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Garborg
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.20 12:14:00 -
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Edited by: Garborg on 20/11/2007 12:16:16 Well, I'm sorry your friend has a hard time with some aspects of the game. I suspect being totally blind or deaf could hamper you ability to play as well.
Not sure what the gaming industry does to help with these situations but I suspect it's not much. Especially in MMO stetting, a handicap option would have to be available to the whole user base to promote fair practices, and would probably be used by everyone if it made some aspects of the game easier. Such as "see'ing" EW effects targeting you.
My advice is to get some voice communications between you 2 while missioning so information can be relayed faster, such as take xxx out first.
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Archa
Caldari Chickens with an Attitude
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Posted - 2007.11.20 12:15:00 -
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i have no hands and ccp has made an interface in wich i have to use my hands to controll the mouse... you are evil ccp!
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Mathaw
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Posted - 2007.11.20 12:21:00 -
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I agree that if they want to conform to user disabilities that they shuld provide an option for gamers such as youself, however they are not in a position where they HAVE to.
It's the same as websites, they are only required to conform to these standards if they are providing a 'service'; i.e. paying you gas bill, or ordering tickets to the Olympics (documented case of this example). However if you choose not to adorn to these standards it's your choice; as at the end of the day CCP have this choice, and if they choose not to help you out they arn;t technically doing anything wrong, and it's their choice to cut out this portion of the market, at the end of the day they're missing out on custom as much as you're missing out on the game, it;s their choice as the developer of the title.
I agree that some kind of highcontrast or disability friendly 'should' be availbl, however it doesnt mean that they have to do it.
It's a shame you and your friend are having problems but there's defintely no legal recourse to be taken, or any reason to take your demands to heart, let's just hope that at some point they do :)
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Garborg
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.20 12:25:00 -
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Heh, special drivers for video cards. Could be a new bright idea. Too bad I'm lazy.
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari The Nexus Foundation
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Posted - 2007.11.20 12:25:00 -
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Learn the names of the ships that warp scramble and kill them first, or just get all the Frigates in a mission first with your drones or ship weapons, failing that.
Getting rid of scramblers should be the first thing you do in any mission, period. There's a variety of mission info sites out there that will give you the names of the warp scramblers in it even.
To be honest, unless you've dropped the ball and not taken the warp scramblers out first and are in an "oh-****" moment where you need to get out fast and your desperately trying to find out what's scrambling you, no one actually looks for the warp scrambling animatation to see what's doing it, color blind or not. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets. |
Agif
Templar Republic R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.20 12:28:00 -
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Here be disabled too.
I cant sit for long hours playing as i have had my back fused so getting in comfy mode is very difficult indeed. And long POS sieges and Sov attacks means im up and down from my seat but at the end of the day its isnt CCP's fault for this nor should they have to change their game or reimburse anyone for losses.
Simply adapt and overcome or STFU and move along to a new game thats more suited to your condition or whatever you wish to call it.
Muff
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.11.20 12:41:00 -
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Edited by: Andrue on 20/11/2007 12:43:47 I don't have a colour deficiency but I agree that some of CCP's choices are poor. The glowing green around active modules is fine on my NH but for some reason on my alt's Sleipnir it's harder to see. I'm not really sure why (although on a Sleipnir you do have to reload a lot more). The issue with greens and reds was pointed out to CCP a long time ago and the devs even acknowledged it.
Edit:Re the warp scrambling - get your skills/ship fittings sorted out. Warping out of a mission is not a valid tactic. It's what you do when you have failed. Personally I like scramblers. At least it means they aren't doing something that affects me. -- (Battle hardened industrialist)
[Brackley, UK]
My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned. |
Bo Bojangles
Minmatar High4Life SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.20 12:48:00 -
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Gotta go with most of the replies on this one.
If you guys are tackling lvl4's without looking at the various mission wikis available out there, then you're flying into it just plain blind, and not just color.
Maybe that's the way you wanna play it, I can see that too, not wanting to look up spoilers for whatever mission. But if that's the way you wanna play it, then you risk whatever ISK you've got tied up into your ship that much more.
