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Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.15 21:50:00 - [1] As a descendant of the great Admiral Yakia Tovil-Toba, I'm concerned about the wellbeing of the Caldari race. In the last months i had to observe a vicious dev conspiracy against Caldari, which was confirmed by some spies within CCP, who remained loyal towards the Caldari cause. Not long ago, a new generation of devs were set in charge, they gathered in a secret meeting and discussed how they can inflict harm to the Caldari. a) First they decided to boost the Amarr technology, a natural counter to Caldari ships due to the EM hole on Caldari shield-tanks. But this was not enough. b) They continued with the worst assault on Caldari since years, they horribly nerved the battleship-sized missiles, broke something that was in no way overpowered and that no one was complaining about. But this was not enough. c) They then had a 2nd view on Caldari battleships and found that they can only use medium drones as biggest drones, while many other races were able to field 5 heavy drones. They then decided that a nerf of medium drones would hit Caldari the most, and reduced their efficiency. But this was not enough. d) They thought about Caldari in general, and found that Caldari love to do missions a lot. They monitored the LP store items market and saw that there were NPC items which allowed to trade the lps for a flat-rate of 1000isk/LP. This items were placed in the LP stores in the course of a lowering of lps for implants, in order to keep the LP market stable. They removed this pillar, causing the LP value to crush and therefore hurt the Caldari financially. But still the Caldari remained strong. e) They sat down again and thought how they could hurt Caldari even more. They found that the Achura were quite popular due to his attribute settings. So they decided to introduce that attribute re-spec function in a M10 expansion, in order to obsolete the last little advantage of Caldari. And this is not the end, they for sure have more mean things in store for Caldari. How much can Caldari take ? Too bad the good old Admiral is dead and can't defend his race anymore against the forces of evil, that conspire against Caldari and work on their downfall.
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.02.15 21:54:00 - [2] Sig is now EVE related. Happy mods?
Cat o'Ninetails Rancer Defence Force	Posted - 2009.02.15 21:55:00 - [3] boost falcons Also, I believe that you should join Rancer Defence Force. It's cool.
Caldari Jesus State War Academy	Posted - 2009.02.15 22:12:00 - [4] OP has a point.
Katja Shade	Posted - 2009.02.15 22:14:00 - [5] Roleplay whining. Its 10% better than regular.
voogru Gallente Massive Damage United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2009.02.15 22:27:00 - [6] Edited by: voogru on 15/02/2009 22:27:49 60% of EVE players are Caldari. There are 4 races. And it probably has a lot to do with the fact that over the years, most stuff that was overpowered, was Caldari. 1. best attributes (caldari achura most popular caldari) 2. best ships (raven is most popular ship among 23/7 isk farmers, why?) 3. best weapons (remember when cruise missiles could be used on the kestrel) Of course, it's a bit more balanced now than it was previously, but you can't tell me nothing is wrong when a majority of the player base is Caldari. Hate Farmers? Click Here
Jacharian Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.15 22:38:00 - [7] Originally by: voogru you can't tell me nothing is wrong when a majority of the player base is Caldari. Don't really care to argue which race(s) need to be improved or not, but I would like to point out that it's not neccesarily the case that everybody, or even the majority, who rolls Caldari does so because of balancing. I mean, if you're new to the game and don't want to play the ex-slave, the guy in the robe or the French, there's not a lot of races left. That more or less sums up my character creation experience anyway.
Wa'roun Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2009.02.15 22:53:00 - [8] Originally by: Jacharian Originally by: voogru you can't tell me nothing is wrong when a majority of the player base is Caldari. Don't really care to argue which race(s) need to be improved or not, but I would like to point out that it's not neccesarily the case that everybody, or even the majority, who rolls Caldari does so because of balancing. I mean, if you're new to the game and don't want to play the ex-slave, the guy in the robe or the French, there's not a lot of races left. That more or less sums up my character creation experience anyway. Not everyone looks at the creation that way. You have the rigorous, dictatorial, mega-corp super capitalistic, extremely loyal to the corp (like Japanese/asian workers) Caldari, the democratic Gallente (western nations), theocratic Amarr (mid-east), or the rougher tribal Minmatar. Join channel: "Eve University" or read here
cpt Mark	Posted - 2009.02.15 23:00:00 - [9] Edited by: cpt Mark on 15/02/2009 23:01:01 A kestral can tank a Raven who has no drones.. because they've been destroyed somehow. EDIT: I have a ton of SP in missiles, and I only see 3 reasonable ships for using missiles in O.o
Joss Sparq Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.15 23:04:00 - [10] Originally by: voogru 3. best weapons (remember when cruise missiles could be used on the kestrel)[/quoteYes, years ago
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.02.15 23:07:00 - [11] Edited by: Khemul Zula on 15/02/2009 23:07:04 Yes we all learned from the alliance tournament that missiles are completely useless for PVP. Also that Caldari and Minmatar suck. Sig is now EVE related. Happy mods?
