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Dinsdale Pirannha Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.19 18:24:00 - [1] I was extremely worried weeks ago when I heard about the advanced AI that the Sleepers, and eventually, all NPC's will have. The reason for my worry: I am a Gallente, in fact a Gallente drone boat guy. I have now read about or had relayed to me multiple engagements with Sleepers. (I got the first patch working, but have not been able to get the next one running, so no direct observations for me). Now my worst fears are realized. In every case, drones and fighters were immediately targeted, and destroyed. So CCP, can you explain how people who fly Ishkurs, Mryms, Domi's, Ishtars, or any flavour of carriers will be of ANY use in a squad? Any boat that has its primary damage from drones is finished for wormholes, and likely all PvE once this new AI is trickled down from wormholes/officer fits to L5's to L4's to L3's. And for anyone who is about to say "adapt or die", please explain what tactics YOU will use with your drones. And if you suggest sentry drones, good luck with that. Apparently these ships move fast and you will be constantly dropping/picking up your sentries rather than targeting/firing.
Fifi LeFume No Trademark	Posted - 2009.02.19 18:29:00 - [2] Whats this I hear about your having problems with the tps reports? Didnt you get the memo?
Cailais Amarr 0utbreak KrautbreaK	Posted - 2009.02.19 18:29:00 - [3] Hmm... I could mention the words 'TEST SERVER' and 'IN DEVELOPMENT' and 'NOT YET FINALISED' or 'LOTS OF BUGS' - but in all honesty you aren't going to take any that on board are you? C.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.02.19 18:31:00 - [4] Confirming that drones are useless in PvP, so they'll be useless vs Sleeprats.
Mira O'karr Minmatar Templars of Space	Posted - 2009.02.19 18:32:00 - [5] Originally by: Cailais Hmm... I could mention the words 'TEST SERVER' and 'IN DEVELOPMENT' and 'NOT YET FINALISED' or 'LOTS OF BUGS' - but in all honesty you aren't going to take any that on board are you? C. yea thats what people like you always say.. go eat your hat once this does roll onto TQ.. ps: yes, i m concerned too.
Esmenet Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.19 18:35:00 - [6] Originally by: Cailais Hmm... I could mention the words 'TEST SERVER' and 'IN DEVELOPMENT' and 'NOT YET FINALISED' or 'LOTS OF BUGS' - but in all honesty you aren't going to take any that on board are you? C. Since this problem exists in other situations, and switching targets is one of the promised features of sleepers it unlikely to change when it hits TQ.

CCP Prism X Gallente C C P CCP	Posted - 2009.02.19 18:40:00 - [7] I cannot really answer your questions, but I can offer perspective. What about Amarr? Their weapon systems as well as tank relies on cap, and the sleepers neut you like there's no tomorrow. They also negate range and seem to try to counter-act speed tanking.. bloody nanoboats! Point being I don't think that Gallente have it any worse off than the other races. Sleepers are just plain ebul. I feel you man. Been a long time since I PvEd and, even if it wasnt, I'm pretty certain I can't carry much of my old methods over to Sleeper space. I've never been much for drones.. but I guess there's some dancing involved with recalling drones under attack back and launching fresh ones while you recharge their damanged shields. The aim is to make NPCs behave more like PCs so I guess PvP rules would be more applicable, but I can't tell you what they are as I don't fly Gallente. But at any rate, it's Sleeper space is not really a welcome place for a lone wanderer. So I guess you could always hope that your team-mates take the brunt of the enemy fire.

Cailais Amarr 0utbreak KrautbreaK	Posted - 2009.02.19 18:41:00 - [8] Originally by: Mira O'karr Originally by: Cailais Hmm... I could mention the words 'TEST SERVER' and 'IN DEVELOPMENT' and 'NOT YET FINALISED' or 'LOTS OF BUGS' - but in all honesty you aren't going to take any that on board are you? C. yea thats what people like you always say.. go eat your hat once this does roll onto TQ.. ps: yes, i m concerned too. People like what? I happen to fly the curse and pilgrim which are (pauses for dramatic effect) ...drone boats. Furthermore, if you actually bothered to go and look elsewhere on the forums you'll find that the Devs have already commented that the limited number of Sleepers spawned on the test server were of the 'very tough' variety. So, you're basing your panic on a posters reading of second hand information from a limited engagement on a test server? Doesn't sound all that reliable does it? And, no doubt someone else will chip in saying that drones are vulnerable in other situations - well that's the disadvantage of that weapon type (in other respects its pretty flexible), take it or leave it. Personally I think I'll be able to cope. C.
