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Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2009.02.20 02:39:00 - [31] Edited by: Le Skunk on 20/02/2009 02:42:32 Originally by: Finfamfoom No it is not an official statement. Not everything surrounded by blue bars is an official statement which can be quoted as fact until the end of time. Deal with it. Quote: How was that insulting? It was courteous to give the person a reasonable expectation. If he said "Deal with it looser", That would be insulting. Just because its not garnished with pleasantries and rainbows, doesn't make it impolite. I would suggest quite the opposite is true. Avons initial question was totaly without forethought or malice. The response, was at best curt, and at worst rude. It was certainly heavily laced with sarcasm. I understand the Dev is probably stressed due to the workload of this pre patch time, and I understand he was probably hacked off with people refering to blue bar posts as fact for the next 6 months, but to argue his response was "courteous" as you do is a little weak. I struggle to recall any time I have heard the phrase "deal with it" in real life discussion when it was not intended to be a little agressive. Perhaps this usage was first time.. i dont know. Either way - a reminder of the forum rules is good for all readers to enable them to comport oneself in the correct manner - to ensure this forum remains a pleasent and informative place for us all. My point was, in these times where the forum rules are examined in incredible detail as justification for what has been termed as the "recent clamp down", and one looks to the devs for a lead in acceptable posting behaviour - it is important the devs do not leave themselves open to accusations of breaking the very same rules The forums - together we can clean them(tm) TALLY HO! SKUNK (o)
Earther Gongen Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.20 02:55:00 - [32] Originally by: Le Skunk I would suggest quite the opposite is true. Avons initial question was totaly without forethought or malice. The response, was at best curt, and at worst rude. It was certainly heavily laced with sarcasm. I understand the Dev is probably stressed due to the workload of this pre patch time, and I understand he was probably hacked off with people refering to blue bar posts as fact for the next 6 months, but to argue his response was "courteous" as you do is a little weak. I struggle to recall any time I have heard the phrase "deal with it" in real life discussion when it was not intended to be a little agressive. Perhaps this usage was first time.. i dont know. Either way - a reminder of the forum rules is good for all readers to enable them to comport oneself in the correct manner - to ensure this forum remains a pleasent and informative place for us all. My point was, in these times where the forum rules are examined in incredible detail as justification for what has been termed as the "recent clamp down", and one looks to the devs for a lead in acceptable posting behaviour - it is important the devs do not leave themselves open to accusations of breaking the very same rules The forums - together we can clean them(tm) TALLY HO! SKUNK Forum Rules: # Off-topic posting is not allowed. Off-topic posts are not prohibited but should be posted within reason. Excessive off-topic posts that derail a thread may result in the thread being locked.
Gneeznow North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2009.02.20 02:56:00 - [33] heh avon got owned
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2009.02.20 03:41:00 - [34] Originally by: Earther Gongen ... Off-topic posts are not prohibited but should be posted within reason. Excessive off-topic posts that derail a thread may result in the thread being locked. I quite agree with that. As you can see in the details off topic posts are not prohibited, if posted within reason. I would suggest that striving to achieve the goal of forum utopia with a friendly but timely reminder of the rules is by is ON topic for all posts. The very fact people are quoting the dev in their signatures (further spreading the possible rot) suggests my timely post was right on the button! I think the rules you quote are intended to quash people inanely posting "my cat has just eaten its dinner - it had meato chunks" in the middle of a thread. SKUNK (o)
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.20 04:01:00 - [35] Originally by: Le Skunk I would suggest quite the opposite is true. Avons initial question was totaly without forethought or malice. The response, was at best curt, and at worst rude. It was certainly heavily laced with sarcasm. I would say curt and to the point rather than rude. The devs are stressed but I don't think it has anything to do with the stress. This is an issue that has been raised over and over, every time a dev makes a response people think they are quoting law. What Whiper said has been repeated over and over so many times, I think it's getting annoying for the devs to have to say it every time. This is one of the prime reasons many games forums don't have devs replying. I would hope that a few people using this quote from Whisper in their sig will remind people not to take a dev comment as the final word unless it is stated as such. I also hope that this will be added to the forum rules sticky. Notice that Whispers first post only said that it "should run the premium lite client" and not that it would. In this case he was unsure of the results. Not every possible combination of hardware can be tested so it's not known if the new client will run just as well as the original classic on every machine, some may fail. -- Originally by: CCP Whisper No it is not an official statement. Not everything surrounded by blue bars is an official statement which can be quoted as fact until the end of time. Deal with it.
