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Illia Pol	Posted - 2004.08.08 16:55:00 - [1] Edited by: Illia Pol on 09/08/2004 02:04:50 The primary goal of this research is to determine which corporations are the best and why without using the popularity contest approach, e.g. asking Which corp. is your favorite?. http://v2.eve-roi.com/survey/ccp/sat?source=1 You can read more about the intent of this projects at: http://eve-roi.com/res.php Also, feel free to outline any mistakes/things I've missed. --
Illia Pol	Posted - 2004.08.08 16:55:00 - [2] Edited by: Illia Pol on 09/08/2004 02:04:50 The primary goal of this research is to determine which corporations are the best and why without using the popularity contest approach, e.g. asking Which corp. is your favorite?. http://v2.eve-roi.com/survey/ccp/sat?source=1 You can read more about the intent of this projects at: http://eve-roi.com/res.php Also, feel free to outline any mistakes/things I've missed. --
Draximus Prime	Posted - 2004.08.08 18:20:00 - [3] Edited by: Draximus Prime on 08/08/2004 18:34:28 The second or third question doesnt make sense. "...blah blah for for blah blah..." ______________________ To dare in fields is valor; but how few dare to be throughly valiant to be true?
Draximus Prime	Posted - 2004.08.08 18:20:00 - [4] Edited by: Draximus Prime on 08/08/2004 18:34:28 The second or third question doesnt make sense. "...blah blah for for blah blah..." ______________________ To dare in fields is valor; but how few dare to be throughly valiant to be true?
Reptar	Posted - 2004.08.08 18:22:00 - [5] omfg marketing in eve now!
Reptar	Posted - 2004.08.08 18:22:00 - [6] omfg marketing in eve now!
Negotiator	Posted - 2004.08.08 19:53:00 - [7] i stopped because half the questions didn't apply.
Negotiator	Posted - 2004.08.08 19:53:00 - [8] i stopped because half the questions didn't apply.
November's Sun	Posted - 2004.08.08 19:59:00 - [9] should be different sets of questions depending on what lvl of management u are. Plus what a rip, i spend all this time and then dont even get to see total results thus far.
November's Sun	Posted - 2004.08.08 19:59:00 - [10] should be different sets of questions depending on what lvl of management u are. Plus what a rip, i spend all this time and then dont even get to see total results thus far.
Khouri	Posted - 2004.08.08 20:07:00 - [11] Think you need to remake that questionaire, half of it doesnt make sense and 95% of it doesnt apply.
Khouri	Posted - 2004.08.08 20:07:00 - [12] Think you need to remake that questionaire, half of it doesnt make sense and 95% of it doesnt apply.
nad211	Posted - 2004.08.08 20:34:00 - [13] Edited by: nad211 on 08/08/2004 20:36:41 I also think you should redo your questions. One of the last questions: How long have you worked for <your corp> Possible answer: more than FIVE (!!!) years. EVE is not THAT old! ^_^ XETIC Diplomat
nad211	Posted - 2004.08.08 20:34:00 - [14] Edited by: nad211 on 08/08/2004 20:36:41 I also think you should redo your questions. One of the last questions: How long have you worked for <your corp> Possible answer: more than FIVE (!!!) years. EVE is not THAT old! ^_^ XETIC Diplomat
caldari thug	Posted - 2004.08.08 21:06:00 - [15] hmm ok I did it now let me have the 10mil isk
caldari thug	Posted - 2004.08.08 21:06:00 - [16] hmm ok I did it now let me have the 10mil isk
KamiCrazy	Posted - 2004.08.08 21:40:00 - [17] Same I had a hard time answering questions due to the fact that some of the sections are totally non applicable. I don't have supervisors in my corp for example. Some corp structures just aren't made in the same way as modern corporate structures.
KamiCrazy	Posted - 2004.08.08 21:40:00 - [18] Same I had a hard time answering questions due to the fact that some of the sections are totally non applicable. I don't have supervisors in my corp for example. Some corp structures just aren't made in the same way as modern corporate structures.
