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Lyer THE BLUE BEYOND	Posted - 2009.02.16 12:44:00 - [1] I was a little disturbed to see a leading delegate making an accusation in CAOD about a leading alliance and various out of game tactics alleged to be in use by them. Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Send a few more sms's to people's phones if you want release. Call a few more people's RL jobs or intrude more on people's RL lives.... http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1000297 As the delegate has gone on public record with his accusation can we assume he has proof and will be bringing it to the attention of CCP. I realise there is a grey area covering out of game methods which are used to apply pressure to players in game, but I must assume that as the delegate has gone on public record he has enough proof of who is involved to pass on too CCP. Some of the described methods in the delegates post border on harassment and these actions and how the individualÆs identity was found out would be frowned upon by many law enforcement agencies. Does the delegate publicly condone the use of out of game ' tactics ' to gain advantage over opposition in game and will we see him lobbying CCP to bring about sanctions towards offending players provided that proof is available? This grey area needs to be resolved for the interests of every player. I hope the delegate involved can make the best use of his position and with the help of his fellow delegates provide some strong direction in helping to eradicate this shocking behavior.
Morris Falter The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.02.16 14:10:00 - [2] Its an important topic, I'd like to hear this discussed.
Karrade Krise Galatic P0RN Starz	Posted - 2009.02.16 17:47:00 - [3] o.0 I made it smaller for you Navigater...My name is in it. That's the minimum required for a sig if I remember correctly
LaVista Vista	Posted - 2009.02.16 17:54:00 - [4] Please stop posting already.
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre Worlds End Consortium	Posted - 2009.02.16 18:38:00 - [5] Originally by: Lyer I was a little disturbed to see a leading delegate making an accusation in CAOD about a leading alliance and various out of game tactics alleged to be in use by them. Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Send a few more sms's to people's phones if you want release. Call a few more people's RL jobs or intrude more on people's RL lives.... http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1000297 As the delegate has gone on public record with his accusation can we assume he has proof and will be bringing it to the attention of CCP. I realise there is a grey area covering out of game methods which are used to apply pressure to players in game, but I must assume that as the delegate has gone on public record he has enough proof of who is involved to pass on too CCP. Some of the described methods in the delegates post border on harassment and these actions and how the individualÆs identity was found out would be frowned upon by many law enforcement agencies. Does the delegate publicly condone the use of out of game ' tactics ' to gain advantage over opposition in game and will we see him lobbying CCP to bring about sanctions towards offending players provided that proof is available? This grey area needs to be resolved for the interests of every player. I hope the delegate involved can make the best use of his position and with the help of his fellow delegates provide some strong direction in helping to eradicate this shocking behavior. Please go post this crap in jita park or crime and punishment.... this has nothing to do with game mechanics.. hell go make a petition.... but stop making yourself out to be a emo jackass. =============== CEO of Clan Shadow Cadre www.shadowcadre.com ===============
Lyer THE BLUE BEYOND	Posted - 2009.02.16 19:49:00 - [6] Edited by: Lyer on 16/02/2009 19:49:45 Originally by: Drake Draconis Originally by: Lyer I was a little disturbed to see a leading delegate making an accusation in CAOD about a leading alliance and various out of game tactics alleged to be in use by them. Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Send a few more sms's to people's phones if you want release. Call a few more people's RL jobs or intrude more on people's RL lives.... http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1000297 Where did you get game mechanics from ' jackass ' ? As the delegate has gone on public record with his accusation can we assume he has proof and will be bringing it to the attention of CCP. I realise there is a grey area covering out of game methods which are used to apply pressure to players in game, but I must assume that as the delegate has gone on public record he has enough proof of who is involved to pass on too CCP. Some of the described methods in the delegates post border on harassment and these actions and how the individualÆs identity was found out would be frowned upon by many law enforcement agencies. Does the delegate publicly condone the use of out of game ' tactics ' to gain advantage over opposition in game and will we see him lobbying CCP to bring about sanctions towards offending players provided that proof is available? This grey area needs to be resolved for the interests of every player. I hope the delegate involved can make the best use of his position and with the help of his fellow delegates provide some strong direction in helping to eradicate this shocking behavior. Please go post this crap in jita park or crime and punishment.... this has nothing to do with game mechanics.. hell go make a petition.... but stop making yourself out to be a emo jackass. The description of this forum is ' A platform for players to bring topics to the attention of the Council of Stellar Management.'
Lyer THE BLUE BEYOND	Posted - 2009.02.16 19:53:00 - [7] Originally by: LaVista Vista Please stop posting already. Quite the constructive and mature response from an elected delegate. To think you represent the players is a little worrying with that attitude.
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.02.16 20:14:00 - [8] Originally by: Lyer Originally by: LaVista Vista Please stop posting already. Quite the constructive and mature response from an elected delegate. To think you represent the players is a little worrying with that attitude. That's how the CSM works, thousands of voices want you to shut up, so instead of cluttering a thread with them we elect people to tell you what everyone wants.
