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Za'afiel Gallente C.E.T.C.	Posted - 2009.02.16 15:49:00 - [31] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba wall of text Damn, do you actually play the game or you just post on the forum? I scanned the forum as I do from time to time and I found two recent topics, first about lack of FC's in Caldari Militia and now this... I took this thread kinda as a joke though and I do hope you've wrote it with such intentions. Cheers and see you... in space? ________________________________________ Under construction.
Dani SP Rupture Farms Mining	Posted - 2009.02.16 15:58:00 - [32] Originally by: Rawr Cristina Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 16/02/2009 01:27:03 I do love how the only people who ever complain about the attribute respec are Achura. Damn uglies lol sure! Anyways the female ones are really good-looking. It's OK that not every **** would be happy role-playing as a girl... but the males are actually FUGLY. Imho I stick to my male Deteis. His specs are not da rulerzzzz but I like it. Sure I prefer a good looking avatar better than 2 extra willpower points or whatever.
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.16 16:24:00 - [33] Originally by: Cambarus A) The main boost for the Amarr was against armour tankers, as they had their EM resists reduced. Get your facts straight. It does not matter how they boosted it, the important fact is that they boosted it and it therefore became popular. The number of Amarr ships is battles is growing as more and more people switch to train Amarr - and the chances of shield-tanked ships (which are mainly Caldari ships) suffer from that. Armortanks for exampe don't have a 0% resistance hole like shields do. They also have a larger buffer because plates give more hit-points than shield extenders. So the EM damage hits shield-tanks in quite a painfull way. And since you missed the discussion, back then devs first thought of giving Amarr different damagetype. This has been discarded. They wanted Amarr ships to hit Caldari hard. Quote: B)Ravens most certainly were overpowered in PVE, but that's not why they nerved them. Had those missiles remained unnerved the Caldari would have been ownmobiles in any pvp engagement. This is wrong. In PVE a dominix was always equal to a raven, high-skilled domi pilots were posting comparable mission completing times. Now they are superior. Also the missile nerf wasn't just an adjustment for the speed decrease, it was overdone by far. Example: a torpedo raven piloted by a pilot with maximum skills won't hit a typhoon for full damage, even if the phoon isn't using an afterburner or microwarpdrive. This hasn't been the case before. There are plenty of threads that report how obvious their missiles are worse now. Quote: C)Wow, just wow. The Minmatar and Amarr have one battleship each that can field a flight of heavies, and in the case of the Amarr you probably shouldn't because heavies are worse then mediums at dealing with small ships. As for the Gallente, the only ship that get a full set of heavies ... You said it yourself, Amarr drone users can use the Armageddon with 125m¦ bandwidth, the Minmatar the Typhoon, and Gallente can use heavy drones on all of their ships. Only the Caldari have a maximum drone bay and bandwidth of 75m¦ on their battleships. That's why there were affected most by the medium drone nerf. And that's why heavy drones remained unnerved (if there were a Caldari ship that could use them they'd got nerfed as well). Quote: D)Caldari are not eve's only PVE race. A quick look on the map (most npc killed) shows that Caldari were the most active mission-runners. Therefore a nerf of missions did it's great damage to Caldari. Quote: You wanna talk nerfs? Go look at the Gallente. You want to say that Gallente are now as bad as Caldari ? Why are so many Caldari started training Gallente then ? (At least the ones who had railgun skills, and had started to train Amarr if they had none). Watch killmails and battle reports, Gallente ships are still a very popular choice, while Caldari is mainly used by people wo spend all their SP there before that Nerf-Caldari-Campaign and are not yet ready with training other races. Hardly anyone choses missile ships (except the heavy missile platforms maybe, which weren't hit that hard as large missiles platforms) if he has another choice.
