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Kassimila
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Posted - 2017.06.07 00:02:50 -
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So I'm only going off Pyfa here, so if I'm incorrect on this please feel free to correct me. Why can't an orca fit a stasis grappler? I realize it's in this weird halfway spot between battleship and capital ship, but either of those ship classes can fit the module. Why not the orca? |
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Posted - 2017.06.07 00:16:01 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:Why should an Orca be able to? It's a mining support vessel.
I mean....A force aux can. It's a support vessel. Maybe I want to battle orca, you don't know me. |
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Posted - 2017.06.07 00:44:45 -
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Rawketsled wrote:Wait, FAXes can fit Grapplers?
How did I not know about this?
Right click - Show info is a hard skill to master :) |
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Posted - 2017.06.07 03:29:05 -
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grgjegb gergerg wrote:Kassimila wrote:So I'm only going off Pyfa here, so if I'm incorrect on this please feel free to correct me. Why can't an orca fit a stasis grappler? I realize it's in this weird halfway spot between battleship and capital ship, but either of those ship classes can fit the module. Why not the orca? Well, they're ORE hulls, I wouldn't expect mining vessels to have that kind of thing going? Maybe it required military-class mounts that are only found in combat hulls, and the Orca structure can't take the forces? Sure, the technical answer is that CCP clicked the "battleships and caps" line of checkboxes, ofc. As to whether it should be able to fit them... I dunno. One one side, succeed or fail, battle Orcas would generate hilarious killmails. On the other, it doesn't quite make lore-sense? I don't think it really matters either way. An Orca can't mount a large MJD either. And THAT would be far more useful.
Lets add that to the thread as well.
Allow orca to fit Large MJD, and Stasis grappler! |
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Posted - 2017.06.07 03:30:51 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:why should it?
"lol, why not?" isn't a reason
Sonya Corvinus not reading and trolling yet another thread. I'm shocked. |
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Posted - 2017.06.07 21:27:54 -
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Old Pervert wrote:Sonya Corvinus wrote:why should it?
"lol, why not?" isn't a reason In a game where "hey we didn't think of that. Cool!" is something that has been specifically said by the Devs, "why not" is in fact the perfect reason. Letting players come up with unexpected uses for things is the spice of life in this game. Let the spice flow.
Just ignore Sonya. She doesn't play the game, she just trolls the forums. |
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Posted - 2017.06.07 22:35:12 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:Kassimila wrote:Sonya Corvinus not reading and trolling yet another thread. I'm shocked. Give me a reason it needs to be in game. You kind of left that out. Why do you want the orca to be able to do this? Kassimila, posting crazy suggestions with no reason. I'm shocked. Old Pervert wrote:In a game where "hey we didn't think of that. Cool!" is something that has been specifically said by the Devs, "why not" is in fact the perfect reason.
Letting players come up with unexpected uses for things is the spice of life in this game. Let the spice flow. Post with your main please. It looks like you haven't actually played this game.
Stop crying about mains when you haven't so much as killed something in a year. You are in breach of the forum rules, knock it off.
5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive, and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. |
Kassimila
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Posted - 2017.06.07 23:20:35 -
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Ignore this. |
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Posted - 2017.06.07 23:21:20 -
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mkint wrote:Sonya Corvinus wrote:Kassimila wrote:Stop crying about mains when you haven't so much as killed something in a year. You are in breach of the forum rules, knock it off.
This is my main. I do mainly PvE any more. I was talking to a person without a single entry on a killboard. Learn to read kiddo. For the third time, why is this needed? Give a reason or stop posting ridiculous things. Why is it hard for you to explain why you think this change needs to happen? "need" is a strong word. The pertinent question is whether or not it's appropriate. Personally, I'm not terribly happy with the idea of size-restricted modules. Restricted modules to fill a role is one thing, but otherwise I feel like more general use modules should be restricted by CPU/PG limits. That's a personal opinion obviously so that's obviously not a justification in itself. On the grounds of combat vs support, it's not an inappropriate change as an orca can already fit any standard ewar, smartbombs, combat drones, etc. That makes it feel more like this is an oversight rather than an intentional design. And of course, any combat ship can fit RR's and other support modules, so an arbitrary hard barrier between combat and support is otherwise nonexistent. imo, the only reason to NOT allow it is if it would introduce some game breaking imbalance. Would it? "Why not" might actually be a sufficiently adequate reason for this to push through. The "why" being "because cool stuff might happen" is more than sufficient. After all, "cool stuff might happen" is the entire reason for pretty much everything in EVE, and the only real reason to play EVE to begin with.
