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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.08 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
I kind of see what you are saying. I'd just think Brits would be used to their American counterparts enough to know this quirk and not be overly offended by it especially since you are literally profiting from it. It's not as if they are doing a bad thing to you. Just like I doubt any Brit would get their panties in a twist when a Yank says "trunk" instead of "boot" and so on.
That rather depends on how well acquainted your average pub bartender is with American tipping practices. I'll give you a hint- it's probably pretty similar to how well acquainted American bartenders are with British tipping practices.
When someone does something rude, most people just think "oh, how rude". They might think "oh, they're American, and that rude thing they did is actually a perfectly acceptable practice in the States, and their heart was in the right place after all, so I'm not that bothered". They're more likely to think the former though, and be left feeling a bit awkward. ------
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich You can even get a midget with a camera to sit on the floorboard.
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.07.08 21:36:00 -
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Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 08/07/2008 21:40:56
Originally by: Patch86
That rather depends on how well acquainted your average pub bartender is with American tipping practices. I'll give you a hint- it's probably pretty similar to how well acquainted American bartenders are with British tipping practices.
I guess I expect people today to be generally more aware of social customs of others. At least with those countries with which they tend to have a fair amount of contact (e.g. I would not expect an American to be aware of local customs in the Ivory Coast off hand).
Long before I ever traveled to Europe I had heard of the tipping differences (friends and family or just stories you pick up). I never thought it was rude to tip but just optional.
I will say, unfortunately, that an American bartender, even if aware of British tipping customs, still would be put out for getting no tip since it is actually most of their income.
EDIT: Not arguing with you and I will keep it in mind for next time I visit GB. Just curious how it all works is all.
-------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.07.08 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Originally by: Patch86
That rather depends on how well acquainted your average pub bartender is with American tipping practices. I'll give you a hint- it's probably pretty similar to how well acquainted American bartenders are with British tipping practices.
I guess I expect people today to be generally more aware of social customs of others. At least with those countries with which they tend to have a fair amount of contact (e.g. I would not expect an American to be aware of local customs in the Ivory Coast off hand).
Long before I ever traveled to Europe I had heard of the tipping differences (friends and family or just stories you pick up). I never thought it was rude to tip but just optional.
I will say, unfortunately, that an American bartender, even if aware of British tipping customs, still would be put out for getting no tip since it is actually most of their income.
I will check with the bar tender for myself this evening. But as for me I was completely unaware of the tipping practices of our friends in European nations. I would also say that most people I know that have worked in the resturant buisness would be less offended of their small tips if they new that is how things worked in most of Europe. Well maybe not, but it may take a little of the sting out to know that they are not being tipped on purpose. At least they may be able to tactfully start a converstation about the situation and how tipping is necessary in the states.
Funny story though. I was a stage hand breaking down a Cirque De Sole (sp?) show one time. One of the janitors tried to drop some change in the hand of one of the European musicians that was exiting the stage area. I saw an utter look of disgust on the musicians face when the janitor did this. I thought the look was for the fact that the guy was only tipping him pocket change and saw this as an insult. Well it now looks like the musician would have been offended if the tip was a hundred dollars.
Learn things daily or stagnate.
Slade
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Isiskhan
Gnostic Misanthropy
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Posted - 2008.07.08 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Just like I doubt any Brit would get their panties in a twist when a Yank says "trunk" instead of "boot" and so on.
There's a particular word usage difference between Spaniards and Mexicans that seems to provide the latter with an endless source of amusement when around the former.
"Coger" means "To take" in Spanish, and while in Spain it is a word used as commonly as its English counterpart in the US/UK, in Mexico for whatever reason it became long time ago a slang word for "F*ck", and it's not usually used otherwise - they use the synonym "Tomar" instead.
So when a Spaniard goes to Mexico, even though many locals may be aware of the cultural difference regarding that word, they can't help but to contain a chuckle as the first thing their brains register are phrases such as "I'm off to f*ck the bus" or "Please f*ck that zucchini and pass it on to me".
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.07.08 21:56:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon I will check with the bar tender for myself this evening. But as for me I was completely unaware of the tipping practices of our friends in European nations. I would also say that most people I know that have worked in the resturant buisness would be less offended of their small tips if they new that is how things worked in most of Europe. Well maybe not, but it may take a little of the sting out to know that they are not being tipped on purpose. At least they may be able to tactfully start a converstation about the situation and how tipping is necessary in the states.