MrBinary	Posted - 2004.08.08 21:42:00 - [19] /me crosses fingers... C'mon! Papa needs a new pair of boots. Regards, MrBinary "[ 2004.05.20 20:11:42 ] Hodal Xibur > Die MrBinary"
MrBinary	Posted - 2004.08.08 21:42:00 - [20] /me crosses fingers... C'mon! Papa needs a new pair of boots. Regards, MrBinary "[ 2004.05.20 20:11:42 ] Hodal Xibur > Die MrBinary"
Hamatitio	Posted - 2004.08.08 21:55:00 - [21] links dont work for me -- Director of Ganking: Death Row Inc.
Hamatitio	Posted - 2004.08.08 21:55:00 - [22] links dont work for me -- Director of Ganking: Death Row Inc.
ClarCE	Posted - 2004.08.08 22:51:00 - [23] Had to use some imagination to get the questions to fit, but got there --'The Way is Shut'-- ----------------------- Jenny...Get to the Chopper---Stick Around -----------------------
ClarCE	Posted - 2004.08.08 22:51:00 - [24] Had to use some imagination to get the questions to fit, but got there --'The Way is Shut'-- ----------------------- Jenny...Get to the Chopper---Stick Around -----------------------
Barth3zzzNL	Posted - 2004.08.08 23:13:00 - [25] Meh that thing is long. I better win some money... --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Barth3zzzNL	Posted - 2004.08.08 23:13:00 - [26] Meh that thing is long. I better win some money... --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Marcus Aurelius	Posted - 2004.08.08 23:28:00 - [27] Originally by: KamiCrazy Same I had a hard time answering questions due to the fact that some of the sections are totally non applicable. I don't have supervisors in my corp for example. Some corp structures just aren't made in the same way as modern corporate structures. Roleplay and improvise for chrissakes, there's isk to be made. It's not like this test was written with eve in mid.
Marcus Aurelius	Posted - 2004.08.08 23:28:00 - [28] Originally by: KamiCrazy Same I had a hard time answering questions due to the fact that some of the sections are totally non applicable. I don't have supervisors in my corp for example. Some corp structures just aren't made in the same way as modern corporate structures. Roleplay and improvise for chrissakes, there's isk to be made. It's not like this test was written with eve in mid.
Illia Pol	Posted - 2004.08.09 01:52:00 - [29] Originally by: Khouri Think you need to remake that questionaire, half of it doesnt make sense and 95% of it doesnt apply. hrm, OK then. I've made that huge question area optional. So, you can just leave it blank if something doesn't apply. 72 completes so far. Thanks for hanging in there! --
Illia Pol	Posted - 2004.08.09 01:52:00 - [30] Originally by: Khouri Think you need to remake that questionaire, half of it doesnt make sense and 95% of it doesnt apply. hrm, OK then. I've made that huge question area optional. So, you can just leave it blank if something doesn't apply. 72 completes so far. Thanks for hanging in there! --
Illia Pol	Posted - 2004.08.09 01:53:00 - [31] Originally by: nad211 I also think you should redo your questions. One of the last questions: How long have you worked for <your corp> Possible answer: more than FIVE (!!!) years. EVE is not THAT old! ^_^ Thanks and done! --
Illia Pol	Posted - 2004.08.09 01:53:00 - [32] Originally by: nad211 I also think you should redo your questions. One of the last questions: How long have you worked for <your corp> Possible answer: more than FIVE (!!!) years. EVE is not THAT old! ^_^ Thanks and done! --
Illia Pol	Posted - 2004.08.09 01:56:00 - [33] Originally by: November's Sun should be different sets of questions depending on what lvl of management u are. Like what? Originally by: November's Sun Plus what a rip, i spend all this time and then dont even get to see total results thus far. I'm going to create some segmentation algorithm based on the findings, so you'll be able to answer just a few questions and then know what type of player you are...not that you don't already know...but it can be fun! :) --
Illia Pol	Posted - 2004.08.09 01:56:00 - [34] Originally by: November's Sun should be different sets of questions depending on what lvl of management u are. Like what? Originally by: November's Sun Plus what a rip, i spend all this time and then dont even get to see total results thus far. I'm going to create some segmentation algorithm based on the findings, so you'll be able to answer just a few questions and then know what type of player you are...not that you don't already know...but it can be fun! :) --
Dirtball	Posted - 2004.08.09 05:52:00 - [35] at what point will you post the results if at all?
Dirtball	Posted - 2004.08.09 05:52:00 - [36] at what point will you post the results if at all?
