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Sgt Razak
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Posted - 2008.10.23 07:43:00 -
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Edited by: Sgt Razak on 23/10/2008 07:45:10
Originally by: ju4n1ta Being able to spawn 10 titan pilots with fitted ships (if you can buy your self titan pilot at will you can also sell it and use ISK to buy ships and modules) is bad. Not only because it gives rich RL people an advantage, but because it would really become Sisi for rich people. It would mean fall of most 0.0 entities because some1 could afford 300 man BS fleet with supercap support waiting to jump in. All "built" in one day, noone saw it coming.
Your idea is bad. You should use search options to find older threads, read them, really read them and try to figure out why this would be bad for the game (maybe not bad for you, but definitely bad for the game). If you still don't get it then make a new thread and ask people to explain the obvious.
A) Being able to spawn x titans and x BS pilots is bad? Sounds fun. How many Titans are built by NPCs in game? If your answer is none then in game economics will solve the problem. Traders and producers will get more demand therefore increasing profits far and above what a simple bot mining for isk will be able to keep up with.
B) If you can buy yourself a titan pilot then there will be no need to trade for one so therefore the titan pilot will not be trade-able for isk.
C) Rich people are not being given an advantage if those posting before are correct because the less wealthy can still enjoy all of eve in all its glory. People with more money will simply have the possibility opened for them to engage in different activities.
D) The fall of current 0.0 entities would mean the rise of new ones or even a period of great flux before someone can figure out how to control space with a total warfare platform.
E) If my idea is bad you should be able to show me why my idea is bad. That you don't like it is obvious and valid. But your dislike does not make my idea a bad idea.
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2008.10.23 10:23:00 -
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Originally by: Sgt Razak I am not fully up on my eve history, but... that mentioned historical indecent wouldn't have happened before max HP was buffed by any chance?
In any event arguing from the extremes is a bad way to build a case. Even if it were possible for 2 rifters to take on 2 cruisers and a BC once. It certainly isn't a viable battle plan. It got posted as a noteworthy event on the net for a reason. Unless you have unlimited disposable rifters and a lemmings outlook on war, it won't be much use.
No, nor is it an example from extremes.
Goonswarm Alliance history
And the emergence of strategies and tactics like goonswarm uses is why your idea is inherently bad.
Originally by: Signature Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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Avenger Garius
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Posted - 2008.10.23 10:40:00 -
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Elena Morin'staal
Minmatar Tau Online Explorator Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.23 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: Avenger Garius
To add - WoW = >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That way :)
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Avenger Garius
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Posted - 2008.10.23 11:00:00 -
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Originally by: Elena Morin'staal To add - WoW = >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That way :)
Done Cause phail thread is fail.
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Astria Tiphareth
Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.10.23 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Sgt Razak Start a new toon.
Don't give it isk.
Play it for a month.
See if you would stay.
I did. This character. Started a year ago, enjoyed every minute of it. EVE is a game with long-term goals and equally long-term satisfaction. It is not a game for instant gratification. Patience is a virtue. I could add more clichTs, but the above covers the sentiment really.
Oh and the SP training time forces you to pick a path, not be brilliant at absolutely everything in 6 months. ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties... Environmental Effects
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Wesdon Carline
Amarr Mercantile Investments Novus Aevum
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Posted - 2008.10.23 11:26:00 -
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Hell no **** No NEIN Negative NO Nope Not Denied Disapproved
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Ambulation 2008
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Posted - 2008.10.23 11:52:00 -
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yeah you just found the best way to ruin the whole game well if CCP listened to you that would ruin the game in like a couple month
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Wesdon Carline
Amarr Mercantile Investments Novus Aevum
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Posted - 2008.10.23 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Sgt Razak Start a new toon.
Don't give it isk.
Play it for a month.
See if you would stay.
This char is new. Point?
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Sir Substance
Minmatar Sub Standard Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.23 11:59:00 -
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yet another case of failure denial.
i casually flipped over the responses to your proposal, and didnt see any positive or even neutral ones.
your idea is a bad one. accept it, move on, stop making an arse of yourself. |
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H Lecter
Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2008.10.23 12:23:00 -
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I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and don't assume that you're a troll...
Whenever I cheated in a computer game to get my hands on the good stuff early it became boring very very quickly. It's simply 'been there, done that' - no feeling of success, no reward by being able to use that fancy stuff because I did not 'work' for it.
CCP will not allow it, as they would run out of players quickly. And let's be honest Razak - you would fly around in your shiny Titan, eventually get popped and then you'd say 'Nah, what a crappy game'.