Insa Rexion Minmatar M3T4LH34DZ	Posted - 2009.02.15 23:11:00 - [12] Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 15/02/2009 22:27:49 60% of EVE players are Caldari. There are 4 races. And it probably has a lot to do with the fact that over the years, most stuff that was overpowered, was Caldari. 1. best attributes (caldari achura most popular caldari) 2. best ships (raven is most popular ship among 23/7 isk farmers, why?) 3. best weapons (remember when cruise missiles could be used on the kestrel) Of course, it's a bit more balanced now than it was previously, but you can't tell me nothing is wrong when a majority of the player base is Caldari. /thread IMHO well mannered ah*
Jacharian Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.15 23:13:00 - [13] Originally by: Wa'roun Not everyone looks at the creation that way. You have the rigorous, dictatorial, mega-corp super capitalistic, extremely loyal to the corp (like Japanese/asian workers) Caldari, the democratic Gallente (western nations), theocratic Amarr (mid-east), or the rougher tribal Minmatar. Of course not, but my point is that there could very well be a bias towards a race for the average uninformed player. However, most of those people probably did not roll Achura :-)
Gealbhan Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.15 23:27:00 - [14] I, personally, don't see any game stopping nerfs to Caldari in particular. I still fly my ships and get the job done. If it ever comes to pass that the Caldari are lambasted into complete fail boats I'll just use another race. The joys of being omni trained and trained to shield or armor tank etc etc. They can't nerf everything that I can use.
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.15 23:31:00 - [15] Originally by: Khemul Zula Edited by: Khemul Zula on 15/02/2009 23:07:04 Yes we all learned from the alliance tournament that missiles are completely useless for PVP. Also that Caldari and Minmatar suck. You mean the few faildrakes that died horribly ? Compare that to missile presence of the last tournament. And heavy missiles are maybe the less nerfed ones, try cruise missils for example and you'll understand why Caldari are upset.
Dani SP Rupture Farms Mining	Posted - 2009.02.16 00:30:00 - [16] Edited by: Dani SP on 16/02/2009 00:31:15 I picked Caldari Deteis cause of the looks. Jacharian got a point. And I bet 90% of noobies just don't know what race is "better" they just take a good-looking character since they are gonna live with it for a while.
Sirez Cartwright Caldari Gallente Mining and Manufacturing Inc Cloud 7 Nebulosa	Posted - 2009.02.16 00:51:00 - [17] Originally by: Jacharian Of course not, but my point is that there could very well be a bias towards a race for the average uninformed player. However, most of those people probably did not roll Achura :-) This. I'm Civire because I get to look like Doogie Howser/Neil Patrick Harris. It doesn't get much better than that.
