Yes there's currently a defect with orca corp hangars involving pilots in NPC corps. Hopefully will be fixed tomorrow.
If you're in an NPC corp and can't open you're own corp hangar in space, then a semi-workaround is to open the corp hangar whilst docked and then leave the window open whilst you do your thing in space.

That's not something that we're planning on supporting - if they're going to be corp hangars, they really should be corp-restricted, and trying to maintain all the code special-cases the old implementation needed was causing problems. That said, we're considering properly revisiting the functionality of these ships and changing it from a "corp hangar" to a "fleet hangar" that's more closely aligned with what the actual use-cases are.

Yes there's currently a defect with orca corp hangars involving pilots in NPC corps. Hopefully will be fixed tomorrow.
If you're in an NPC corp and can't open you're own corp hangar in space, then a semi-workaround is to open the corp hangar whilst docked and then leave the window open whilst you do your thing in space.

That's not something that we're planning on supporting - if they're going to be corp hangars, they really should be corp-restricted, and trying to maintain all the code special-cases the old implementation needed was causing problems. That said, we're considering properly revisiting the functionality of these ships and changing it from a "corp hangar" to a "fleet hangar" that's more closely aligned with what the actual use-cases are.

That's not something that we're planning on supporting - if they're going to be corp hangars, they really should be corp-restricted, and trying to maintain all the code special-cases the old implementation needed was causing problems. That said, we're considering properly revisiting the functionality of these ships and changing it from a "corp hangar" to a "fleet hangar" that's more closely aligned with what the actual use-cases are.

That's not something that we're planning on supporting - if they're going to be corp hangars, they really should be corp-restricted, and trying to maintain all the code special-cases the old implementation needed was causing problems. That said, we're considering properly revisiting the functionality of these ships and changing it from a "corp hangar" to a "fleet hangar" that's more closely aligned with what the actual use-cases are.

That's not something that we're planning on supporting - if they're going to be corp hangars, they really should be corp-restricted, and trying to maintain all the code special-cases the old implementation needed was causing problems. That said, we're considering properly revisiting the functionality of these ships and changing it from a "corp hangar" to a "fleet hangar" that's more closely aligned with what the actual use-cases are.

I guess this means you can just wardec anyone flying an orca and they have zero options open to them.

Although I am all for war, Soundwave stated at fanfest that one of the principles of how corps and wars works is that you will always be able to stay in an NPC corp, carry on as normal, but with the inconvenience of taxes to bounties.

Are you, then, confirming that a further intended handicap is mining fleets must work without Orca support?

That said, we're considering properly revisiting the functionality of these ships and changing it from a "corp hangar" to a "fleet hangar" that's more closely aligned with what the actual use-cases are.

Yes there's currently a defect with orca corp hangars involving pilots in NPC corps. Hopefully will be fixed tomorrow.

And please make fleet use allowed by defaul as well as corp use. It is annoying to re-select it every time.

That's not something that we're planning on supporting - if they're going to be corp hangars, they really should be corp-restricted, and trying to maintain all the code special-cases the old implementation needed was causing problems. That said, we're considering properly revisiting the functionality of these ships and changing it from a "corp hangar" to a "fleet hangar" that's more closely aligned with what the actual use-cases are.

That's not something that we're planning on supporting - if they're going to be corp hangars, they really should be corp-restricted, and trying to maintain all the code special-cases the old implementation needed was causing problems. That said, we're considering properly revisiting the functionality of these ships and changing it from a "corp hangar" to a "fleet hangar" that's more closely aligned with what the actual use-cases are.

I'm pretty sure if you actually read it, he says "it's broken and we need to fix it to work for the fleet, not just the corp"

But you can read it other ways if you think it suits your tastes...

I've read it exactly how he wrote it.

It's currently broken, but they're not going to fix it because there are future plans to do something else with it. No date announced.

My comments are exactly true until they decide to revise the role of the ship, such that it is useful in an NPC corp.

Not sure what you're reading

That's not something that we're planning on supporting - if they're going to be corp hangars, they really should be corp-restricted, and trying to maintain all the code special-cases the old implementation needed was causing problems. That said, we're considering properly revisiting the functionality of these ships and changing it from a "corp hangar" to a "fleet hangar" that's more closely aligned with what the actual use-cases are.

Today's patch did not fix it fully. Orca driver are able to operate corp hangar. But miners still unable to open it. Same or different NPC corps connected to a fleet with Orca as squadmaster. Awaiting tomorrow's patch.