The airlines (or cruise ship) really should hand out a little card to all the passengers that detail a few of the local customs that might constitute a "gotcha" they would innocently step into otherwise. I know my parents got one going to Singapore but I suspect it was to avoid tossing tourists in jail for screwing up (e.g. chewing gum). Or make it a page in their airline magazine that is in every pocket. Need not be a lengthy list but could avoid a lot of simple misunderstandings.
-------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
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Suze'Rain
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.09 00:31:00 -
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Personally, I'd say it's the americans who, every year, stand on Edinburgh's Princes' Street with a massive spur of fortified volcanic rock literally looming over their shoulder clearly visible to all, and yell "Hey! you! Where's Eeedinboro Castle?"....
*twitch* The Fringe is up next month. Oh, God.
*shudder*
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Isiskhan
Gnostic Misanthropy
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Posted - 2008.07.09 00:50:00 -
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Top tip for tourists coming to Madrid: aside from what's been mentioned already regarding tipping, if you ever go to the tapas terraces in the popular and very touristy central plazas of the city (such as Plaza Mayor), do try to look and act as little touristy as possible and do check your bill carefully.
The more touristy you appear in these particular places, the higher the possibility they may make an innocent mistake in your bill that will invariably be on their favour. If you happen to be Japanese, the odds rise up significantly too.
As far as I know that's only been reported in those particular places, outside of the obvious tourists traps I haven't heard about this peculiar phenomenon, though.
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.07.09 02:56:00 -
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Originally by: Suze'Rain Personally, I'd say it's the americans who, every year, stand on Edinburgh's Princes' Street with a massive spur of fortified volcanic rock literally looming over their shoulder clearly visible to all, and yell "Hey! you! Where's Eeedinboro Castle?"....
*twitch* The Fringe is up next month. Oh, God.
*shudder*
My apologies for us "Americans" that do not know every historically significant place in Europe much less the pronunciation. I am pretty sure there are numerous places that I could take you in the states that you would have no clue the importance of the place and how to pronounce it. That does not qualify as obnoxious in my book.
P.S. You know that technically when all of us say Americans we are including all of Canada, Central America, and South America in our generalizations.
Slade
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pwnedgato
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Posted - 2008.07.09 02:58:00 -
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Yeah I'd bet at least 2 American Pesos that most of you Europeans in this thread don't know where the worlds largest ball of yarn is or even the largest nonstick frying pan.
Originally by: Crumplecorn These is a forum for this.
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Polonium 210
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Posted - 2008.07.09 06:00:00 -
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Originally by: Isiskhan Top tip for tourists coming to Madrid: aside from what's been mentioned already regarding tipping, if you ever go to the tapas terraces in the popular and very touristy central plazas of the city (such as Plaza Mayor), do try to look and act as little touristy as possible and do check your bill carefully.
Nothing gave him away as a foreiner - neither his unability to speak local language, nor his foreign currency, nor dragged along parachute...
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Suze'Rain
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.09 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon
My apologies for us "Americans" that do not know every historically significant place in Europe much less the pronunciation. I am pretty sure there are numerous places that I could take you in the states that you would have no clue the importance of the place and how to pronounce it. That does not qualify as obnoxious in my book.
P.S. You know that technically when all of us say Americans we are including all of Canada, Central America, and South America in our generalizations.
Slade
Ok, perhaps I should clarify. View from Princes Street big wikipedia photo.
*that* is the view from Princes street gardens, at the side of Princes Street.
I(and others I know) have had the dubious pleasure of North American gentlemen stop me in the street with "hey you!" not "hey, excuse me" or anything polite, but "hey you!"... which puts me on edge. that's the sort of greeting you get from someone about to chib you, not someone wanting help. They've then proceeded to ask me where the castle is.
Really. I mean, if they asked where's Holyrood Palace, I'd be fine, give 'em directions, or even "what way it it to the Royal Mile?", after all, it can be hard to get your bearings in a new city... "where's the castle," however... that's a bit like standing on the Palais de Chailot and asking for the eiffel tower, or standing on the corner of Marina and Fillmore and yelling "where's the Golden Gate bridge?" There's a *!?@ing great monolith of rock with walls and cannon on top... d'y think that could possibly be... the castle?
its the combination of utter lack of manners with the sheer magnitude of what they're ignoring that bugs me.
and yes, there's places in Swamp Gulch National Park that I'd have no clue about... But I'd hope that before I got there, I'd have a chance to get a book and look online, and find out what beautiful or incredible things there are,like when I travelled accross most of the western seaboard - (including going through books to find all the little hidden gems.)
