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Manwe Todako
Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2014.04.23 14:09:00 -
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The DSS Reunion is enroute to mooring in Yulai along with the DSS Benefactor. These two vessels will serve as reserve ships on rapid standby. Off rotation crews will be trained and ready for rapid deployment in the event that they are needed. Minor fitting work is yet to be completed on these vessels but as is they are ready for deployment. SANKOFA |
Aracturus
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
166
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Posted - 2014.04.23 14:58:00 -
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Manwe Todako wrote:The DSS Reunion is enroute to mooring in Yulai along with the DSS Benefactor. These two vessels will serve as reserve ships on rapid standby. Off rotation crews will be trained and ready for rapid deployment in the event that they are needed. Minor fitting work is yet to be completed on these vessels but as is they are ready for deployment.
Yay thread necromancy! This is now a WIDOT thread! |
Tahrmal Nalthkh
Disciples of Ston
116
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Posted - 2014.04.26 20:48:00 -
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Today, during a weapons confiscation in which several valuable faction battle drones were seized and subsequently locked down, DSTON was threatened by members of the The Marmite Collective. Eager to obtain these weapons in order to use them as tools of violence and killing, they were upset that we were confiscating them and removing them from circulation forever. They threatened to declare war if we proceded with the confiscation. We proceeded and they have declared war.
Therefore: The Disciples of Ston now enter war declaration protocol. The only difference in our reporting is an additional item that Development has requested in our rescue operations and reporting. In order to reduce the number of concurrent tasks involved in rescues, during war declarations we will not log or report deathcan owners. Reports will only contain numbers rescued and logged times. We are sorry to those who appreciate the information about deathcan perpetrators. As soon as and if the war dec expires we will return to the earlier reporting.
I have noted that The Marmite Collective is a very violent group and is eager to declare war and fight for what appears to be no particular ideal other than their own bloodlust. From their war history, It appears that DSTON is the first Pacifist organization to come under the sights of their guns and missiles. We will do our best to continue rescues and confiscations albeit with greater caution. Dr. Tahrmal Nalthkh CEO, DSTON Rescue Pilot |
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
163
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Posted - 2014.04.26 21:05:00 -
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With this war, the Marmite Collective has greatly increased its chance of salvation. Should they manage to destroy the vessels of the Disciples of Ston/Molok, then surely they will have washed away their sins and will stand counted among the Chosen of a holy and righteous God. |
Eran Mintor
Esoteric Philosophy
582
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Posted - 2014.04.27 00:32:00 -
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I don't forsee the Marmites really doing much to your operations. The many vs the few often results with the many losing interest quickly because they can't be bothered to camp a pilot or two for hours, especially with all the other wars going on.
I am guessing though that it was a mistake to say you will stop posting during a war as I forsee many wardecs for you now, as there's quite a few who despise you for whatever reason and want you to be silenced.
While I don't agree with all your methods I do think there is some good to what you do and would love to see these enemies choke on a slaver bone. If there's any way I, or others, can help let us/me know.
-Eran |
Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
1353
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Posted - 2014.04.27 13:06:00 -
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Weapons Lockdown Report:
116.03.07 6,920,000 ISK (422,000,000 ISK) Including 6 1400 cannons 116.04.26 14,700,000 ISK (420,000,000 ISK) Decrease in est market value 116.04.26 13,800,000 ISK (434,000,000 ISK) factional drones
This report represents one of those enjoyable but rare times when all three of us get to work together on something. Since I am the administrator in charge of the weapon lockdown program, Manwe and Tahrmal meet with me on occasion to transfer weapons and ammo for lockdown. We were all in close proximity on 116.04.26 so we decided to make the transfers then. We have had a recent lull in confiscation work just because of its risk and a desire to not subject our crews to undo peril. However, it remains an important part of our work as was made clear by Tahrmal's crew and cool thinking recently.
I salute Tahrmal and the crew of the Plowshare for not giving in to the threats and intimidation of the vile and violent Marmite Collective. Proceeding with the confiscation was the right thing to do. It is because of the violence and unmitigated bloodlust of groups such as the Collective that DSTON continues its confiscation program.
The Disciples of Ston bid you peace |
Tahrmal Nalthkh
Disciples of Ston
117
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Posted - 2014.05.01 13:41:00 -
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Corporate News: In a separate legal action, the capsuleer corporation Alcohol Fuelled has declared war on the Disciples of Ston. Until recently, the corporation was a member of the Marmite Collective Alliance. Upon leaving the alliance, an automatic war declaration was made against us on behalf of the now unallied corporation. We re-iterate to Alcohol Fuelled that DSTON is a pacifist organization and is never armed and will never aggress.