SSgt Sniper Gallente legion of qui Southern Connection	Posted - 2009.02.20 04:23:00 - [36] Originally by: Del Narveux The new client makes me a very sad panda. Aside from the obvious fact that any patch requiring a hardware upgrade is the work of the devil, a lot of the premium paint schemes are just plain fugly. qft. ------- CEO of Maids. No I didn't pick the name. I've grown rather fond of it though.Poor PR in progress!
Harisdrop Gallente Fat J Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2009.02.20 15:33:00 - [37] I love the new EVE. With Atari coming the sound of the rushing American voices in space will be astounding. Good to know we have pure capitalists in charge.
Shenko Minara	Posted - 2009.02.20 15:53:00 - [38] Originally by: Le Skunk a whole bunch of uninteresting **** You are an idiot and your posts are completely without worth or humour. Rude and off-topic. Deal with it. -- 99% of Eve-o posters should stop posting. This probably includes me, but definitely includes you.
Shenko Minara	Posted - 2009.02.20 15:59:00 - [39] I actually wanted to point out the idiocy of the engine names. To have a "Premium" you need to have something that isn't "Premium"; if you only have "Premium" and no benchmark then all you actually have is just "standard". Naming the engines "Premium" and "Premium Lite[sp]" makes you look like fools, or people that think your customers are fools. The Devs must cringe at what Marketing do to all their hard work. :/ -- 99% of Eve-o posters should stop posting. This probably includes me, but definitely includes you.
Muhammed Jafar	Posted - 2009.02.20 16:03:00 - [40] This thread has really degraded but, I just wanted to say: I have a laptop with a crappy GFX card and was concerned about premium lite, I have to say I am very impressed with what they have done on sisi right now with premium lite. It started out rough, but after todays patch I'm getting great premium graphics, and very little lag.
Reven Cordelle Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2009.02.20 16:09:00 - [41] Hmm. "Deal With ItGäó" possibly to become the new "Military Experts are calling this..." Only time will tell.
Jalif Black Sinisters Freedom of Elbas	Posted - 2009.02.20 16:25:00 - [42] Originally by: Reven Cordelle Hmm. "Deal With ItGäó" possibly to become the new "Military Experts are calling this..." Only time will tell. Deal With ItGäó - I'm so going to use that when somebody is whining. Oh.. going offtopic now. So yeah, if you can't run the Lite Premium you must have a very very very very old computer. Buy a new or Deal With ItGäó
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2009.02.20 16:25:00 - [43] Edited by: Le Skunk on 20/02/2009 16:30:49 Originally by: Shenko Minara post contrary to forum rules This is the problem you see. A Dev posts an arguably rude comment. And soon his behavior is mimicked and taken a step further by some other individual. The usage of an obscene word, and the personal attack are both contrary to the rules, and taken together would surely warrant stern measures by the moderator team. It shall be reported! SKUNK (o)
Exlegion Caldari New Light	Posted - 2009.02.20 16:37:00 - [44] Originally by: Le Skunk Edited by: Le Skunk on 20/02/2009 16:30:49 Originally by: Shenko Minara post contrary to forum rules This is the problem you see. A Dev posts an arguably rude comment. And soon his behavior is mimicked and taken a step further by some other individual. The usage of an obscene word, and the personal attack are both contrary to the rules, and taken together would surely warrant stern measures by the moderator team. It shall be reported! SKUNK But it's OK when you post rude, personal attacks, slander, lies, and insults? How does it all make sense in your head I wonder . One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr
Andrest Disch Amarr Letiferi Praedones	Posted - 2009.02.20 17:11:00 - [45] Originally by: Le Skunk boring white knight stuff SKUNK Quoting a hypocrite in denial.
