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Lumen Atra Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.18 19:51:00 - [151] Originally by: Waffle King Originally by: Ykatni Our plan is to do nothing until you have sov 3 in all of delve and querious. Yeah... GL being on the other side of a cyno jammed Delve. Don't worry about that. Kenny's superior tactics will show everybody how easy it is to take Delve when everything is Sov3/4 and cynojammed. They are getting reading to loose their true chess master plan.
Montasque Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.18 19:51:00 - [152] If you've read this far and feel insulted at my last statement, don't. You're probably not part of it. I tread lightly for this next part, because I know blanket statements are stupid. But the public perception of the KenZoku community (from an outside perspective) is basically this: Its a community that I believe started with an honestly arrogant and douchey premise, then mutated into something even worse. When you get such a large community based around "douche-baggary", people will naturally get a bit competitive and try to become the doucheist one of them all. They then start believing 'any response is a good response' and slowly the truly funny stuff got buried under mountains of what I deem trolling. There are hundreds maybe thousands of people in KenZoku who believe that douchery lies in insulting or "poking fun at" anything and everything. This gets a response, which may not always be positive. In defense people start saying "its only the Internet man, dont be so serious", which slowly begins to mutate into "nothing should ever be taken seriously on the Internet, because its not real". This one phrase is the catalyst for everything that is wrong with the KenZoku community, and the Internet at large. Its used as a carte blanche to act like a ****** towards other individuals across the Internet. This has continued for long enough to become the prevailing image of KenZoku, which has then resulted in further multiplication of members like that. Now they have majority rule. To feel insulted by "hacking the game and cheating" is against the status quo, and the very borders of the KenZoku community itself. Anyone who steps outside of it will be threatened and intimidated into submission of one form or another. Going against it at this point is pretty much impossible. There are no reprocussions of behaving this way because the community pretty much encourages it, and being hacking and cheating doesn't break any known Internet law(I think).. so within the safety net of privately hosted forums, BatPhones, and MSN chatlogs and carte blanche statements, KenZoku truly exists. Even if SirMolle wanted to change the community, which I don't think he would given his fame and phat girlfriend, the only way to do it would be by destroying it and removing the communal meeting place of Internet delinquency. Whoa there MONTY, thems some mighty fine rhetorics! But what does this gots ta do with EVE????? To put it bluntly, if people wanted to hack and cheat and intimidate the people of EvE with real life violence for in game actions clowns towards each other, they'd be giving it to SirMolle and not CCP. People come to EVE because they want to play an internet space game, not hack, threaten and intimidate people Ok? The LARGE majority of KenZoku has done this quite well. To argue this would be silly. The EVE community is tight, and thus passionate about making this the best MMO in existance. Some have been around for nearly five years, which is about four years of when it wasn't even a thoroughly "playable" game. We aren't attacking you because we despite newbies, or your internet spaceships might kill our internet spaceships in the far future. The tasteless remarks made about Haargoth was done by a small group of people within your ranks who are still playing the game as real life, and not any life, but your sick and twisted RP fantasy, where EvE actually matters. They did it to get c0bra, but instead they got the bytes.
Harry Besebes Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.18 19:52:00 - [153] Pubbie History Lesson: Originally by: DigitalCommunist Where things went really wrong.. ..was when the rest of the Goons defended these people out of some misguided attempt to preserve freedom of speech, and to a larger extent.. out of sheer habit and fear of prosecution (defining borders of your community = dont take it seriously man! its just a game!). That is the exact moment in time where you failed; failed to respect our community, failed to realize there may be consequences for doing so, failed to police yourselves. So now what? Now you're being prosecuted for the actions of a very few people, who unfortunately for GoonSwarm, have a commanding position within the corporation. For it to end, you'll have to learn this isn't SA Clone #2657 the hard way. We will keep teaching you the meaning of consequence for as long as you give us a reason. And you will learn, my God you will learn - either by disassociating yourselves from the trash that started this (which you've begun already) or finding your own path in EVE outside of GS. You can think of BoB as parents, scolding children for unruly behaviour. You can think of the community as Borg, forcing assimilation upon you under penalty of death. Pick and choose they are free metaphors, I really don't care. But what you're fighting against is nothing short of omnipotence itself. Only a cause delivered by the Divine can motivate the most bored and jaded vets of EVE to camp your stupid shuttles 24/7. And thats what this war is, a Holy War. We put a Jihad on you, and you'll find that even the thickest roleplay variations of this war (which I may be spewing now actually!) are quite hurty. You're going to go through days, weeks, and most likely months of ingame pressure and constraint. Until one day, you finally realize its not a place to pew pew and irritate the crap out of everyone who doesn't suckle on lowtax's teats and condemn anyone who even thinks of pulling another stupidly unfunny stunt. Then, and only then will the cancer be gone. DigitalCommunist
mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.18 19:52:00 - [154] that banner is the best image constructed by mankind. i ignore the thread and continue staring at the banner.