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DarknessInc
Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2008.07.09 12:05:00 -
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White folks in general.
In my time living in Nepal, I met so many people that refused to eat from a street side cart or go into a small, family run shop. They always wanted to go where the other tourists went and never off the beaten path.
And they were so germophobic. If something had a drop of water they didnt know where it came from, they'd ask for another glass or for it to be wiped away. EVEN WHEN DRINKING Nepali Milk Tea that was around 120+ degrees hot out of metal cups. Jesus
I always got the weirdest looks because instead of eating with the tourists, hanging out with the tourists and acting like them, I hung out with nepalis, ate like one and acted generally like one. Even learning the language so when I went to stores and shops, I could do business in nepali.
Now thats a tourist. Adapt to the culture your visiting BUT DONT Fashion Massacre it and buying everything that looks "cultural" and then wear it thinking your blending it. Truth is, you dont and everyone is having a laugh. And learn the DAMN LOCAL LANGUAGE by interacting and making friends with the local population. Have them teach you a little and listen a bit.
In my 2 months in Nepal, I learned more Nepalese than my friend who had been going on and off for the past 3 years.
Originally by: Viator Pilot Now I will go back to agents, already without the desire of adventures on the ass :)
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.07.09 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Suze'Rain
Originally by: Slade Trillgon
My apologies for us "Americans" that do not know every historically significant place in Europe much less the pronunciation. I am pretty sure there are numerous places that I could take you in the states that you would have no clue the importance of the place and how to pronounce it. That does not qualify as obnoxious in my book.
P.S. You know that technically when all of us say Americans we are including all of Canada, Central America, and South America in our generalizations.
Slade
Ok, perhaps I should clarify. View from Princes Street big wikipedia photo.
*that* is the view from Princes street gardens, at the side of Princes Street.
I(and others I know) have had the dubious pleasure of North American gentlemen stop me in the street with "hey you!" not "hey, excuse me" or anything polite, but "hey you!"... which puts me on edge. that's the sort of greeting you get from someone about to chib you, not someone wanting help. They've then proceeded to ask me where the castle is.
Really. I mean, if they asked where's Holyrood Palace, I'd be fine, give 'em directions, or even "what way it it to the Royal Mile?", after all, it can be hard to get your bearings in a new city... "where's the castle," however... that's a bit like standing on the Palais de Chailot and asking for the eiffel tower, or standing on the corner of Marina and Fillmore and yelling "where's the Golden Gate bridge?" There's a *!?@ing great monolith of rock with walls and cannon on top... d'y think that could possibly be... the castle?
its the combination of utter lack of manners with the sheer magnitude of what they're ignoring that bugs me.
and yes, there's places in Swamp Gulch National Park that I'd have no clue about... But I'd hope that before I got there, I'd have a chance to get a book and look online, and find out what beautiful or incredible things there are,like when I travelled accross most of the western seaboard - (including going through books to find all the little hidden gems.)
LMAO!!! I do apologize for the idiots that represented us in these cases.
Do not know how they could miss that. I thought you actually ment a pile of rocks was what they were missing, but you were being sarcastic. Now I see the light. LOL
As for how they approached you, do not take offense to that. Those type of idiots do the same thing here and probably get the same type of reaction you gave them or worse.
Once again, I do not support going to another country ignorant of what you are getting into. One of the primary reasons I have not made it out of the states. That and lack of money to travel.
Slade
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.07.09 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Suze'Rain Ok, perhaps I should clarify. View from Princes Street big wikipedia photo.
*that* is the view from Princes street gardens, at the side of Princes Street.
I(and others I know) have had the dubious pleasure of North American gentlemen stop me in the street with "hey you!" not "hey, excuse me" or anything polite, but "hey you!"... which puts me on edge. that's the sort of greeting you get from someone about to chib you, not someone wanting help. They've then proceeded to ask me where the castle is.
Being impolite is inexcusable and if they asked in that fashion I'd have some snarky answers at the ready and/or point them in the opposite direction.
However, given the glaring obviousness of the castle I suspect what they are really asking is how the hell they get up there. Unless you happen to have several castles scattered about the town (all Americans know all Brits live in castles).
