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Magnus Orly
Crucial Contribution
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Posted - 2016.11.18 19:07:51 -
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Just throwing this out there :-P
Maybe it could cost like 1/3:rd to half the Omega price but give greater access...
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Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2016.11.18 19:16:04 -
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Sure.
They just released the whole Alpha/Omega thing, like, 3 days ago, so the options are limited for now.
But nothing's stopping them from adding Beta in the future.
Make an official suggestion in the Ideas and Suggestions forum. CCP keeps track of ideas there, and often implements them; if you just post in this General Discussion forum, your idea will get drowned by all the general chatter that happens here. |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1064
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Posted - 2016.11.18 19:36:57 -
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Well, there's room for 22 more clone states between Alpha and Omega. Although, I think once we get a Sigma Clone State it may get a little confusing. |
Cara Forelli
Better Off Red Unspoken Alliance.
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Posted - 2016.11.18 19:40:10 -
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Memphis Baas wrote: CCP keeps track of ideas there, and often implements them lol
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Sol epoch
HELVEGEN Jetpack Viking
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Posted - 2016.11.18 19:41:06 -
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Magnus Orly wrote:Just throwing this out there :-P
Maybe it could cost like 1/3:rd to half the Omega price but give greater access...
Why?
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Matthias Ancaladron
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.11.18 20:07:52 -
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Weren't they toying around with the idea of a hardcore permandeath clone state? That's gotta be a gamma clone |
Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.11.18 21:33:31 -
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Matthias Ancaladron wrote:Weren't they toying around with the idea of a hardcore permandeath clone state? That's gotta be a gamma clone What gameplay reason would there be to play one? Faster skill training?
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Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.11.18 21:52:39 -
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Shallanna Yassavi wrote:What gameplay reason would there be to play one? Faster skill training? That was the idea, yes. Live fast, die permanently. |
Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY Domestic Disturbance
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Posted - 2016.11.18 23:10:57 -
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Magnus Orly wrote:Just throwing this out there :-P
Maybe it could cost like 1/3:rd to half the Omega price but give greater access...
What about Gamma clones? Pay 5 cents a month per skill you want to go beyond the Alpha clone restriction.
Or Epsilon clones. Pay 5 dollars a month and be able to choose between 30 skills beyond the alpha clone restriction that you would like to use. |
Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
581
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Posted - 2016.11.18 23:13:08 -
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Magnus Orly wrote:Just throwing this out there :-P
Maybe it could cost like 1/3:rd to half the Omega price but give greater access...
You are too early. Beta clones will come in the next big expansion in 2017. Gamma clones will follow in 2018 et cetera.
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Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2016.11.18 23:17:51 -
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Shhh.
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PopeUrban
El Expedicion Flames of Exile
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Posted - 2016.11.18 23:25:31 -
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Matthias Ancaladron wrote:Weren't they toying around with the idea of a hardcore permandeath clone state? That's gotta be a gamma clone
Ooh, I remember this one!
I thought it was a pretty fantastic idea too. Something like stupidly fast training and potentially having more limited skill selection to prevent it from being used in station sitting roles. |
Zappity
Horde Vanguard. Pandemic Horde
3061
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Posted - 2016.11.18 23:37:53 -
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Pretty much inevitable at this stage.
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Gogela
Heh...
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Posted - 2016.11.18 23:58:00 -
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PopeUrban wrote:Matthias Ancaladron wrote:Weren't they toying around with the idea of a hardcore permandeath clone state? That's gotta be a gamma clone Ooh, I remember this one! I thought it was a pretty fantastic idea too. Something like stupidly fast training and potentially having more limited skill selection to prevent it from being used in station sitting roles. I think that the players taking advantage of this would be people with super long subs who would simply never log in and just accrue crazy SP. Alternatively, it could just be used to farm skill injectors. Probably not a great idea. It might be interesting though to give the so-called beta clones all of the Omega traits but with the risk of perma-death for 1/2 the price of a regular sub. That would make for an interesting risk vs reward dynamic.