Well said. To add to this the grappler would be useful to slow down annoying tackle so you can pummel it with your drones. You could have 2 orcas on field and web them off field faster. You could web your rorq out. I mean it's a pretty cut and dry module, it's uses are apparent. The orca is a heavy vessel, this module was designed for heavy vessels to use. The lack of it being able to use it seems like an oversight.
For the MJD: Because it's a good module, and again battleships/battlecruisers get it. The orca is this weird battleship/capital without a jump drive hybrid thing. It can't fit capital mods. It can dock in an asta, so I lean towards battleship. It would make sense that it should be able to use the module. Being able to go 100km -> that way is useful. |
Kassimila
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Posted - 2017.06.08 00:34:59 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Responding to both of you, thanks for finally giving a reason. Getting one was like pulling teeth.
We need less powerful large ships, not more. Mining is entirely too easy as it is today, and we want to now buff the Orca? Please no. Kass, the Orca isn't a combat ship. It's a mining support ship. Why should you get more of an 'I win' button for your PvE-ing like you are asking for?
If you want to protect your mining fleet, get friends to fly support. Literally every one of your posts is "I want the game to be easier". That's why I respond the way I do. I don't agree with that.
Seeming that you just sit in high sec 'pveing' for the last year. I'm pretty sure it's you who actually wants the game easier, and are risk adverse.
Less powerful large ships? Really? Considering the current most used/imbalanced ships are currently the Claw, T3 dessies. I'm pretty sure small ships are in a really great spot. Small gang battleship roams have been long dead for quite a while. You would know this if you actually left high sec.
As for the Orca not being a combat ship. Every ship in Eve online is a combat ship. Giving the ship the ability to fit modules that it clearly should be able to fit is in no way an 'I win' button. It would however give you additional options other than clicking warp and counting out the 40 second align time. It might even cause people to use the orca in places like low/null sec. Instead of the current meta which is mostly high sec, some wormhole. I'm pretty sure the wormholers would agree that this change would make the Orca a more viable platform for "mining fleet support" in WHs as well. |
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Kassimila
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Posted - 2017.06.08 01:49:56 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote: Honest question, why did you assume I spend any time in HS? I haven't lived there since 2012.
Sonya Corvinus wrote: This is my main. I do mainly PvE any more. I was talking to a person without a single entry on a killboard. Learn to read kiddo.
You literally said this is your main, I lookup that character on the killboards last kill Sept 27th, last loss May 7th...2016. So it really doesn't seem like your version of playing the game involves leaving a station. |
Kassimila
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Posted - 2017.06.08 02:08:35 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:
Bullsh*t. Why hold space in sov null if you don't have standing defense fleets 24/7? How hard is it for your fellow ratters and miners to immediately re-ship to combat ships when someone attacks? You are in a fleet and on comms the entire time you're online and PvE-ing, right?
Making null be as safe as HS for carebears is a bad thing, which is what most of OP's posts want to do.
Oh and your "It takes you 40 seconds to align in an orca? Are you a noob?". Open pyfa, orca, all lvl 5s 36.5 second align you ape.
As for your comment that 'all I want to do is make null sec safer for pve'. You seem to care a lot about pvp for someone that doesn't actually do it. My actual opinions however are as follows.
- Add a 30 second delay on local in null sec. - Boot every afk idiot. Afk cloakers KILL gameplay, they don't create content. You'll make the argument that they are paying for their account. Then I will point out that an unimplanted character generates 1.7 million SP per month, which is enough to sell and pay for the account. So it's basically a buffed up alpha clone.
You complain about null sec being 'too safe' as it is when it is where most of the ship losses in the game occur. Meanwhile high sec incursion runners are PRINTING isk with impunity.
