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Shadoo Gallente North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.18 19:30:00 - [121] Oh Mistress Suffering, you of all people too .
The Mittani Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.18 19:31:00 - [122] waagaa must have mistaken this thread for a gate~
Ykatni Gallente Black Nova Corp KenZoku	Posted - 2009.02.18 19:31:00 - [123] I guess you are trying to rally the troops that are bored of camping stations and pos's with very little pew pew. It gets old after a while since I can speak from experience. I wish I had a current picture of you so I could put a "Mission Accomplished" banner behind you. That way in a month or two we would have a reference to your foolishness.
frozenphil Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.18 19:32:00 - [124] I hurt myself today To see if I still feel I focus on the pain The only thing that's real The needle tears a hole The old familiar sting Try to kill it all away But I remember everything [Chorus:] What have I become My sweetest friend Everyone I know goes away In the end And you could have it all My empire of dirt I will let you down I will make you hurt I wear this crown of thorns Upon my liar's chair Full of broken thoughts I cannot repair Beneath the stains of time The feelings disappear You are someone else I am still right here [Chorus:] What have I become My sweetest friend Everyone I know goes away In the end And you could have it all My empire of dirt I will let you down I will make you hurt If I could start again A million miles away I would keep myself I would find a way
Drexeh Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.18 19:32:00 - [125] Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Originally by: Anita mann Originally by: Darius JOHNSON You should really get over yourself and goonswarm as a whole. The only thing you and your kin have done is lose 3 regions and throw some pos's up in Delve. I havent even seen 1 chest beating thread started by the NC and mabee 1 from PL but yet they are the ones doing all of the fighting and truly killing kenny. No, I don't think there's any confusion about who is doing most of the work in Delve. Goonfleet have towered up a bigger constellation / more station systems than anyone, they've sieged more towers than anyone else, and they have better logistics in place (as far as I can tell) than anyone else. Even if you look at our killboard, you can see it's goonfleet leading the way this week: Quote: 1.Drexeh 127,501 2.Xiut 124,500 3.Yaacov121,502 4.HimmelVogel120,002 5.Ghitza117,002 6.Rapturea 112,500 You're trying to create resentment where there is none; I don't think anyone truly cares about a certain alliance not pulling their weight or getting more than they deserve. At the end of the day, BoB is dead and that's all that matters. The details can be figured out later. Found this thread searching for Xiut
Psimitry Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.18 19:32:00 - [126] Elements of deception sow elements of buttes. -Sun Tzu.
Sen Xia Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.18 19:33:00 - [127] Originally by: 7Boy Curry I'm so confused. Everytime I read a thread here it seems like goons are destroying many ken and gbc ships. Yet when I surfed some of the killboards of tbc it seems to tell a different story? I know that an upstanding alliance like goons would never knowingly inflate reports to make themselves look better than they are, so can someone explain to me how this works? Is this what they call meta-gaming? It's what you're trying to do with your post but failing horribly which is why you aren't in delve killing kenny.
Althair Erin Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.18 19:33:00 - [128] Originally by: Ykatni I guess you are trying to rally the troops that are bored of camping stations and pos's with very little pew pew. It gets old after a while since I can speak from experience. I wish I had a current picture of you so I could put a "Mission Accomplished" banner behind you. That way in a month or two we would have a reference to your foolishness. This man gets the character of this thread perfectly. -------------- The Hope of the younger generation
Shadoo Gallente North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.18 19:33:00 - [129] Originally by: Ykatni I guess you are trying to rally the troops that are bored of camping stations and pos's with very little pew pew. It gets old after a while since I can speak from experience. I wish I had a current picture of you so I could put a "Mission Accomplished" banner behind you. That way in a month or two we would have a reference to your foolishness. Oh look, now we can start playing the "spot the locals" history check on COAD too!
Triest Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.18 19:34:00 - [130] You know, I'd really started to give up on CAOD. Then along comes this thread and makes it all so worthwhile.

Tamir Lenk Caldari Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.18 19:34:00 - [131] Our goal in Eve is to control all of 0.0 space, and when thatÆs done weÆre going to take over the empire one by one and control the empire as well. Only then will New Eden be safe from the insidious dangers of anime.