Recalesence	Posted - 2009.02.19 18:44:00 - [9] YES, I have the memo, I'm looking at it right here.. honestly tho, Domi's can use more than just drones.. if you fit 6x250 II rails or bigger if you put some fitting rigs and fitting mods on, you've suddenly got one of the highest dps?? BS's in the game supplemented by sentries of course. anyways, use heavys like blasters (close range for recall) and the sentries to snipe like rails, and you'll be able to insta recall them.. RLY you have DRONES they dont take ammo, they dont get jammed or td'd when you get jammed. they're niche in wormholes but still have their uses. you've got to learn different ways of using them? perhaps as sleeper bait? QQ
Cailais Amarr 0utbreak KrautbreaK	Posted - 2009.02.19 18:45:00 - [10] Originally by: CCP Prism X I But at any rate, it's Sleeper space is not really a welcome place for a lone wanderer. Are you saying that the design aim is that no W-Space content will be achievable by the lone explorer? C.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2009.02.19 18:45:00 - [11] Stats of drone rats are not in line with what they'll be in tranq, imho. They're there to test mainly the AI, not to give away all vital information on their behavior and strength before the expansion hits. For SiSi, get some salt, or better yet a salt roid to mine more when needed.
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2009.02.19 18:48:00 - [12] All NPC's should target drones. It is stupid that they don't do it, just because you trick them into fixating on your ship instead. It is a flaw in the AI design that you are exploiting.
Jacque Custeau Knights of the Minmatar Republic	Posted - 2009.02.19 18:49:00 - [13] Edited by: Jacque Custeau on 19/02/2009 18:53:45 Originally by: CCP Prism X I cannot really answer your questions, but I can offer perspective. What about Amarr? Their weapon systems as well as tank relies on cap, and the sleepers neut you like there's no tomorrow. They also negate range and seem to try to counter-act speed tanking.. bloody nanoboats! Point being I don't think that Gallente have it any worse off than the other races. Sleepers are just plain ebul. I feel you man. Been a long time since I PvEd and, even if it wasnt, I'm pretty certain I can't carry much of my old methods over to Sleeper space. I've never been much for drones.. but I guess there's some dancing involved with recalling drones under attack back and launching fresh ones while you recharge their damanged shields. The aim is to make NPCs behave more like PCs so I guess PvP rules would be more applicable, but I can't tell you what they are as I don't fly Gallente. But at any rate, it's Sleeper space is not really a welcome place for a lone wanderer. So I guess you could always hope that your team-mates take the brunt of the enemy fire. So will sleepers have limited cap like real PVP opponents? Or will they have infinite cap and torpedoes that strike targets 200km away? Not trying to put you in a corner Prism X, but having done L5 missions myself I can understand the frustration of having cap run dry and NPC's switching targets the way a PvP'er can't. In PVP your enemy has finite cap, finite ammo....etc. Perhaps that's a perspective you are short on. -------------------

CCP Prism X Gallente C C P CCP	Posted - 2009.02.19 18:53:00 - [14] Originally by: Cailais Originally by: CCP Prism X I But at any rate, it's Sleeper space is not really a welcome place for a lone wanderer. Are you saying that the design aim is that no W-Space content will be achievable by the lone explorer? C. EVE is a sandbox. You know I know you know this. We provide a playground. I'm pretty certain that you guys will invent new ways of dealing with new threats. I cant really speak on behalf of content designers or what their aim is. I'm a part of Team Bifrst and we provide Sleeper space and the functionality to access it. It would be quite out of line for me to make any concrete assesments on their behalf. But I don't think it's any secret that the basic entity of EVE is the corporation. Maybe it's the techie inside of me thinking that but it's a fact that characters must belong to A corporation. Corporations were here from the get-go. It's an MMO and their are a multiplayer experience.. for what it's worth you have people ***ed off at us in other topics over removing local in Sleeper space as it's a social tool. But that does not make me the infallible authority for content designers. My signature should hint at my specialization here and the fact that I'm human does mean I do not* make infallible statements. Whatever I say is open to interpretation, as you have chosen to interpret my words. I would argue that the OPs case does not revolve around soloable content, from the question alone. But to avoid further forum hysteria I post this elaboration. ~ Prism X EvE Database Developer Relocating your character to a cozy, secure container since 2006. Relocating your cozy, secure container to the EVE cemetery since 2008.