SweatySack	Posted - 2004.08.09 06:52:00 - [37] Yeah would like to see the results. Also to those who said some things did not make sense...try making a survey that indepth and have it apply to everyone.
SweatySack	Posted - 2004.08.09 06:52:00 - [38] Yeah would like to see the results. Also to those who said some things did not make sense...try making a survey that indepth and have it apply to everyone.
Illia Pol	Posted - 2004.08.09 12:35:00 - [39] Originally by: Dirtball at what point will you post the results if at all? I'll be gathering responses till 8/22/04. Will do the drawing on that same day and then publish results a few days later. --
Illia Pol	Posted - 2004.08.09 12:35:00 - [40] Originally by: Dirtball at what point will you post the results if at all? I'll be gathering responses till 8/22/04. Will do the drawing on that same day and then publish results a few days later. --
Illia Pol	Posted - 2004.08.09 12:46:00 - [41] Originally by: Draximus Prime "...blah blah for for blah blah..." Should have been work for. Fixed and thanks for pointing it out. --
Illia Pol	Posted - 2004.08.09 12:46:00 - [42] Originally by: Draximus Prime "...blah blah for for blah blah..." Should have been work for. Fixed and thanks for pointing it out. --
Illia Pol	Posted - 2004.08.09 12:46:00 - [43] Originally by: Draximus Prime "...blah blah for for blah blah..." Should have been work for. Fixed and thanks for pointing it out. --
Illia Pol	Posted - 2004.08.09 12:46:00 - [44] Originally by: Draximus Prime "...blah blah for for blah blah..." Should have been work for. Fixed and thanks for pointing it out. --
Scorpyn	Posted - 2004.08.09 14:57:00 - [45] Edited by: Scorpyn on 09/08/2004 15:01:21 I'm filling in the form with an imaginary corp atm, and I don't really like the questions... I'm asked to select one option when both could apply, I'm asked to select one option when none could apply, I'm asked to grade stuff that don't seem eve related at all and so on... Maybe it's just me - it it's not close enough to thisisdefinitelyit, I don't like the options, and I'm at the same time the kinda guy that can agree on both parties in an argument.
Scorpyn	Posted - 2004.08.09 14:57:00 - [46] Edited by: Scorpyn on 09/08/2004 15:01:21 I'm filling in the form with an imaginary corp atm, and I don't really like the questions... I'm asked to select one option when both could apply, I'm asked to select one option when none could apply, I'm asked to grade stuff that don't seem eve related at all and so on... Maybe it's just me - it it's not close enough to thisisdefinitelyit, I don't like the options, and I'm at the same time the kinda guy that can agree on both parties in an argument.
Celticjim	Posted - 2004.08.09 19:19:00 - [47] If this is the Illia of old I remember, good job. And if not, good job as well. :) Although it appears I recognize this survey from one of those 4 quadrant score card thingies? I will try to send OF and SBD to do some more surveys for you although it may skew the results. CJ
Celticjim	Posted - 2004.08.09 19:19:00 - [48] If this is the Illia of old I remember, good job. And if not, good job as well. :) Although it appears I recognize this survey from one of those 4 quadrant score card thingies? I will try to send OF and SBD to do some more surveys for you although it may skew the results. CJ
FAsA	Posted - 2004.08.09 22:58:00 - [49] That was fun but a bit hard. Now give me the isk so I can buy loads of frigs.
FAsA	Posted - 2004.08.09 22:58:00 - [50] That was fun but a bit hard. Now give me the isk so I can buy loads of frigs.
