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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2009.02.16 15:45:00 -
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In the words of the infamous Mindstar... "that's what she said!"
Speaking of Mindstar, he's just published a new blog on what's coming with Thursday's extended downtime.
So what is coming? A brand new RamSan. What does that mean exactly? The death of database lag... shorter expansion deployments... shorter morning downtimes! And, most importantly, a very excited and happy Mindstar!
Fallout
Associate Community Manager
CCP Hf, EVE Online
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Clever Drake
Minmatar
The Flying Tigers
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.16 15:50:00 -
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I for one welcome our new solid state overlords.
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Sgt Blade
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2009.02.16 15:54:00 -
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can I have the only AMD Blades? pwitty pwez 
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2009.02.16 15:59:00 -
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That's pretty awesome.
So why are you guys still running on an 6 year old operative system? What about that 4 year old database software? I obviously assume that your awesome Microsoft overlords have told you how cost-effective and absolutely needed it is to upgrade? 
I'm wondering how long it took you two hard-working guys to install all those new blades. I hope for both of you that it was the case that you had an image that you simply booted every node with
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2009.02.16 16:00:00 -
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 Originally by: Sgt Blade
can I have the only AMD Blades? pwitty pwez
I'm pretty sure that when one buys hardware from IBM, you have to agree that you won't be using it for any illegal purposes. Knowing VETO in general and judging from your security status.. Well, CCP could get in trouble 
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CCP Mindstar
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Posted - 2009.02.16 16:01:00 -
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Oh yes we have plans to go to 2008 Windows / SQL also..... all in good time 
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Dante Chusuk
Domination.
Force Of Evil
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Posted - 2009.02.16 16:01:00 -
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With all this hardware I'm wondering what the backing infrastructure is like. As in Tier 1 to 4, n+1 or however you want to rate it.
Also been hearing some rumblings regarding cooling system developments designed specifically for high density solutions such as Bladecenters ...
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2009.02.16 16:03:00 -
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Originally by: Dante Chusuk
Also been hearing some rumblings regarding cooling system developments designed specifically for high density solutions such as Bladecenters ...
Evidently from the recent event with a snow-storm occurring in their datacenter, they don't need cooling seeing as they don't close the windows
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Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2009.02.16 16:13:00 -
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And why do we need a whole 6 hours downtime to plug this thing in?
It actually doesn't take very long at all to plug the new RamSan in - that was done offline a week or so back. The reason we need to take Tranquility and associated websites down is that we have to take the EVE database offline to move its files around.
Moving the data files from our fiber channel disks to the RamSan is a fairly simple "copy->paste" operation, however due to the sheer amount of data being moved (1.1 TB), it will take us around 4 - 5 hours just to copy! Add in an hour or so of buffer and testing, and you have a 6 hour downtime.
I LOLed. You ever heard about online storage migration? Anyway I am fairly unimpressed. CCP's utilising old MS technology on fairly low level hardware. Even the RAMsan specs are low. You should upgrade to an enterprise class storage solution that can grow with the load.
But meh. You are running on Windows after all ...
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2009.02.16 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Hugh Ruka
You ever heard about online storage migration?
Google haven't either
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.02.16 16:26:00 -
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Just for pure penii measuring against other MMO's and datacenters, how does EVE/CCP's network stack against the world of networking in terms of power and capability?
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Rhys Onasi
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Posted - 2009.02.16 16:26:00 -
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CCP Mindstar overcompensated a bit too much (for the potential dullness of this dev blog) with his cheeriness... I think he's spent a little too much time alone with the server...
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Gummi
Laughing Leprechauns Corporation
Lotto Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.02.16 16:27:00 -
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Woot "Target is invulnerable, target is invulnerable" could be a thing of the past.
*Cough*
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XoPhyte
Black Nova Corp
KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.02.16 16:29:00 -
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Very nice.
I can remember the market before the first RAMSAN was put into place, very slow.
I wish people had more perspective on what Eve used to be like 3 years ago, and really how much it has gotten better. Before we used to complain about 50 man fleet fights. Now 1000 man fleet fights are possible
Market is vastly better now. Now if you can just get to building us some API interfaces into it then all will be right with the world. 
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CCP Claw
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Posted - 2009.02.16 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Rhys Onasi
CCP Mindstar overcompensated a bit too much (for the potential dullness of this dev blog) with his cheeriness... I think he's spent a little too much time alone with the server...
He wasn't alone <3
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Dr Resheph
Amarr
YOU ARE NOW READING THIS LOUDLY
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Posted - 2009.02.16 16:30:00 -
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That's hot.
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Katabrok First
Caldari
Star Mandate
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Posted - 2009.02.16 16:32:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fallout
In the words of the infamous Mindstar... "that's what she said!"
Speaking of Mindstar, he's just published a new blog on what's coming with Thursday's extended downtime.
So what is coming? A brand new RamSan. What does that mean exactly? The death of database lag... shorter expansion deployments... shorter morning downtimes! And, most importantly, a very excited and happy Mindstar!
Ok man, will it be thursday or wednesday? In the news linked in your post, it says wednesday, not thursday.
Thanks
Kata
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2009.02.16 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Hugh Ruka
Even the RAMsan specs are low. You should upgrade to an enterprise class storage solution that can grow with the load.
But meh. You are running on Windows after all ...
Compare random I/Os per second on the RAMsan400 and 500 vs enterprise class storage in the same size range. Then come back and say you're unimpressed.
Originally by: Signature
Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2009.02.16 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Hugh Ruka
You ever heard about online storage migration?