Popperr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.19 18:58:00 - [15] My solution to your problem is to use blasters on your dominix and use your drones as a meat shield, you have a huge drone bay and a hp bonus. The dominix is curiously popular in pvp and guess what players tend to shoot drones yo prism, loads of us love that the sleepers are hard as nails, this expansion looks awesome
Joe Starbreaker The Fighting Republicans	Posted - 2009.02.19 19:02:00 - [16] What I'd like to ask the devs is, does e-war work normally on Sleepers? I can deal with Sleepers that speed-tank and neut, but I'd like to know that I can scram and neut them and have it really take effect. Gallente may have trouble using their drones, but they should be able to sensor damp and to kill the Sleepers MWD with a range bonus. ........... The Fighting Republicans are recruiting!
Ghengis Tia	Posted - 2009.02.19 19:04:00 - [17] Originally by: CCP Prism X But at any rate, it's Sleeper space is not really a welcome place for a lone wanderer. I guess then us lone-wolf types are SOL. I'm going to go in there anyway with my main and an alt (logging in separately) and give it a go. It'll be a damn shame if there's no way the "lone wanderer" will be able to make use of W space.
Dinsdale Pirannha Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.19 19:06:00 - [18] Originally by: CCP Prism X I cannot really answer your questions, but I can offer perspective. What about Amarr? Their weapon systems as well as tank relies on cap, and the sleepers neut you like there's no tomorrow. They also negate range and seem to try to counter-act speed tanking.. bloody nanoboats! Point being I don't think that Gallente have it any worse off than the other races. Sleepers are just plain ebul. I feel you man. Been a long time since I PvEd and, even if it wasnt, I'm pretty certain I can't carry much of my old methods over to Sleeper space. I've never been much for drones.. but I guess there's some dancing involved with recalling drones under attack back and launching fresh ones while you recharge their damanged shields. The aim is to make NPCs behave more like PCs so I guess PvP rules would be more applicable, but I can't tell you what they are as I don't fly Gallente. But at any rate, it's Sleeper space is not really a welcome place for a lone wanderer. So I guess you could always hope that your team-mates take the brunt of the enemy fire. A few points: 1. Agreed that short/medium range Amarr take a huge nerf here as well. 2. Re PvP, did you watch the PvP alliance tourney? Exactly how many people were focusing on hammering drones? And that was PvP small gang warfare with the best pilots around. Yet that is exactly what you are proposing here, small gang warfare. And how many drone boats were used? I saw an awful lot of Ishtars, Ishkurs, Navy Vexors in that tourney. But NONE of those boats are remotely useful now. 3. You just said you don't fly Gallente, nor like drones. So based on those points, a few observations. a. You really can't keep recalling drones and sending out new waves. They are in transit so much they are never fighting. Oh, and your Sleepers are webbing the drones and insta-popping them, so the point is moot. b. I never stated I would solo this. Clearly only cohesive squads of superb pilots can venture in. c. You say other races are hit hard too. Exactly how is a Raven firing at 150 km away affected? Or an Apoc firing at 180 km? As long as they can outrun the NPC's, they are fine. Conclusions: With your stated antipathy towards drones, it is clear you don't plan on changing the AI and drone boats are indeed dead. It will be indeed interesting when this filters down to lower levels of PvE and ALL people who fly drones are affected. What will happen when 2 month old chars who never had intentions of going into wormhole space suddenly find their Vexor's Hammerhead's are getting trashed in an L2 misison? Oh BTW, a Vexor's drone bay is only 75 cu m, so he cannot carry 2 waves of medium drones, so even if drones are not webbed, there is no chance of a 2nd wave of drones.