May Peace Prevail
Dr. Tahrmal Nalthkh CEO, DSTON Rescue Pilot |
Tahrmal Nalthkh
Disciples of Ston
117
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Posted - 2014.05.02 13:17:00 -
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Corporate Update: As explained above, corporations leaving an alliance in war declaration automatically declare war on the all entities under the alliance war declaration. Thus, CONTRATTO has declared war on the Disciples of Ston. We will watch to see if this is a pattern that continues.
Corporate policy amendment: Since during war declarations, we often patrol in teams, the rule regarding logging and posting deathcan owners is suspended in the case of a team patrol where the standby ship and crew record the data while the other crew is in rescue ops. Dr. Tahrmal Nalthkh CEO, DSTON Rescue Pilot |
Tahrmal Nalthkh
Disciples of Ston
120
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Posted - 2014.05.04 23:29:00 -
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Corporate News: DSTON is pleased to announce that all three war declarations against us have expired without renewal. The world is once against safe enough for Ston to dock and have coffee.
In other news: DSTON Development has issue an invitation to three diplomats of the Amarr Empire and to three official counterparts from the Republic to join our Development office in Yulai to discuss the cultural aspects of humanitarian work in and amongst their respective cultures. The theme of the summit has yet to be worded but the idea is to communicate the specific cultural tension creators and how we as an organization can structure our programs and facilities to reduce the possibility of conflict. Special thanks to Captain Ymladris for her recent report regarding the precipitation of conflict between Matari and Amarr elements of the Arcology project. This report lights the proverbial fire under our own backsides to begin more concerted efforts toward preventative planning in this area. Invitations have been issue and we are awaiting responses from the officials invited. Dr. Tahrmal Nalthkh CEO, DSTON Rescue Pilot |
Tahrmal Nalthkh
Disciples of Ston
121
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Posted - 2014.05.06 18:50:00 -
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We are ecstatic! Four out of the six invitations to attend our summit have come back affirmative. We will proceed with two Amarrian Representatives and two from the Republic. The dates for the summit will soon be set and schedule arrangements made. The tentative meeting location will be at our Development Office in Yulai. Dates and times will not be announced in this forum. We hope for a productive time. Dr. Tahrmal Nalthkh CEO, DSTON Rescue Pilot |
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Eran Mintor
Esoteric Philosophy
598
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Posted - 2014.05.06 21:04:00 -
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Who are the officials?
-Eran |
Eran Mintor
Esoteric Philosophy
685
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Posted - 2014.05.06 21:04:30 -
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Who are the officials?
-Eran |
Tahrmal Nalthkh
Disciples of Ston
121
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Posted - 2014.05.06 22:28:00 -
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Eran Mintor wrote:Who are the officials?
-Eran
In time an explanation of the identity of the officials invited will be given that will likely not satisfy most of those who want that information. Those inquiring should know that DSTON is operating on a sort of shared protocol with another parallel situation involving another organization. For now I am most eager to protect the identity of the baseline officials involved and will not reveal names unless given permission to do so. As of yet, we are not sure if capsuleer representatives will be invited to the summit. We will give it consideration and we are interested in one particular organization but have not yet made contact with them about the summit. Dr. Tahrmal Nalthkh CEO, DSTON Rescue Pilot |
Tahrmal Nalthkh
Disciples of Ston
126
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Posted - 2014.05.06 22:28:17 -
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Eran Mintor wrote:Who are the officials?
-Eran
In time an explanation of the identity of the officials invited will be given that will likely not satisfy most of those who want that information. Those inquiring should know that DSTON is operating on a sort of shared protocol with another parallel situation involving another organization. For now I am most eager to protect the identity of the baseline officials involved and will not reveal names unless given permission to do so. As of yet, we are not sure if capsuleer representatives will be invited to the summit. We will give it consideration and we are interested in one particular organization but have not yet made contact with them about the summit.
Dr. Tahrmal Nalthkh
CEO, DSTON
Rescue Pilot
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Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
641
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Posted - 2014.05.10 20:26:00 -
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I'm following the reports of DSTOn about this summit as close as I can, due to personal interest.
I do wish you all the luck and sensibility on this sensitive matter. May level-headedness and common sense prevail! Over 22.000 immigrants arriving at the Arcology Station!URL] [URL=http://aurora-arcology.blogspot.com/2014/04/the-provist-manhunt-summary.html]-á-áThe Provist Manhunt Summary |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
1034
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Posted - 2014.05.10 20:26:43 -
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I'm following the reports of DSTOn about this summit as close as I can, due to personal interest.
I do wish you all the luck and sensibility on this sensitive matter. May level-headedness and common sense prevail!