Kal'Kalagan Minmatar Aggressive Tendencies Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2009.02.18 19:52:00 - [155] Edited by: Kal''Kalagan on 18/02/2009 19:53:16 Quote: Historically, in eve, wars have been fought over a single incorrect comment to the wrong person. This is why most 0.0 alliances have control of their members. They understand that in order to hold space you need to be respectful of everyone else in eve or you will run into trouble lol, this from a Goon? Goons who do not give a gf in local after a good fight but hearl abuse and smack. Goons who call everyone who opposses them ***gots. Goons who try and scam anyone who crosses their path. All I can say is, lol. Bob may not be respectful of its allies, but Goons are every bit as bad. Hypocracy of the highest order detected here. ..yes I am in Veritas, no I am not bitter about Scalding Pass, please commence flaming..
Althair Erin Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.18 19:53:00 - [156] Kal'Kalagan for CEO of Goonswarm, bring in a new era of politeness and honour -------------- The Hope of the younger generation
Virtuozzo Gallente The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.02.18 19:53:00 - [157] Originally by: Cippalippus Primus You know, once upon a time BoB was a very good alliance, with great FCs, top notch pilots, best equipment due to a lot of T2 BPOs, extremely good in high lag situations; but with some very big attitude issues. The FCs stopped playing. The top notch pilots were replaced by their pets who, as the name implies, couldn't stand their ground. Invention was introduced, and everyone started flying T2. Lag was fixed. And all that was left was the attitude. The rest, is Haargoth's story. Winning post. ≡v≡
Snowden Vel Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.18 19:54:00 - [158] Originally by: Harry Besebes Pubbie History Lesson: Originally by: DigitalCommunist Where things went really wrong.. ..was when the rest of the Goons defended these people out of some misguided attempt to preserve freedom of speech, and to a larger extent.. out of sheer habit and fear of prosecution (defining borders of your community = dont take it seriously man! its just a game!). That is the exact moment in time where you failed; failed to respect our community, failed to realize there may be consequences for doing so, failed to police yourselves. So now what? Now you're being prosecuted for the actions of a very few people, who unfortunately for GoonSwarm, have a commanding position within the corporation. For it to end, you'll have to learn this isn't SA Clone #2657 the hard way. We will keep teaching you the meaning of consequence for as long as you give us a reason. And you will learn, my God you will learn - either by disassociating yourselves from the trash that started this (which you've begun already) or finding your own path in EVE outside of GS. You can think of BoB as parents, scolding children for unruly behaviour. You can think of the community as Borg, forcing assimilation upon you under penalty of death. Pick and choose they are free metaphors, I really don't care. But what you're fighting against is nothing short of omnipotence itself. Only a cause delivered by the Divine can motivate the most bored and jaded vets of EVE to camp your stupid shuttles 24/7. And thats what this war is, a Holy War. We put a Jihad on you, and you'll find that even the thickest roleplay variations of this war (which I may be spewing now actually!) are quite hurty. You're going to go through days, weeks, and most likely months of ingame pressure and constraint. Until one day, you finally realize its not a place to pew pew and irritate the crap out of everyone who doesn't suckle on lowtax's teats and condemn anyone who even thinks of pulling another stupidly unfunny stunt. Then, and only then will the cancer be gone. DigitalCommunist stop fakeposting Originally by: Sergeant Spot Did BoB "plan" to lose all its space? ...if it does, its still just a detail within a successful plan
The Mittani Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.18 19:55:00 - [159] Originally by: Kal'Kalagan Edited by: Kal''Kalagan on 18/02/2009 19:53:16 Quote: Historically, in eve, wars have been fought over a single incorrect comment to the wrong person. This is why most 0.0 alliances have control of their members. They understand that in order to hold space you need to be respectful of everyone else in eve or you will run into trouble lol, this from a Goon? Goons who do not give a gf in local after a good fight but hearl abuse and smack. Goons who call everyone who opposses them ***gots. Goons who try and scam anyone who crosses their path. All I can say is, lol. Bob may not be respectful of its allies, but Goons are every bit as bad. Hypocracy of the highest order detected here. ..yes I am in Veritas, no I am not bitter about Scalding Pass, please commence flaming.. your rifters are very impressive, your posting skills not so much~