Cailais Amarr 0utbreak KrautbreaK	Posted - 2009.02.19 19:11:00 - [19] Originally by: CCP Prism X Originally by: Cailais Originally by: CCP Prism X I But at any rate, it's Sleeper space is not really a welcome place for a lone wanderer. Are you saying that the design aim is that no W-Space content will be achievable by the lone explorer? C. EVE is a sandbox. You know I know you know this. We provide a playground. I'm pretty certain that you guys will invent new ways of dealing with new threats. I cant really speak on behalf of content designers or what their aim is. I'm a part of Team Bifrst and we provide Sleeper space and the functionality to access it. It would be quite out of line for me to make any concrete assesments on their behalf. But I don't think it's any secret that the basic entity of EVE is the corporation. Maybe it's the techie inside of me thinking that but it's a fact that characters must belong to A corporation. Corporations were here from the get-go. It's an MMO and their are a multiplayer experience.. for what it's worth you have people ***ed off at us in other topics over removing local in Sleeper space as it's a social tool. But that does not make me the infallible authority for content designers. My signature should hint at my specialization here and the fact that I'm human does mean I do not* make infallible statements. Whatever I say is open to interpretation, as you have chosen to interpret my words. I would argue that the OPs case does not revolve around soloable content, from the question alone. But to avoid further forum hysteria I post this elaboration. Thanks for the reply Prism X, I wasnt intentionally trying to translate your words into a statement of fact. Just as you tend to view players as part of a Corp, we tend to view developers likewise - omnipotent and of the same vision. Which rather neatly illustrates my concern; players, even when in corps, often act independently from them (hence the ops concern about losing all his drones and having no back up as a result). Indeed as you'll probably recognise - groups of players (corps) are likely to fragmented geographically by w-space. Didn't log on last night? - unlucky your corp mates went for a w-space roam and are now 75 jumps away in .0 (it was only two jumps for them at the time). I personally look forward to such challenges, but it would be frustrating to get into / get left in W-Space only to find that alone all the content was de-barred on the basis of extreme difficulty / impossibility. C. Originally by: Capa So if you wake up one morning and it's a particularly beautiful day, you'll know we made it.
Dr Resheph Amarr YOU ARE NOW READING THIS LOUDLY	Posted - 2009.02.19 19:12:00 - [20] I fly Gallente, and fyi, not all Gallente ships are drone boats. Deimos is great for belt ratting, and Astarte with rails is great for deadspace. Not to mention other races have ships which favor drone dps. Armageddon and Typhoon is in the same situation as the Megathron, for example. Not having a good medium range gun is more of an issue for Gallente in PVE than not being able to use drones. Blasters are not suitable, especially in deadspace. And stuff like 350mm is still too high range. So this entire thread and the complaint behind it is pretty moot.
Destination SkillQueue Are We There Yet	Posted - 2009.02.19 19:13:00 - [21] Originally by: Ghengis Tia Originally by: CCP Prism X But at any rate, it's Sleeper space is not really a welcome place for a lone wanderer. I guess then us lone-wolf types are SOL. I'm going to go in there anyway with my main and an alt (logging in separately) and give it a go. It'll be a damn shame if there's no way the "lone wanderer" will be able to make use of W space. Originally by: CCP prism X I cant really speak on behalf of content designers or what their aim is. I'm a part of Team Bifrst and we provide Sleeper space and the functionality to access it. It would be quite out of line for me to make any concrete assesments on their behalf. The man is clearly just making educated guesses about the NPCs. If you could solo them all, they wouldn't be much different from the current NPC rabble. I'm pretty sure the guys responsible for the sleepers said SOME of the new content is solo friendly, but still much more challenging than current NPCs.