Dramaticus Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.18 19:37:00 - [132] Originally by: Shadoo Originally by: Ykatni I guess you are trying to rally the troops that are bored of camping stations and pos's with very little pew pew. It gets old after a while since I can speak from experience. I wish I had a current picture of you so I could put a "Mission Accomplished" banner behind you. That way in a month or two we would have a reference to your foolishness. Oh look, now we can start playing the "spot the locals" history check on COAD too! we have too since they dont log in anymore Please don't use RL pictuers of players in Sig without permission. - WeatherMan
Richyp Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.18 19:37:00 - [133] Originally by: Ykatni I guess you are trying to rally the troops that are bored of camping stations and pos's with very little pew pew. It gets old after a while since I can speak from experience. Actually sitting outside the station popping random pods is a nice passive activity that frees up time to do other stuff. With goon ADD that's not a bad thing and will unlikely get old. TL;DR buttes
Zeph1rus Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.18 19:37:00 - [134] Originally by: Ykatni I guess you are trying to rally the troops that are bored of camping stations and pos's with very little pew pew. It gets old after a while since I can speak from experience. I wish I had a current picture of you so I could put a "Mission Accomplished" banner behind you. That way in a month or two we would have a reference to your foolishness. Oh god we sure hate camping failed alliances into stations, i mean for sure am getting thoroughly bored i mean its just like KOS,V,ISS,LV,ISS,RISE,GBC etc etc... I am also thoroughly dissapointed that an appropriate representative of kenneth has not yet stated what the appropriate number of cycles for my wireless telegraphy device, which makes me sad
Narciss Sevar Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.18 19:38:00 - [135] Edited by: Narciss Sevar on 18/02/2009 19:39:28 Originally by: Ykatni I guess you are trying to rally the troops that are bored of camping stations and pos's with very little pew pew. It gets old after a while since I can speak from experience. I wish I had a current picture of you so I could put a "Mission Accomplished" banner behind you. That way in a month or two we would have a reference to your foolishness. Where did the Kengoku go wrong? Meh. In forum char I guess I'd have to say "when they ****ed PL off" but given the direction of this thread and my current boredom, I'll ramble on. The whole, Kengoku coulda been xyz is entirely irrelevant, as any corp could be something different if they chose to do xyz instead. The only thing that sets Kengoku apart is their orgin and their sense of entitlement that it brings. That's it. They are really no more special then anyone else in this game. The reasons PL are attacking Kengoku are many obviously. Most of them being none of anyones business. The decision was made and you all know their are only 2 people who can say something FOR PL. The rest here are simply forum whoring, including me! That being said, the decision to kill Kengoku doesn't paint them all with guilt for 1 incident. That's the straw that broke the camels back. And no I don't go into detail if that incident ... as that is how I personally show respect for those with direct involvement, but that's a personal decision. People deal with things differently, and that's fine by me. For the sick anime watching brigade, PL has never shied away from a fight. Their has always been some new big thing that would "someday teach us a lesson". We're still waiting. Kengoku went ALL IN against the NC and lost. Sure the NC lost some dreads(big deal), but other then that I heard they didn't break a sweat. As for "someday" meh. It is pure stupidity to assume they would ever make it to "someday". Most alliances split themselves apart long befor they ever reach a point to challenge us. Kengoku have very poor leadership. That is evident to anyone. No alliance with leadership like that will ever get far without imploding. Ok, done typing. I have kickboxing to do....
Shinma Apollo Caldari Shut Up And Play	Posted - 2009.02.18 19:39:00 - [136] P. good troll. Did you guys go back 2 years and just rework old BoB posts, or just theme day it?
The Mittani Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.18 19:41:00 - [137] It is exceedingly sad that the straw that broke the camel's back was related to these cartoons. I would love for that not to have happened and us to have decided to shoot you anyway for all the other reasons you are target worthy. Unfortunately we are where we are and enough Goonswarm pilots got **ed off today that the scales were tipped and action is being taken. The cause of our ire is now irrelevant but quite why anyone is surprised at us being more than a little **ed off about it is not very clued up on human nature. Live with it and get it on in game.
Mistress Suffering Amarr Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2009.02.18 19:42:00 - [138] Originally by: Shadoo Oh Mistress Suffering, you of all people too . Hey now, you can't have all the forum fun. This campaign sounds a lot more fun to read about, than actually try to stay awake through in system ;)
Kayl Breinhar Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.18 19:43:00 - [139] Edited by: Kayl Breinhar on 18/02/2009 19:46:30 Originally by: Mistress Suffering Finally BoB gets the opportunity it needs to...rebirth itself. "This has all happened before and will happen again." Someone's been watching a bit too much BSG. There are two things that motivate Goons in EVE. One is winning against and summarily eradicating an entity that made war on us because of a misguided notion of e-Chivalry. The second is profit. There is plenty of both to be had in Delve, Querious, and Period Basis. I'm gathering most of the "new" people in BoB-now-KenGoku & assorted pets joined for the latter, and now they don't have that anymore. "Rebirth itself?" From what, exactly? The diluted DNA of "ancient" corps long defunct and the "most promising" of their pets? You can't clone something from stool samples, sorry to say. And just for a proper ****post-style closing, here's my own appropriate modified sci-fi quote: "We've done far worse than kill you, Kenny. We've hurt you. And we wish to go on...hurting you. We shall leave you as you left us, as you sought to leave everyone; marooned for all eternity in NPC 0.0 and Empire...buried alive! Buried alive!"