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.16 16:30:00 - [34] Originally by: Za'afiel Originally by: Yakia TovilToba wall of text Damn, do you actually play the game or you just post on the forum? I scanned the forum as I do from time to time and I found two recent topics, first about lack of FC's in Caldari Militia and now this... I took this thread kinda as a joke though and I do hope you've wrote it with such intentions. Cheers and see you... in space? I'm sorry man. I'm usually doing missions while typing here, pull a whole room of NPCS with my domi, release drones and go do something else till the domi finished the rats, for example reading the forums and making strange posts. Maybe NPC behaviour changes with Apochribba, so that one can't do missions AFK - i won't be posting/reading so much then, worry not.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.02.16 17:55:00 - [35] Yakia TovilToba, you are precisely the kind of whiny idiot who makes me embarrassed to be Caldari. Maybe you should reconsider the possibility that maybe Caldari "suck" only because *you* suck? Caldari have: The best or second-best AF (Harpy). The best or second-best combat interceptor (Crow). The only T1 cruiser worth flying as an endgame ship (Blackbird). The second-best HAC (Cerberus). The best fleet HAC (Eagle). The best recon (Falcon). The best HIC (Onyx). The second-best BC (Drake). The best fleet command ship (Vulture). The best fleet battleships (Rokh, Scorpion). Half of the best cruiser-size ship in the game (Phantasm). Half of the best battleship in the game (Nightmare). Who cares if you're a bit lacking in solo ships when you have that many top-tier gang ships to compensate. If you want solo, train one of the other races, if you want to dominate in fleet wars, be thankful for your Caldari SP. -----------
DrAtomic Atomic Heroes Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2009.02.16 18:10:00 - [36] Year in year out you wished the ban hammer upon us noble Gallente, now you are receiving the soft end of it and you are allready drowning in tears? BTW next nerf will be to the heavily overpowered Falcons. - - - Originally by: CCP Prism X I can invent ways to get free candy for you where the implementation is so bad that you'd never want to see candy again in your whole life.
Kiran Minmatar EXPLORATIS Delinquent Habits	Posted - 2009.02.16 18:13:00 - [37] Wait till they make Caldari battleships only use Rockets instead of your heavier missiles. And thank your lucky stars you actualy have a drone bay.... for now at least. Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Navigator
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.16 18:32:00 - [38] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Yakia TovilToba, you are precisely the kind of whiny idiot ... babble babble babble... You are full of bitterness because i belittled you in another thread. You think many of the ships you named are the best because you don't know their counterparts. Why exactly is the Vulture the best fleet command ship ? Calling the Nightmare, a split weapon-type platform (waste 4 lowslots for effectively 2 damagemods), the best battleship in game is ridiculous - the best for what ? It's outclassed in pvp and pve, just because it's expensive doesn't mean its the best but only shows your lack of knowledge of Eve ships and their flaws. Keep on with your hatred, it's actually amusing.
Tybalt Usra	Posted - 2009.02.16 18:39:00 - [39] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Originally by: Merin Ryskin Yakia TovilToba, you are precisely the kind of whiny idiot ... babble babble babble... You are full of bitterness because i belittled you in another thread. You think many of the ships you named are the best because you don't know their counterparts. Why exactly is the Vulture the best fleet command ship ? Calling the Nightmare, a split weapon-type platform (waste 4 lowslots for effectively 2 damagemods), the best battleship in game is ridiculous - the best for what ? It's outclassed in pvp and pve, just because it's expensive doesn't mean its the best but only shows your lack of knowledge of Eve ships and their flaws. Keep on with your hatred, it's actually amusing. Lmao get a clue mate, your inner noob is showing. Seriously the irony in this post is awesome.
Jhagiti Tyran Mortis Angelus	Posted - 2009.02.16 18:41:00 - [40] Originally by: Jacharian who rolls Caldari does so because of balancing. I mean, if you're new to the game and don't want to play the ex-slave, the guy in the robe or the French, there's not a lot of races left. That more or less sums up my character creation experience anyway. I made a Caldari character purely based on the tutorial and character creation info because it claimed Caldari where militarist hyper capitalists and had fast and small ships with advanced technology and I chose the bloodline because all the stuff about bounty hunting.