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PopeUrban
El Expedicion Flames of Exile
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Posted - 2016.11.19 00:58:27 -
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Gogela wrote:PopeUrban wrote:Matthias Ancaladron wrote:Weren't they toying around with the idea of a hardcore permandeath clone state? That's gotta be a gamma clone Ooh, I remember this one! I thought it was a pretty fantastic idea too. Something like stupidly fast training and potentially having more limited skill selection to prevent it from being used in station sitting roles. I think that the players taking advantage of this would be people with super long subs who would simply never log in and just accrue crazy SP. Alternatively, it could just be used to farm skill injectors. Probably not a great idea. It might be interesting though to give the so-called beta clones all of the Omega traits but with the risk of perma-death for 1/2 the price of a regular sub. That would make for an interesting risk vs reward dynamic.
pretty easy to just make such a clone unable to use extractors "due to experimental and unstable implant technology" since tracking clone states to determine use of items is part of the game now.
Plot twist: Let them avoid the diminishing returns from injectors as well.
And even if some longtime sub station sits to farm SP for a perfect super pilot on one of these I don't see the problem. He's still paying a substantial risk of permadeath for getting that super pilot up and running faster, but even at double training speed that's still a LONG time training that can be wiped out in a single podkill. As long as people can't use them to make invincible alts (e.g. trade alts, industry alts) and the skills like is limited to "stuff that is useful for flying spaceships" I don't see a problem with it.
Heck, kick it up a notch and make bounties on such clones pay out the full amount, since collecting the bounty is a permanent death, and publicly display the clone state of such clones to encourage more ganking. You could even make such cloning technology illegal so they get chased down by faction navies wherever they go in empire. I'd roll one. Sounds exciting. |
David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn End of Life
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Posted - 2016.11.19 03:32:24 -
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it could easily be fixed
allow alpha clones upto t2 medium guns and tank mods
OR
allow alpha clones cross train at current skill restriction levels but for all races
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Fatima Foont
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Posted - 2016.11.19 05:15:31 -
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How about finding a way to make 15 bucks a month? |
Magnus Orly
Crucial Contribution
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Posted - 2016.11.19 05:23:27 -
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Fatima Foont wrote:How about finding a way to make 15 bucks a month?
NEVER!
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Mightylink
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.11.19 09:17:45 -
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I like the idea of a "Veteran" clone, for people who already subscribed more then a year, they should get more benifits for their alpha clones then new alpha clones get, maby they played a lot when their teenagers but don't have time to subscribe anymore, it would be nice if they could still do a lot of passive stuff like all manufacturing and trading skills to level 5. |
Magnus Orly
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Posted - 2016.11.19 11:58:57 -
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Actually didn't SPECIFICALLY have this in mind as a "vetarans" clone but I guess that is how it could be used.
My initial thoughts where just you are allowed a bit more of everything compared to the alpha clone...but don't pay full subscription....genius huh?
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ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2016.11.19 15:32:11 -
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Moved to Player Feature and Ideas.
ISD Max Trix
Lieutenant
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Interstellar Services Department
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ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2016.11.20 02:46:38 -
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Sorry this thread should not have been locked.
ISD Max Trix
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elitatwo
Eve Minions O.U.Z.O. Alliance
1477
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Posted - 2016.11.20 11:05:08 -
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ISD Max Trix wrote:Sorry this thread should not have been locked.
Actually, we wouldn't mind at all if you would.
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elitatwo
Eve Minions O.U.Z.O. Alliance
1477
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Posted - 2016.11.20 11:06:27 -
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David Grogan wrote:it could easily be fixed
allow alpha clones upto t2 medium guns and tank mods OR allow alpha clones cross train at current skill restriction levels but for all races
NO!
Or you could just pay 25000 per month like everyone else does.
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Tabyll Altol
Breaking.Bad Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2016.11.21 12:38:28 -
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Magnus Orly wrote:Just throwing this out there :-P
Maybe it could cost like 1/3:rd to half the Omega price but give greater access...
Get to know the game with an Alpha then go Omega if you like it (or not if not).
No more clone states.
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Voxinian
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Posted - 2016.11.21 12:58:43 -
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A cheaper clone without limitations other than being locked out of skilltraining would be nice. |
Magnus Orly
Crucial Contribution
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Posted - 2016.11.22 01:30:23 -
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I don't know why many of you are going bonkus because I am asking for just one more clone state and you think that I am asking for hundreds of clone states...
