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Bozze
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.11.16 21:38:55 -
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Ah...where to start?
I was so happy to get back into the game after a long absence. I was a bit shocked by just how much the Alpha clones are limited but I think I can adjust. In the past I had 3 accounts I paid for so I could run a decent mining operation. I can now play each of these accounts for free. I can't use them like I used to though since my Hulks and Orca are beyond the reach of an Alpha Clone. Still, I can use my smaller ships to play the game and see if I really want to get back into it like I was.
Or not...
I had one character in the game and when I try to login a second account I get a message saying it violates Alpha Clone state to have more than one account running at the same time. So I can't play multiple alpha clones at the same time? They are separate accounts. I am not trying to log in 2 characters from the same account. So why are we limited like this? If there is a good reason I would like to hear it from the Devs. I am sure other players will have their reasons for not wanting this. Particularly the players still subscribing to the game. But I would like to hear the official reason why this decision was made to limit us even more than the Alpha clones themselves. |
Dark Lord Trump
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
190
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Posted - 2016.11.16 21:41:34 -
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Because 9001 ventures and eyes in literally every system, that's why.
I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
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Bozze
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.11.16 21:42:47 -
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thank you for that completely useless reply... |
Norian Rever
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.11.16 21:45:40 -
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I dont know whether it is, or is not, allowed to login more than one alpha account at a time.
But if it is not allowed, I would think its to prevent you creating 100 alpha accounts, logging them in, and mining/killing everything with sheer volume of ships. |
Bozze
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.11.16 21:47:55 -
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but it's ok to do that if you are willing to pay for them right?
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ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2016.11.16 21:49:06 -
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You may only have 1 Alpha account logged in at a time. This is meant to keep the game in balance.
ISD Max Trix
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Jaquete Aivoras
Codex Praedonum Top Belt for Fun
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Posted - 2016.11.16 21:50:05 -
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Imagine this:
A full fleet of cruisers being controlled by one player in PvP low/null sec. (One person alone decides to gate camp a system with his alpha alts.) A full fleet of ventures mining out a whole system for one player. A full fleet of relatively cheap cruisers suicide gank one expensive ship of an enemy in high sec. One player hauls goods and offers themselves protection at the same time with their alt accounts. etc. etc. etc.
There is so many reasons why they limited it to one alpha client at a time. With free to play also comes the possibility for massive abuse of the system, this limit prevents that abuse. |
Norian Rever
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.11.16 21:50:42 -
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Bozze wrote:but it's ok to do that if you are willing to pay for them right?
Yes. |
StonerPhReaK
Best Kept Frozen. LowSechnaya Sholupen
472
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Posted - 2016.11.16 21:52:17 -
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Bozze wrote:but it's ok to do that if you are willing to pay for them right?
Yes.
Signatures wer cooler when we couldn't remove them completely.
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PopeUrban
El Expedicion Flames of Exile
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Posted - 2016.11.16 22:00:34 -
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Bozze wrote:but it's ok to do that if you are willing to pay for them right?
Yes.
Because the fact that those accounts cost money prevents the game from operating under the expectation that literally everyone multiboxes.
If you could multibox alphas, you'd pretty much instantly be in a game where every single player had unlimited access to massize **** you swarms of drones, mining ships, you'd find people not even allowed in corps until they could anchor their own personal logi cruisers for pvp...
It would be an absolute mess.
Paying a sub or PLEX for those accounts means multiboxing has an investment associated with it that prevents it from getting too out of control. |
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Bozze
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.11.16 22:02:19 -
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Jaquete Aivoras wrote:Imagine this:
A full fleet of cruisers being controlled by one player in PvP low/null sec. (One person alone decides to gate camp a system with his alpha alts.) A full fleet of ventures mining out a whole system for one player. A full fleet of relatively cheap cruisers suicide gank one expensive ship of an enemy in high sec. One player hauls goods and offers themselves protection at the same time with their alt accounts. etc. etc. etc.