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre Worlds End Consortium	Posted - 2009.02.16 20:52:00 - [9] Originally by: Lyer Edited by: Lyer on 16/02/2009 19:49:45 Originally by: Drake Draconis Originally by: Lyer I was a little disturbed to see a leading delegate making an accusation in CAOD about a leading alliance and various out of game tactics alleged to be in use by them. Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Send a few more sms's to people's phones if you want release. Call a few more people's RL jobs or intrude more on people's RL lives.... http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1000297 Where did you get game mechanics from ' jackass ' ? As the delegate has gone on public record with his accusation can we assume he has proof and will be bringing it to the attention of CCP. I realise there is a grey area covering out of game methods which are used to apply pressure to players in game, but I must assume that as the delegate has gone on public record he has enough proof of who is involved to pass on too CCP. Some of the described methods in the delegates post border on harassment and these actions and how the individualÆs identity was found out would be frowned upon by many law enforcement agencies. Does the delegate publicly condone the use of out of game ' tactics ' to gain advantage over opposition in game and will we see him lobbying CCP to bring about sanctions towards offending players provided that proof is available? This grey area needs to be resolved for the interests of every player. I hope the delegate involved can make the best use of his position and with the help of his fellow delegates provide some strong direction in helping to eradicate this shocking behavior. Please go post this crap in jita park or crime and punishment.... this has nothing to do with game mechanics.. hell go make a petition.... but stop making yourself out to be a emo jackass. The description of this forum is ' A platform for players to bring topics to the attention of the Council of Stellar Management.' And my description of you is a person who has no brain and would like to trash up the boards with "kill the goons" This is a forum board for discussion of ideas for the game.... not about conspiracies and bullcrap you can drum up. =============== CEO of Clan Shadow Cadre www.shadowcadre.com ===============
Lyer THE BLUE BEYOND	Posted - 2009.02.16 21:56:00 - [10] Originally by: Kazzac Elentria Originally by: Lyer Originally by: LaVista Vista Please stop posting already. Quite the constructive and mature response from an elected delegate. To think you represent the players is a little worrying with that attitude. That's how the CSM works, thousands of voices want you to shut up, so instead of cluttering a thread with them we elect people to tell you what everyone wants. 6/10 - Could do better. Needs more application. Shows potential.

Lyer THE BLUE BEYOND	Posted - 2009.02.16 22:07:00 - [11] Originally by: Drake Draconis And my description of you is a person who has no brain and would like to trash up the boards with "kill the goons" This is a forum board for discussion of ideas for the game.... not about conspiracies and bullcrap you can drum up. Again read the forum description. The word ' topics ' is the give away. I am bringing a ' topic ' to the CSM's attention. The topic here is meta gaming and out of game tactics to influence in game events. Darius JOHNSON has publically stated he has been a victim of this. As a CSM delegate he is in the best position to bring this to CCP's attention and lobby for CCP to resovle the grey area that surrounds this practice. He must have proof otherwise why make the public statement? I don't belive that many players like or except meta gaming, so why not try and put a stop to it?
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre Worlds End Consortium	Posted - 2009.02.16 22:57:00 - [12] Maybe your just being a pathetic loser and refusing to take it like a man. Take it to the game.. leave that crap off this board. =============== CEO of Clan Shadow Cadre www.shadowcadre.com ===============
Sloth Arnini Arcana Imperii Ltd.	Posted - 2009.02.16 23:16:00 - [13] This is probably a troll but I don't care. Virtually every serious alliance ensures key members have means of out-of-game communication. If you want to stir up a fuss about people giving other Internet Spaceship gamers their phone numbers when said spaceship gamers are presumably responsible individuals who know the consequences of passing out contact details, then stir up a fuss about forums, teamspeak , IRC and MSN. Oh, and e-mail. Hell, campaign against vocal chords as well, and pens, and chalk, and smoke signals. Best pre-empt telepathy as well. We should only be permitted to communicate on eve-voice and in game channels.
Rutger Centemus Joint Empire Squad	Posted - 2009.02.17 00:39:00 - [14] Originally by: Crumplecorn I prefer launching bathtubs of antimatter at my opponents over pointing an open DVD player at them, even if the bathtubs do miss a lot. So no.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.02.17 00:52:00 - [15] So... wait... since when is getting the RL cellphone numbers of corpmembers and allies "A GREY AREA TACTIC" ? Or since when is calling upon your in-game allies using OOG contact means in any way weird ? Ok, granted, it's PATHETIC to wake up or disturb people at their jobs just so you would not lose some bits and pixels in an internet spaceships game, but that is certainly NOT an issue CCP has any say about, nor should they. OP has no issue, makes an issue out of nothing, and does it so in a pathetic way. THUMBS DOWN. _ Create a character \|\| Fit a ship \|\| Get some ISK
Efrim Black Gallente Apellon	Posted - 2009.02.17 01:40:00 - [16] Originally by: Lyer I was a little disturbed to see a leading delegate making an accusation in CAOD about a leading alliance and various out of game tactics alleged to be in use by them. Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Send a few more sms's to people's phones if you want release. Call a few more people's RL jobs or intrude more on people's RL lives.... http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=1000297 As the delegate has gone on public record with his accusation can we assume he has proof and will be bringing it to the attention of CCP. I realise there is a grey area covering out of game methods which are used to apply pressure to players in game, but I must assume that as the delegate has gone on public record he has enough proof of who is involved to pass on too CCP. Some of the described methods in the delegates post border on harassment and these actions and how the individualÆs identity was found out would be frowned upon by many law enforcement agencies. Does the delegate publicly condone the use of out of game ' tactics ' to gain advantage over opposition in game and will we see him lobbying CCP to bring about sanctions towards offending players provided that proof is available? This grey area needs to be resolved for the interests of every player. I hope the delegate involved can make the best use of his position and with the help of his fellow delegates provide some strong direction in helping to eradicate this shocking behavior. Alliance Bull****. Write a petition, no one cares.
