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Kachak
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.02.19 20:51:00 -
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Hello and greetings.
I would first like to state that I am only simple EvE player, and I fully respect the democratically elected status of all CSM members. I just want to make my cry heard, so with all do respect, here's my two cents..
Are you aware of the "state of the economy" in EvE? I'm asking since you do not seem to be aware..
Are you aware how much isk does Joe the Miner make per hour? I'm asking since you do not seem to be aware..
Are you aware that 85% of miners in EvE work with no social rights at all?
Are you aware that 60% of all pod pilots cannot afford to pay for insurance for their ships?
Are you aware that 32% of the population in EvE is trying to sustain their lives by selling T2 stuff they have inherited from their ancestors?
I'm asking since you do not seem to be aware..
You talk about the T3 ships.. Fine..
Are you aware that the top 1.2% of pod pilots own 86% of the whole wealth (cash and assets) in EvE?
Is this fare, in your opinion?
T3 ships, sure. They sound cool. Are you aware who will be able to buy one?
This is not acceptable. This is outright elitism.
Tell me now that EvE online is an elitist society, and I will shut up right away. But you pretend to be beacons of democracy, elections and all. Do you serve the people, or the elite?
I, for one, do not need T3 ships. I need isk to buy food for my kids.
I, for one, need a job, ffs. All the mining positions in my corp are already filled. How am I supposed to make isk if I cannot work?
Are you aware that 84% of all miners are not mining atm?
That's right, we do need a "stimulus plan", us blue collared underdogs of EvE. What you don't realize, IMHO, is that a plan that's saving the elite is not exactly thumbs up for us.
Are you aware what would happen if 72% of all miners in EvE stopped mining for a week?
I'm asking since you do not seem to be aware..
Oh yes, this is a threat.. sue me
You sincerely do not know who you are dancing with. You had your campaign, you were elected fair & square, very good fight.. You just seem to forget that "the elite" are low in numbers. And us, the "blue collars" are immense.
I say deliver a T3 ship to every hardworking miner's hangar, so the laystones of EvE economy get a chance to even it out with the elites.
I say make corps pay for social rights of miners in their squad. It is only fair.
Through mining op commander connections, this manifest officially represents 63% of all miners in EvE (granted the figures in the latest economy update report are correct).
Let it also be known that I personally believe at least half of the miners who are not officially represented by this manifest would agree with what I had to say.
So - all in all - respectable members of CSM - are you there for the elite, or the crowd?
I'm asking since you do not seem to be aware..
Peace
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Cedric Diggory
Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps
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Posted - 2009.02.19 20:52:00 -
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First in a shiney alt post?
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 Originally by: 7shining7one7
a) there are no conspiracies whatsoever
b) those who believe there are are nuts
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Khemul Zula
Amarr
Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2009.02.19 20:53:00 -
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Viva la revolucion!
Wait...what?
Sig is now EVE related. Happy mods?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.19 20:53:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 19/02/2009 20:55:49
Feeding the troll :
Dear OP, are you aware that you simply have no idea what you're talking about ?
I mean, you have SOME idea, and on SOME of the issues you sort of have a point, but you seem to think "all is wrong" as opposed to "mostly working exactly as intended".
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Troll rating :
4/10 for effort
6/10 for beliavability
9/10 for made-up statistics
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Guardian Federation
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Posted - 2009.02.19 20:54:00 -
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Good post 8/10
Power to the People!
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Pattern Clarc
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Posted - 2009.02.19 20:55:00 -
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Do I need my RP hat on for this one?
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My Blog Is Awesome
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Ron Bacardi
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2009.02.19 20:56:00 -
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Wow, all those words and made up numbers for a thread that will probably be page two in an hour.
Kudos sir, kudos.
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Back Again
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2009.02.19 20:58:00 -
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woa, miners revolution... yeah
I don't RP this much tho 
No signature here,
only the bright light of a ship
exploding right in front of me...
Ohhh, wait, I'm in a pod!!
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Spurty
Caldari
Amok.
Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.02.19 21:04:00 -
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Another socialist "gowny" talking out of their aft air lock.
Go do something people want and become successful and rich.
Digging ditches is not that "thing".
Elitism has nothing to do with attained wealth. Its to do with the crowd you allow to hang with. Hoping that only need to sell the one GTC to attain a T3 ship myself ;0
BrRAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIiiiiiiNNNNNNZzzzzzzzzzzz |
Kachak
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.02.19 21:06:00 -
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Numbers are made up when they make you itch?
Typical..