Tybalt Usra	Posted - 2009.02.16 18:45:00 - [41] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Yakia TovilToba, you are precisely the kind of whiny idiot who makes me embarrassed to be Caldari. Maybe you should reconsider the possibility that maybe Caldari "suck" only because *you* suck? Caldari have: The best or second-best AF (Harpy). The best or second-best combat interceptor (Crow). The only T1 cruiser worth flying as an endgame ship (Blackbird). The second-best HAC (Cerberus). The best fleet HAC (Eagle). The best recon (Falcon). The best HIC (Onyx). The second-best BC (Drake). The best fleet command ship (Vulture). The best fleet battleships (Rokh, Scorpion). Half of the best cruiser-size ship in the game (Phantasm). Half of the best battleship in the game (Nightmare). Who cares if you're a bit lacking in solo ships when you have that many top-tier gang ships to compensate. If you want solo, train one of the other races, if you want to dominate in fleet wars, be thankful for your Caldari SP. QFT With added footnote that solo in eve online is not something all the other races are blessed with either. Every race has a handfull of decent solo'ers and that includes caldari, just like every race has a handfull of lame ducks. It's not like you pick a gallente ship at random and go solo in it and be omgwtfpwn because eve is a game full of hard counters.
Hariya	Posted - 2009.02.16 18:50:00 - [42] Originally by: Del Narveux Amarr - Psychotic old guys I should give you a beating Seriously, I rolled Caldari first. The reason was the description. The gods of war. The mighty military officer look on the portraits helped. Then a month or so later I was in Caracal, grinding standings up. At two months or so I was running level 3 missions with passively tanked raven. I also ventured to low sec, and had a blast. At some point I decided to assault a lone Scorpion with my Kestrel. Neither of us could finish each other off Then I got into my senses and became pure blood. Ahh what I price one has to pay for that Things have been a lot harder, magnitudes harder. I don't know how much the nerfs have changed the situation but with couple times more skill points I feel still in some ways worse off...
Vincent Gaines Avis de Captura	Posted - 2009.02.16 18:59:00 - [43] all I want is more DPS for rails. Make them not a joke for short range. they don't have to be the best, but make them viable so that we can do something other than snipe.
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.16 19:08:00 - [44] Originally by: Tybalt Usra Originally by: Merin Ryskin ... post with main ... QFT ... post with alt .. Quoting your own post with an alt is pure fail imho. And just one more thought on your disgust because of my "whining": If you'd watch Eve development carefully, you'd notice that "whining", which is nothing else than critical customer feedback about a product given to the company that makes the product, did matter a lot in the past. Amarr whined the loudest, now they got the best ships. Those who didn't whine got nerved or have crap ships. "Whining" improves the situation for Caldari, except when people like you derail the threads, traitor.
supr3m3justic3 Caldari Hakata Group Blade.	Posted - 2009.02.16 19:25:00 - [45] Thats why i cross trained Minmatar. Caldari ships suck anyways. Real men fly Vagabonds :) ____
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2009.02.16 19:30:00 - [46] Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 15/02/2009 22:27:49 60% of EVE players are Caldari. There are 4 races. And it probably has a lot to do with the fact that over the years, most stuff that was overpowered, was Caldari. 1. best attributes (caldari achura most popular caldari) 2. best ships (raven is most popular ship among 23/7 isk farmers, why?) 3. best weapons (remember when cruise missiles could be used on the kestrel) Of course, it's a bit more balanced now than it was previously, but you can't tell me nothing is wrong when a majority of the player base is Caldari. Nope. It has to do with the Caldari having the best backplot, and looking the most like humans. -- 249km locking?
Tybalt Usra	Posted - 2009.02.16 19:46:00 - [47] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Originally by: Tybalt Usra Originally by: Merin Ryskin ... post with main ... QFT ... post with alt .. Quoting your own post with an alt is pure fail imho. And just one more thought on your disgust because of my "whining": If you'd watch Eve development carefully, you'd notice that "whining", which is nothing else than critical customer feedback about a product given to the company that makes the product, did matter a lot in the past. Amarr whined the loudest, now they got the best ships. Those who didn't whine got nerved or have crap ships. "Whining" improves the situation for Caldari, except when people like you derail the threads, traitor. Quoting more fail, I'm not merin's alt and think the guys setups are often ******ed. Why dont you go back to demonstrating your monsterous knowledge of eve ships by claiming a 100% damage bonused 4 turret single weapon system ship is actually a split weapon system ship...