The Mittani Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.18 19:56:00 - [160] seriously kal'kalagan taught gs a lot about rifters vs interceptors (total seriouspost oh god) he was the lone bright star of competence in veritas

ThorTheGreat Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.18 19:56:00 - [161] Originally by: Kal'Kalagan lol, this from a Goon? Goons who do not give a gf in local after a good fight but hearl abuse and smack. Goons who call everyone who opposses them ***gots. Goons who try and scam anyone who crosses their path. All I can say is, lol. Bob may not be respectful of its allies, but Goons are every bit as bad. Hypocracy of the highest order detected here. ..yes I am in Veritas, no I am not bitter about Scalding Pass, please commence flaming.. Perhaps bitter man, we do not say GF to you in local because you do not put up a Good Fight.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.18 19:57:00 - [162] Originally by: Kal'Kalagan lol, this from a Goon? Goons who do not give a gf in local after a good fight but hearl abuse and smack. Goons who call everyone who opposses them *gots. Goons who try and scam anyone who crosses their path. All I can say is, lol. Bob may not be respectful of its allies, but Goons are every bit as bad. Hypocracy of the highest order detected here. ..yes I am in Veritas, no I am not bitter about Scalding Pass, please commence flaming.. Originally by:** Sitagacha tasekaka for all the dumb**s that don't get it, they are using old BoB posts changing the name, so yeah they sound like BoB. Die in a fire idiots etc. Hi, my name is Flinx, and I am a recovering nano*
The Mittani Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.18 19:58:00 - [163] for a while there the anti-inty rifter with the 400mm plate was known as the 'kal'kalagan rifter'
Sentinel Eeex Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.18 19:59:00 - [164] Edited by: Sentinel Eeex on 18/02/2009 20:06:03 God damn, I am an idiot, finally found it
Ogodai John Minmatar THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.	Posted - 2009.02.18 19:59:00 - [165] Originally by: Kal'Kalagan Edited by: Kal''Kalagan on 18/02/2009 19:53:16 Quote: Historically, in eve, wars have been fought over a single incorrect comment to the wrong person. This is why most 0.0 alliances have control of their members. They understand that in order to hold space you need to be respectful of everyone else in eve or you will run into trouble lol, this from a Goon? Goons who do not give a gf in local after a good fight but hearl abuse and smack. Goons who call everyone who opposses them ***gots. Goons who try and scam anyone who crosses their path. All I can say is, lol. Bob may not be respectful of its allies, but Goons are every bit as bad. Hypocracy of the highest order detected here. ..yes I am in Veritas, no I am not bitter about Scalding Pass, please commence flaming.. this thread is a lot like the pr- station actually
Pringlescan Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.18 20:07:00 - [166] Edited by: Pringlescan on 18/02/2009 20:08:02 Originally by: Kal'Kalagan Edited by: Kal''Kalagan on 18/02/2009 19:53:16 Quote: Historically, in eve, wars have been fought over a single incorrect comment to the wrong person. This is why most 0.0 alliances have control of their members. They understand that in order to hold space you need to be respectful of everyone else in eve or you will run into trouble lol, this from a Goon? Goons who do not give a gf in local after a good fight but hearl abuse and smack. Goons who call everyone who opposses them ***gots. Goons who try and scam anyone who crosses their path. All I can say is, lol. Bob may not be respectful of its allies, but Goons are every bit as bad. Hypocracy of the highest order detected here. ..yes I am in Veritas, no I am not bitter about Scalding Pass, please commence flaming.. Kenny and all who have allied with them just don't change. The tactics are different, yet the same, and the smack seems to flow. Is there something in the water up there? They should be ashamed of themselves, tbh, none of you have done each other any favours at all. We know that AAA play it safe. We know that pets can be a little bit reckless. We know that Blobs are boring. Yet here you all are, smacking about how x won't jump in to y, omg we killed you in ONE campaign WE RULE. What a pile of excrement. Goons came away with a positive kill ratio, we got fights. Sure, some may see that as a victory, victory is subjective. Personally I think that a little less caution goes a long way to making Eve fun, so what you lose a load of 0's and 1's in cyberspace, get over yourselves, all of you - The KFC play their game, we play ours - it's two completely opposed and different styles of play. Moaning about it gets you nowhere. Adapt, evolve, win. Or die. But whichever you do, please, for the love of beer, stfu.