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2009.02.20 19:16:00 - [46] Originally by: Exlegion But it's OK when you post rude, personal attacks, slander, lies, and insults? How does it all make sense in your head I wonder . The road to damascas my friend. The great forum book of rules was laid down from on high for our protection and emancipation- and I believe every poster has a duty to abide by these rules to the best of their ability. When this ability falls short, and they fall foul of temptation, the community must not stand idly by - for rot unchecked spreads. The great CCP Fallout took my upon his knee, and with great patience bore my tantrums and with time and love brought me to the light. Like the prodigal son I was embraced, in return i was only tasked with maintaining a constant vigil on the forums, to intervene when the first seeds of rule breaking are sown. Such as CCP Whispers comments. I seek only to bring others to the light, be they Devs or Noobs. Carebears or Pirates. Goonswarm or sensible posters. I love the forums, I love the moderators, and I love all of the posters who dwell here (even minigin). Together, we can clean these forums. In your honor ExLegion I have decided to decapitalise my sign off - as i felt it was to aggressive when in capitals. Instead I opted to surround my name in the most humble of text decorations.... italics. le skunk (o)

CCP Whisper	Posted - 2009.02.20 19:19:00 - [47] Originally by: osahar 1) Can I play with classic client after the mar 10th? After the launch of Apocrypha the classic graphics client will not be supported. Originally by: osahar 2) Does Intel Mobile 915GM/GMS, 910GML Express support Premium Lite client (I have directx 9 installed)? As far as I can make out, that Intel Mobile chipset was equipped with the GMA 900 graphics chipset. That chipset does not appear to support Shader Model 2.0 and therefore will not run the EVE Online client post-Apocrypha. You can however test for this: Originally by: osahar Is there somekind of Pixel Shader2 test program around? You could try running the basic, free version of 3DMark05. Originally by: osahar does premium lite have the same requirements as the classic client? No, it does not. It requires at least a Shader Model 2.0 compatible graphics chipset. Apologies if my previous response in this thread was somewhat curt. Hopefully this response is more helpful.

Joar Mendar Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2009.02.20 19:32:00 - [48] Originally by: CCP Whisper As far as I can make out, that Intel Mobile chipset was equipped with the GMA 900 graphics chipset. That chipset does not appear to support Shader Model 2.0 and therefore will not run the EVE Online client post-Apocrypha. You can however test for this: According to this link, the GMA 900 does actually support Shader Model 2.0. "It supports DirectX 9.0 with Shader Model 2.0 (Vertex Shader are calculated in Software - by the CPU) and OpenGL 1.4. Furthermore, the chip is able to accelerate the decoding of MPEG2 videos and supports Motion Compensation. "
eFart	Posted - 2009.02.20 19:35:00 - [49] Originally by: CCP Whisper Originally by: osahar 1) Can I play with classic client after the mar 10th? After the launch of Apocrypha the classic graphics client will not be supported. wtf i got slow client man i cannot afford nu machine ima broke already what im gonna do now huh is their no chance i can hav classic client this realy sucks balls man can i turn vsync off or somethig
Elysarian Minmatar dudetruck corp	Posted - 2009.02.20 19:52:00 - [50] Originally by: CCP Whisper Originally by: osahar 1) Can I play with classic client after the mar 10th? After the launch of Apocrypha the classic graphics client will not be supported. Originally by: osahar 2) Does Intel Mobile 915GM/GMS, 910GML Express support Premium Lite client (I have directx 9 installed)? As far as I can make out, that Intel Mobile chipset was equipped with the GMA 900 graphics chipset. That chipset does not appear to support Shader Model 2.0 and therefore will not run the EVE Online client post-Apocrypha. You can however test for this: Originally by: osahar Is there somekind of Pixel Shader2 test program around? You could try running the basic, free version of 3DMark05. Originally by: osahar does premium lite have the same requirements as the classic client? No, it does not. It requires at least a Shader Model 2.0 compatible graphics chipset. Apologies if my previous response in this thread was somewhat curt. Hopefully this response is more helpful. Actually, according to this the GMA 900 does support shader 2.0. I have linked this elsewhere on the forums and, as far as I'm aware, the older 8-series GMA chipsets are SM 1.0 only. ===================================== It smells of spoon! =====================================
Mag Mell	Posted - 2009.02.20 20:15:00 - [51] this will be dealt with military experts are calling this rude who is bob ? my girlfriend says if I collect 1600 female corpses I can.. we are goons and dont take this game seriously /can we end the thread now ?
Devlin Thorn	Posted - 2009.02.20 21:40:00 - [52] Well didn't this fizzle out. Whisper - you should have followed up your post with the threat of a war dec or random in game asset removal. Your 2nd post was a bit of a climb down. Suggest CCP hire someone specifically for forum warfare.
Empyre Domestic Reform	Posted - 2009.02.20 21:57:00 - [53] Just go upgrade your machines you pansies. The market could use it now anyway. It doesn't really make a ton of sense to continue to support a product that runs on archaic machines when there's a richer market for modern technology. CCP has always said they want Eve to evolve and change with time. It sucks some people could be left behind that don't have the means to upgrade to play, but if this happens just sit the game out for a handful of months. Save your subscription money and use it for the upgrade that will get you back in game. Life is simple, it's the people that make it complicated. Destroy all that which is evil, so that which is good may flourish.

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