That said though, yeah Eve's snare mechanic is powerful enough to warrant a separate detection system. If it were me I'd have a separate dialogue box coming up that let me know the who, what, and where's of the enemy scramming or webbing me. You know, instead of the single dialogue box we get that assumes everyone reads 500wps in that microtext. If you can even afford to have those effects on being pounded by a bunch of npc's it's still quite difficult to spot the offending vessel if at all. Some improvement could be made here.
But it is because of these shortcomings to the game that using Wikis like Malcanis described are so helpful and almost a necessity for purposes of safety. Just use them and be happy.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Please Enter Password
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Posted - 2007.11.20 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Red Desire Question : He said he "traded" some money from other game to ISK ??????????
WTF that is breaching of EULA, that's ISK selling!! There you have it CCP black on white, take the appropriate measures.
Mentioned it on my post, which was brutally straight up and honest i know, but it seems it's too obvious to notice?
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Ryoji Tanakama
Caldari Daikoku Fleet Shipyards
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Posted - 2007.11.20 13:00:00 -
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1 - argument invalid, you dont need to and often cant see the effect of tacling, whether you can see blue or not. 2 - The icons for almost every status setting (if not every last one) have an appropriate symbol as well as colour. You can still see a flashing background regardless of it's colour in most cases of colourblindness, as you can still determine change in contrast. 3 - You're trolling. The game has made many concessions towards visual problems and it is unreasonable to expect that CCP can anticipate and make allowances for every possible 'minor disability'.
I have chronic RSI, but I don't expect CCP too remove the need to use a mouse to play the game. If I'm in pain, I break or change the way i'm playing to account for it. I don't whine about it.
If you feel you and your friend have a valid need for improvement you should have posted---
Title: Colour deficiency issue and possible improvement
Hey CCP, I had this problem in a mission because due to colour deficiency I... blah blah blah.
What would have really helped me out in this case is... blah blah blah.
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Bet you would have got a better response. Instead you threw your toys out of the pram and had a hissy fit about the evil CCP empire destroying the gaming universe. It's a bit counter productive.
~Ryoji Tanakama
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Ryuga VonRhaiden
Caldari Insurgent New Eden Tribe Deus Ex.
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Posted - 2007.11.20 13:14:00 -
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there IS a warp scrambling visual effect?
wow... O_O
Do not try and find the signature... that's impossible. Instead only try to realize the truth... There is no signature. |
Saladin
Minmatar Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.11.20 13:20:00 -
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Edited by: Saladin on 20/11/2007 13:19:45 I am not colour blind and have been playing EvE for over years. I have done hundreds of missions, traded, mined, and seen action in several conflicts. Never at any point was I ever able to determine who was warp scrambling me. If your friend had the track record you said he did, he should have known which npc was scrambling him by name.
That said, I don't like the module interface in Rev. Its really hard to determine which modules are on/off sometimes, and that applies to people who can distinguish red from green. My difficulty comes when the modules are against specific nebula colours, and I have to rotate the view sometimes to see them clearly.
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Sendraks
TOHA Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.11.20 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ryoji Tanakama
3 - You're trolling.
Nothing more, nothing less.
If the OP actually cared about this issue, rather than having a laugh at the expense of others, I'd have expected them to respond by now.
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Jacob Hawke
Minmatar Dread Lords
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Posted - 2007.11.20 13:29:00 -
[44]
Sigh,
It may not be your fault you are disabled but it isn't CCP's either, and to me this post comes over as a whine. And ISK sellings bad, mkay?
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Tegashi
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Posted - 2007.11.20 13:31:00 -
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Being unaware of A warp scrambling mission frig and losing an expensive ship is nothing out of the ordinary for anyone. I've lost an expensive ship or two in this manner and I'm not color blind.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.20 13:34:00 -
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I wish CCP would prepare an accessibility patch in their next content enhancement. I know people have green-red problems and an accessibility patch would encourage people to fight in combat.
Some icons like corp mates and war targets are confusing for visually impaired players. If CCP couldn't change colors then change icons. Make it so corp mates are the green with white stars and hostiles are red with yellow circular bull eyes.
It is not that hard. :s --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria!
Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon.
Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game. |
Minerva Vulcan
Caldari The Nexus Foundation
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Posted - 2007.11.20 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Originally by: Red Desire Question : He said he "traded" some money from other game to ISK ??????????