There is so many reasons why they limited it to one alpha client at a time. With free to play also comes the possibility for massive abuse of the system, this limit prevents that abuse.
Edit: I have also heard that multiboxing on omega accounts will soon be disallowed as well.
Ok...if they stop everyone from playing multiple accounts then I can't complain. The game balance response doesn't fly because players that pay can unbalance the game all they want.
And I would still like to hear it from the Devs though... |
Bozze
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.11.16 22:07:25 -
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PopeUrban wrote:Bozze wrote:but it's ok to do that if you are willing to pay for them right?
Yes. Because the fact that those accounts cost money prevents the game from operating under the expectation that literally everyone multiboxes. If you could multibox alphas, you'd pretty much instantly be in a game where every single player had unlimited access to massize **** you swarms of drones, mining ships, you'd find people not even allowed in corps until they could anchor their own personal logi cruisers for pvp... It would be an absolute mess. Paying a sub or PLEX for those accounts means multiboxing has an investment associated with it that prevents it from getting too out of control.
the most I have ever run was 3 accounts at once. You guys are talking like you think every ftp player is going to run 100 accounts at the same time. Where is the computer that can run 100 EVE clients at once?
I know ftp games attract the griefers and they will use every exploit they can to make the game crap for everyone else. I just think you guys are exaggerating it a bit. |
Radical Posture
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.11.16 22:08:39 -
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Edit: I have also heard that multiboxing on omega accounts will soon be disallowed as well.[/quote]
Then why have I given CCP over 3k USD to build up my empire that is now useless? If you were playing EvE with one account, you were doing it wrong!!
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StonerPhReaK
Best Kept Frozen. LowSechnaya Sholupen
472
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Posted - 2016.11.16 22:13:34 -
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Jaquete Aivoras wrote:
Edit: I have also heard that multiboxing on omega accounts will soon be disallowed as well.
You heard wrong.
Signatures wer cooler when we couldn't remove them completely.
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Bozze
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.11.16 22:15:22 -
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Radical Posture wrote:
Edit: I have also heard that multiboxing on omega accounts will soon be disallowed as well.
Then why have I given CCP over 3k USD to build up my empire that is now useless? If you were playing EvE with one account, you were doing it wrong!! [/quote]
And here is the other side. If you think my question/complaint is bad then let's see what happens when they stop allowing multiboxing. I am not the only person that paid for multiple accounts.
As for alpha clones being eyes everywhere...that is going to happen anyway. You don't have to have them all in at the same time. You can easily just cycle through a list of accounts/alts to keep looking in the areas you are interested in. They may not all be on at the same time but they can still check in systems a few times an hour or more depending how many you have to log in and out. |
Radical Posture
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.11.16 22:23:25 -
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I would think to the very least. If you have one Paid account you can use one Alpha account with it. On a separate computer. One Launcher per box. |
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.11.16 22:35:10 -
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Bozze wrote:but it's ok to do that if you are willing to pay for them right?
Yes, because like it or not, money is a natural barrier to entry which prevents 9001 ventures and eyes in every system.
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u3pog
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.11.16 22:41:50 -
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You should be thankful you have access to the game itself for free, let alone fly ships, go anywhere and do stuff...
I saw in one of the local chats today "My god, I am so limited, I cannot fly any ship"... Reminds me of the phrase "Throw em a bone and they want a steak." Well, you gotta pay for the steak.
I for one am thankful, even as Omega, because CCP gave chance to many people who couldn't afford the game before. |
Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.11.16 22:50:42 -
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Bozze wrote:So why are we limited like this? If there is a good reason I would like to hear it from the Devs. From the devs directly:
https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/clone-states-post-csm-summit-roundup/
Quote:Simultaneous Logon for Alphas:
The CSMGÇÖs number one focus for Clone States matched the biggest concern from general player feedback: simultaneous Alpha clone logon must be limited. We agree and so we are planning to implement restrictions that keep any Alpha account from passing character select if another EVE client is already active. This will be true even if the other client is Omega. Bypassing these restrictions will also be a breach of the EULA and may lead to penalties and punishments and all that nasty stuff that our security team does if they catch you being bad.