Anubis Assassin Caldari Three 6 MaFiA Tank 'n' Spank	Posted - 2009.02.16 01:17:00 - [18] Originally by: Jacharian Originally by: voogru you can't tell me nothing is wrong when a majority of the player base is Caldari. Don't really care to argue which race(s) need to be improved or not, but I would like to point out that it's not neccesarily the case that everybody, or even the majority, who rolls Caldari does so because of balancing. I mean, if you're new to the game and don't want to play the ex-slave, the guy in the robe or the French, there's not a lot of races left. That more or less sums up my character creation experience anyway. This is the exact same reason I went with Caldari when I first started. Though, tbh, I still prefer Caldari for the same reasons XD What sucks though is that the whole point of being Achura was for the stats (which when I first started, had no clue and was informed by a friend on what to chose). Now with the respec crap, I have this god aweful feeling that it's been made moot. So now we're going to be fugly and stats no different than anyone elses'. I've been saying it for quite a while though. They've been screwing Caldari over left and right. --------------------------- I have to make my own sig break? WTF? These forums suck CCP, fix 'em or get something better... I'm tired of reading Khraunus' sig every single time I read one of his
Rawr Cristina Caldari Naqam Exalted.	Posted - 2009.02.16 01:26:00 - [19] I do love how the only people who ever complain about the attribute resec are Achura. Damn uglies - Infectious -
Atreus Tac Quatidion Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2009.02.16 01:28:00 - [20] the reason why 60% of eve are caldari is because when people choose which race, caldari were described as the mighty war gods. cant remember exact wording but it implied that they had the best offensive capabilites. however this is not the case they have good stats on paper, torp raven has dps of a mega but can shoot to 20km (guess) or the rohk can hit out to 250km. however the raven needs a TP and a web to be able to hit... okay im bored well caldari need a litle boost, rails are sub par to lasers and missiles are sub par to all but maybe blasters (which caldari use aswell, so ignore that one). __________________________________________________________ -Cheers- Atreus Tac
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.16 12:18:00 - [21] Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 16/02/2009 12:18:28 Originally by: Atreus Tac the reason why 60% of eve are caldari is because when people choose which race, caldari were described as the mighty war gods. cant remember exact wording but it implied that they had the best offensive capabilites. however this is not the case they have good stats on paper, torp raven has dps of a mega but can shoot to 20km (guess) or the rohk can hit out to 250km. however the raven needs a TP and a web to be able to hit... okay im bored well caldari need a litle boost, rails are sub par to lasers and missiles are sub par to all but maybe blasters (which caldari use aswell, so ignore that one). Basically this. I actually rolled a gallente first, but was unhappy with my skills, so I went Achura since they had a lot of intelligence (as I do in most games :P). In hindsight I was lucky, tho I should put more in operception and willpower. And I am happy I can change that now.
Tippia Raddick Explorations BlackWater.	Posted - 2009.02.16 12:30:00 - [22] Edited by: Tippia on 16/02/2009 12:33:14 You do understand, that the attribute respec will be quite a buff to Achura, don't you? Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Originally by: Khemul Zula Yes we all learned from the alliance tournament that missiles are completely useless for PVP. You mean the few faildrakes that died horribly? You didn't watch the tournament did you? Or did you somehow magically miss the massive (and often very successful) use of Caracals and (Hero) Nighthawks? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Camilo Cienfuegos Earned In Blood	Posted - 2009.02.16 12:32:00 - [23] Quote: Don't really care to argue which race(s) need to be improved or not, but I would like to point out that it's not neccesarily the case that everybody, or even the majority, who rolls Caldari does so because of balancing. I mean, if you're new to the game and don't want to play the ex-slave, the guy in the robe or the French, there's not a lot of races left. That more or less sums up my character creation experience anyway. This. In retrospect, I wish I'd gone with the dress rather than the hypercapitalists, but hey. One client: Three Screens!
Waffle King THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.	Posted - 2009.02.16 12:33:00 - [24] Originally by: Khemul Zula The thread ended here. I dunno why folks are still posting
Del Narveux Dukes of Hazard	Posted - 2009.02.16 12:42:00 - [25] Most new players base their character decision on two things, looks and creation-screen backstory. Contrary to popular belief Joe Gamer usually doesn't spend 36 hours reading guides on how to squeeze the most out of it--at best they cruise to the forums and notice its mostly bull**** but probably not before noticing how characters look. So, of the 4 races we have for looks: Amarr - Psychotic old guys Gallente - Junkies Minmatar - Token black guy with aviators or deranged gothic-punk-freak look, depending on bloodline Caldari - Sorta normal looking, at least compared to the other three And backstory: Amarr - Uptight slaveholding empire with more than a few Old World parallels Gallente - The French--insert obvious carebear joke here Minmatar - Escaped slaves Caldari - High-tech military superpower, aka every neckbearded MMO playing nerd's dream combo of computers and legions of doom. So yeah, it shouldnt be surprising that 60% or w/e go Caldari, no doubt followed by aviator-sporting Minmatar. _________________ [IMAGE REMOVED] -- aka Cpt Bogus -- Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
Irida Mershkov Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.02.16 14:17:00 - [26] Originally by: Del Narveux Caldari - High-tech military superpower, aka every neckbearded MMO playing nerd's dream combo of computers and legions of doom. This is close enough to the actual reason, I almost rolled a Caldari character at the start as the description sounded quite nice, but a bit too typical in a sci-fi genre, and the more I read about the Gallente, the more I warmed up to the idea of a sex party on the national stage, plus the whole "Freedom! Booze! Hookers!" front of the Gallente seemed like such a good cover front for a corrupt government I just had to pick them. Never regretted my choice since. Gallente ftw, just stop nerfing us every damn patch CCP.