Caldari Citizen4714	Posted - 2009.02.19 19:18:00 - [22] Originally by: CCP Prism X I cannot really answer your questions, but I can offer perspective. What about Amarr? Their weapon systems as well as tank relies on cap, and the sleepers neut you like there's no tomorrow. They also negate range and seem to try to counter-act speed tanking.. bloody nanoboats! Point being I don't think that Gallente have it any worse off than the other races. Sleepers are just plain ebul. I feel you man. Been a long time since I PvEd and, even if it wasnt, I'm pretty certain I can't carry much of my old methods over to Sleeper space. I've never been much for drones.. but I guess there's some dancing involved with recalling drones under attack back and launching fresh ones while you recharge their damanged shields. The aim is to make NPCs behave more like PCs so I guess PvP rules would be more applicable, but I can't tell you what they are as I don't fly Gallente. But at any rate, it's Sleeper space is not really a welcome place for a lone wanderer. So I guess you could always hope that your team-mates take the brunt of the enemy fire. So in other words, fly one of these: [Broadsword, Sleeperkiller] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II Explosion Dampening Amplifier II Heat Dissipation Amplifier II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Recon Probe Launcher I, Snoop Scanner Probe I /OFFLINE (read: the new probe launcher) Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I 703 sustained tank with passive hardener skills @ IV. 62k EHP. (my skills, not all V) Only thing cap is used for is warping. Or am I overestimating the neutyness?
Muhammed Jafar	Posted - 2009.02.19 19:20:00 - [23] Originally by: CCP Prism X I cannot really answer your questions, but I can offer perspective. What about Amarr? Their weapon systems as well as tank relies on cap, and the sleepers neut you like there's no tomorrow. They also negate range and seem to try to counter-act speed tanking.. bloody nanoboats! Point being I don't think that Gallente have it any worse off than the other races. Sleepers are just plain ebul. Are you serious right now? Its good to know the Dev's are as dumb as the players. The fact that Amarr Lasers use cap, does not in anyway balance the fact that they have the best damage (or damn close), the best range, AND don't use **ing ammo. Whats worse, half of ing amarr ships have bonuses to using less cap, negating your argument, and all of them have increased base capacitor capabilities. Cap use is not a penalty if all the ships are bonuses to make it nothing of concern. Oh, and heres a little fun fact for you, hybrid turrets use cap too! (OMG who knew?!) So guess what, not only do the sleepers kill our **ing drones, but we wont be able to use our main weapons either.
Muhammed Jafar	Posted - 2009.02.19 19:22:00 - [24] Originally by: CCP Prism X I cannot really answer your questions, but I can offer perspective. What about Amarr? Their weapon systems as well as tank relies on cap, and the sleepers neut you like there's no tomorrow. They also negate range and seem to try to counter-act speed tanking.. bloody nanoboats! Point being I don't think that Gallente have it any worse off than the other races. Sleepers are just plain ebul. Are you serious right now? Its good to know the Dev's are as dumb as the players. The fact that Amarr Lasers use cap, does not in anyway balance the fact that they have the best damage (or damn close), the best range, AND don't use **ing ammo. Whats worse, half of ing amarr ships have bonuses to using less cap, negating your argument, and all of them have increased base capacitor capabilities. Cap use is not a penalty if all the ships are bonuses to make it nothing of concern. Oh, and heres a little fun fact for you, hybrid turrets use cap too! (OMG who knew?!) So guess what, not only do the sleepers kill our ing drones, but we wont be able to use our main weapons either. Originally by:** CCP Prism X I don't fly Gallente. Yeah thats pretty ****ing obvious considering how stupid you are.
Muhammed Jafar	Posted - 2009.02.19 19:22:00 - [25] Originally by: CCP Prism X I cannot really answer your questions, but I can offer perspective. What about Amarr? Their weapon systems as well as tank relies on cap, and the sleepers neut you like there's no tomorrow. They also negate range and seem to try to counter-act speed tanking.. bloody nanoboats! Point being I don't think that Gallente have it any worse off than the other races. Sleepers are just plain ebul. Are you serious right now? Its good to know the Dev's are as dumb as the players. The fact that Amarr Lasers use cap, does not in anyway balance the fact that they have the best damage (or damn close), the best range, AND don't use **ing ammo. Whats worse, half of ing amarr ships have bonuses to using less cap, negating your argument, and all of them have increased base capacitor capabilities. Cap use is not a penalty if all the ships are bonuses to make it nothing of concern. Oh, and heres a little fun fact for you, hybrid turrets use cap too! (OMG who knew?!) So guess what, not only do the sleepers kill our ing drones, but we wont be able to use our main weapons either. Originally by:** CCP Prism X I don't fly Gallente. Yeah thats pretty ****ing obvious considering how stupid you are.