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Tahrmal Nalthkh
Disciples of Ston
123
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Posted - 2014.05.11 00:29:00 -
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Is a small scale cultural integration possible? Should such an effort be successful, could it lead to larger scale cultural integration?
Participants: Hedion: Professor of cultural anthropology Hedion: Professor of economics Pator Tech: Professor of Political Science and International Trade Republic University: Professor of Urban Studies
This is as much information about the participants that I have permission to share. Each is experienced in diplomatic efforts in addition to their academic responsibilities.
The Summit is dealing with non-capsuleer perceptions and analysis of capsuleer efforts to establish mixed communities of non-capsuleers involved in their humanitarian programs. DSTON has been scratching our collective head on this issue since we first began to rescue both slaves and slavers, sometimes in the same deathcan.
This is all I am going to post at this time but I have asked Ston Momaki to comment, because his experience in this issue predates mine, and DSTON dealt with some of these issue in the past.
Dr. Tahrmal Nalthkh CEO, DSTON Rescue Pilot |
Tahrmal Nalthkh
Disciples of Ston
126
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Posted - 2014.05.11 00:29:36 -
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Is a small scale cultural integration possible? Should such an effort be successful, could it lead to larger scale cultural integration?
Participants: Hedion: Professor of cultural anthropology Hedion: Professor of economics Pator Tech: Professor of Political Science and International Trade Republic University: Professor of Urban Studies
This is as much information about the participants that I have permission to share. Each is experienced in diplomatic efforts in addition to their academic responsibilities.
The Summit is dealing with non-capsuleer perceptions and analysis of capsuleer efforts to establish mixed communities of non-capsuleers involved in their humanitarian programs. DSTON has been scratching our collective head on this issue since we first began to rescue both slaves and slavers, sometimes in the same deathcan.
This is all I am going to post at this time but I have asked Ston Momaki to comment, because his experience in this issue predates mine, and DSTON dealt with some of these issue in the past.
Dr. Tahrmal Nalthkh
CEO, DSTON
Rescue Pilot
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Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
1357
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Posted - 2014.05.11 17:25:00 -
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Our idealism is both our best friend and our worst enemy. DSTON is fueled by idealism. Without it we would not continue doing our work. However, that same idealism has generated our worst blunders. Why? Sometimes idealism, especially the kind that drive humanitarian efforts, peaceful efforts, humanism in general, can blind a person or organization to the reality of persistent issues of human nature. We see what we want to see rather than what is really out there. The same value can be light to show the path and a GÇ£blinding fault.GÇ¥
That said, sometime good advice comes from unexpected areas. Quite some time ago, I had sought feedback in this forum about plans to incorporate rescued slavers in rehabilitation programs involving community service in our Matriculation Centers. Capsuleer pilot Istvaan Shogaatsu raised the red flag and returned sound advice to us to slow down and take a closer look at the social ramifications of such plans. This is tough medicine for idealists such as ourselves to swallow. But, we did. We delayed that program, and it is still in delay mode until we are sure it would do more good than harm.
We are still asking the same questions today and that is the reason for the summit. Early reports from the Summit confirm what we guessed: Small scale successes in project oriented cultural integrations do not translate into larger scale projects. Larger numbers typically lead to exponential social problems. This feels like a knife to the heart of the Idealist who wants everyone to get along and for society to progress. These things require more time than we sometimes possess the patience for.
Example: Even in the massive infrastructure of the station housing our Kaap Center, we still set the critical mass of rescued slavers at about 50 before we transfer them to the D-Center in Yulai. Even just the knowledge that there are a GÇ£bunchGÇ¥ of those guys on the station, sets the rest of the M-Center twitchy. Our current policy is one of separation. It is not our ideal.
We look forward to hearing the Summit report.
The Disciples of Ston bid you peace |
Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
1382
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Posted - 2014.05.11 17:25:29 -
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Our idealism is both our best friend and our worst enemy. DSTON is fueled by idealism. Without it we would not continue doing our work. However, that same idealism has generated our worst blunders. Why? Sometimes idealism, especially the kind that drive humanitarian efforts, peaceful efforts, humanism in general, can blind a person or organization to the reality of persistent issues of human nature. We see what we want to see rather than what is really out there. The same value can be light to show the path and a GÇ£blinding fault.GÇ¥
That said, sometime good advice comes from unexpected areas. Quite some time ago, I had sought feedback in this forum about plans to incorporate rescued slavers in rehabilitation programs involving community service in our Matriculation Centers. Capsuleer pilot Istvaan Shogaatsu raised the red flag and returned sound advice to us to slow down and take a closer look at the social ramifications of such plans. This is tough medicine for idealists such as ourselves to swallow. But, we did. We delayed that program, and it is still in delay mode until we are sure it would do more good than harm.