Illia Pol	Posted - 2004.08.10 00:06:00 - [51] Originally by: Scorpyn Maybe it's just me - it it's not close enough to thisisdefinitelyit, I don't like the options, and I'm at the same time the kinda guy that can agree on both parties in an argument. Perhaps I've gone about this wrong. The hope is to mirror a real life employee satisfaction study and derive overall attribute association w/corporations and measure attribute importance. For example, some of the benefits questions go something like this: IÆm satisfied w/the eq provided IÆm satisfied w/the dividend Your corp might not offer equipment or a dividend so these are silly. However, a corporate dividend might be very appealing to you so youÆd rate that high on importance and leave the agreement blank. That way, weÆll be able to figure out that this is something that isnÆt offered but is of significant benefit. --
Illia Pol	Posted - 2004.08.10 00:06:00 - [52] Originally by: Scorpyn Maybe it's just me - it it's not close enough to thisisdefinitelyit, I don't like the options, and I'm at the same time the kinda guy that can agree on both parties in an argument. Perhaps I've gone about this wrong. The hope is to mirror a real life employee satisfaction study and derive overall attribute association w/corporations and measure attribute importance. For example, some of the benefits questions go something like this: IÆm satisfied w/the eq provided IÆm satisfied w/the dividend Your corp might not offer equipment or a dividend so these are silly. However, a corporate dividend might be very appealing to you so youÆd rate that high on importance and leave the agreement blank. That way, weÆll be able to figure out that this is something that isnÆt offered but is of significant benefit. --
Illia Pol	Posted - 2004.08.10 00:11:00 - [53] Originally by: Celticjim If this is the Illia of old I remember, good job. Yep, still little old me training crap to level 5 and looking for ways to fill my time between agent missions. :P Thanks for taking the survey. Also, a disproportionately high response rate from several corporations shouldn't skew results unless those corporations were unusual in their focus like newbie training or whatever. Even then, player types will be analyzed separately, so we'll be able to identify drivers among segments as opposed to just everyone lumped into one universal bucket. --
Illia Pol	Posted - 2004.08.10 00:11:00 - [54] Originally by: Celticjim If this is the Illia of old I remember, good job. Yep, still little old me training crap to level 5 and looking for ways to fill my time between agent missions. :P Thanks for taking the survey. Also, a disproportionately high response rate from several corporations shouldn't skew results unless those corporations were unusual in their focus like newbie training or whatever. Even then, player types will be analyzed separately, so we'll be able to identify drivers among segments as opposed to just everyone lumped into one universal bucket. --
Illia Pol	Posted - 2004.08.11 01:59:00 - [55] bump
Illia Pol	Posted - 2004.08.11 01:59:00 - [56] bump
Illia Pol	Posted - 2004.08.13 13:47:00 - [57] I'll be closing this survey on the 15th. --
Illia Pol	Posted - 2004.08.13 13:47:00 - [58] I'll be closing this survey on the 15th. --
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2004.08.13 14:01:00 - [59] Well I found this to be fun even if it is difficult to answer many of the questions. Two quick questions: Would it be ok if EG did a quick article on your survey? (To get more particpants) And would you like me to do it or would you prefer to type up a small something for yourself? Eve Guardian - Former Reporter
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2004.08.13 14:01:00 - [60] Well I found this to be fun even if it is difficult to answer many of the questions. Two quick questions: Would it be ok if EG did a quick article on your survey? (To get more particpants) And would you like me to do it or would you prefer to type up a small something for yourself? Eve Guardian - Former Reporter
Illia Pol	Posted - 2004.08.13 14:30:00 - [61] Originally by: Shar Tegral Two quick questions: Would it be ok if EG did a quick article on your survey? (To get more particpants) And would you like me to do it or would you prefer to type up a small something for yourself? Woowoo! An article on EG! Very exciting. I'll write something up and pop it over to you in a few hours. Thanky! --
Illia Pol	Posted - 2004.08.13 14:30:00 - [62] Originally by: Shar Tegral Two quick questions: Would it be ok if EG did a quick article on your survey? (To get more particpants) And would you like me to do it or would you prefer to type up a small something for yourself? Woowoo! An article on EG! Very exciting. I'll write something up and pop it over to you in a few hours. Thanky! --
Estios	Posted - 2004.08.13 15:33:00 - [63] If anyone manages to complete the whole thing they deserve 10mil isk . It kept mentioning Salary ......what does this mean ? Am I missing something in my corp ? So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