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2016.11.22 03:51:27 -
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Magnus Orly wrote:I don't know why many of you are going bonkus because I am asking for just one more clone state and you think that I am asking for hundreds of clone states... There's 24 letters in the Greek alphabet.
This one request if implemented, would just lead to someone else asking for a Gamma clone, then a delta, epsilon, etc., etc.
As soon as a line is drawn somewhere, someone will want the line moved somewhere else, or a way to remove the line all together.
We are only a week into the Alpha idea. Way too early to be suggesting other clone states in my opinion.
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Scuzzy Logic
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
159
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Posted - 2016.11.22 18:15:02 -
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IMHO a formerly Omega clone that expires should be a Beta Clone and not an alpha one.
Same as alpha, but with the following: Cross-race skills ramain active. (To the extent of alpha clones) |
Deckel
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
12
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Posted - 2016.11.22 18:27:16 -
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While having other clone states may have some merit, just saying "a cheaper subscription that gives a bit more access than alpha clones" doesn't really promote what you are trying to accomplish.
How will you expand a so called 'Beta' clone's access, and still have it more restrictive than Omega? -Access to all races ship types up to cruiser? -Access to all ships within the race up to Battleship? or even Capitals? -Allow training of advanced guns and ships? -Full access but slower training? -Full access but zero training?
And how will you achieve paying less when subscription is already so tightly tied to the PLEX? -Introduce a new payment model? -Allow the PLEX to extend game time by 2-3X the amount? -How could a player make a transition between the two or three different states?
The only real suggestion made so far towards towards an actual idea of what could be different about them was the Hard Core mode that has insane training speed that was brought up. And while It's an intriguing idea, it would surly limit their playstyle and require so many in game restrictions around it that I think becomes unattainable in that form. As well, you don't want pilots to up and quit as soon as their character dies. A hard core mode in Eve I think would need to have middle to high preset skills, mainly on combat, and near zero training needs and ability, so that when you die you don't just quit, but instead just role a new character.
While alternative clone states may be doable, I think there should be no middle ground for a subscription, and I think any new clone state would therefore need a duplicate between the pay and no-pay access models. Using "Hard Core Mode" as an example, you would need a subscription Hard Core Mode and a Free to Play Hard Core Mode, so that any single player created and locked into the mode on your account can transition between the two. |
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Viktor Archangel
Preeminence It Burns When I'm PvPing
3
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Posted - 2016.11.23 14:50:40 -
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Implying we need even more Betas in the game, if you know what I'm saying |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2016.11.23 17:51:28 -
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OK, not to sound like a rich elitist snob, BUT the sub is only 15USD / month. It's not that much. Do you know what is a lot less than 15USD per month? I'll tell you. It's the number of players not willing to pay 15USD / month for full functionality that would be willing to pay 10USD / month for a beta clone that is limited, but not as limited as an alpha clone.
Seriously you ninnies - cutthisshitout. This idea doesn't even make sense in any practical way.
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Magnus Orly
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Posted - 2016.11.24 02:45:50 -
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I am not a game developer or anything but ok, due to popular request I'll take a stab at it.
So...5 euro per month clone would give you (for example):
- Up to battleships including ALL skills for different fittings - You can fly ships from all races - Full trading - Full P.I. - Full scanning - Full science stuff - Full engineering stuff - Up to mining barge in industry including all fitting skills - etc....
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Magnus Orly
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Posted - 2016.11.28 03:46:18 -
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Anyone who think the clone states are "easy" as they are now is completely fooling himself. In fact just the alpha clones is like 4 clones...cause they all have different skillsets. All too advanced already if you asked me.
Anyway...I am asking for only 1 more clone. That shouldn't add much to the complexity.
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Tabyll Altol
Breaking.Bad Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2016.11.28 10:54:34 -
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Still no
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Magnus Orly
Crucial Contribution
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Posted - 2016.11.28 12:42:49 -
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Not sure how it would "hurt" you if such a clone existed...
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elitatwo
Eve Minions O.U.Z.O. Alliance
1509
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Posted - 2016.11.28 13:35:59 -
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Magnus Orly wrote:Not sure how it would "hurt" you if such a clone existed...