We are still asking the same questions today and that is the reason for the summit. Early reports from the Summit confirm what we guessed: Small scale successes in project oriented cultural integrations do not translate into larger scale projects. Larger numbers typically lead to exponential social problems. This feels like a knife to the heart of the Idealist who wants everyone to get along and for society to progress. These things require more time than we sometimes possess the patience for.
Example: Even in the massive infrastructure of the station housing our Kaap Center, we still set the critical mass of rescued slavers at about 50 before we transfer them to the D-Center in Yulai. Even just the knowledge that there are a GÇ£bunchGÇ¥ of those guys on the station, sets the rest of the M-Center twitchy. Our current policy is one of separation. It is not our ideal.
We look forward to hearing the Summit report.
The Disciples of Ston bid you peace
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
534
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Posted - 2014.05.11 18:34:00 -
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It is still my recommendation that slavers be returned to their empires of origin. If their practices were illegal, then they will face appropriate justice for their actions. If they were not, as is the case for most slavers of origin in the Amarr Empire, then it is immoral to keep them detained. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
816
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Posted - 2014.05.11 18:34:52 -
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It is still my recommendation that slavers be returned to their empires of origin. If their practices were illegal, then they will face appropriate justice for their actions. If they were not, as is the case for most slavers of origin in the Amarr Empire, then it is immoral to keep them detained. |
Deitra Vess
S.E.B.I.E.S.T.O.R.
18
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Posted - 2014.05.11 19:30:00 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:It is still my recommendation that slavers be returned to their empires of origin. If their practices were illegal, then they will face appropriate justice for their actions. If they were not, as is the case for most slavers of origin in the Amarr Empire, then it is immoral to keep them detained.
If they left their area to do what would be deemed illegal in the area they were operating in, shouldn't they still be held accountable for their actions? |
Deitra Vess
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
72
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Posted - 2014.05.11 19:30:43 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:It is still my recommendation that slavers be returned to their empires of origin. If their practices were illegal, then they will face appropriate justice for their actions. If they were not, as is the case for most slavers of origin in the Amarr Empire, then it is immoral to keep them detained.
If they left their area to do what would be deemed illegal in the area they were operating in, shouldn't they still be held accountable for their actions? |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
534
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Posted - 2014.05.11 19:37:00 -
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Of course. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
816
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Posted - 2014.05.11 19:37:36 -
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Of course. I didn't say they shouldn't? |
Deitra Vess
S.E.B.I.E.S.T.O.R.
18
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Posted - 2014.05.12 01:16:00 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Of course. I didn't say they shouldn't?
I might have misunderstood what you were saying, im saying if they were caught in a place where its illegal they should face the conscequences of their actions in the area they were caught, I mean why let them get a slap on the wrist if they knowingly went over a place they know its illegal and did it anyways. It may be legal where they come from, but not everywhere... |
Deitra Vess
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
72
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Posted - 2014.05.12 01:16:39 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Of course. I didn't say they shouldn't?
I might have misunderstood what you were saying, im saying if they were caught in a place where its illegal they should face the conscequences of their actions in the area they were caught, I mean why let them get a slap on the wrist if they knowingly went over a place they know its illegal and did it anyways. It may be legal where they come from, but not everywhere... |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
534
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Posted - 2014.05.12 01:47:00 -
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It is intergalactic law. You're mistaken if you think a slaver conducting illegal slavetaking outside the Empire would be given leniency in Imperial courts.
This is not a matter of 'being caught'. The Disciples are not a police force. They are humanitarians rescuing people from deathcans and other life-threatening situations (and most of these rescues happen in Amarr space, by the way). It is only appropriate that citizens be returned to their home empires and, if they were involved in any criminal activity, that they be tried accordingly. This might entail extradition to other empires for crimes committed there, according to established extradition treaties, or punishment at home. Either way, it is a matter that should be handled by formal authorities. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
816
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Posted - 2014.05.12 01:47:05 -
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It is intergalactic law. You're mistaken if you think a slaver conducting illegal slavetaking outside the Empire would be given leniency in Imperial courts.
This is not a matter of 'being caught'. The Disciples are not a police force. They are humanitarians rescuing people from deathcans and other life-threatening situations (and most of these rescues happen in Amarr space, by the way). It is only appropriate that citizens be returned to their home empires and, if they were involved in any criminal activity, that they be tried accordingly. This might entail extradition to other empires for crimes committed there, according to established extradition treaties, or punishment at home. Either way, it is a matter that should be handled by formal authorities. |
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