As for your reshipping comment, it really depends on the type of pvp that occurs. Roaming gang? Sure you can form up and get in some pew. Wormhole opened within a jump of you? They leap in get kills, and vanish before you can really form a response. Covert afk cyno dropper? Only way to deal with that is have you own cyno and a titan bridge on standby. Even if you're in a standing fleet, they simply would never be able to respond in time otherwise.
As for you questioning what I've done in the game. I've been playing since 2005, remember full damage to everything torpedoes that you could outrun? I do. Remember a time before capitals? I do. I've lived in HS, Nullsec, WHs, I've been a low-sec pirate. I've lead a team to the semi finals of the alliance tournament. So if that makes me a "F1 monkey" as you call it. Sure dude. |
Kassimila
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Posted - 2017.06.08 03:07:34 -
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Rawketsled wrote:lol. It takes seven seconds to align an Orca if you fit it correctly. No rigging required.
Cloak/mwd shinnangians? |
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Posted - 2017.06.08 08:47:43 -
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Dior Ambraelle wrote:Kassimila wrote:You literally said this is your main, I lookup that character on the killboards last kill Sept 27th, last loss May 7th...2016. So it really doesn't seem like your version of playing the game involves leaving a station. Just to be fair, zKillboard isn't 100% accurate. If you check my stats, you will see that all of my kills are missing (all one of them, that I got in lowsec). I can send you the kill mail in-game if you want proof. Also, not getting killed once a week doesn't mean not leaving a station. It only means that she isn't looking for PVP and can avoid gankers. The latter one seems like a really useful skill.
Perhaps you didn't see the date....2016. He has avoided kills and losses for almost a full year. Gimmie a break. lol |
Kassimila
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Posted - 2017.06.08 15:54:43 -
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Merin Ryskin wrote:
Cry more please. If your gameplay is killed by an AFK cloaker then you didn't deserve to have it in the first place. Grow some balls, organize a counter fleet, and deal with the threat.
Look I really don't want to derail this thread by getting into this topic. I was not 'crying' about it. I simply recognize that there is no counter play to the situation. All you can do is hope to take a few of them down with you depending on what jumps in. Personally I go with the fly cheap crap that pays itself back in an hour of activity, tactic. That being said some way to actually hunt them down in a system would be nice. People say they don't want the game 'safer', so how come the cloaked person at a safe spot gets to be safe for 23 hours? If you allowed people to probe them, and land within say 20km of them. Then you could hunt someone down, something an active pilot can avoid. That would be active game content, which I view as a good thing. |
Kassimila
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Posted - 2017.06.08 15:58:05 -
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Dior Ambraelle wrote:Kassimila wrote:Then I will point out that an unimplanted character generates 1.7 million SP per month, which is enough to sell and pay for the account. So it's basically a buffed up alpha clone. Wait! I think we stepped over a serious issue here. So a month of plex (500) is currently about 1.3 billion right? And with the last update that added the small injector, the price of injectors increased to 770+ million for some reason. This technically means that if you don't actually need any new skills, you can basically generate 2 months worth of plex (1000) each month (3 extractors/month = 2.5+ billion) by doing literally nothing? And the 3 skill extractors you need only cost 420 plex/month, so you can have infinite omega status + 960 plex/year for free. Please tell me that I awfully miscalculated something!
Vastly. Plex = 1.3 bil correct. COST of 3 extractors = 900mil. Sell price of 3 injectors = 2.31bil
Profit = 1.41bil
So you can buy the plex and make about 100mil right now. |
Kassimila
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Posted - 2017.06.08 16:43:56 -
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Dior Ambraelle wrote:Kassimila wrote:Dior Ambraelle wrote:Kassimila wrote:Then I will point out that an unimplanted character generates 1.7 million SP per month, which is enough to sell and pay for the account. So it's basically a buffed up alpha clone. Wait! I think we stepped over a serious issue here. So a month of plex (500) is currently about 1.3 billion right? And with the last update that added the small injector, the price of injectors increased to 770+ million for some reason. This technically means that if you don't actually need any new skills, you can basically generate 2 months worth of plex (1000) each month (3 extractors/month = 2.5+ billion) by doing literally nothing? And the 3 skill extractors you need only cost 420 plex/month, so you can have infinite omega status + 960 plex/year for free. Please tell me that I awfully miscalculated something! Vastly. Plex = 1.3 bil correct. COST of 3 extractors = 900mil. Sell price of 3 injectors = 2.31bil Profit = 1.41bil So you can buy the plex and make about 100mil right now. Still, is this supposed to work like this, or players just a few steps ahead of the devs again?