And please let fleet use be allowed by default.

Greyscale said the fix would allow the pilot access, but not fleet members. It's been stealth broken changed into a true corp only hanger.

It's now working as intended.

Still, makes mining with alliance members/alts quite annoying compared to the previous functionality.

They should add second configure tab for orca and its corp hangar along side with the ship bay and have same options for fleet/corp.

That's not something that we're planning on supporting - if they're going to be corp hangars, they really should be corp-restricted, and trying to maintain all the code special-cases the old implementation needed was causing problems.

That's not something that we're planning on supporting - if they're going to be corp hangars, they really should be corp-restricted, and trying to maintain all the code special-cases the old implementation needed was causing problems. That said, we're considering properly revisiting the functionality of these ships and changing it from a "corp hangar" to a "fleet hangar" that's more closely aligned with what the actual use-cases are.

That's not something that we're planning on supporting - if they're going to be corp hangars, they really should be corp-restricted, and trying to maintain all the code special-cases the old implementation needed was causing problems. That said, we're considering properly revisiting the functionality of these ships and changing it from a "corp hangar" to a "fleet hangar" that's more closely aligned with what the actual use-cases are.

so all the **** on fanfest was bs ? .... more daily patches comming up etcetc.... havent been patch in mth up to "escalation of inferno" wich introduces "feature?" thats not even mentioned in the changelog and are breaking changes .... right ill take everything from ccp with a smile from now on ... cant take serious anymore

That's not something that we're planning on supporting - if they're going to be corp hangars, they really should be corp-restricted, and trying to maintain all the code special-cases the old implementation needed was causing problems. That said, we're considering properly revisiting the functionality of these ships and changing it from a "corp hangar" to a "fleet hangar" that's more closely aligned with what the actual use-cases are.

That's not something that we're planning on supporting - if they're going to be corp hangars, they really should be corp-restricted, and trying to maintain all the code special-cases the old implementation needed was causing problems. That said, we're considering properly revisiting the functionality of these ships and changing it from a "corp hangar" to a "fleet hangar" that's more closely aligned with what the actual use-cases are.

Thank you for your bugreport titled: Fleet Members not able to access Orca Corp Hanger

The problem you have described is an intended game feature or function, and not a bug.

changed.

That's not something that we're planning on supporting - if they're going to be corp hangars, they really should be corp-restricted, and trying to maintain all the code special-cases the old implementation needed was causing problems. That said, we're considering properly revisiting the functionality of these ships and changing it from a "corp hangar" to a "fleet hangar" that's more closely aligned with what the actual use-cases are.

First forum post ever...

I am sad to see that in a time when mineral prices are already @ a record high and a new development in the game(drone space changes) is expected to bring prices up even more that we as miners are now subject to broken tools...CCP you NEED to fix the issue ASAP ( Corporate hanger issues on the orca )...It is now day 3....and that equates to over 3bil in lost revenue for me and I'm sure for others not to mention no relief to mineral prices

where in the patch notes was this changed mentioned? ow wait, no where, another stealth change they hoped would go unnoticed. Guess their partnership with Sony rubbed off a little of the SWG style of patch deployment. when do we get our tawntawns?

Really CCP, if your "considering" making it a fleet hangar, wait till you get THAT code ready to deploy before breaking the existing functionality.

You nailed it. This is a classic SOE move. Give them time and instead of training skills players will be choosing a cookie cutter profession like post-NGE Star Wars Galaxies. Look how well that helped the game . Oh wait, people left in droves and it shut down.

I never really had any major issues with this game until now. Sure, I could scoop jetcans, but I won't. Just like I won't pay a company that alienates me as a customer (much less for a game).

That's not something that we're planning on supporting - if they're going to be corp hangars, they really should be corp-restricted, and trying to maintain all the code special-cases the old implementation needed was causing problems. That said, we're considering properly revisiting the functionality of these ships and changing it from a "corp hangar" to a "fleet hangar" that's more closely aligned with what the actual use-cases are.

@ Rykuss- This does seem like CCP giving the middle finger to players in NPC corporations again. If they are so determined that people leave NPC corps then they should make players pick a player corp at the time noob chat expires (thirty days?) or get rid of them altogether and choose a player corp during character creation. I prefer NPC corps, CAS in particular, because of the diversity of players and the ability to do my own thing. Well, those and being able to block c-nts without repercussions.
My bullshit detector went haywire while reading CCP Greyscale's post. They could have gone one step further and got rid boosting non-corp fleet members and had less code to bother with. I don't see the point in joining a player run corp to get full use of a single ship. Along that line, I cannot recall a single time I've been in a mining op comprised of members of the same corp, player or npc. Scooping jetcans isn't a viable solution to this nerf. Even if this is fixed I won't resub. They will just pull something similar in the future.