Yorda Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.18 03:46:00 - [17] Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ---- 06:36 11Thol that we cannot do this anymore 06:36 11Thol we're not no.1 06:36 11Thol we're not best of the best 06:36 11Thol we're average with alot of titans 06:36 11Thol ****ing wake up
Lady Alystra Amarr Big Bong Quantum Big Bang Quantum	Posted - 2009.02.18 14:19:00 - [18] Originally by: LaVista Vista Please stop posting already. You disappoint me. And I voted for you, so you represent me. Please rethink your approach. Because we DGAF! ... and you can DGAF too. DGAF recruitment thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=471457
PrimaryIsYou BACKUPLEGION	Posted - 2009.02.18 15:08:00 - [19] Originally by: Lady Alystra Originally by: LaVista Vista Please stop posting already. You disappoint me. And I voted for you, so you represent me. Please rethink your approach. Your posting is p. bad. And I keep running into it, so it bothers me. Please rethink your approach.
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2009.02.19 02:23:00 - [20] Originally by: Lyer I was a little disturbed to see a leading delegate making an accusation in CAOD about a leading alliance and various out of game tactics alleged to be in use by them. Were you actually crying when you wrote this post?

Muro Deez GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.20 04:59:00 - [21] Hey Morris, just for future reference, when you altpost something like this it's common sense to let at least a couple of other people post first so that when you post on your main it's not quite so obvious. ~the more you know~
Drake Draconis Minmatar Shadow Cadre Worlds End Consortium	Posted - 2009.02.20 06:41:00 - [22] Edited by: Drake Draconis on 20/02/2009 06:42:42 Originally by: Muro Deez Hey Morris, just for future reference, when you altpost something like this it's common sense to let at least a couple of other people post first so that when you post on your main it's not quite so obvious. ~the more you know~ for future reference.... you might want to stop posting in a stupid assed topic like this. And if there's one thing you goons are good at....is stroking your epeens. Knock it off...go somewhere else. That goes for everyone else... let the damn thing die. Yes yes.. we know you rule and all awesome and that... so stop soaking the place with your stench of pride and get back in the game and go blow up some ships eh? And the people who want to gripe and complain about goons... go kill them in the game... stop wasting the space with your complaints. I'm so tired of seeing the trash.... enough is enough. Goons did this... Goons suck... Goons rule... blah blah blah yar yar yar. SHADUP! =============== CEO of Clan Shadow Cadre www.shadowcadre.com ===============
Efrim Black Gallente Apellon	Posted - 2009.02.20 10:56:00 - [23] Originally by: Drake Draconis Edited by: Drake Draconis on 20/02/2009 06:49:31 Edited by: Drake Draconis on 20/02/2009 06:42:42 Originally by: Muro Deez Hey Morris, just for future reference, when you altpost something like this it's common sense to let at least a couple of other people post first so that when you post on your main it's not quite so obvious. ~the more you know~ for future reference.... you might want to stop posting in a stupid assed topic like this. Better yet... how about you both get a room.. and just get it over with. STFU! Let this thread die for once! We don't need every frakking goon posting spam to prove a point.. yes we know your large and all dat. Who gives a flyin rip! And for the people who want to see them ousted.... this is not the way to go about it... posting crap and making false accusations over nothing is what I call a waste of our time. Well you people seriously shut the hell up already. I respect the Goons... but I'm not going to go screaming every stupid little thing they do. I laugh at you people who gripe and complain about the scams and all the stuff they pull.. because its all public knowledge... your just too stupid to look it up. That and you have no common sense or rationality in bothering to think things through. This is a bloody game.. not life or death.... either you adapt or GTFO. But stop going totally berserk and attracting the flies... this is the Assembly hall.. we come here to propose ideas and attempt to improve the game... not start conspiracy BS. Get over yourselves. Go war-dec each other or something... at least its more constructive then whatever it is your trying to do here! Bump. waits for Drake's Stroke

CCP Fallout	Posted - 2009.02.20 15:17:00 - [24] Hrm. Firstly, any real life threats need to be handled via one's local authorities. They have no place on this forum, nor in EVE Online. Secondly, this type of thread has no place in this forum as well. I am therefore locking it. Fallout Associate Community Manager CCP Hf, EVE Online



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