If you don't want to play for a considerable time this is definitely not your game. There are some nice single player space ship games out there, like X3 - I'm sure there are cheats available to get the biggest badass ship on day one and set your wallet to 999999999999 billions of ingame currency. Enjoy the shiny ships, get bored and stop playing.
Or if you just play Eve for 6 months and really specialize on one thing - like interceptors and all related support skills, then you can become really good in that niche and kick serious ass. While you're on the way there you will also be far from useless if you fly with a group of like minded people.
Anyway, if you decide to leave - let me have your stuff, I'll put it to good use!
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KustoMKilleR
Caldari Nexus Consortium
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Posted - 2008.10.23 13:13:00 -
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i have read every post you have made in response to other people in this thread. not once have you provided a justification for your idea to be implemented. if you cannot be bothered to actually EARN your SP like every single player in this game (account buyers excluded) then you should find another game to play cause that is not what eve is about |
Chrocell
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Posted - 2008.10.23 13:37:00 -
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This already exists....
1) Create an account 2) Buy GTCs 3) Sell GTCs for ISK 4) Buy high SP character with ISK 5) ... 10)Profit |
Ashley Thomas
Kiith Paktu Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2008.10.23 14:12:00 -
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this point i see made all the time to justify buying points. problem is there's one thing included in the current method of buying a good skillpoint character that isn't ever mentioned... time. you may have not of spent the time training the character to a matar pvp god or titan parking garage alt, but someone somewhere had to actually spend the time to do so, and allot of time in most cases.
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Rutger Centemus
Gallente Jel Laboratories Ltd.
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Posted - 2008.10.23 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Chrocell This already exists....
1) Create an account 2) Buy GTCs 3) Sell GTCs for ISK 4) Buy high SP character with ISK 5) use GTC's / Ebay to get ISK 6) Use said ISK to buy and lolfit a big ship 7) Loose said ship (probably in a dramatic / comedic* way 8) Cry on forums, get spanked for "lolfitting this or that ship" 9) Quit eve
*depending on point of view
Fixed your post. *** My opinions are my own, and don't necessarily represent those of my corpmembers. |
Pesadel0
Vagabundos
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Posted - 2008.10.23 17:26:00 -
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No.
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Becky Ash
Animus Incarnate
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Posted - 2008.10.23 18:41:00 -
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Edited by: Becky Ash on 23/10/2008 18:41:24 beaten |
Ed Gein
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.23 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: Sgt Razak Start a new toon.
Don't give it isk.
Play it for a month.
See if you would stay.
Yes because we all just started with 10M skillpoints when we first made our characters. |
Johli
Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.10.23 20:18:00 -
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Please be a troll.
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BeardedPostman
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Posted - 2008.10.23 23:24:00 -
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i would love to be able to buy skill points with isk or with real money i mean paying for the subscription to eve each month is basically the same as paying for skill points.
$14.95 month = (however many skill points you trained that month)
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BeardedPostman
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Posted - 2008.10.23 23:31:00 -
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All the people that are saying no are all veterans = playing this game for way too long. This makes them all very bias. So Please CCP dont listen to them other wise you will continue to lose newer players that cant get a foothold in the game.
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Koyama Ise
Caldari Equestrian Knight Order of Lolicon
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Posted - 2008.10.23 23:51:00 -
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Edited by: Koyama Ise on 23/10/2008 23:53:42
Originally by: BeardedPostman All the people that are saying no are all veterans = playing this game for way too long. This makes them all very bias. So Please CCP dont listen to them other wise you will continue to lose newer players that cant get a foothold in the game.
The MAIN! BURN THE WITCH BURN THE WITCH!
Ohh and btw, no, bad feature, bad feature. Which is why CCP still hasn't implemented it even before it was suggested in the fail thread. It's been mentioned in others but still failed. |
Killian Bekker
Caldari Maximum Yarrage
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Posted - 2008.10.24 00:40:00 -
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Edited by: Killian Bekker on 24/10/2008 00:40:51
Originally by: Sgt Razak E) If my idea is bad you should be able to show me why my idea is bad. That you don't like it is obvious and valid. But your dislike does not make my idea a bad idea.
Let's break this down Sesame Street style for you.
1) Player A sells x GTC for x ISK from Player B. 2) Player A uses ISK to buy high SP character. 3) Following along? Good. 4) You just bought a character with lots of SP for real cash. 5) Still there? Awesome.
You've said you acknowledge that this practice occurs. So, why are you trying to get a feature that technically already exists? Because you are greedy, impatient and otherwise best described as a brat.