Let me put this in binary. Yes means you pay, no means HTFU or deal with it, no candy, no rainbows and no unicorns.
No means no and is not a maybe quantum state.
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Josh Shadowblade
Forschung und Entwicklung. Terran Confederation.
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Posted - 2016.11.28 14:09:56 -
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I would suggest a Beta-Clone for, lets say 5 ..Gé¼? per month, without quantity-discount, where you can get up to BattleCruiser (maybe the noctis aswell) and some more Tech, for example to be a littlebit more usefull in large wars, and get the battle-cruiser well-equipped.
and a Gamma-Clone for 10Gé¼, with the same rulse, but who can go up to battleships and miningbarges, but now of all races. so you can train across the entire skill-tree of all races to the same level.
For both clones the penaltys are removed for training skills, but the skills you can put in a line can't take more time than 3 days for the beta and 10 days for the Gamma. (some limitations should be there to make ppl wan't the omega in the end). Oh, and the abylity to log-in multiple "payed" chars should be possible even with the beta-clones, just saying. Play 4 chars with beta is stil more worth, than one with omega, as the omegas get quantity-discounts.
Both Clones are made to allow ppl who can't afford the full price (like me) to pay at least something per month.
just my 20 Cent to the idea. I really hope something like this will come up asa christmas-present ... |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers EVEolution.
555
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Posted - 2016.11.29 18:31:20 -
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when did a sub become something you can Haggle for?
pay the 15 euros or be happy with your alpha.
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Josh Shadowblade
Forschung und Entwicklung. Terran Confederation.
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Posted - 2016.11.30 13:08:54 -
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xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:when did a sub become something you can Haggle for?
pay the 15 euros or be happy with your alpha.
Or i do it may way and make a clever suggestion while trying to ingore stupid comments. CCP made this discussion possible with their invention of the alpha-clone, so why not expanding the idea? CCP would benefit from it as well as the eve-community. Nothing bad about it. ;) |
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Magnus Orly
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Posted - 2016.12.13 13:23:46 -
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xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:when did a sub become something you can Haggle for?
pay the 15 euros or be happy with your alpha.
Right about now I guess....3 months for the cost of 2... (current discount).
It is good CCP....but I want my beta clone :-P
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Magnus Orly
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Posted - 2017.01.04 03:19:51 -
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We need this mode ASAP! Nobody really cares about this game (sorry for EVE is dying but it is the truth).
More accounts does not equal more players CCP....
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Rivr Luzade
Kenshin. DARKNESS.
2876
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Posted - 2017.01.04 09:55:41 -
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More players does not equal to a better game, as your account demonstrates.
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Magnus Orly
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Posted - 2017.01.04 10:09:51 -
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Well as it is now you dont really have a game and no-one really cares about it anyway. I know...I tried to find players who would like to try EVE F2P mode....zero interest. Any players are better then 0 players and I am really not that bad...I recent that...
So...the only solution would be to flirt with the semi-hardcore/semi-returning players like me who are after the PvE and co-op part of EVE more.
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Geronimo McVain
EVE University Ivy League
284
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Posted - 2017.01.04 10:18:21 -
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Magnus Orly wrote:Well as it is now you dont really have a game and no-one really cares about it anyway. I know...I tried to find players who would like to try EVE F2P mode....zero interest. Any players are better then 0 players and I am really not that bad...I recent that...
So...the only solution would be to flirt with the semi-hardcore/semi-returning players like me who are after the PvE and co-op part of EVE more. So you can tell me how a game like Eve should make money with people that you have to carry to Eve and that are not willing to pay?
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Magnus Orly
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Posted - 2017.01.04 10:23:21 -
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Geronimo McVain wrote: So you can tell me how a game like Eve should make money with people that you have to carry to Eve and that are not willing to pay?
Au countreur!
They ARE willing to pay or at least I am...but only about 1/3 of current monthly price.
And for me its not mainly about for EVE to "make money"...but to exist in any way,shape or form...
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Rivr Luzade
Kenshin. DARKNESS.
