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Jago Kain
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Posted - 2009.02.21 03:00:00 -
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 Originally by: Epegi Givo
wasn't France on the winning side in WWI? I could have sworn that without the french USA wouldn't be a country. First country in Europe to evolve past monarchy (temporarily, till napoleon took over).
Not true actually.
I'm not sure if we were the first in Europe, but England was a republic briefly thanks to the sterling efforts of Oliver Cromwell.
Sadly, his boy Richard dropped the ball and we ended up with the blood-sucking leeches back in after an abscence of just over ten years. Perhaps if the puritans hadn't been such fun-police it would have held?.... we shall never know.
This all took place in 1649-1660 and the French Revolution didn't start until 1789, although the French have admittedly done a much better job of not handing the country straight back to the next chinless, inbred cretin to show up with a pointy metal hat and a birthmark.
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Posted - 2009.02.21 04:05:00 -
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Originally by: Cmdr Sy
Originally by: Jacob Mei
Frances actions during WWII pretty much destroyed all that and set it up for the butt of all military jokes.
Undeservedly so. Reading Flight to Arras (or any account of losses) is a useful aid to understanding what happened. They were not ready, they were going to lose and they knew it. They did keep fighting, but individually, in isolation, without communications or a plan. They were averaging a division worth of men killed every week over the six weeks. The war would go on, but they would fall first. I am not going to be too quick to judge people who fought knowing within days they would lose their country. Not believing, knowing. I don't see too many victors with that test of character ticked off in their history.
Id argue that the allies knew that, hence why France was the sight of the first allied invasion. I think the problem arose from the actions obsurved during the allied invasion of the french people. I cant recall the exact details, but if I remember correctly there is a documented event in which allied forces freed a town, that town in celebration put up the national flags of their liberators, then recieved word the germans were regrouping to retake the town, and were told by their mayor to take said liberator flags down because of the germans coming back.
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Posted - 2009.02.21 04:27:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei
Originally by: Epegi Givo
wasn't France on the winning side in WWI? I could have sworn that without the french USA wouldn't be a country. First country in Europe to evolve past monarchy (temporarily, till napoleon took over).
Frances actions during WWII pretty much destroyed all that and set it up for the butt of all military jokes.
This.
Also aside from Napoleon and when Britain/The US are on their side, they haven't done that well..
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Izzy Lizzy
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.21 06:13:00 -
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Originally by: Lorth
I can't believe that bringing WWI to a relatively swift end was a mistake
Consequences! Without that swift end America helped to bring the war most likely ends in stalemate. Meaning the allies can't impose the harsh treaty of versailles which was definitely a key factor in helping kick off the second world war. Germany was quite bitter over that treaty and nearly all historians today consider it a disaster.
Originally by: HazeInADaze
LOL so your saying american foreign policy is winstons fault?
Who the **** is winston? I said Wilson, and he IS the father of current American foreign policy.
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Abraham Azadian
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Posted - 2009.02.21 08:13:00 -
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Originally by: Jacob Mei
I think the problem arose from the actions obsurved during the allied invasion of the french people. I cant recall the exact details, but if I remember correctly there is a documented event in which allied forces freed a town, that town in celebration put up the national flags of their liberators, then recieved word the germans were regrouping to retake the town, and were told by their mayor to take said liberator flags down because of the germans coming back.
Interesting how you're cherrypicking "facts" (don't put "documented" without a source, I have never heard of this story) to show how bad the french were. If your story is true maybe it was to prevent this or this or this or maybe this again.
I will not even respond to the ignorant tard posting below you as I don't consider murdochian press' memes to be historical data of anykind.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2009.02.21 09:50:00 -
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Heh, if you think this is racist, try typing in 'I am extremely' and look at the suggested searches...
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Posted - 2009.02.21 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Izzy Lizzy
Originally by: Lorth
I can't believe that bringing WWI to a relatively swift end was a mistake
Consequences! Without that swift end America helped to bring the war most likely ends in stalemate. Meaning the allies can't impose the harsh treaty of versailles which was definitely a key factor in helping kick off the second world war. Germany was quite bitter over that treaty and nearly all historians today consider it a disaster.
I'll concede that you make a very good point there. And its rather amazing how much that treaty influenced event throughout the 20th century.
Though I'll maintain that Wilson maybe the father of American foreign policy, though the fault will lie more with am unbroken line of his successors following his example, then with the man him self. And some would argue that it hasn't been a universally bad thing.
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AlexAllgood
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Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.02.21 22:35:00 -
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Incoming TCF wardec
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