Cambarus The Baros Syndicate	Posted - 2009.02.16 14:20:00 - [27] A) The main boost for the amarr was against armor tankers, as they had their EM resists reduced. Get your facts straight. B)Ravens most certainly were overpowered in PVE, but that's not why they nerfed them. Had those missiles remained unnerfed the caldari would have been ownmobiles in any pvp engagement, because they'd be hitting for damn near full damage on HACs and other such ships. When they slowed all the fast pvp ships down (so everything that's NOT caldari got nerfed) they had to nerf the trackingless caldari weapons to compensate for that. C)Wow, just wow. The minmatar and amarr have one battleship each that can field a flight of heavies, and in the case of the amarr you probably shouldn't because heavies are worse then mediums at dealing with small ships. As for the gallente, the only ship that get a full set of heavies while fielding lights as well is a drone-dedicated ship. Complaining that drones got nerfed on anything else is like saying the geddon and mega got nerfed because of the changes to missiles. D)Caldari are not eve's only PVE race. If statistics indicate anything else, then that just proves that the caldari were OP and needed a nerf anyway. That being said, all races run missions, and if caldari LP are becoming worthless then you've no one to blame but yourselves. Too many caldari players = too many people getting caldari LP. Like everything in eve it's a free market and CCP should not be putting artificial limits on how much LP is worth. E)If one specific bloodline of one specific race is so much better that the majority of combat alts end up being said race, you'd have to be stupid not to think that's OP. Because the skills you train have nothing to do with the race you pick, people are damn near always going to go with the character that will learn fastest, and one race being better then all the others at that is a bad idea. You wanna talk nerfs? Go look at the gallente. In the last 2 years they've taken heavy hits to drones, to blasters, to sensor damps, to nos, and even to railguns (let's not forget that the introduction of the rokh was a huge hit to the gallente sniping abilities, as the rokh can outperform it in nearly every way). There isn't a single thing that gallente do that hasn't been nerfed. Caldari get nerfed ONCE (and that's the missile nerf, attribute respeccing has nothing to do with the ships and the main amarr boost was the removal of nano, which does not affect caldari, and the reduction in armor em resists, which does not affect caldari) and they act like eve is out to get them
JadeMako Aliastra	Posted - 2009.02.16 14:59:00 - [28] ^^This, and I think op owes an apology
SadisticSavior Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.16 15:25:00 - [29] Quote: Conspiracy against Caldari It was needed for a long time. That was one of the reasons I got bored of Eve and left...because it seemed like EVERYONE was Caldari or at least flew Caldari ships. Not saying they should be nerfed into oblivion, but there needed to be an incentive to play a non-caldari race. Or use non-Caldari ships. ("Fascist" is such an ugly word)
SadisticSavior Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.16 15:37:00 - [30] Quote: So, of the 4 races we have for looks: Amarr - Psychotic old guys Gallente - Junkies Minmatar - Token black guy with aviators Cool or deranged gothic-punk-freak look, depending on bloodline Caldari - Sorta normal looking, at least compared to the other three Gallente - Fruity Junkies Seriously. No matter how you pose them, they look fruity. That was one of the reasons I didnt go Gallente when I first started. Quote: And backstory: Amarr - Uptight slaveholding empire with more than a few Old World parallels Gallente - The French--insert obvious carebear joke here Minmatar - Escaped slaves Caldari - High-tech military superpower, Amarr - Evil religious fundamentalists Gallente - Fruity liberals Minmatar - Oppressed minority Caldari - Neocon fascist wet dream Quote: aka every neckbearded MMO playing nerd's dream combo of computers and legions of doom. heh heh, CCP should add that to their official description in-game. ("Fascist" is such an ugly word)

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