There are two reasons to make this kind of restriction. The first and most obvious reason is the potential for abuse and exploitation. The second, which the CSM focused on heavily, is that we donGÇÖt want to create a situation where normal players feel obligated to run Alpha alts. It would be unfortunate if every player has to choose between running an alt (which isnGÇÖt necessarily fun) or feeling disadvantaged against players who do. WeGÇÖve been deliberately trying to remove this kind of system (see off grid links) and certainly donGÇÖt want to add a giant new version of it with Clone States.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2005
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Posted - 2016.11.16 22:57:06 -
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Bozze wrote:And here is the other side. If you think my question/complaint is bad then let's see what happens when they stop allowing multiboxing. I am not the only person that paid for multiple accounts.
As for alpha clones being eyes everywhere...that is going to happen anyway. You don't have to have them all in at the same time. You can easily just cycle through a list of accounts/alts to keep looking in the areas you are interested in. They may not all be on at the same time but they can still check in systems a few times an hour or more depending how many you have to log in and out. Being anywhere in a matter of a few hours really isn't too far off of current capabilities with a single character. Especially when those characters are limited and not able to be used alongside an Omega without losing those eyes on site for however long it takes to get the Omega online and where you need.
Being constantly everywhere is something else entirely.
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Bozze
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.11.16 22:57:12 -
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See...
I knew everyone was going to have an opinion on this. It's why in my original post I stated I wanted to hear from the Devs. You all reply like yours is THE answer but unless you work for CCP then you are just giving your opinion. Not the answer.
@u3pog: you say I should be thankful I have free access. If you want to go that route then you get to blame CCP for me playing for free and not me. They are the ones that made it FTP.
"9001 ventures and eyes in every system." what is this a slogan? Thats 2 people that said the exact same thing. Like I said before...the eyes are going to be in every system anyway...maybe not 9001 all on at once but they can do it without multiboxing.
@Radical Posture: One Launcher per box can be done now. Multiboxing is running multiple clients on the same computer. Running 1 client per computer is allowed. |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.11.16 23:04:58 -
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Bozze wrote:I knew everyone was going to have an opinion on this. It's why in my original post I stated I wanted to hear from the Devs. You all reply like yours is THE answer but unless you work for CCP then you are just giving your opinion. Not the answer. Entirely your fault. :)
If you post it on the forums, you will have to make do with us. If you want an official answer, you'll likely have to write a ticket and wait in line like everyone else.
Edit: Although, chances are Falcon will stop by and pretty much say "for reasons", or "for balance reasons" if he is in a good mood and you are lucky. |
Dark Lord Trump
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2016.11.16 23:13:04 -
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Bozze wrote:See...
I knew everyone was going to have an opinion on this. It's why in my original post I stated I wanted to hear from the Devs. You all reply like yours is THE answer but unless you work for CCP then you are just giving your opinion. Not the answer.
@u3pog: you say I should be thankful I have free access. If you want to go that route then you get to blame CCP for me playing for free and not me. They are the ones that made it FTP.
"9001 ventures and eyes in every system." what is this a slogan? Thats 2 people that said the exact same thing. Like I said before...the eyes are going to be in every system anyway...maybe not 9001 all on at once but they can do it without multiboxing.
@Radical Posture: One Launcher per box can be done now. Multiboxing is running multiple clients on the same computer. Running 1 client per computer is allowed. 1. You can't multibox 9001 ventures with alpha clones. It's also entirely useless to get intel on neighboring systems by logging your main off. Limiting multiboxing keeps me from just alt-tabbing over, which will make it enough of a PITA that people won't want to do it. 2. You were literally linked a portion of the dev blog. Written by the devs. There you go.
I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
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Bozze
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.11.16 23:22:44 -
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@Dark Lord Trump: I was already replying when that was posted so I missed it...sorry. Congrats on the election too.