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2009.02.16 20:36:00 - [48] Originally by: James Lyrus Originally by: voogru Edited by: voogru on 15/02/2009 22:27:49 60% of EVE players are Caldari. There are 4 races. And it probably has a lot to do with the fact that over the years, most stuff that was overpowered, was Caldari. 1. best attributes (caldari achura most popular caldari) 2. best ships (raven is most popular ship among 23/7 isk farmers, why?) 3. best weapons (remember when cruise missiles could be used on the kestrel) Of course, it's a bit more balanced now than it was previously, but you can't tell me nothing is wrong when a majority of the player base is Caldari. Nope. It has to do with the Caldari having the best backplot, and looking the most like humans. I think you're both right. For brand new players - The intro movie favored Caldari a bit (which I went on a small whinge about here). Looks of the races made a difference as well. For players that had been around - the min/maxed achura mission running alts. ---- ≡v≡
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.02.16 21:14:00 - [49] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba You are full of bitterness because i belittled you in another thread. No, I'm full of bitterness because every time I see your name, it's a guarantee that I'm about to read more painful stupidity. Quote: You think many of the ships you named are the best because you don't know their counterparts. Why exactly is the Vulture the best fleet command ship ? Hm, let me see... because it has an awesome buffer tank, easily fits up to three gang mods, and is the only one that can operate in a 250km sniper fleet? Quote: Calling the Nightmare, an energy weapon platform a half-caldari battleship shows your lack of knowledge of Eve ships (just cause you need Caldari BS skill for it, doesn't mean Caldari can fly it). Hint: look at the slot layout for a second. Amarr guns, Caldari tank. That's why it's half Caldari... -----------
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.02.16 21:17:00 - [50] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Quoting your own post with an alt is pure fail imho. Ooh, so now we've moved on to paranoid stupidity? Awesome. Here's a hint, moron: that's not my alt. Quote: And just one more thought on your disgust because of my "whining": If you'd watch Eve development carefully, you'd notice that "whining", which is nothing else than critical customer feedback about a product given to the company that makes the product, did matter a lot in the past. The difference here is that some feedback is useful and brings real issues to CCP's attention, while your whining is just crying about your own lack of skill. Caldari ships are *fine*, you just don't know how to use them right. -----------
Soporo Caldari The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.02.16 21:48:00 - [51] Sure. Fine. Forget that we are the lowest (real TQ applied) dps race in the game (GTFO of EFT), and all missiles require mass tacklage in order to do full damage to the proper sized even slightly moving target despite having 5's in all support skills.