Wow I can see it now its bad enough we put up with ganking now I have to make a corp for me and my alts and prob have to put up with getting War dec also

way to go CCP

This is the plan. You are meant to be wardecced with the new mechanic with no way to escape, till you quit.

Bear with me as I didn't read the full thread but - did anyone think about "what's the reason? why did CCP do these changes for the Orca?"

I'm not sure about it, but I guess it might be in context with script/bot miners. For them it's now more difficult to use their scripts. Because if you want to mine and make use of Orca as the hauler - you have two options remaining: all players have to be in the same Corp - or do can mining in first stage and collect them later with the Orca. The first option gives other players the option to declare war on the script miners corp and kill all of his ships/pilots. The second option - and I don't know for sure - won't work with scripts.

So did CCP change the Orca to control bot users? I hate bot miners, but if this is CCP's answer to bot users - they totally forgot to think about real miners and haulers.

Regards.

Bear with me as I didn't read the full thread but - did anyone think about "what's the reason? why did CCP do these changes for the Orca?"

I'm not sure about it, but I guess it might be in context with script/bot miners. For them it's now more difficult to use their scripts. Because if you want to mine and make use of Orca as the hauler - you have two options remaining: all players have to be in the same Corp - or do can mining in first stage and collect them later with the Orca. The first option gives other players the option to declare war on the script miners corp and kill all of his ships/pilots. The second option - and I don't know for sure - won't work with scripts.

So did CCP change the Orca to control bot users? I hate bot miners, but if this is CCP's answer to bot users - they totally forgot to think about real miners and haulers.

Regards.

So there no Patch update today, the Corp hanger wasn't fixed before DT, there's a couple of reasons i can think of,,,

1, CCP have no real idea of how Mining and a Orca/Roqual work....

2, CCP altered the code and don't have a clue how to put it right....

3, Both the above together

So there no Patch update today, the Corp hanger wasn't fixed before DT, there's a couple of reasons i can think of,,,

1, CCP have no real idea of how Mining and a Orca/Roqual work....

2, CCP altered the code and don't have a clue how to put it right....

3, Both the above together

i thought one of the main points of inferno was its ment to give love to miners? im sorry ccp but i dont see how shafting them up the *bum* is going to make em feel loved.... it might for some... but the rest of us... no thanks

and before we get any up their own arse "hardcore pvper" in here... just remember who builds all your ships and allows you to play spaceship games in the first place...

That's not something that we're planning on supporting.

Even as an orca pilot myself, I can't help but enjoy the river of tears in this thread.
Yeah it changes things, yes its lame that it was a stealth-nerf...Personally I think this enriches mining. If you want to use an orca to gain a logistical advantage over other miners, you've gotta do it as a corp now.

congratulations .. you've earned my biggest idiot of the day award.

congratulations .. you've earned my biggest idiot of the day award.

Awesome, are you going to mail it to me? Or do I have to come pick it up somewhere?

Call me whatever names you want, I will continue to feel no sympathy for you and will go about my business unaffected by this change.

Okay okay... the Orca is not an option and this IS of course intended to be this way because of Escalation & Inferno... CCP's grandioso plans for ENFORCING you and me to submit to their idea of a better WAR MACHINE. We wanna make wars more 'hardcore'... we wanna see your whimpering miner arses on Spike TV - 101 Ways To Die...!!! And I suppose these same afflictions have affected the Rorqual too... cuz it has Corporate Cargo Bays as well.

I dont suppose NOW... would be a good time to suggest to CCP that they design us a T3 mining vessel.

Awesome, are you going to mail it to me? Or do I have to come pick it up somewhere?

Call me whatever names you want, I will continue to feel no sympathy for you and will go about my business unaffected by this change.

Any chance we could get another packet of info from CCP on this to clarify the situation?

HAHAHA.

This is awesome.

It is a minor inconvenience for gankers. (I have to be in the same corp as the Orca to unfit my T2 guns after ganking a miner, now.)

But pages of sadness from broken bots and lazy miners.

Lets see, off the top of my head:

Workaround A) jetcans and tractorbeams.
Workaround B) I don't know, join the same corp maybe?
Workaround C) When you set up your new 'unwardeccable' NPC mining fleets, make sure they are all in the same NPC corp.