This is resources for all the statistical data in the manifest:
http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/pdf/QEN_Q1-2008.pdf
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baltec1
Antares Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.02.19 21:18:00 -
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83% of statistics are made up on the spot.
Quote:
Are you aware what would happen if 72% of all miners in EvE stopped mining for a week?
I will get very rich.
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Dau Imperius
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.02.19 21:20:00 -
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Did you know 9 out of 10 doctors say that drinking sodium chloride is bad for you?
Yeah...this post is in the 'wtf' department mate. The CSM is here to bring up game issues that CCP can 'develop' into the game, not to um, figure out why some people need a life outside the game.  Alt posting is bad, mm-kay.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.19 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: Kachak
Are you aware what would happen if 72% of all miners in EvE stopped mining for a week?
Trit supply would drop about a third, every other mineral would be less affected.
In other words... no big deal.
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Kachak
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.02.19 21:25:00 -
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Originally by: Dau Imperius
Alt posting is bad, mm-kay.
Kachak is my main.. I do not alt-post. Check me ingame, chief of ops and official diplomat for me corp. Does that sound like alt to you?
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Kachak
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.02.19 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Kachak
Are you aware what would happen if 72% of all miners in EvE stopped mining for a week?
Trit supply would drop about a third, every other mineral would be less affected.
In other words... no big deal.
You are optimistic, if I might say, no offense.
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Sun Clausewitz
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Posted - 2009.02.19 21:32:00 -
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Did you know that 4 out of Dentists recommend chewing Trident between meals
72% of Americans are on Anti-Depressants
and 100% of this Thread is BS
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.02.19 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: Kachak
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Kachak
Are you aware what would happen if 72% of all miners in EvE stopped mining for a week?
Trit supply would drop about a third, every other mineral would be less affected.
In other words... no big deal.
You are optimistic, if I might say, no offense.
Brother, can you not see that you are wasting your time on this imperialist running-dog lackey. There is only one language the capitalist bloodsuckers will listen to: the language of the glorious people's revolution!
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MooKids
Caldari
Dark Echo Engineering
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Posted - 2009.02.19 21:35:00 -
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Proven fact that 64% of all statistics are made up.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.19 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Kachak
You are optimistic, if I might say, no offense.
This was the one month split for all items reprocessed measured mid-august to mid-september 2008.
Mineral || Ore%||Loot%|| Drone Compounds%
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Tritanium || 46% || 43% || 11%
Pyerite || 29% || 60% || 10%
Mexallon || 30% || 59% || 11%
Isogen || 21% || 56% || 23%
Nocxium || 18% || 32% || 51%
Zydrine || 43% || 18% || 40%
Megacyte || 44% || 39% || 16%
Morphite || 77% || 1% || 22%
* Ore is minerals from the asteroid ores
* loot is modules, ships, charges, drones for example.
* drone compounds are loot items from rogue drones
Data provided here by CCP Chronotis.
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So... if 72% of miners stop mining, and if we somehow miraculously assume most that will still mine are mining in the same ratios they mine nowadays (as opposed to, you know, mining MORE Veldspar as usual since Trit prices went up again), this would reduce the Trit-from-Veld from 46% to around 13%, for a grand total of 13%+54% = 67% Tritanium on the market compared to "now".
That's ONE THIRD drop in tritanium volume.
Every other mineral (except Morphite, which we have way too much of anyway) will be LESS affected.
So, no, I'm actually being quite pessimistic... this is a WORST CASE SCENARIO 
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Vall Kor
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.19 21:42:00 -
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You say you want a revolution
Well you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well you know
We all want to change the world
But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be alright
Alright Alright
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Kachak
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.02.19 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
So, no, I'm actually being quite pessimistic... this is a WORST CASE SCENARIO
What makes you think the 63% of the miner population I represent are only mining Veld?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.19 21:45:00 -
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Doesn't matter what they mine
Tritanium is the only bottleneck mineral.
The numbers for the "worst case scenario" assumes the same amount of people give up mining Veldspar as anything else.
If more people that DON'T mine Veldspar give up mining, the overall maket is LESS affected.
Market would be WORST affected if ALL those miners that give up are almost exclusively Veldspar miners, and no other miners start mining Veldspar, which is nigh-impossible, since most people would be sucking all Veld dry as Veld/Trit prices start going through the roof.
I realize I'm talking with a troll, but at least try to be logically consistent when you troll
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Kachak
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.02.19 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Doesn't matter what they mine
Tritanium is the only bottleneck mineral.
The numbers for the "worst case scenario" assumes the same amount of people give up mining Veldspar as anything else.
If more people that DON'T mine Veldspar give up mining, the overall maket is LESS affected.