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Posted - 2017.01.04 10:25:21 -
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The launcher shows 23k characters online, that's more than enough people to interact with, and a lot more than 0.
You may want to revisit your choice then. EVE is not meant for all these casual facebook game morons out there. The only thing they will do to EVE is to contribute to the corrosion of EVE into something that is not EVE.
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Magnus Orly
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Posted - 2017.01.04 10:31:26 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:The launcher shows 23k characters online......
You didnt really read what I wrote.
Amount of characters is NOT equal to amount of players. Definately not in EVE at least. Most are multiboxing and then some of thoose that are left are semi-afk...making the game completely dead almost.
If you ever tried to recruit for a corporation the last couple of years you would also know something about the amount of "new blood" (that doesn't exist).
Any character that posts that he is looking for a corp is immedietly spammed by 10-30 suggestions for a corp to join....50% of theese also seem to be awoxers...further telling information about the state of the game...
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Rivr Luzade
Kenshin. DARKNESS.
2876
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Posted - 2017.01.04 10:41:47 -
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Magnus Orly wrote:Amount of characters is NOT equal to amount of players. Definately not in EVE at least. Most are multiboxing and then some of thoose that are left are semi-afk...making the game completely dead almost. It is to a very large degree. According to official CCP numbers, there are not nearly as many multiboxers as you think there are.
That aside, I agree that things like the recruitment mechanics, among many things, need change. However, the point of EVE is to ruin someone elses day and having fun at it.
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
2401
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Posted - 2017.01.04 15:28:39 -
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Magnus Orly wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:The launcher shows 23k characters online...... You didnt really read what I wrote. Amount of characters is NOT equal to amount of players. Definately not in EVE at least. Most are multiboxing and then some of thoose that are left are semi-afk...making the game completely dead almost. If you ever tried to recruit for a corporation the last couple of years you would also know something about the amount of "new blood" (that doesn't exist). Any character that posts that he is looking for a corp is immedietly spammed by 10-30 suggestions for a corp to join....50% of theese also seem to be awoxers...further telling information about the state of the game...
I'll bottom line this for you. Eve will truly die when no one pays for it. The current subscription is 15USD (or there abouts). Instead of finding ways to get more folks on the server for less (think of it as putting Eve closer to death) try to spend your time and effort figuring out how to make the game better so that more folks want to play it (and actually pay to keep it online). That's the real solution.
Alpha clones - introductory clone, but so limited you'll either join the paying crowd or move on to other entertainment. Omega clones - the actually backbone of eve (this is where folks pay to keep the lights on)
Veterans clones - I get to pay for free because I paid a sub sometime in the past.... FU - the sub is to play the game, it isn't to acquire skills and then phone it in at some point down the road.
The other bottom line. When you look at value for the dollar (or whatever your hard earned currency is called) - Eve is a pretty good deal. 15 USD gets you and entire month of epic space hero shenanigans. I can't even think of anything that I can do for a whole month for 15 USD as far as entertainment. Even a trip to the movies costs more and only lasts 2 hours. A full day of paintball is over 100 USD. If you really can't see the value in 15 USD per month - don't play, you'll just be a crankybitch the whole time you're playing and I don't want to deal with you (in game, on comms or in the forums).
That brings up another point - a question actually. Can alpha clones post on the forums? I hope not in all sections. Especially in this section. Features and ideas should be for paying customers ONLY. If an alpha has a great idea, put it in 'New Citizens Q & A'. If that idea is good enough one of the underpaid / overworked ISD humps can move it here. It seems reasonable that if you want your ideas to change the game to be heard - you should be paying to keep the game going. CCP can't regulate reddit, but it sure can keep non paying accounts from spamming up this section with better ideas on how to improve game play for non paying accounts. |
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers EVEolution.
571
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Posted - 2017.01.04 22:09:42 -
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Josh Shadowblade wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:when did a sub become something you can Haggle for?
pay the 15 euros or be happy with your alpha.