CCP, you seem to be putting a lot of effort into Orcas lately. Lets see the corp hangar made scannable - and make it drop loot as well. 'Stealth cargo bays' need to be dealt with.

HAHAHA.

This is awesome.

It is a minor inconvenience for gankers. (I have to be in the same corp as the Orca to unfit my T2 guns after ganking a miner, now.)

But pages of sadness from broken bots and lazy miners.

Lets see, off the top of my head:

Workaround A) jetcans and tractorbeams.
Workaround B) I don't know, join the same corp maybe?
Workaround C) When you set up your new 'unwardeccable' NPC mining fleets, make sure they are all in the same NPC corp.


CCP, you seem to be putting a lot of effort into Orcas lately. Lets see the corp hangar made scannable - and make it drop loot as well. 'Stealth cargo bays' need to be dealt with.

Workaround A) jetcans and tractorbeams.
Workaround B) I don't know, join the same corp maybe?
Workaround C) When you set up your new 'unwardeccable' NPC mining fleets, make sure they are all in the same NPC corp.

Uncertain if serious...or trolling...however, I'll bite.

Following that logic, since they require corp roles to deploy no POS structures should be interactive with any non-corp user. Jump Bridges should not allow non-corp members to fuel or use them. Cap pilots should not be able to use out of corp Cynosural Generator Arrays. No POS should ever let any non-corp member within its shields, and certainly no-one but corporation specific Starbase Defense Operators should ever take control of a POS's defenses(think that one might already be the case). Personally, I think it would be a tremendous improvement if only corp members could use titan bridges. If this is the new design philosophy regarding corp assets can we assume all these changes have been implemented, or will be soon-¥Gäó?

If trolling, I bow to your superior forum-fu.

We mined just fine for YEARS without orcas and now according to some of the more egregious offenders, all of a sudden we might as well just quit mining! I swear this game is slowly being ruined by crybaby whiney-assed spoiled rotten arrogant little children. I hope burn jita and hulkageddon clear this game of all these damn pansies.

We mined just fine for YEARS without orcas and now according to some of the more egregious offenders, all of a sudden we might as well just quit mining! I swear this game is slowly being ruined by crybaby whiney-assed spoiled rotten arrogant little children. I hope burn jita and hulkageddon clear this game of all these damn pansies.

We mined just fine for YEARS without orcas and now according to some of the more egregious offenders, all of a sudden we might as well just quit mining! I swear this game is slowly being ruined by crybaby whiney-assed spoiled rotten arrogant little children. I hope burn jita and hulkageddon clear this game of all these damn pansies.

It shouldn't take this many years for a game developer to get their **** together. The crap I've put up with from CCP all these years, the things I've accomplished and built, all on my own. I did it my way and I'll be damned if I'm going to do it any other way. Which is why I'm biomassing my accounts. No, you can't has my stuff. Screw you guys, I'm going home. vOv

This is why i left Eve online 6 Months ago. Because i felt unappreciated as a miner and it did not make enough isk with all that bots.. Now that the ore prices are rising i have to bend over again as a miner.
The "2nd class citizen" term mentioned by LTC Vuvovich describes it quite well how i feel again.

Please CCP Developers make a crystal clear statement about the orca problem now!

I think you will find that a fair few of the complaints in here are not about nerfing mining, they are about the fact that the nerf applied is a selective nerf.

If an Orca's corp hangar is unaccessable to anyone not in a corp, then so should other corp structures eg. safety behind POS shields, fueling POS etc. etc.

By all means make non-corp members not able to access corp structures etc, but do it across the whole game.

BUMP.... Because CCP has chickened out of responding...

and again

Why is this not fixed already?

Why is there no "feature" announcement?

Is it starting all over again, with CCP not listening?

If you look around, the belts are already starting to be less populated from day to day.

Is it again time to put subscriptions on hold again?


At least tell if it is a planned feature or a bug. And if it shall be labeled a feature, why was it not announced or discussed with the playerbase. Why is there no input from the CSM regarding this matter?

Why do we have a CSM again?

I don't think the CSM is very useful. It's reactionary at best. We need to have changes like this stopped before release.

We need a release manager that weighs in on behalf of the players. Someone who has release veto authority and assures that all the changes are documented in the release. And those changes don't have a severely negative impact on a large portion of the player community. It needs to be someone paid sitting with CCP and making sure the changes rolling o

Hey guys,

After reviewing many of the petitions regarding this change, us Game Masters have been in contact with our developers due to the concerns raised by players, both through the petition system and on the forums. I wanted you guys to know that we are looking into reverting these changes and we will be sure to keep you guys posted.