Estios	Posted - 2004.08.13 15:33:00 - [64] If anyone manages to complete the whole thing they deserve 10mil isk . It kept mentioning Salary ......what does this mean ? Am I missing something in my corp ? So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
Vex Seraphim	Posted - 2004.08.13 15:51:00 - [65] just finished it, i love those things! ------------------- :: finite horizon :: killboard :: :: bio :: blog ::
Vex Seraphim	Posted - 2004.08.13 15:51:00 - [66] just finished it, i love those things! ------------------- :: finite horizon :: killboard :: :: bio :: blog ::
Illia Pol	Posted - 2004.08.13 19:55:00 - [67] Originally by: Estios It kept mentioning Salary ......what does this mean ? Am I missing something in my corp ? Answering that question is kinda the point of the survey. --
Illia Pol	Posted - 2004.08.13 19:55:00 - [68] Originally by: Estios It kept mentioning Salary ......what does this mean ? Am I missing something in my corp ? Answering that question is kinda the point of the survey. --
Don ZOLA	Posted - 2004.08.14 16:33:00 - [69] Originally by: nad211 Edited by: nad211 on 08/08/2004 20:36:41 I also think you should redo your questions. One of the last questions: How long have you worked for <your corp> Possible answer: more than FIVE (!!!) years. EVE is not THAT old! ^_^ my corp is even older then that, we have been active in other games before eve , so i choosed that answer :) There are 2 rules in a successful life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know
Don ZOLA	Posted - 2004.08.14 16:33:00 - [70] Originally by: nad211 Edited by: nad211 on 08/08/2004 20:36:41 I also think you should redo your questions. One of the last questions: How long have you worked for <your corp> Possible answer: more than FIVE (!!!) years. EVE is not THAT old! ^_^ my corp is even older then that, we have been active in other games before eve , so i choosed that answer :) There are 2 rules in a successful life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know
Celticjim	Posted - 2004.08.14 21:02:00 - [71] Illia...got a few questions from the some of the corp mates, how long until after the poll is closed to publishing results? CJ
Celticjim	Posted - 2004.08.14 21:02:00 - [72] Illia...got a few questions from the some of the corp mates, how long until after the poll is closed to publishing results? CJ
Illia Pol	Posted - 2004.08.14 21:17:00 - [73] Originally by: Celticjim Illia...got a few questions from the some of the corp mates, how long until after the poll is closed to publishing results? Just a few days depending on my work schedule. I've already started looking at the data, so it shouldn't take me too long to redo w/final data. :) --
Illia Pol	Posted - 2004.08.14 21:17:00 - [74] Originally by: Celticjim Illia...got a few questions from the some of the corp mates, how long until after the poll is closed to publishing results? Just a few days depending on my work schedule. I've already started looking at the data, so it shouldn't take me too long to redo w/final data. :) --
Illia Pol	Posted - 2004.08.15 14:44:00 - [75] Just a reminder, last day to take the survey and enroll in the 10MM isk drawing! --
Illia Pol	Posted - 2004.08.15 14:44:00 - [76] Just a reminder, last day to take the survey and enroll in the 10MM isk drawing! --
Lao Tzu	Posted - 2004.08.15 15:08:00 - [77] Quote: 11. What is the point of a new system? That is such a silly question.
Lao Tzu	Posted - 2004.08.15 15:08:00 - [78] Quote: 11. What is the point of a new system? That is such a silly question.
FileCop AI	Posted - 2004.08.15 18:50:00 - [79] This is too much taken from real life to fit into EVE corps. FileCop AI of MASS Co-CEO
FileCop AI	Posted - 2004.08.15 18:50:00 - [80] This is too much taken from real life to fit into EVE corps. FileCop AI of MASS Co-CEO
hellwarrior	Posted - 2004.08.15 20:30:00 - [81] wow, umm that doesn't really apply, i think on page 3 after the # of ppl in your corp i stopped. dno the exact question, but it was err wierd
hellwarrior	Posted - 2004.08.15 20:30:00 - [82] wow, umm that doesn't really apply, i think on page 3 after the # of ppl in your corp i stopped. dno the exact question, but it was err wierd
Illia Pol	Posted - 2004.08.16 13:56:00 - [83] Thanks to everyone who participated. I'll be pulling the winner this morning. Also, the survey will remain open for another few weeks just incase some is board enough to particpate. :) --
Illia Pol	Posted - 2004.08.16 13:56:00 - [84] Thanks to everyone who participated. I'll be pulling the winner this morning. Also, the survey will remain open for another few weeks just incase some is board enough to particpate. :) --
Marcus Aurelius	Posted - 2004.08.16 14:09:00 - [85] Ah yes, please draw me.
Marcus Aurelius	Posted - 2004.08.16 14:09:00 - [86] Ah yes, please draw me.

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