The Mittani Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.18 19:43:00 - [140] Understand the following.. 1. The anime incident is the straw that broke the camel's back (the cartoons were current so the whole 4 month old joke line is just garbage). 2. Having started as an amusing sideshow and a new initiative to be cheered on, KenGoku have shown their true colors. 3. We don't like you. 4. We really don't like your japanimation. 5. We think your attitude stinks and you're a blight on this community. 6. We are going to fight you because of 1-5 and because we can. We don't give a toss what Kenny or anyone else for that matter thinks of our reasons for targeting you as we are doing it anyway. We have never needed anyone else's approval for doing anything in Eve nor do we now. There are numerous people we would rather be singling out for our next major project however you, your ******ed weeaboo habits, your attitude and your heater-fixing CEO have gathered enough points on the "nextalliancetodie-o-meter" that we are going to end you. See you in space.

Montasque Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.18 19:44:00 - [141] This forum thread deserves my applause. I haven't read so much of a corporations forum thread so thoroughly in what seems like an eternity - and its a great reminder that I still care about EVE. To answer the question "where did the KenZoku go wrong?" by itself is impossible. Go wrong at what? To people like Mittani/Darius, they failed to bring a new angle of thinking to what they deem as an old and jaded community. They are upset the opportunity to do something entirely new was squandered. Instead they fell into the same habits that I see a thousand other corporations making. I'm sure some Goons will disagree, but the simple fact that you are new to EVE and everything is new to YOU does not mean we haven't seen it all before. Your tactics, your leadership, your structure, your loyalty, your approach. None of it is unique, despite believing the contrary, and I think if there was ever an expert on radical thought it would be Dungar Loghoth. So the first failure of expectation is innovation. I say expectation, because that is what some people wanted to see. It doesn't mean that KenZoku was trying to innovate in the first place or that they should innovate, because after all, the standard and established norms which I find stagnant are generally the ones that have mass appeal. They simply wanted to provide a stable and friendly environment for old, failed vets from EXE, SCA, SkunkWorks, and LV to flourish in, and you can't do that with wild ideas which are harder to grasp than the game itself - unless your leader is more charismatic than Jesus and has the intellect of Einstein and the cunning of Sun Tzu. To see 2000+ people running around with radical political viewpoints and unorthodox (non-metagaming) strategies would be quite the sight. In fact, I'd real money to see that just because it would turn EVE on its freaking head. And I'm sure that making public my own personal dissapointment, and having my ideaologies associated with JF will cause me violent fits of vomiting for many nights to come. Sorry Dungar:) The second reason why people's expectations were let down with KenZoku was their inability to capitalize on the tiny foothold they were given into 0.0 politics/warfare (through sheer luck, might I add) in any sort of long term capacity. They sorta had it, and then they didn't. For this, I squarely blame the current leadership - SirMolle. He may have the ability to stir up the buttes, but you can't expect to have any long term success without the planning, logistics and sheer political cunning to go along with it. The internal drama which was posted on E-O boards between SirMolle and his directors, Thol and Clfux, perfectly exemplifies his inability to accept that HE ALONE IS NOT KENZOKU. He may have created it, he may have the powers to destroy it. All corporations go through creation and destruction (eventually) and what matters is what you do in between. SirMolle simply doesn't have the patience/stamina for it. The cold hard truth is that he likely created KenZoku as his own personal shortcut to the success/fame he's been unable to grasp in the last three years on his own.