-------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
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Imperator Jora'h
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Posted - 2008.07.09 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: DarknessInc And they were so germophobic. If something had a drop of water they didnt know where it came from, they'd ask for another glass or for it to be wiped away. EVEN WHEN DRINKING Nepali Milk Tea that was around 120+ degrees hot out of metal cups. Jesus
My roommate went to Nigeria (I think...might be remembering wrong) for three weeks to help build a hospital and other things with a group of people. The squalor in the major cities he described was nothing short of amazing. Garbage in mountains right around where people lived. When it rained the streets flooded and you were essentially walking through raw sewage including human and animal waste. Every single one of the people in the group he was with got pink eye and some came down with worse infections (despite having all relevant shots before traveling).
I am not suggesting all places in Africa are similar or necessarily even close but sanitation can be a legitimate concern. Even if the locale is clean locals tend to have germs their bodies have adapted to but are new to visitors. That is where the stories of "Don't drink the water in Mexico" came from. The locals are fine and not sick at all but things in the water are new to a visitor and can give you the trots in a serious way for a few days.
You should not be rude about such things but neither should you be blithely unaware or unconcerned about it either. Generally this is not an issue when visiting modern western countries which have sanitation well under control (usually...there are some street vendors in the US I would not trust buying food from).
-------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
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Xrak
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.07.09 13:53:00 -
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Wow, this thread just made tipping incredibly over complicated. Keep it simple.
All you need to know for tipping in the UK is that it is not mandatory and done as a optional extra if you think the staff deserve it. When it comes to food, 10% is the general amount tipped. At the bar/pub either "Get yourself one if you want" or "Keep the change". And as mentioned, tipping every time at the bar will be perceived as showing an interest in that member of staff (if you get served by the same person).
When I worked in a bar, I got "keep the change" more often then being bought a drink since the price of drinks aren't all that cheap. Anyone who gets offended in the UK from being offered a tip of any size is an idiot if you ask me.
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P'uck
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Posted - 2008.07.09 14:56:00 -
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I just want to throw in something, quickly:
There is only ONE thing that is worse than prejudices. The french.
And: you all remember that james bond-parody simpsons episode, do you? When Mr. Scorpio asks Homer whether he should destroy Italy or France, Homer shouts "ITALY" with a \o/ gesture.
and scropio silently ponders "Strange, why doesnt anybody EVER say france?"
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Suze'Rain
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.09 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Being impolite is inexcusable and if they asked in that fashion I'd have some snarky answers at the ready and/or point them in the opposite direction.
We do... we stick 'em on the bus to Craigmillar Castle instead.... which conveniently runs along princes street. a smile and a wave, and watch them get driven off towards a castle... in the middle of a housing estate.
I sometimes wonder if any come back alive.
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.07.09 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich I like the chinese tourists myself. Takes a half hour to explain to them where something is but it's great when you get the group OOOOOOOOOOOOH!
hahahahahaaaa when I was in the royal guard i dunno howmany chineese tried to enter the premiss of the palace, was funny every time I shouted at them "HALT", they shit their pants hahahaha ________________________ Comming back June 5th...
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Slade Trillgon
Siorai Iontach Brotherhood of the Spider
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Posted - 2008.07.09 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Suze'Rain
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Being impolite is inexcusable and if they asked in that fashion I'd have some snarky answers at the ready and/or point them in the opposite direction.
We do... we stick 'em on the bus to Craigmillar Castle instead.... which conveniently runs along princes street. a smile and a wave, and watch them get driven off towards a castle... in the middle of a housing estate.
I sometimes wonder if any come back alive.
I guess a housing estate is a not so plesent place to go. I take it that is the UKs term for low income government assisted housing, like what we in the states call projects?
Slade
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Malcanis
We are Legend
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Posted - 2008.07.09 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Trillgon
Originally by: Suze'Rain
Originally by: Imperator Jora'h
Being impolite is inexcusable and if they asked in that fashion I'd have some snarky answers at the ready and/or point them in the opposite direction.
We do... we stick 'em on the bus to Craigmillar Castle instead.... which conveniently runs along princes street. a smile and a wave, and watch them get driven off towards a castle... in the middle of a housing estate.
I sometimes wonder if any come back alive.
I guess a housing estate is a not so plesent place to go. I take it that is the UKs term for low income government assisted housing, like what we in the states call projects?
Slade
Yeah pretty much. Well there are nice estates but from context it's clear that he means the burned out car dead dog in the street smack dealer on every road kind.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.09 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Imperator Jora'h I never thought it was rude to tip but just optional.
