Come to nullsec one of these days. What you carebears deal with in hi-sec is hardly war.

The solution is to stop paying ransoms, deny lols, give no tears, and basically turtle up until they go away.

War is meant to be played out on the battlefield using tactics and superior ships.

Serious question. What is War good for?

Even with the changes coming in Inferno, what is War good for?

Wars traditionally are for conquering territory and resources, or money, but occasionally they have had the goal of total destruction of the opposition.

The only thing is that wars in EVE usually end with one side paying off the other. And even then, that doesn't always work.

The 1-week enforced peace coming in Inferno will help mitigate that somewhat, true.

Time to admit something here: My corp is currently involved in a war that has dragged on for at least a month. I will not say with who. I'm not here to complain or demand that this be ended.

My question is why is this allowed in the first place?

The war has seen underhanded tactics from the attacking corp like dropping and joining their corp at strategic points, trying to catch us off guard, or get us CONCORDed (including one incident where a person dropped corp mid-battle. He was destroyed, no one got CONCORDed). Meanwhile, BOTH sides have used the docking-up tactic, which is not fun for either side.

A representative for the attacking corp has even said: "We intend on getting paid or disbanding your alliance. Every dec we do ends with either or. It's your guys' choice which one."

We've payed the corp menacing us. It hasn't worked.
We've massed troops to face them. It hasn't worked.

War is supposed to encourage people to blow each other up. It doesn't. The best tactics, the ones that cost the least, are unfun activities, like docking up, or running. And if a game becomes unfun, what's the point of playing?

The changes come Inferno don't seem like they will change the viability of these tactics, or give better alternatives.

Why?

Because, as Massively said in one of its articles on the changes coming in Inferno, "The main thing that I think needs to be fixed with the war system is the complete lack of victory conditions for either side, particularly for the defender."

The problem with War, specifically in EVE, but sometimes in real life too, there's no way to win. In EVE, this means it turns into a gank-fest, which is unfun for the target, or docking up for the duration of the war, which is unfun for both sides.

To go back to Massively's words, again, "The ideal war system would be one that forces the attackers to commit and has clear victory conditions. It should make small corps engaging large entities riskier and encourage people to fight a war rather than dock up for a week."

With the information I've seen, I don't have faith that war will be made fun come Inferno.

So I ask again, when the best tactic in a war is to log off and go play Star Trek Online...

War: What is it good for?

Serious question. What is War good for?

Even with the changes coming in Inferno, what is War good for?

Wars traditionally are for conquering territory and resources, or money, but occasionally they have had the goal of total destruction of the opposition.

Wars traditionally are for conquering territory and resources, or money, but occasionally they have had the goal of total destruction of the opposition.

My question is why is this allowed in the first place?

Because, as Massively said in one of its articles on the changes coming in Inferno, "The main thing that I think needs to be fixed with the war system is the complete lack of victory conditions for either side, particularly for the defender."

Fred, I'm not advocating removing war decs altogether. I'm saying they need to change, because they're not fulfilling the purpose they're designed for, which is ships blowing up.

May I ask where you got that knowledge from?

Serious question. What is War good for?

Even with the changes coming in Inferno, what is War good for?

Wars traditionally are for conquering territory and resources, or money, but occasionally they have had the goal of total destruction of the opposition.

The only thing is that wars in EVE usually end with one side paying off the other. And even then, that doesn't always work.

The 1-week enforced peace coming in Inferno will help mitigate that somewhat, true.

Time to admit something here: My corp is currently involved in a war that has dragged on for at least a month. I will not say with who. I'm not here to complain or demand that this be ended.

My question is why is this allowed in the first place?

The war has seen underhanded tactics from the attacking corp like dropping and joining their corp at strategic points, trying to catch us off guard, or get us CONCORDed (including one incident where a person dropped corp mid-battle. He was destroyed, no one got CONCORDed). Meanwhile, BOTH sides have used the docking-up tactic, which is not fun for either side.

A representative for the attacking corp has even said: "We intend on getting paid or disbanding your alliance. Every dec we do ends with either or. It's your guys' choice which one."

We've payed the corp menacing us. It hasn't worked.
We've massed troops to face them. It hasn't worked.

War is supposed to encourage people to blow each other up. It doesn't. The best tactics, the ones that cost the least, are unfun activities, like docking up, or running. And if a game becomes unfun, what's the point of playing?

The changes come Inferno don't seem like they will change the viability of these tactics, or give better alternatives.

Why?

Because, as Massively said in one of its articles on the changes coming in Inferno, "The main thing that I think needs to be fixed with the war system is the complete lack of victory conditions for either side, particularly for the defender."

The problem with War, specifically in EVE, but sometimes in real life too, there's no way to win. In EVE, this means it turns into a gank-fest, which is unfun for the target, or docking up for the duration of the war, which is unfun for both sides.

To go back to Massively's words, again, "The ideal war system would be one that forces the attackers to commit and has clear victory conditions. It should make small corps engaging large entities riskier and encourage people to fight a war rather than dock up for a week."

With the information I've seen, I don't have faith that war will be made fun come Inferno.

So I ask again, when the best tactic in a war is to log off and go play Star Trek Online...

War: What is it good for?

High Sec Wars != Ships going boom

Exactly the problem. It's not fun FOR EITHER SIDE.