Can't stop the signal.

Hey guys,

After reviewing many of the petitions regarding this change, us Game Masters have been in contact with our developers due to the concerns raised by players, both through the petition system and on the forums. I wanted you guys to know that we are looking into reverting these changes and we will be sure to keep you guys posted.

Can't stop the signal.

Hey guys,

After reviewing many of the petitions regarding this change, us Game Masters have been in contact with our developers due to the concerns raised by players, both through the petition system and on the forums. I wanted you guys to know that we are looking into reverting these changes and we will be sure to keep you guys posted.

Can't stop the signal.

Hey guys,

After reviewing many of the petitions regarding this change, us Game Masters have been in contact with our developers due to the concerns raised by players, both through the petition system and on the forums. I wanted you guys to know that we are looking into reverting these changes and we will be sure to keep you guys posted.

Can't stop the signal.

The CSM can only give suggestions on issues that are brought to them. Greyscale needs to be more proactive on bringing things to their attention before he does them.

...

Hey guys,

After reviewing many of the petitions regarding this change, us Game Masters have been in contact with our developers due to the concerns raised by players, both through the petition system and on the forums. I wanted you guys to know that we are looking into reverting these changes and we will be sure to keep you guys posted.

Can't stop the signal.

Hey guys,

After reviewing many of the petitions regarding this change, us Game Masters have been in contact with our developers due to the concerns raised by players, both through the petition system and on the forums. I wanted you guys to know that we are looking into reverting these changes and we will be sure to keep you guys posted.

Can't stop the signal.

Hey guys,

After reviewing many of the petitions regarding this change, us Game Masters have been in contact with our developers due to the concerns raised by players, both through the petition system and on the forums. I wanted you guys to know that we are looking into reverting these changes and we will be sure to keep you guys posted.

Can't stop the signal.

Hey guys,

After reviewing many of the petitions regarding this change, us Game Masters have been in contact with our developers due to the concerns raised by players, both through the petition system and on the forums. I wanted you guys to know that we are looking into reverting these changes and we will be sure to keep you guys posted.

Can't stop the signal.

Hey guys,

After reviewing many of the petitions regarding this change, us Game Masters have been in contact with our developers due to the concerns raised by players, both through the petition system and on the forums. I wanted you guys to know that we are looking into reverting these changes and we will be sure to keep you guys posted.

Can't stop the signal.

I think we also need, after a week of being ignored, an explanation of how exactly this was allowed to happen in the first place, and what could be done to prevent this sort of unannounced change in the future.

I'll believe it when I see it....

Myself and my other accounts use the orca to provide fleet booting and support holding alliance level mining op. its crucial for fleet members from several corps in my alliance to all be able to use the hangers so they can mine directly into the ship. otherwise they have to jetcan and that leads to logistic complications of keeping track of what can belongs to whoom. the hangers should not be CORP hangers as those shouls be in stations or POS's they should be fleet or alliance hangers so that i also dont have to asssign hanger access to the diferent hangers . each of 7 people can claim a seperat hanger and be able to put tuff in and out and move it around.

also for alliance fleet ops where i am hauling supplies ammo and extra ships and equipment for alliance members when we go on raids. its critical that alliance members be able to access various hanger to re-equip and resupply the hip during fleet maneuvers..

Hey guys,

After reviewing many of the petitions regarding this change, us Game Masters have been in contact with our developers due to the concerns raised by players, both through the petition system and on the forums. I wanted you guys to know that we are looking into reverting these changes and we will be sure to keep you guys posted.

Can't stop the signal.

This, if they do a 'fleet hanger', it is crucial that there be at least the same amount of divisions as the corporate hanger used to have. Any other implementation will severely alter and complicate fleet mining ops as that is a critical function of categorizing and segregating miners ore when providing mining boost and platform services to other players most often in other NPC and player corporations. This is severely killing my line of business I developed.

Regards,
KorStar

Why would a fleet hanger have divisions? That doesn't make much sense. Do you mean a division for each wing and each squad?

After reviewing many of the petitions regarding this change, us Game Masters have been in contact with our developers due to the concerns raised by players, both through the petition system and on the forums. I wanted you guys to know that we are looking into reverting these changes and we will be sure to keep you guys posted.