Fulmen Amarr Failed Diplomacy	Posted - 2009.02.18 19:44:00 - [142] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Now you're being prosecuted for the actions of a very few people, who unfortunately for Kenny , have a commanding position within the corporation. For it to end, you'll have to learn this isn't BoB Clone #2657 the hard way. We will keep teaching you the meaning of consequence for as long as you give us a reason. And you will learn, my God you will learn - either by disassociating yourselves from the trash that started this (which you've begun already) or finding your own path in EVE outside of Kenny. You can think of Goonswarm as parents, scolding children for unruly behaviour. You can think of the community as Borg, forcing assimilation upon you under penalty of death. Pick and choose they are free metaphors, I really don't care. But what you're fighting against is nothing short of omnipotence itself. Only a cause delivered by the Divine can motivate the most bored and jaded newbees of EVE to camp your stupid shuttles into pr- 24/7. And thats what this war is, a Holy War. We put a Jihad on you, and you'll find that even the thickest roleplay variations of this war (which I may be spewing now actually!) are quite hurty. You're going to go through days, weeks, and most likely months of ingame pressure and constraint. Until one day, you finally realize its not a place to pew pew and irritate the crap out of everyone who doesn't suckle on molle's teats and condemn anyone who even thinks of pulling another stupidly unfunny stunt. Then, and only then will the cancer be gone. NOL has fallen and there's nowhere left for you to run. Originally by: SirMolle At this time, this statement is all you get. Those who have been around long enough, know that our word is solid, and that we do what we say we will. Those who do not, will learn. We don't make up RP situations and sit inside stations and fantasize, we play the game and act accordingly to the statements we give. Any RP you will see from us is based solely on facts, and never fiction. Our statement is clear, we have no wish to try and convince anyone, this statement is good enough for us, and our sources are valid. That is all that matters. You, sirs, may make up your own minds. That is not our decision. Our decision is made. Sincerely SirMolle, CEO, Evolution
Montasque Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.18 19:44:00 - [143] So did KenZoku prove the point that even high skilled characters from useless alliances like AXE, SCA, Skunkworks, and EXE can wrestle with serious alliances in 0.0? If they wish to believe they did, simply by contesting G-H for two weeks, fine. But I don't believe they did. To prove a point they would have to been able to not only contest but hold that space. To prove that KenZokuÆs ambition is more powerful than all the buttes and dongs in reserves of GoonSwarm. To show that skillpoints and dreadnaughts DO matter more than organization. In the end they lost the space. They didn't have the proper attitude going in, because a lot of it was "its okay if we lose it, we're are all vets and not Æ06 nub!". If you go into any war with the option of defeat being "acceptable" by a large majority of your membership, that is the only outcome you'll recieve when there is any pressure put upon you. A mistake you are making now with the latest Delve war. And initially you had the right idea of hiring AAA to do the Dread work, because really.. thats the only recourse you have when you can't fly a dread out of fear. But in the end you simply hold onto that concept. So what are we at now? Lack of innovation, and lack of organization. You've dissapointed quite a lot of people right there, but they were unfair expectations to begin with. It would be nice to see an entity come in and blitz the entire cluster in their first couple months, but the sad reality is that you can't do that. EVE has a steep as hell learning curve and the only way you'll be anything more than "MAX FAILURE" is with time. We all did it, so will you. But I think the even sadder reality is that many people (especially new ones) will misunderstand this and see it as "I can't compete unless I have Buttes and Donges" which is entirely untrue. My largest pet peeve about this community is the overestablished relevance of Buttes and Donges - and I was hoping an EVE based community would come in to clearly and definitively prove otherwise. Of course, to blame KenZoku of these two "failures" would be pretty silly. 99% of EVE's corporations can be blamed of being useless old vets that are lacking innovation. Yes, thats a worthy topic of discussion. The real question should be "what have the KenZoku done to deserve being held back / hated / oppressed / insertsomething ?" And boy, am I going to love answering this question. I will say now that any Kenny who seriously believes it was done to curb them from being a future threat is simply put: a moron. There IS a certain expectation from GoonSwarm when it comes to how other entities treat us. It doesn't require asskissing, or fear, or even general basic compliance to anything we say or do ingame. I'd be lying if I said those weren't nice when they do happen. But I'd also be lying if I said that is exactly what we/I want. No, I want people to think they can beat me. I want them to try, hard. I want them to go to great lengths at showing EVE just exactly how much "Goons suck". Why? Because its fun fighting people who try. I'm not saying anybody who doesn't try to Jihad us is bending/rolling over, they could simply have similar political and strategic viewpoints (FIX is a good example). Getting that out of the way lets me focus on the core problem. We all know the reprocussions of them. KenZoku in its current state will never be allowed to exist in EVE, ever. If you take that as the threat of GoonSwarm hounding you ingame for all eternity, good. If I said this extends to the entire EVE community and end up sounding arrogant in your eyes, thats fine too. I do not represent the "EVE community", but GoonSwarm is part of it, and I know the people who I personally associate with and the community which we as a group associate with - and it we would simply not be a part of this mythological "EVE community" if it blindly accepted the cancerous filth that resides within KenZoku