I mean...Market dictates price points. I don't see how it's a dev issue. |
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Posted - 2017.06.08 18:07:04 -
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Dior Ambraelle wrote: The fact that people are able to stay omega without paying or doing literally anything. And this doesn't require any kind of skill or luck, so anyone can do this. Because that's what this allows. Sure you wouldn't be able to do this for ever, because if people would actually start doing this then the plex market prices would double in a few months because of the increased demand.
People ARE doing this. It doesn't matter what is priced where. If extractors/plex goes up, injectors also go up. The only impact would be lack of demand for skill injectors. Did you honestly believe these people with 30+ cloaky cyno alts are actually paying for the accounts? I can't really complain about the process though. You can do the same thing with mining/ratting alts. Train up to Mining barge/VNI, sell the rest of the SP, profit. |
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Posted - 2017.06.08 19:32:32 -
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Tessa Sage wrote:Speaking of Battle Orcas.. if they augment the powergrid to allow for Heavy midslot modules, can we also switch out the drone bay for Augmented or T2 Light Fighters? It is basically ORE's solution to carrier play, with Rorqual in siege more akin to Dreadnaught level.
That seems like a bit much. More PG to be able to fit MJD/MWD/Stasis grappler sounds pretty reasonable to me. Fighters, I would say those should stay with the carrier class ships. That's what they are designed to do. That being said the Orca is a 950mil hull. It doesn't really feel worth the price tag as it stands right now. The porpoise can boost just as well. So you're basically paying for a big ore bay. The ability to use heavy drones however would seem in line with the hull size/cost. |
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Posted - 2017.06.09 00:01:20 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:Kassimila wrote:You literally said this is your main, I lookup that character on the killboards last kill Sept 27th, last loss May 7th...2016. So it really doesn't seem like your version of playing the game involves leaving a station. ...and I said I do mainly PvE. You do know you can live outside of HS and not die, right? I can give you pointers if you want. And apparently you've never actually flown an Orca. F1 monkey's terrified of risk like you are always hilarious to talk to. How have you played since 2005 and still actually think it takes 40 seconds to align an Orca? Under 10 seconds is more than easy...
Perhaps since you don't actually play the game, you are unaware of how the interface works. If you open up the fitting tool in the game, and climb into an orca you will see an align time under the navigation section. It says 40 seconds. |
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Kassimila
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Posted - 2017.06.09 02:06:35 -
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Sonya Corvinus wrote:Kassimila wrote:Perhaps since you don't actually play the game, you are unaware of how the interface works. If you open up the fitting tool in the game, and climb into an orca you will see an align time under the navigation section. It says 40 seconds. You can't figure out how to get a 10 second align time with an orca and you're calling for changes to them? Direct question. Have you ever flown an orca? Yes or no please. Good god your trolling is painful.
You're the only one trolling here Sonya. Yes I have flown an Orca. Yes I am aware that modules and game mechanics alter the statistic of ships. None of what you are saying is valid to my original posted idea. You've stated your opinion, we heard it, no one cares. I'm done dealing with you, go troll someone elses thread. |
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Posted - 2017.06.09 18:06:22 -
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Dom Arkaral wrote:I approve of this idea. Why? Because why not? I make the dumbest yet most creative fits that I know of, and we'll grappler battle orca fits right in there
Did you know....a Hulk has a base scan res of 855? I'll let you figure out where to go from there. :p |
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Posted - 2017.06.09 18:27:50 -
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Dom Arkaral wrote:Kassimila wrote:Dom Arkaral wrote:I approve of this idea. Why? Because why not? I make the dumbest yet most creative fits that I know of, and we'll grappler battle orca fits right in there Did you know....a Hulk has a base scan res of 855? I'll let you figure out where to go from there. :p I have a bumping skiff >_> I keel you
I like you, we can be friends. |
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Posted - 2017.06.13 00:49:34 -
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CCP approved battle orca, I like it. :) |
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