WTF that is breaching of EULA, that's ISK selling!! There you have it CCP black on white, take the appropriate measures.
Mentioned it on my post, which was brutally straight up and honest i know, but it seems it's too obvious to notice?
Actually, I believe what he said was that he gave his friend currency in another game, (say WoW gold for example or whatever the hell they use is SWG) for some ISK in here.
Not sure where that falls under CCPs rules, but to be honest, I don't think it can be seen as more than just a donation to a friend. _______________________________ I need new voices in my head, To speak my secret evils with. I need new lovers in my bed, To be my friends and special pets. |
Malcanis
High4Life SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.20 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Tegashi Being unaware of A warp scrambling mission frig and losing an expensive ship is nothing out of the ordinary for anyone. I've lost an expensive ship or two in this manner and I'm not color blind.
I demand CCP redesign the interface to take care of my frequent beer-blindness!
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Kaakao
Insidious Existence
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Posted - 2007.11.20 13:37:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Some icons like corp mates and war targets are confusing for visually impaired players. If CCP couldn't change colors then change icons. Make it so corp mates are the green with white stars and hostiles are red with yellow circular bull eyes.
It is not that hard. :s
Its not hard, you can change it yourself in the overview settings.
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El Covah
LOCKDOWN. HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2007.11.20 13:38:00 -
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I am almost colorblind myself and also found it hard to identify the different color-tags. What I use myself as a workaround is that I e.g.
a) use a background-color for hostiles and no background-color for non-hostiles if I have both in overview which makes it easy to decide "what is what"
b) only display hostiles and not friendly pilots and/or gang-members (you should do this anyhow)
For almost any stuff I found out by playing with the settings how to adjust them for me, e.g. use blinking or background/non-backgrounf coloring. Non colorblind people find it somewhat confusing to look at my screen - but it works fine.
Anyhow I found no workaround for changing the damn heat-UI at the top of the modules. I cannot see if it is red or green. This really would be nice if CCP could adjust or rework that.
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Syrin
Error666
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Posted - 2007.11.20 13:41:00 -
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I am red-green colour blind and have issues distinguishing between a whole raft of colours, however it has NEVER stopped me playing any game whatsoever. It does disqualify me from being a pilot and a sparky though . 10% of male popu;ation have issues seeing colours but the world hasnt changed for them.
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Raxxius Maelstrom
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Posted - 2007.11.20 13:48:00 -
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with 10% of the male population having problems, you'd think a relatively simple graphical fix wouldn't be so hard.
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Joss Sparq
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.11.20 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny My one highschool teacher was colorblind.... he always thought his car was green... it was brown.
I remember my favorite high school science teacher being color blind, a red/green switch.
I recall him telling the story of how he and some other teachers were driving back from an all-day seminar and stopped off to steal some ripe apples from an orchard on the way - yes, he was a great example to the kids,
So, while the others wait in the car in case the owner finds them and they need to make a getaway, my teacher and another run into the orchard to pick apples and dump them into a big canvas beach bag. My teacher, being taller, picks the apples while the other acts as a look out. After a few minutes they're spotted and chased off.
They just make it into the car and they all speed off before the angry owner can brain one of them with a shovel. They then discover once they're safe that my color blind teacher, of course, picked what he thought were the nicest, big juicy red apples. Which, of course, were all green and not at all edible.
- when we asked if this was a lesson about the wrongs of stealing, he told us not to be stupid, it was about learning to plan ahead, heh.
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ShardowRhino
Caldari Species 5618 R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.20 14:09:00 -
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You and your friend having a hard time or being completely unable to tell what color is what does NOT MAKE YOU BLIND! I think that it sucks that you and others out there have problems telling what color is what. I had a friend back in highschool that had that problem, at first i thought he was bull****ting me until i started to notice a few things,however he played many games without a problem,the guy carried a SNES in his freakin jacket!(No joke!)
I have lost a few ships in L4s thanks to those little rats but I never bothered to look for the effect. My answer to the problem is something that applies to you and your friend. Don't bother looking for any effect/color and what frig is scraming you. Instead kill all the frigates you see. They are the small crosses on your overview. shoot those that are blinking (again color doesn't apply).