Cippalippus Primus Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.18 19:45:00 - [144] You know, once upon a time BoB was a very good alliance, with great FCs, top notch pilots, best equipment due to a lot of T2 BPOs, extremely good in high lag situations; but with some very big attitude issues. The FCs stopped playing. The top notch pilots were replaced by their pets who, as the name implies, couldn't stand their ground. Invention was introduced, and everyone started flying T2. Lag was fixed. And all that was left was the attitude. The rest, is Haargoth's story. -clp
D4rkF4lcon Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.18 19:45:00 - [145] Originally by: Narciss Sevar Edited by: Narciss Sevar on 18/02/2009 19:39:28 Originally by: Ykatni I guess you are trying to rally the troops that are bored of camping stations and pos's with very little pew pew. It gets old after a while since I can speak from experience. I wish I had a current picture of you so I could put a "Mission Accomplished" banner behind you. That way in a month or two we would have a reference to your foolishness. Where did the Kengoku go wrong? Meh. In forum char I guess I'd have to say "when they ****ed PL off" but given the direction of this thread and my current boredom, I'll ramble on. The whole, Kengoku coulda been xyz is entirely irrelevant, as any corp could be something different if they chose to do xyz instead. The only thing that sets Kengoku apart is their orgin and their sense of entitlement that it brings. That's it. They are really no more special then anyone else in this game. The reasons PL are attacking Kengoku are many obviously. Most of them being none of anyones business. The decision was made and you all know their are only 2 people who can say something FOR PL. The rest here are simply forum whoring, including me! That being said, the decision to kill Kengoku doesn't paint them all with guilt for 1 incident. That's the straw that broke the camels back. And no I don't go into detail if that incident ... as that is how I personally show respect for those with direct involvement, but that's a personal decision. People deal with things differently, and that's fine by me. For the sick anime watching brigade, PL has never shied away from a fight. Their has always been some new big thing that would "someday teach us a lesson". We're still waiting. Kengoku went ALL IN against the NC and lost. Sure the NC lost some dreads(big deal), but other then that I heard they didn't break a sweat. As for "someday" meh. It is pure stupidity to assume they would ever make it to "someday". Most alliances split themselves apart long befor they ever reach a point to challenge us. Kengoku have very poor leadership. That is evident to anyone. No alliance with leadership like that will ever get far without imploding. Ok, done typing. I have kickboxing to do.... So where did you hide Narciss's body?
Putabagonmyhead Caldari THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.	Posted - 2009.02.18 19:47:00 - [146] Well Bnc being run by coranor is the main reason. BL used to run a great corp that had respect threw out the eve universe. Now BNC is a joke. BOB is failing because they had their alliance destroyed from within. The drestroyer from within wouldnt have done what he did had Bl been running things. The fact that BL tried to come back to BNC and coranor told him no that he was the boss should have been enough to get him run out of there in the first place. enjoy empire coranor. a place where all crappy ceos eventually end up.
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Evolution KenZoku	Posted - 2009.02.18 19:47:00 - [147] This is probably the best post in this thread. Originally by: Cippalippus Primus You know, once upon a time BoB was a very good alliance, with great FCs, top notch pilots, best equipment due to a lot of T2 BPOs, extremely good in high lag situations; but with some very big attitude issues. The FCs stopped playing. The top notch pilots were replaced by their pets who, as the name implies, couldn't stand their ground. Invention was introduced, and everyone started flying T2. Lag was fixed. And all that was left was the attitude. The rest, is Haargoth's story.
Waffle King Gallente THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.	Posted - 2009.02.18 19:48:00 - [148] Originally by: Ykatni Our plan is to do nothing until you have sov 3 in all of delve and querious. Yeah... GL being on the other side of a cyno jammed Delve.
The Mittani Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.18 19:49:00 - [149] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr This is probably the best post in this thread. Originally by: Cippalippus Primus You know, once upon a time BoB was a very good alliance, with great FCs, top notch pilots, best equipment due to a lot of T2 BPOs, extremely good in high lag situations; but with some very big attitude issues. The FCs stopped playing. The top notch pilots were replaced by their pets who, as the name implies, couldn't stand their ground. Invention was introduced, and everyone started flying T2. Lag was fixed. And all that was left was the attitude. The rest, is Haargoth's story. sorry son, the best post was when you got 0wned~
Dungar Loghoth Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.18 19:50:00 - [150] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr This is probably the best post in this thread. Originally by: Cippalippus Primus You know, once upon a time BoB was a very good alliance, with great FCs, top notch pilots, best equipment due to a lot of T2 BPOs, extremely good in high lag situations; but with some very big attitude issues. The FCs stopped playing. The top notch pilots were replaced by their pets who, as the name implies, couldn't stand their ground. Invention was introduced, and everyone started flying T2. Lag was fixed. And all that was left was the attitude. The rest, is Haargoth's story. see im rolling with the punches --- Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal



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