Google haven't either
funny, seems not to work on Windows. doing it quite often for several TB large Oracle databases. it's application transparent and performance impact is minimal. but not on windows 
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Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2009.02.16 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Washell Olivaw
Originally by: Hugh Ruka
Even the RAMsan specs are low. You should upgrade to an enterprise class storage solution that can grow with the load.
But meh. You are running on Windows after all ...
Compare random I/Os per second on the RAMsan400 and 500 vs enterprise class storage in the same size range. Then come back and say you're unimpressed.
100 000 iops ? for the whole array ? I am working with solutions that do 16k+ per host port and I can allocate this when I need to with good SAN design and LVM layout.
but yeah, for the size range. anyway modern arrays can exchange host port cards (iscsi, fc, infiniband), same for disk backends (ssd, traditional disks).
I guess for the small size of the EVE database, those arrays are not financialy viable.
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.02.16 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Hugh Ruka
I guess for the small size of the EVE database, enterprise class arrays are not financialy viable.
Although I have next to no understanding of what you and the other were posting, I was nearly certain this was the case.
Not everyone works at google dude.
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Sade Onyx
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Posted - 2009.02.16 16:54:00 -
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Will all 208 nodes eventually be upgraded?
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Treelox
Amarr
Seppuku Warriors
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Posted - 2009.02.16 16:54:00 -
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Super Sexy Techno Geekness
Also just for laughs some day, I would love to know how many BTU's your server/database throws off during prime time on a Sunday. Imagine all the Ramen you could cook...
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Rude Bwoy
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Posted - 2009.02.16 16:58:00 -
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instead of running a windows 'node' on each blade, incurring Windows license fees / all that patching, why don't you use two whopping big UNIX boxes ?
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BenjaminBarker
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Posted - 2009.02.16 17:08:00 -
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Can we get a nice little bullet pointed list of all the shiny stuff in the server room?
I want to forward to a few IT guy friends, and there is no way they'll take the time to read the blog  |
LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2009.02.16 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Rude Bwoy
instead of running a windows 'node' on each blade, incurring Windows license fees / all that patching, why don't you use two whopping big UNIX boxes ?
And you should totally administer it, because you seem to know what you are talking about.
CCP, hire this guy!
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Nierna
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Posted - 2009.02.16 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Rude Bwoy
instead of running a windows 'node' on each blade, incurring Windows license fees / all that patching, why don't you use two whopping big UNIX boxes ?
they just disabled the auto patcher. your not seposed to be able to fiddle around on those nodes anyway :).
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Halycon Gamma
Caldari
The Flying Tigers
United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.16 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Rude Bwoy
instead of running a windows 'node' on each blade, incurring Windows license fees / all that patching, why don't you use two whopping big UNIX boxes ?
And you should totally administer it, because you seem to know what you are talking about.
CCP, hire this guy!
Because when CCP decided to build Eve, they decided to be a MS house. Now add in many many years of constant development, and you get lots of microsoft only widgets all over the place. Its not impossible for CCP to one day to suddenly decide "we're gunna run *nix servers!", but the longer and longer you get away from that initial start date of eve, the harder it gets. MS does nothing if not constantly add in more and more MS only non standard commands and ideas to everything it touches. Which in turn CCP would be insane not to implement because some of them really do make work faster and easier.
So you get more and more MS calls in database etc. Until no you simply can't switch because the man hours it would take to restart from scratch on a different platform is a huge undertaking.
Same reason they dropped Linux support, and Apple support could be dropped sooner or later too. By welding themselves to DX and other third party windows apps, they are constantly moving farther and farther away from an OS agnostic system. The company they pay for the wrappers can't actually make it work as well as anyone would want because of licensing that MS won't give. You run into all sorts of IP problems. Since the moment it came out, linux version of Eve has ran better on a third party emulator software than what CCP shipped. Probably similar on the apple side.
I'm not saying all this stuff is bad, it just IS. When CCP started building eve, DX was the latest and greatest thing on the market with the lowest point of entry. OpenGL was in one of its occasional slumps from the committee style of development it uses, and waiting for it to catch up would have taken ages. No-one had too much faith in Linux as a heavy server OS yet, web-server, sure. But people were only just starting to play with it as a dedicated database platform. And true Unix Platforms such as AIX, Solaris, or something similar required huge investments of hardware capital that most people simply can't afford for a startup untested company like CCP; on a game they weren't ever sure would work. x86 servers, with MS as the OS was, and IS, the logical choice.
Now, 8-9 years later, the hardware software market is a completely different world than it was then. But once you've made your choices, your sorta stuck with them unless you want to invest millions of dollars in undoing them. And for now and the immediate future, MS stuff works for them.
Why mess with it?
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Cergorach
Amarr
The Helix Foundation
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Posted - 2009.02.16 17:41:00 -
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A question about the Ramsan 400 vs. 500 performance.
Here: http://www.superssd.com/products_sub.htm
It looks like that the 400 is faster then the 500, Is that true, or am I missing something? Have you guys start nagging for a Ramsan 5000 ? *grins*
Is it necessary to upgrade the other 104 nodes to new hardware (in the short term)? And please post how the nehlams perform (and when you upgrade the Jita server again with that new proc ;-)
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes
Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2009.02.16 17:44:00 -
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Could your pretty pretty pretty please take some pix to share with us from the racks (both front and behind) next time you guys are in London? Or pix or stfu as they say! hehehe ;)
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Originally by: CCP Prism X
I can invent ways to get free candy for you where the implementation is so bad that you'd never want to see candy again in your whole life.
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