Or i do it my way and make a clever suggestion while trying to ingore stupid comments. CCP made this discussion possible with their invention of the alpha-clone, so why not expanding the idea? CCP would benefit from it as well as the eve-community. Nothing bad about it. ;)
wasn't a clever suggestion at all and i guess you're failing to ignore what you see as stupid comments. CCP gave the alpha clone state as a stepping stone to a full sub, it's working as intended so no need for silly inbetween clone states as an upgrading alpha already benifits CCP.
nope, nothing bad about the eve community expanding at all, i don't see where you got the idea anyone in the community would believe for a second that new players would ever be a bad thing.
next there will be a call for a clone state beyond omega
train twice as fast as an omega with the ability to train all 3 toons on your account only 40 euros a month.
oh wait,,,,,, what have i done,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Magnus Orly
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Posted - 2017.03.03 06:13:56 -
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Bumpy Johnson!
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Pleasure Hub Node-514
Pleasure Hub Hotline
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Posted - 2017.03.03 07:45:46 -
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What other perks and restrictions come with use of the beta capsule?
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Tabyll Altol
Vision Inc Hole Control
183
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Posted - 2017.03.03 08:33:41 -
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Magnus Orly wrote:Just throwing this out there :-P
Maybe it could cost like 1/3:rd to half the Omega price but give greater access...
No.
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Dior Ambraelle
University of Caille Gallente Federation
46
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Posted - 2017.03.03 08:37:34 -
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Scuzzy Logic wrote:IMHO a formerly Omega clone that expires should be a Beta Clone and not an alpha one.
Same as alpha, but with the following: Cross-race skills ramain active. (To the extent of alpha clones) This is the only way it could work. Beta shouldn't be an upgrade but a downgrade. Also, if you try omega once, you can probably keep it if you are good at making money. I heard that returning players, who had to stop because of money, but now as F2P possible would like to continue, often find themselves locked away from all of their stuff. Not just because the size limits, but also because they liked an other faction more than their own. Faction didn't matter before, this is an actually huge change the alpha clones introduced. Naturally pirate faction ships should be restricted to omega clones only, but it's quite easy to implement: any ship that requires more than one faction skill is limited to omega.
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Wolfgang Jannesen
The Evesploratory Society
84
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Posted - 2017.03.03 13:41:32 -
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Beta clones are totally unnecessary, what are you saving by adding a third clone state? Because it seems like you're complicating omega status for no reason |
Matthias Ancaladron
Wrath of Angels Solitaire.
159
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Posted - 2017.03.03 19:00:19 -
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Btw what would the these clones cost monthly? 100m? |
Ajem Hinken
Quaice Industries
37
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Posted - 2017.03.04 14:37:07 -
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Huh, it'd be an interesting idea - perhaps a clone that can train all skills at double speed, like an Omega, but that clone loses some of its non-Alpha skills when it dies. Perhaps devalue PLEXes and just require 2 to go full Omega? I.E. Alpha buys cheaper PLEX. They use the PLEX, and get the new state. If they used another, they'd get to choose: Be Omega for the remainder of the duration of the first PLEX, or extend your duration as the new clone state. Then if they used another after taking the earlier choice, they'd just extend their Omega by a month. (Doesn't work on subbed characters, just characters PLEX'd. That way ppl couldn't exploit and get easy Omega for ~.6x price.) |
Van Doe
30
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Posted - 2017.03.05 13:42:54 -
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Magnus Orly wrote:Just throwing this out there :-P
Maybe it could cost like 1/3:rd to half the Omega price but give greater access...
This post convinced me the alpha omega crap needs to go. And it needs to go fast.
#makeevepaytoplayagain.
Alpha's I fuging hate you. You have no right to to make any suggestions.
I would even recommend alphas should not be able to post in this forum. No tech support from ccp no support at all not even from gms if they lose all there **** on a bug.
I'm not trolling, I create content for everyone to enjoy.
afk cloaky in a system near you while posting in this forum.
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Ajem Hinken
Quaice Industries
37
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Posted - 2017.03.06 02:57:19 -
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Van Doe wrote:Magnus Orly wrote:Just throwing this out there :-P
Maybe it could cost like 1/3:rd to half the Omega price but give greater access...
This post convinced me the alpha omega crap needs to go. And it needs to go fast. #makeevepaytoplayagain. Alpha's I fuging hate you. You have no right to to make any suggestions. I would even recommend alphas should not be able to post in this forum. No tech support from ccp no support at all not even from gms if they lose all there **** on a bug. Against popular belief, some Alpha's have brains.