Corp hangers have divisions, I have fleet members dump ore into specific divisions to keep everything separate for mining operations. For combat operations, much the same process. If they want to implement fleet hangers, they simply need to keep the same amount of divisions. It doesnt have to make sense to you but is a method that many of us orca pilots use for organization.

Regards,
KorStar

I mean that divisions in a corp hanger are allowed access via directors and ceo giving you access. Do you want the same kind of control for these fleet divisions? I thought the idea of having divisions strange in a fleet hanger because how would you allow access to each part or just a free for all?

On the note of your orca pilot keeping things separate... when does he dock? when the corp hanger is full or the cargobay and ore bay are full as well? Do they have containers marked div1-div7 in their cargobay? :P

There was no permissions on the divisions of corp hangers of the orca to prevent dropping items into the separate divisions so I would expect the same if they change corporate hangers to fleet hangers. The divisions alone allow for separation of ore and material (I dont offer orca services for just mining ) For mining, yes, all the holds gets filled up, thats silly to do or even suggest otherwise, to paint the picture even clearer for you to understand is the divisions allow me to ensure each pilot that does dump ore in, to be properly compensated either in isk or refined minerals for a fee by being able to tally and account for every unit/item that is deposited. Simply going by the fleet loot history is asking to be ripped off and I shouldnt need to explain the how's and why's there . I run a business, the business depends on corporate hangers with their divisions and other players being allowed to dump items into those divisions. The only other option is jet canning which takes away revenue from my business as part of the fees I charge is for miners not having to worry about can flippers, outright theft etc .

Regards,
KorStar

You almost completely ignored what I asked.

I wasn't asking what you use the divisions for. I asked how would you go about controlling who has access to the different divisions. If I was to guess from your answer I'd say you don't want control of access to it or anything like that. You just want a way to keep things from different pilots in separate areas so it is easier for you to keep track of. Was that so hard to say?

Also you are only talking about divisions in the corp hanger. How do you do the same with ore bay and normal cargo bay? :P 40,000 is a small part of the Orca's total capacity. Pity you can't put containers in the ore bay.

The revert is now pending deployment.

Thankyou very much :)

Is this a permanent revert, or is the Corp/Fleet hanger idea going to be looked at/implemented in the (near)future ? I know I posted my ideas for how to do it eariler in the thread, but that has probably been lost in everything else that has happened.

It would be nice to have a discussion on it, see what the plans are, and ideally, come up with a plan that everyone is happy with :)

We pretty much all want the corp hangar in ships to go away, or at least remove the ability for fleet members to access it since that thing just doesn't jive with the access control system for corp hangars. The general consensus seems to be that fleet hangars is the way forward for at least the Orca, but Grayscale is still mulling over the details of how/who and when to do it.

So, consider this revert permanent and the fleet hangar idea being on the drawing board.

We pretty much all want the corp hangar in ships to go away, or at least remove the ability for fleet members to access it since that thing just doesn't jive with the access control system for corp hangars. The general consensus seems to be that fleet hangars is the way forward for at least the Orca, but Grayscale is still mulling over the details of how/who and when to do it.

So, consider this revert permanent and the fleet hangar idea being on the drawing board.

Would it not make sense to remove the corp hanger, but make the ore hold bigger and divide it up into 10 sections.

Allow each section to be named by the orca pilot and not the corp, as that would make life easier for orca owners when out doing fleet op's.

I'll pass on any cans thanks.. the Orca works fine.

And as was said above, they have a general consensus that they want a Fleet Access.

That's not something that we're planning on supporting - if they're going to be corp hangars, they really should be corp-restricted, and trying to maintain all the code special-cases the old implementation needed was causing problems. That said, we're considering properly revisiting the functionality of these ships and changing it from a "corp hangar" to a "fleet hangar" that's more closely aligned with what the actual use-cases are.

The "Jumbo Can"(50,000m3 Secure Container) would also work as an Orca becomes full and has to unload at a station, and the mining doesn't have to stop as miners fill the can. When the Orca pilot returns then the Pilot just emptys the can and everyone continues the Mining Op. Sometime the Orca gets delayed and the miners would have a secure can big enough to handle the Squad or so that is filling the Orca.

It, the "Jumbo Can", would be an immediate fix, doable, implimentable and practical as the Tech has been shown in the Giant Secure Container.

It becomes another Tool in the Mining Industrialist arsonal of very limited tools.

Until they get this Orca Hangar mess fixed, I saw that it would be a easy fix.