Snowden Vel Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.18 20:09:00 - [167] Originally by: Ogodai John Originally by: Kal'Kalagan Edited by: Kal''Kalagan on 18/02/2009 19:53:16 Quote: Historically, in eve, wars have been fought over a single incorrect comment to the wrong person. This is why most 0.0 alliances have control of their members. They understand that in order to hold space you need to be respectful of everyone else in eve or you will run into trouble lol, this from a Goon? Goons who do not give a gf in local after a good fight but hearl abuse and smack. Goons who call everyone who opposses them *gots. Goons who try and scam anyone who crosses their path. All I can say is, lol. Bob may not be respectful of its allies, but Goons are every bit as bad. Hypocracy of the highest order detected here. ..yes I am in Veritas, no I am not bitter about Scalding Pass, please commence flaming.. this thread is a lot like the pr- station actually A goon-covered repository of BoB's failed ambitions? Originally by:** Sergeant Spot Did BoB "plan" to lose all its space? ...if it does, its still just a detail within a successful plan
Kalie Erry Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.18 20:09:00 - [168] Originally by: Ykatni I guess you are trying to rally the troops that are bored of camping stations and pos's with very little pew pew. It gets old after a while since I can speak from experience. I wish I had a current picture of you so I could put a "Mission Accomplished" banner behind you. That way in a month or two we would have a reference to your foolishness. You really have no clue how Goonswarm works, Ykatni. If Darius JOHNSON or The Mittani had wanted to kill KenZoku, they would have said "It's time to kill KenZoku" and lo and behold you would have had the full weight of Goonswarm in your face. Instead you continue to degrage common sense and sensibility with your vocalities ingame, on your forums and here. Attempting to put political spin on it is a weak attempt that everyone in eve can see through. You started this, you continue to drag threads along. Keep going all you want, it won't change a thing. Already your allies are moving away from you, they will continue to do so until you are alone. And you have no-one to blame but yourselves and your own attitudes. ke
Victor Deadmine Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.18 20:09:00 - [169] Edited by: Victor Deadmine on 18/02/2009 20:10:10 Ya hya chouhada Goonswarm!
Orange Faeces Minmatar THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.	Posted - 2009.02.18 20:18:00 - [170] Edited by: Orange Faeces on 18/02/2009 20:19:10 Originally by: Kal'Kalagan Goons who do not give a gf in local after a good fight but hearl abuse and smack. Goons who call everyone who opposses them **gots. Goons who try and scam anyone who crosses their path. All I can say is, lol. Bob may not be respectful of its allies, but Goons are every bit as bad. Hypocracy of the highest order detected here. ..yes I am in Veritas, no I am not bitter about Scalding Pass, please commence flaming.. You are confusing some things here. Not saying "good fight" to an opponent is, according to your logic, somehow worse than being a manipulative sneak to your allies? Here's a hint for the grown-up world. Trash talking the opposition is something that men do. Being a sneak... well... some* males do that (about 10% of the population)... not that there's anything wrong with that... if you get my meaning. oF ---

FGxHalsey Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.18 20:19:00 - [171] This is the best thread ever.
Brobuck Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.18 20:23:00 - [172] The battle for NOL? There were [also] some medium-sized skirmishes between us, -A-, and Kengoku (anime is cartoons) earlier today that ended, shall we say, rather favorably for us
Gneeznow Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.18 20:24:00 - [173] oh man its like I've gone back in time to 2006 when I just started eve and took my first look at CAOD and it was filled with bobbits vomiting bile and hate everywhere
Fahtim Meidires Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.18 20:25:00 - [174] Originally by: Kal'Kalagan All I can say is, lol. Bob may not be respectful of its allies, but Goons are every bit as bad. Hypocracy of the highest order detected here. From what I've observed: Kenny really doesn't really have allies, only pets. Thus the lack of respect. GS has allies of equal status and we respect each others' right to do our own thing. If you're not an ally, we could care less about you. Nobody is required to respect their enemies. Also scamming is fun that's why we do it and we don't scam blues. I don't see the hypocrisy.
Academion Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.18 20:25:00 - [175] Ride the snake.
Nlewis Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.18 20:27:00 - [176] Originally by: Luciender It aint over yet. Not by a longshot. =D maybe you should let the rest of your alliance know that and undock
Vasili Z Minmatar Foundation Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2009.02.18 20:27:00 - [177] meh, took all of you ------- Eve requires no skill anymore
Sertan Deras Gallente Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.18 20:28:00 - [178] Man, I was having the worst day until I saw this thread.
Snorgles McFlufferton Gallente Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.18 20:30:00 - [179] Originally by: Nlewis Originally by: Luciender It aint over yet. Not by a longshot. =D maybe you should let the rest of your alliance know that and undock He did undock today (then died).
Dungar Loghoth Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.18 20:35:00 - [180] Originally by: Vasili Z meh, took all of you Is this supposed to be an ironic post or what? --- Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal



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