That said, some Omega's do not. |
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Magnus Orly
Crucial Contribution
44
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Posted - 2017.03.14 23:50:35 -
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Actually....I just had a stroke of brilliance....they should just shave of half the price (or close to) of the omega clone
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
6080
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Posted - 2017.03.15 00:21:01 -
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I see you majored in finance...
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers EVEolution.
589
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Posted - 2017.03.16 08:55:00 -
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I was wondering if your corp could supply me with ore/pi/ships and modules for half price please
using the same reasoning you do i can't see why you guys can't supply me with the goods i seek for half their value. you don't sell that much, not very many return to buy more from you so i was thinking why not just sell it all off at half the price to me.
has the penny dropped yet? |
Maldiro Selkurk
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
598
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Posted - 2017.03.17 00:41:15 -
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Fatima Foont wrote:How about finding a way to make 15 bucks a month?
Selling my fat ass 50 yr old body only nets me 2 bucks a month and ive got a 'good corner' with a perfect nearby alley.
Thats why !
Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
3047
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Posted - 2017.03.19 07:57:44 -
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I think alphas get access to too much.
Here's an idea...
Alpha Clones: * remove science and industry options * disallow all faction and tech 2 stuff * no industrials * no Gnosis * reduced ISK payout on project discovery
Beta Clones: * industrials of any race * frigates of any race * cruisers of any race * Gnosis battlecruiser * faction modules and ammo * very basic industry and science * very basic PI * full payout on project discovery * $1/month
Gamma Clones: * mining barges * combat battlecruisers * tech 2 frigates and destroyers * tech 2 and deadspace modules * navy and pirate frigates * navy cruisers * moderate science, industry, and PI * $5/month
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Lillith Sakata
Nobody in Local Of Sound Mind
48
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Posted - 2017.03.20 02:52:25 -
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Honestly I'd say just keep it the way it is. Alpha and Omega clones are fine. If anything I'd say level the playing field a bit for Alphas (Gallente OP compared to others, and Amarr are almost trash). If it wasn't for cloaky eyes accounts I'd say give Alpha's cloaking... but I know it'd just be abused like crazy.
$15 bucks is one of the most reasonable game fees you can get these days. Most games go the microtransaction/twink route, or they end up with crazy high prices for subs. EvE has sat right in the affordable and valuable area for years now, which is what keeps me coming back to it. |
Bjorn Tyrson
EVE University Ivy League
334
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Posted - 2017.03.20 03:07:18 -
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Lillith Sakata wrote:Honestly I'd say just keep it the way it is. Alpha and Omega clones are fine. If anything I'd say level the playing field a bit for Alphas (Gallente OP compared to others, and Amarr are almost trash). If it wasn't for cloaky eyes accounts I'd say give Alpha's cloaking... but I know it'd just be abused like crazy.
$15 bucks is one of the most reasonable game fees you can get these days. Most games go the microtransaction/twink route, or they end up with crazy high prices for subs. EvE has sat right in the affordable and valuable area for years now, which is what keeps me coming back to it.
Exactly. That's 50 cents a day You can't even feed a starving kid in Africa for that little |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
3047
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Posted - 2017.03.20 07:32:20 -
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Lillith Sakata wrote:$15 bucks is one of the most reasonable game fees you can get these days. Most games go the microtransaction/twink route, or they end up with crazy high prices for subs. EvE has sat right in the affordable and valuable area for years now, which is what keeps me coming back to it. What games are you playing? $15 per month is the top rate, a handful of subscription-based games charge that but there's a greater number of triple-A MMOs that are free to play, running entirely on microtransactions. I've never seen any game more expensive than EVE Online, save for pay-to-win games.
FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."
Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers EVEolution.
590
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Posted - 2017.03.20 08:55:31 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Lillith Sakata wrote:$15 bucks is one of the most reasonable game fees you can get these days. Most games go the microtransaction/twink route, or they end up with crazy high prices for subs. EvE has sat right in the affordable and valuable area for years now, which is what keeps me coming back to it. What games are you playing? $15 per month is the top rate, a handful of subscription-based games charge that but there's a greater number of triple-A MMOs that are free to play, running entirely on microtransactions. I've never seen any game more expensive than EVE Online, save for pay-to-win games.