No, your character is never going to be as cool as the "older players" using your proposed idea, because we will see your char age, see you have high SP and have deduced you paid to skip training like the rest of us have. So, good luck on getting into a good Corp that probably won't ever accept you.
Now, using the established method you will get into a Corp, fly something uber. Lose it in some stupid manner and be labeled a n00b, kicked from your Corp and then pretty much be SOL for some time until you can prove your worth.
Either way, investing time is worth the wait and necessary. Guess what? Been playing 2 years and have a GREAT time playing and playing well. I work full-time, have a life outside of this computer and still enjoy EVE to it's fullest.
No, I'll never catch the players that started before me, like you'll never catch up to me. You want to know something? Having the most crap means squat. Take the time to learn the game. You will find that in the long run, it's more fun and more beneficial.
Then again, buy that uberomgwtfpwn char off the forums. I'd like nothing more than to see some hilarious YouTube footage of you getting ganked over and over because you don't understand the game and think you can buy your way in.
Your Idea = FAIL
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Blastil
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Posted - 2008.10.24 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Sgt Razak Start a new toon.
Don't give it isk.
Play it for a month.
See if you would stay.
Playing the game isn't fun if there isn't anything to do. You were able to do more with less when you started because the overall SP levels of other players was lower.
Having new things you could do was fun back when it meant something to fly the ships you trained into. Now you can keep on training and the ship that someone else will actually value in a fleet and will actually be able to provide anything more then negligible effect is months down the road for a new player.
Already bought the implants... already trained learning skill... thanks for the parenting but paying for a game I am bored at sucks. If it weren't for faction warfare I wouldn't even care enough to post here. But I think the game has a lot of potential, I would just like a chance to really get involved.
At 1 month I was flying a PVP viable ship, and fighting in 0.0. Noobs can fly ships too.
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Killian Bekker
Caldari Maximum Yarrage
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Posted - 2008.10.24 01:43:00 -
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Originally by: Blastil At 1 month I was flying a PVP viable ship, and fighting in 0.0. Noobs can fly ships too.
Not to mention fly them well. Minnie pilots are less than a few days from T2 guns if the proper background is chosen. Most can give you Frig IV, which can be nasty with the right fittings (assuming you pick a combat char).
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soldieroffortune 258
Gallente Trinity Council
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Posted - 2008.10.24 02:24:00 -
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Originally by: Jakooni No.
seconded
and thirded
and fourthed
and fifthed
and sixthed
and seventhed
and eighthed
and ninethed
and tenthed
WOW is that way
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Valuv
Placeholder Corporation
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Posted - 2008.10.24 02:35:00 -
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente Biotronics Inc. Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.10.24 02:35:00 -
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Other players have waited for their skills. So can you.
Btw. if you do it right your char can be PvP competitive in 3-4 months. PvE competitive in far less. Also the overall skill-system is still based on diminishing returns. You can catch up 80+% of the difference between you and an 'old' player in a very short time. There is no reason to give in to your impatience.
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Assens Letta
Hunerian Science Institute Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2008.10.24 02:50:00 -
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For argument sake, let us say that CCP does thisà
Would it create a level ground for all? No, it would not create a fair ground for all players.
1- the players that have invested time and patience in order to skill their characters correctly would have seen their time wasted in just a few days, the major focus would be on who has the more RL isk to invest in ships and skills.
2- Even for new players it would not make a level ground, there would be the new players without much RL isk and there would be the players with lots of RL isk to invest.
What would happen then?
My theory is that a lot of old-timers would drop out of the game, the same old-timers that have created one of the best player bases (if not the best) available in the internet. So in short there would be a mass exodus. Who would be left? The new players and their new shiny new chars levelled base for game play.... which would leave in a few weeks because the game would not be appealing anymore. The few RL rich people that would invest lots of isk in SPÆs and GTCÆs would have a few weeks pleasure pawning new players that could not afford the investment to compete with them, and then they too would move on. End game.
Making eve a mirror of what RL is, is not an option, in RL some people have plenty of money, some have more than others, to transport this to a gaming community is a serious mistake, CCP (and any other gaming company) strive to enlarge their player base as much as it is technically viable, by allowing people to ôbuyö SPÆs would make the game somewhat appealing to a few while driving away the vast majority. The short term result would a huge decrease of players and in due term the end of the game.
I sincerely do not think the OP meant this as a serious proposal, but just a way to play the role of devilÆs advocate, a nice way to get into a discussion, I really hope that the motive was that, because if it isnÆt, and this is meant as a serious proposal.... well let us just say that it must be one of the dumbest proposals around.
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