Hell theres no reason to complain about CCP not doing something that im sure 99% of us that can see colors to what ever degree would have ever thought of. The problem is even if you and your friend complianed all day long, it doesn't mean that ccp has the time...and honestly will to do such a thing. They would have to have a good chunck of the player base unable to distinguish colors in order to consider it a real issue. As much as that might suck for you, its just something ******* unheard of in gaming!
Instead of buying the best warpstabs that will give your friend a functioning ship, buy the skill for smart bombs and slap on a large bomb in the hislot. have some light drones in your bay to go after them. buy an assualt launcher.
Theres just so many possible fixes you and your friend could do in game as it is without resorting to crying about ccp not doing something that is unheard of.
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Sendraks
TOHA Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.11.20 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Raxxius Maelstrom with 10% of the male population having problems, you'd think a relatively simple graphical fix wouldn't be so hard.
And what would this graphical fix be?
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy
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Posted - 2007.11.20 14:16:00 -
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Originally by: Joss Sparq
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny My one highschool teacher was colorblind.... he always thought his car was green... it was brown.
I remember my favorite high school science teacher being color blind, a red/green switch.
I recall him telling the story of how he and some other teachers were driving back from an all-day seminar and stopped off to steal some ripe apples from an orchard on the way - yes, he was a great example to the kids,
So, while the others wait in the car in case the owner finds them and they need to make a getaway, my teacher and another run into the orchard to pick apples and dump them into a big canvas beach bag. My teacher, being taller, picks the apples while the other acts as a look out. After a few minutes they're spotted and chased off.
They just make it into the car and they all speed off before the angry owner can brain one of them with a shovel. They then discover once they're safe that my color blind teacher, of course, picked what he thought were the nicest, big juicy red apples. Which, of course, were all green and not at all edible.
- when we asked if this was a lesson about the wrongs of stealing, he told us not to be stupid, it was about learning to plan ahead, heh.
Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking
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Cypherous
Minmatar Liberty Rogues Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.11.20 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Tremayne
With regard to scrambling NPCs in missions, I know of no-one who actually looks for the warp scrambling effect to identify which frigate is scrambling them.
No-one.
Well i can solve that one, i normally run missions with others and i always point out and mark with a broadcast target the scrambling frigs who get primaried by myself and the person i run missions with its a matter of safety and works the same in PvP except we just kill all the small stuff first, as has been mentioned there are going to be so many variations of this and do you want CCP to impliment a sliding scale for each and ever level of this, granted they could do more to indicate scramblers but they don't.
All we can do is ask them to do is to fix the small issues like scramble indicators and the really faint green around the UI but i'm losing faith in CCP adding the things we've asked for for a number of years now :( ---------
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fuze
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Posted - 2007.11.20 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Cypherous All we can do is ask them to do is to fix the small issues like scramble indicators and the really faint green around the UI but i'm losing faith in CCP adding the things we've asked for for a number of years now :(
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Jane Spondogolo
NoobWaffe
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Posted - 2007.11.20 14:28:00 -
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Some of you people are *******s. Seriously. Is kicking down folks with disabilities cool now?
"Help me out in Eve, and I'll give you a kickback in Wow". Bah thats not selling, its friends helping each other out. Quit being bloody lynch mob loonies.
More to the point. I'm a web developer, and this is a very major issue in our industry. Its somewhere over 10% that have colour blindness, and then you can throw another 5-10% on top of that , that are affected by various colour-sensitive dislexias. So we have to compensate for them. (Note, a lot of websites don't. They tend to make less money).
Its an easy thing for CCP to fix. Thow in some options to shift the colours around on the HUD. Even if its just a .ini file option like 'protanopia=1' deuternopia=2' etc, it'll make a world of difference for nearly 1 in 5 players. ______ Unrepentant Southern Federation Cheerleader.
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Jane Spondogolo
NoobWaffe
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Posted - 2007.11.20 14:30:00 -
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Originally by: Garborg Heh, special drivers for video cards. Could be a new bright idea. Too bad I'm lazy.
*THAT* would be a crazy cool idea.
Hey, I wonder whether the effect could be faked by the screen-colour adjustments. Like if someones deficient on seeing red, somehow just change the screen colour settings to push the reds into the blues or something. ______ Unrepentant Southern Federation Cheerleader.
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