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EDIT: Not arguing with you and I will keep it in mind for next time I visit GB. Just curious how it all works is all.
I'll save you from another pit-trap there, too- in some circumstances it is rude to tip, in other circumstances it's rude not to tip
Its a mine field, and I can only suggest you buy a really good guide book if ever you go anywhere abroad. Its what I do ------
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich You can even get a midget with a camera to sit on the floorboard.
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Ultin Harvor
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Posted - 2008.07.09 23:22:00 -
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Edited by: Ultin Harvor on 09/07/2008 23:23:02
Originally by: P'uck I just want to throw in something, quickly:
There is only ONE thing that is worse than prejudices. The french.
And: you all remember that james bond-parody simpsons episode, do you? When Mr. Scorpio asks Homer whether he should destroy Italy or France, Homer shouts "ITALY" with a \o/ gesture.
and scropio silently ponders "Strange, why doesnt anybody EVER say france?"
God bless sarcasm
EDIT: And if you weren't being sarcastic (I highly doubt you weren't), it's the other way round.
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Suze'Rain
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.10 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Slade Trillgon
I guess a housing estate is a not so plesent place to go. I take it that is the UKs term for low income government assisted housing, like what we in the states call projects?
Yeah pretty much. Well there are nice estates but from context it's clear that he means the burned out car dead dog in the street smack dealer on every road kind.
Not quite that bad...
if we wanted to sent them there I'd stick 'em on a #27 to Muirhouse.... which is a bit like beirut circa 1986, only with worse climate and less friendly locals. and probably more AK47s...
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2008.07.10 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: pwnedgato Yeah I'd bet at least 2 American Pesos that most of you Europeans in this thread don't know where the worlds largest ball of yarn is or even the largest nonstick frying pan.
We're not obsessed with size.
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Suze'Rain
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.07.10 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: Wendat Huron
Originally by: pwnedgato Yeah I'd bet at least 2 American Pesos that most of you Europeans in this thread don't know where the worlds largest ball of yarn is or even the largest nonstick frying pan.
We're not obsessed with size.
....said the actress to the bishop.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2008.07.10 02:19:00 -
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Originally by: Suze'Rain
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Slade Trillgon
I guess a housing estate is a not so plesent place to go. I take it that is the UKs term for low income government assisted housing, like what we in the states call projects?
Yeah pretty much. Well there are nice estates but from context it's clear that he means the burned out car dead dog in the street smack dealer on every road kind.
Not quite that bad...
if we wanted to sent them there I'd stick 'em on a #27 to Muirhouse.... which is a bit like beirut circa 1986, only with worse climate and less friendly locals. and probably more AK47s...
Its strange seeing someone on an internet spaceship forum describe places so close to me with freakish accuracy ...
Where abouts you from then?
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pwnedgato
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Posted - 2008.07.10 02:35:00 -
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Edited by: pwnedgato on 10/07/2008 02:35:19
Originally by: Suze'Rain
Originally by: Wendat Huron
Originally by: pwnedgato Yeah I'd bet at least 2 American Pesos that most of you Europeans in this thread don't know where the worlds largest ball of yarn is or even the largest nonstick frying pan.
We're not obsessed with size.
....said the actress to the bishop.
I had to Google that line about the bishop and actress, and whatever you are talking about is still few miles over my head (must be part of being an American). Care to elaborate?
Originally by: Crumplecorn These is a forum for this.
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Taradis
Amarr The Imperial Assassins
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Posted - 2008.07.11 07:14:00 -
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South FL specially Miami is like an extension of cuba. I haven't been their yet and I live in Jacksonville FL lol but from what I hear you need to be almost fluent in spanish to get newhere in that area lol but as far as rude tourists go i would have to say the rich Arabs they are pusy as hell and expect to be waited on hand and foot.
I have helped people navigate around Jacksonville that are from Ireland and England mostly which ways the beach lol
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Janus Duo
Gallente Down In Flames
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Posted - 2008.07.11 08:50:00 -
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Originally by: pwnedgato I had to Google that line about the bishop and actress, and whatever you are talking about is still few miles over my head (must be part of being an American). Care to elaborate?
It's simply a all-purpose colloquialism that points out double entendres, intentional or not.
ie Your reply "we're not obsessed with size" has the double meaning of not only what it seems to say in context of the conversation, but also could be a reference to male genitalia.
Thus: "said the actress to the bishop".
It's a more proper form of "That's what she said"
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