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.16 21:56:00 - [52] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Yakia TovilToba You are full of bitterness because i belittled you in another thread. No, I'm full of bitterness because every time I see your name, it's a guarantee that I'm about to read more painful stupidity. You lack the intelligence to grasp the content of my posts. Sucks to be you. You fail to see the point behind my posts and only search for reasons to make foolish comments, like a psycho on a revenge trip because someone else dared to contradict him in another thread. Quote: Quote: You think many of the ships you named are the best because you don't know their counterparts. Why exactly is the Vulture the best fleet command ship ? Hm, let me see... because it has an awesome buffer tank, easily fits up to three gang mods, and is the only one that can operate in a 250km sniper fleet? Yes but why is it the BEST fleet command ship ? The Damnation for example has a greater buffertank (plates give more hp, damnation's armortank has better resistances than vulture's shieldtank), can also fit 3 links and it's link bonus is even more usefull, since there are more armortanks than shieldtanks in an average fleet. Vulture isn't better than the Damnation. Mentioning 250km is just dumb and shows you don't know what the role of a command ship is. It doesn't have to target anything in order to boost the fleet. Nor can a Vulture target 250km without giving up a large portion of it's tank. And finally there is no point targeting 250km because it doesn't have the range to shoot that far and it's dps is lousy anyways. Your statements are getting dumber and dumber.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.02.16 22:06:00 - [53] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba You lack the intelligence to grasp the content of my posts. Sucks to be you. You fail to see the point behind my posts and only search for reasons to make foolish comments, like a psycho on a revenge trip because someone else dared to contradict him in another thread. See, that's the problem: I do understand your posts. I understand that you have this incredibly annoying habit of blaming CCP for your own lack of skill. I understand that virtually everything you say is wrong. Quote: Mentioning 250km is just dumb and shows you don't know what the role of a command ship is. It doesn't have to target anything in order to boost the fleet. Nor can a Vulture target 250km without giving up a large portion of it's tank. And finally there is no point targeting 250km because it doesn't have the range to shoot that far and it's dps is lousy anyways. Your statements are getting dumber and dumber WTS: understanding of game mechanics. If you are going to bring your command ship on-grid and into the fight (as opposed to sitting at a POS giving bonuses, like you do if all you want is to give fleet bonuses), you need 250km range. The Vulture does it, the Damnation doesn't. That's not to say the Damnation sucks, it's still a pretty decent ship, but the Vulture is better. WTS skills. Vulture gets well over 200km optimal if you fit it properly and have the required skills. -----------
TimGascoigne The Graduates Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.02.16 22:08:00 - [54] can I please have all of your stuff? Caldari Probably the most powerful PvP race in EvE. best tank in game. Best range with rail guns and missile. Greatest immunity against electronic warfare. All damage types ( missiles) Best EW (ECM) What more could you ask for. There is a reason why Caldari are the most popular race.
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.16 22:31:00 - [55] Originally by: Merin Ryskin WTS: understanding of game mechanics. ... WTS skills. Vulture gets well over 200km optimal if you fit it properly and have the required skills. Vulture with 4x 250mm rails (only 4 because of 3 links) with spike m does 73 (!) DPS with an optimal 146km and 15km falloff (maximum skills). Only a moron will sacrifice most of his slots on a commad ship for range modules and multpile sensor boosters in order to bring that 73 DPS to a 250km target. Ask yourself who's the one here who doesn't understand the game mechanics. You have to learn that command ships have their specific roles, and that roles are for sure not to be the damagedealers.
Major Deviant	Posted - 2009.02.16 22:34:00 - [56] Originally by: Khemul Zula It is very hard to make me laugh but you sir had me rofling!
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2009.02.16 22:40:00 - [57] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 16/02/2009 22:41:36 Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Vulture with 4x 250mm rails (only 4 because of 3 links) with spike m does 73 (!) DPS with an optimal 146km and 15km falloff (maximum skills). Only a moron will sacrifice most of his slots on a commad ship for range modules and multpile sensor boosters in order to bring that 73 DPS to a 250km target. Ask yourself who's the one here who doesn't understand the game mechanics. You have to learn that command ships have their specific roles, and that roles are for sure not to be the damagedealers. And once again, you're wrong. 1) You only want to fit one module, shield resists. The other two shield mods are useless in larger fleets, and the other gang mods are useless without the appropriate mindlink. That leaves 5x gun slots, even if you decide to fit a second one for whatever reason. 