The price of EVE in the 11 years i've played has never gone up, if you can't afford 15 bucks it's time to stop playing video games and get your shite sorted. 15 bucks is nothing, i'll blow that on lunch today.
only 50 cent a day and it's an issue only spells one thing, you're broke and need to get off games and get things in order.
I'm not saying you personally, i'm saying anyone who can't afford 50 cent a day.
I really don't see a need for anything beyond the alpha clone, it's not even confirmed by CCP that they worked as they expected.
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elitatwo
Dicker Quick and Hyde Defense Attorneys O.U.Z.O. Alliance
1660
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Posted - 2017.03.20 11:10:02 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Lillith Sakata wrote:$15 bucks is one of the most reasonable game fees you can get these days. Most games go the microtransaction/twink route, or they end up with crazy high prices for subs. EvE has sat right in the affordable and valuable area for years now, which is what keeps me coming back to it. What games are you playing? $15 per month is the top rate, a handful of subscription-based games charge that but there's a greater number of triple-A MMOs that are free to play, running entirely on microtransactions. I've never seen any game more expensive than EVE Online, save for pay-to-win games.
My apologize for bringing up the unspeakable name but for games like WOW (there, I said it), you have to buy the expansion and the monthly fee to be able to not only connect to one but 923840274016545685485 different servers.
alphas only deserve level 1 at most and may not ever use lobotomy sticks.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
3047
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Posted - 2017.03.21 02:35:58 -
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elitatwo wrote:My apologize for bringing up the unspeakable name but for games like WOW (there, I said it), you have to buy the expansion and the monthly fee to be able to not only connect to one but 923840274016545685485 different servers.
alphas only deserve level 1 at most and may not ever use lobotomy sticks. Sure, some charge a bigger up front fee than EVE does, but they are also far more single-account friendly. EVE may not be pay to win, but it sure is pay more to play better. EVE walks a fine line between being and not being pay to win: you can't just sink money into the game and expect to do well without having extensive experience with the game; on the other hand, if you are an expert player, you can just about pay your way to victory so long as you do all the work necessary to make your accounts worth their weight in biomass.
WoW, on the opposite end, is more of a win-to-not-pay kind of a game in that having experience with it enables you to run through it so fast you can be done with it in the span of a free trial.
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Maximillian Bonaparte
Interstellar Booty Hunters
142
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Posted - 2017.03.23 18:19:00 -
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There definitely needs to be a change to clone states in order to keep eves numbers from declining.
The problem with Alpha Clones right now is that a month into playing dicouragement is high. After that, unless they pay, they have little to look forward to.
The ship limitations are the biggest problem.
They should allow alpha clones to fly almsot anything with the reduced training time (perhaps restrict them from skill injectors).
They presently can do little to make isk, further their eve career, PvP in a doctrine fleet (omegas fly too much variety), and they cannot even get into a mining barge. Alpha clones feel like the cannon fodder of eve with no hope of progression.
Either make eve totally f2play (other than buying isk with RL money), make a beta clone that is dirt cheap to pay for, can do anything an omega can do, but at slower training speed, or bring back subscriptions with something like a 3-6 month free trial and/or extensive buddy programs to get people into the game.
The more I think about this the more I see what a problem Alhpa clones are. They can do so little! |
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
969
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Posted - 2017.03.23 18:31:40 -
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xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:The price of EVE in the 11 years i've played has never gone up, if you can't afford 15 bucks it's time to stop playing video games and get your shite sorted. 15 bucks is nothing, i'll blow that on lunch today. Not everyone lives in a first world country where 15 bucks results to almost nothing...
When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
3049
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Posted - 2017.03.23 23:42:54 -
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Linus Gorp wrote:Not everyone lives in a first world country where 15 bucks results to almost nothing... Some of us do live in "the first world" yet pay 90% or more of our income to basic living expenses and have to cut out very low expenses like clothing, laundry, showers, haircuts, and food just to keep a roof over our head.
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Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
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