@Eli Stan: thank you for that link. I appreciate it.
quoting part of it:
" WeGÇÖve been deliberately trying to remove this kind of system (see off grid links) and certainly donGÇÖt want to add a giant new version of it with Clone States."
sounds like they are trying to remove multiboxing even for paying players. Or I am just reading it wrong.
Anyway...as much fun as this has been I am going back into the game and consolidating my holdings...see you there. |
Lady Ayeipsia
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.11.16 23:24:29 -
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It's not one person manning 9000 ventures that is the problem. Think of the following 2 scenarios...
A gank fleet with 10 pilots: now grant those pilots each unlimited alpha accounts. They could all easily multiple 3 catalyst clients. You now face a gank fleet of 30 ships. That is a tad unbalancing. Yes, in theory, those 10 could pay for 3 accounts. Still over powered but 450$ in CCP's pocket to continue developing the game is a trade off I am willing to accept.
Now scale this scenario up, not for ganking but a nul sec battle. 500 in a defense fleet of a large alliance capital system. They all log in an extra 2 accounts. The system jumps to 1500 and TDI would kick in. It would be nearly impossible for any group to kill a citadel given the current tdi mechanics. Yes again all 500 could pay 45$ a month but that becomes a tad crazy to expect of people.
Limiting alphas to one log in basically is a power check to prevent meta abuse of the game on a grand scale. |
Radical Posture
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.11.16 23:33:13 -
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I just find it ironic that it took me almost 10 years and 3k USD to actually play EvE for free. And then when I did, You made it Free to Play and took the sand out of my sandbox.
I mean what's next, CCP comes out and says they are The Conference Elite, and CCP Fozzie is James315? |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2625
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Posted - 2016.11.16 23:43:27 -
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Bozze wrote:
I knew everyone was going to have an opinion on this. It's why in my original post I stated I wanted to hear from the Devs.
This type of entitlement is obnoxious enough when it's coming from paying customers. Can't imagine having to put up with this **** from non-paying customers. Someone ought to send the devs a case of beer.
If you want to hear from the devs, drag your lazy ass up to the search box and locate any of the numerous dev posts on the subject.
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Bozze
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.11.17 01:12:32 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:It's not one person manning 9000 ventures that is the problem. Think of the following 2 scenarios...
A gank fleet with 10 pilots: now grant those pilots each unlimited alpha accounts. They could all easily multiple 3 catalyst clients. You now face a gank fleet of 30 ships. That is a tad unbalancing. Yes, in theory, those 10 could pay for 3 accounts. Still over powered but 450$ in CCP's pocket to continue developing the game is a trade off I am willing to accept.
Now scale this scenario up, not for ganking but a nul sec battle. 500 in a defense fleet of a large alliance capital system. They all log in an extra 2 accounts. The system jumps to 1500 and TDI would kick in. It would be nearly impossible for any group to kill a citadel given the current tdi mechanics. Yes again all 500 could pay 45$ a month but that becomes a tad crazy to expect of people.
Limiting alphas to one log in basically is a power check to prevent meta abuse of the game on a grand scale.
I paid $45 a month for years. Unfortunately I am just one of those people that doesn't abuse the system. I understand they want to keep it fair. I was just hoping to get my other account in to fly an Iteron and haul my ore back to the station. Not trying to take over the cluster or anything. I doubt I would put another Corp out of business either if I just get to use a Venture to mine the ore. Alphas can't even use mining drones.
Anyway...back to the game |
Mark Marconi
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.11.17 01:29:50 -
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Actually alphas limited to one is fine, as if you for example made them unlimited the power in the game would still be down to those who had the most cash in RL. Bigger, faster more powerful computers and more of them means those with cash are more powerful.
Same goes for the omegas except CCP is able to actually pay for their staff and the upkeep of the game at the same time.
At the end of the day, the paying customers are the ones paying for the game, so being we live in capitalist societies, yes those forking out the cash should see a real benefit over those who don't. |
Princess Adhara
University of Caille Gallente Federation
69
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Posted - 2016.11.17 02:03:58 -
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You don't know entitlement until you make a game go f2p. |
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