Caldari Citizen4714	Posted - 2009.02.19 19:23:00 - [26] Originally by: Popperr My solution to your problem is to use blasters on your dominix and use your drones as a meat shield, you have a huge drone bay and a hp bonus. The dominix is curiously popular in pvp and guess what players tend to shoot drones yo prism, loads of us love that the sleepers are hard as nails, this expansion looks awesome What's curious about having a full rack of highs for utility or weapons, 1-2 utility midslots and a badass buffer or active tank in addition to great DPS?
brakespear Minmatar Heaven Up Here	Posted - 2009.02.19 19:26:00 - [27] Edited by: brakespear on 19/02/2009 19:28:08 Originally by: Destination SkillQueue Originally by: CCP prism X I cant really speak on behalf of content designers or what their aim is. I'm a part of Team Bifrst and we provide Sleeper space and the functionality to access it. It would be quite out of line for me to make any concrete assesments on their behalf. The man is clearly just making educated guesses about the NPCs. If you could solo them all, they wouldn't be much different from the current NPC rabble. I'm pretty sure the guys responsible for the sleepers said SOME of the new content is solo friendly, but still much more challenging than current NPCs. Yes Originally by: CCP Ytterbium Sleeper difficutly is varied in all kind of levels and types; the easiest encounters can be soloed, while the hardest require excellent gang coordination and expertise to take out. From what I see here, it looks like players only faced one of the hard encounter types, which is explaining the outcome. From Game Development Forum here -------------------------------------------------- 'people will always be tempted to wipe their feet on anything with 'welcome' written on it.'
Caldari Citizen4714	Posted - 2009.02.19 19:27:00 - [28] Originally by: Dinsdale Pirannha Conclusions: With your stated antipathy towards drones, it is clear you don't plan on changing the AI and drone boats are indeed dead. It will be indeed interesting when this filters down to lower levels of PvE and ALL people who fly drones are affected. What will happen when 2 month old chars who never had intentions of going into wormhole space suddenly find their Vexor's Hammerhead's are getting trashed in an L2 misison? Oh BTW, a Vexor's drone bay is only 75 cu m, so he cannot carry 2 waves of medium drones, so even if drones are not webbed, there is no chance of a 2nd wave of drones. Sentry drones have always been the only reliably viable PvE drone. Combat drones draw full room aggro in a lot of missions, making them completely nonviable. I even went so far as to petition this once. The GM response was basically a snarky: "I can do it just fine, you're doing it wrong". He wouldn't elaborate, but I can only assume he meant sentries. With sentries you can scoop & deploy instantly assuming you don't move. So you'd better have a mean tank.
Ghengis Tia	Posted - 2009.02.19 19:28:00 - [29] Originally by: Destination SkillQueue Originally by: Ghengis Tia Originally by: CCP Prism X But at any rate, it's Sleeper space is not really a welcome place for a lone wanderer. I guess then us lone-wolf types are SOL. I'm going to go in there anyway with my main and an alt (logging in separately) and give it a go. It'll be a damn shame if there's no way the "lone wanderer" will be able to make use of W space. Originally by: CCP prism X I cant really speak on behalf of content designers or what their aim is. I'm a part of Team Bifrst and we provide Sleeper space and the functionality to access it. It would be quite out of line for me to make any concrete assesments on their behalf. The man is clearly just making educated guesses about the NPCs. If you could solo them all, they wouldn't be much different from the current NPC rabble. I'm pretty sure the guys responsible for the sleepers said SOME of the new content is solo friendly, but still much more challenging than current NPCs. I don't want to solo them all, I just want to be able to participate in W space providing I'm very careful and patient, and able to pick off and salvage a sleeper or two without instant annihilation. I'm looking forward to a tougher, meaner NPC. But if I need a gang of 10 or 20 to even begin to engage the sleepers, W-space will be for sightseeing while cloaked, and nothing else for the solo player. There's only one way to find out, I suppose. I'm really looking forward to it actually.
Cailais Amarr 0utbreak KrautbreaK	Posted - 2009.02.19 19:32:00 - [30] Originally by: Muhammed Jafar Yeah thats pretty ***ing obvious considering how stupid you are. Its folks like you that leads to Devs not posting anything at all. Why don't you bundle up all that emo rage and shove it up your drone bay eh? C. Originally by:* Capa So if you wake up one morning and it's a particularly beautiful day, you'll know we made it.

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