Market would be WORST affected if ALL those miners that give up are almost exclusively Veldspar miners, and no other miners start mining Veldspar, which is nigh-impossible, since most people would be sucking all Veld dry as Veld/Trit prices start going through the roof.
I realize I'm talking with a troll, but at least try to be logically consistent when you troll
Thank you very much for calling me a "troll".
What data have you got to call veld a bottleneck ore? Have you ever been in a market with no Jaspet? Or no Arkonor for example?
If you have know-how of certain alchemistic procedures of transforming ores, I STFU this moment.
If not, please elaborate on your arguement.
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2009.02.19 21:57:00 -
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Are you aware of the "state of the economy" in EvE? I'm asking since you do not seem to be aware..
Yes. I wrote a large PDF about it.
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Are you aware how much isk does Joe the Miner make per hour? I'm asking since you do not seem to be aware..
Yes. We already raised an issue about this.
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Are you aware that 85% of miners in EvE work with no social rights at all?
Are you aware that 60% of all pod pilots cannot afford to pay for insurance for their ships?
Are you aware that 32% of the population in EvE is trying to sustain their lives by selling T2 stuff they have inherited from their ancestors?
Are you aware that 90% of all statistics are made up?
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This is not acceptable. This is outright elitism.
If you put in a bit of effort and you can make ISK and be in the "elite" too.
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So - all in all - respectable members of CSM - are you there for the elite, or the crowd?
I'm here for the working man. 
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Kachak
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.02.19 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
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Are you aware of the "state of the economy" in EvE? I'm asking since you do not seem to be aware..
Yes. I wrote a large PDF about it.
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Are you aware how much isk does Joe the Miner make per hour? I'm asking since you do not seem to be aware..
Yes. We already raised an issue about this.
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Are you aware that 85% of miners in EvE work with no social rights at all?
Are you aware that 60% of all pod pilots cannot afford to pay for insurance for their ships?
Are you aware that 32% of the population in EvE is trying to sustain their lives by selling T2 stuff they have inherited from their ancestors?
Are you aware that 90% of all statistics are made up?
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This is not acceptable. This is outright elitism.
If you put in a bit of effort and you can make ISK and be in the "elite" too.
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So - all in all - respectable members of CSM - are you there for the elite, or the crowd?
I'm here for the working man.
Is the next elections near?
Cuz this sound like politics to me. No substantial solutions, but just rhetoric.
Tell me about the T3 ships LaVista.. who will fly them, your perfect world?
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LaVista Vista
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Posted - 2009.02.19 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Kachak
Is the next elections near?
Cuz this sound like politics to me. No substantial solutions, but just rhetoric.
Tell me about the T3 ships LaVista.. who will fly them, your perfect world?
I can't run for another term .
The elite will fly T3. It's pretty simple. In my perfect world, everybody who takes the time will be able to fly them. However I don't think that will be the case, at least not for another -+ year.
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Korizan
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Posted - 2009.02.19 22:07:00 -
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Edited by: Korizan on 19/02/2009 22:07:48
As somebody who runs a mainly mining corp....
What are you talking about ?????????
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Kachak
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.02.19 22:11:00 -
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Originally by: LaVista Vista
I can't run for another term .
The elite will fly T3. It's pretty simple. In my perfect world, everybody who takes the time will be able to fly them. However I don't think that will be the case, at least not for another -+ year.
Plz, since you are 1 decent member of CSM who have bothered to make face in this thread..are you implying time spent in EvE online will make you access T3 ships?
If that is so, dont you think its unfair? Shouldnt quality time be a better scale?
For example, if some certain person sits in station 23/7, and I mine 3 hours per day.. are you suggesting the station junkee deserves more than I do ?
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Trebor Notlimah
Lone Star EVE Group
Veni Vidi Vici
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Posted - 2009.02.19 22:24:00 -
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Its OK guys -- I'm one of the top 1.2%!
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Ankhesentapemkah
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Posted - 2009.02.19 22:25:00 -
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Are you aware that 2/9 CSM are in NPC corps? So what is this elite you are speaking of? 
Anyway, I'm affraid that T3 won't be available to the masses, just like most other high-end ships. How many players have the skills and the cash to outfit and fly a command ship? Or a marauder? Capital ships? The elitism is already there, try to establish yourself in 0.0 nowadays, you don't stand much of a chance because there's already a bigger alliance entrenched near you, which will immediately lay waste to any POS you set up.
We are aware of the issues with mining. CCP is aware of it too. If you have any specific suggestions, feel free to mail them to us and we will review it. Claiming that the CSM is not aware of what's going on in EVE is false.
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