2) Your ~100 dps is fine, because your primary target (as a non-battleship sniper) is frigates, with the occasional paper-thin ewar cruiser. And that's ~100 dps more than any other anti-support ship besides an Eagle can do at 200km. 3) If you want maximum tank at the cost of all of your offensive power, you park your command ship behind a POS shield. If you want to join the fight on-grid, you are expected to bring a proper combat fit. 4) Even with a 200km+ sniper fit, a Vulture has a tank comparable to a sniper battleship. Since range is your main tank, this is fine. Giving up all of your offensive ability to increase your HP just means you go down in 10 seconds instead of 5 when you are called primary. But thank you for illustrating my point quite nicely: Caldari ships are fine, you just don't know how to use them. -----------
Isil Rahsen Ferrum Superum	Posted - 2009.02.16 22:56:00 - [58] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 16/02/2009 22:41:36 Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Vulture with 4x 250mm rails (only 4 because of 3 links) with spike m does 73 (!) DPS with an optimal 146km and 15km falloff (maximum skills). Only a moron will sacrifice most of his slots on a commad ship for range modules and multpile sensor boosters in order to bring that 73 DPS to a 250km target. Ask yourself who's the one here who doesn't understand the game mechanics. You have to learn that command ships have their specific roles, and that roles are for sure not to be the damagedealers. And once again, you're wrong. 1) You only want to fit one module, shield resists. The other two shield mods are useless in larger fleets, and the other gang mods are useless without the appropriate mindlink. That leaves 5x gun slots, even if you decide to fit a second one for whatever reason. 2) Your ~100 dps is fine, because your primary target (as a non-battleship sniper) is frigates, with the occasional paper-thin ewar cruiser. And that's ~100 dps more than any other anti-support ship besides an Eagle can do at 200km. 3) If you want maximum tank at the cost of all of your offensive power, you park your command ship behind a POS shield. If you want to join the fight on-grid, you are expected to bring a proper combat fit. 4) Even with a 200km+ sniper fit, a Vulture has a tank comparable to a sniper battleship. Since range is your main tank, this is fine. Giving up all of your offensive ability to increase your HP just means you go down in 10 seconds instead of 5 when you are called primary. But thank you for illustrating my point quite nicely: Caldari ships are fine, you just don't know how to use them. You might as well save the effort of trying to convince him of any divergent viewpoint because he is nothing more than a troll that is doing it wrong. Caldari overall are still in the best shape out of the 4 races followed closely by Amarr. You want to talk about a race that needs a boost look at the Minmatar fleet and weep. Gallente ships are still ok when railgun fit, their blaster fits though are having issues atm.
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.16 23:04:00 - [59] Edited by: Yakia TovilToba on 16/02/2009 23:12:39 Originally by: Merin Ryskin Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 16/02/2009 22:41:36 Originally by: Yakia TovilToba Vulture with 4x 250mm rails (only 4 because of 3 links) with spike m does 73 (!) DPS with an optimal 146km and 15km falloff (maximum skills). Only a moron will sacrifice most of his slots on a commad ship for range modules and multpile sensor boosters in order to bring that 73 DPS to a 250km target. Ask yourself who's the one here who doesn't understand the game mechanics. You have to learn that command ships have their specific roles, and that roles are for sure not to be the damagedealers. And once again, you're wrong. 1) You only want to fit one module, shield resists. The other two shield mods are useless in larger fleets, and the other gang mods are useless without the appropriate mindlink. That leaves 5x gun slots, even if you decide to fit a second one for whatever reason. 2) Your ~100 dps is fine, because your primary target (as a non-battleship sniper) is frigates... If you want to put only 1 link, then you don't need a vulture, any t1 BC will do. If you don't believe me check the killboards of pilots that have some clue for Vulture fits, e.g. the bob killboard. They have at least the shield and armor resistance, but usually 3 links. That's what the bonus is for, and you are wasting it for 2 additional guns that do a lousy extra 36 dps ? You're abusing the ship. And that 100 dps no way justifies to give up almost all of it's tank, if the enemy notice that you can target for 250km, they'll know that you have no tank and will pick you off immediately, kill you with EM faster than a drake. Kill the frigs with anti-support ships, ships that are designed for this role, or just standard fleetships that will instapop them on 250km, since tracking isn't a big issue on that distances. A vulture with only one link and fitted to hit for 250km is a useless comedy setup. And then you accuse others of not knowing how to use Caldari ships, you seem to be a hopeless case, i'm not going to waste more time for you. edit: Here an example how a Vulture is fitted: Vulture - and not a failsetup with 1 link and 100 dps like you propose it.

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