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FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks 1365	Posted - 2012.04.24 19:46:00 - [1] - Quote I hear there's good money to be made in wormholes. Just be careful. They say people can actually shoot at you out there. (edit: the isk nerf is the first part of an across-the-board bounty nerf. The blitz nerf is to renorm payouts and discourage the vanguard farming that has gone on for so long. They're two fixes for two different issues.) It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you.
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks 1370	Posted - 2012.04.25 06:37:00 - [2] - Quote Were I of an incursion-running mind, I'd invest the time and energy into figuring out the best way to capitalize on this sudden drop in interest in incursions. There's probably a lot of profit to be had for an innovative group. The reaction seen here is exactly why The Skunkworks took such glee in griefing incursions. When CCP yanked the rug out from under us (over and over and over again) we adapted and made the best of it. We found new ways to commit acts of piracy in high sec. Here we are, barely a day into this, and the entire "community" is throwing its hands up and saying "well, that's that, incursions are dead!" I'm not normally one to look down on others, but frankly this defeatism is appalling. For those of you who will get out there and figure out ways to restore your income level, I beg of you: don't share it with those who won't put in the effort themselves. Enjoy the contest-free incursions and reap great rewards for your effort and creativity. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you.
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks 1373	Posted - 2012.04.25 13:26:00 - [3] - Quote Slightly Degotoga wrote: Who the hell is skunkworks? Ahh, a goon alt. Hi there :) It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you.
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks 1373	Posted - 2012.04.25 13:27:00 - [4] - Quote Keith Planck wrote: they just do it with the grace of a drunk Irishman Have you ever seen a drunk Irishman? Don't they look like they're have a LOT of fun? It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you.
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks 1373	Posted - 2012.04.25 13:28:00 - [5] - Quote Keith Planck wrote: is this what skunksworks has been reduced to? babysitting the forums looking for places they can talk themselves up :/ you guys need to get back in the game and start griefing people again I'm SKNK's unofficial self-appointed and often disavowed Minister of Forum Propaganda. Anyone who doesn't realize this by now hasn't been paying attention for the past six months. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you.
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks 1374	Posted - 2012.04.25 13:44:00 - [6] - Quote Katy Ling wrote: * when ccp applied the nerfings, they neglected to take in account how often people spend waiting to form a proper fleet with the necessary logistics and dps / ships to run a vanguard site Get yourself an incursion corp or at least a group you can depend on running sites with. Schedule certain days and have a flexible-enough group that you can proceed with 1 or 2 members not available. Pick-up fleets SHOULD eat into your income versus having an organized and prepared group. Katy Ling wrote: if you keep it up in this direction don't get surprised about players reactions. right now, people are already talking about unsubscribing extra accounts and buying less plexes because it's no longer necessary. TBH, if they're plexing their accounts now losing them won't hurt CCP at all. PLEX prices could drop 20% and I don't think they'd see a decline in sales of PLEX at all. Possibly even an increase as it would take 5 PLEX to hit 2 billion instead of 4. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you.
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks 1374	Posted - 2012.04.25 13:44:00 - [7] - Quote Hawk GB wrote: occasionally lose said expensive ships and fits. ...HOW? It took me almost a year to lose my first T2-fit w-space Legion, and that was to someone finally catching me not paying attention literally 30 seconds before I was finished with the hole I was running. If you're losing Incursion ships at a rate higher than I lose ships in w-space, you or your fleetmates are doing it wrong. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you.
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks 1374	Posted - 2012.04.25 14:18:00 - [8] - Quote xVx dreadnaught wrote: See, it's harder to find people in wormholes to kill... Incursions it's very easy for a griefer to find a target. They just need to join a fleet, get aggro (can flip or something like that) And their buddies come in and nuke the logi's With the logi's down the NPC's will kill everyone in the pocket... and the griefers have logis to keep them alive. Logi aggro hasn't worked in months. It was patched in November, then we discovered a rather obscure flaw in a crucible update around the end of January that was patched a week later. Anyone who gets aggro from logi after all the patching CCP did to stop us deserves it, because they've ignored very specific warnings. That is, unless CCP broke it AGAIN, in which case I'll come see in person just how "dead" incursions are. The only ways I know of to grief incursions today: - Suicide jamming the logi, which (I think) Lead Farmers executed quite well for a short time before they went on to other things. - Logi abandonment, where the logi pilots don't rep or don't warp into the site with the rest of the fleet. This one I can claim as my own, I was one of the first to propose it. The problem is it has limited use as once a logi pilot is identified they have an extremely hard time getting fleets. xVx dreadnaught wrote: DO I REALLY NEED TO EXPLAIN GRIEFING TO A SKUNK? Sometimes I just like to hear it It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you.
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks 1380	Posted - 2012.04.25 17:09:00 - [9] - Quote xVx dreadnaught wrote: That's strange because I got aggro when scooping up a can from one of the alts of the group the other day, the alt had DC'd but the can was still sitting there. It bounced around the logis for ages till eventually we took a break. Wardec aggro comes up the specific message but as far as I understand looted containers doesn't Unless CCP broke it again, loot aggro now breaks logi cycles just like GCC and triggers a warning just like war aggro. Odds are your logi pilots just clicked "yes" to the warning because they trusted you to not abuse the aggro. I'll have to fire up some highsec alts and see if something has changed from the last time we tested out aggro mechanics. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you.
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks 1386	Posted - 2012.04.26 13:31:00 - [10] - Quote Tyberius Franklin wrote: To those advocating the removal of concord from incursion systems: Do you honestly think that people will still do them? I'm seriously asking. To me it seems pants on head ******** to go to a series of (effectively) lowsec systems with such easy access to highsec and almost guaranteed to be camped to hell. Anyone with half a brain who still had any interest in them would probably be better off doing the incursions in normal lowsec than trying to PvE in the gankfest those locations would become. This is of course ignoring the technical difficulty which could be involved in making sec status and penalties dynamic in the first place. Add to that the implications on highsec route plotting/auto piloting. The concept seems simple but I'd be willing to bet the implementation is anything but. Sigh. Okay, here's how you solve the "problem" of the incursion constellation going lowsec: Stage up in a neighboring highsec. Come through the gate with your incursion fleet put together so that any gate camp will have to fight an organized high-DPS fleet with logi support. If you bring 2-3 VG fleets through at the same time we're talking a 30-ship fleet full of battleships and T3s with a half-dozen logis supporting them. With a marginally competent FC, they'd demolish almost anything they run across. This would be a lowsec pocket in the middle of highsec, not FW or borderland low. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you.
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks 1386	Posted - 2012.04.26 14:06:00 - [11] - Quote xVx dreadnaught wrote: Missions, belt rats, incursions, complex's, anoms, exploration, sleeper npc's, selling plex and mining... al of these activities creates isk out of thin air. No, mining does not create isk. It creates ore, which is sold on the market for existing isk. No new isk is injected into the system by mining. Here are the isk faucets that I know about, in no particular order - Mission rewards - Incursion rewards - Bounties (from missions, ratting, exploration, and...do incursion rats have bounties? I never really paid attention to that detail. - NPC buy orders (sleeper loot, Overseer effects) Tech moons, ore, sleeper salvage, faction/officer mods...none of those contribute to inflation. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you.
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks 1386	Posted - 2012.04.26 14:17:00 - [12] - Quote Caellach Marellus wrote: Because they're only going to engage in gatecamps and not come flying into the actual incursion plexes with significantly more x your fleet's number and just roflstomp you. ...in a lowsec pocket, surrounded by highsec and full of incursioners. You think they're going to land 15+ ships in an OTA, stomp the incursion fleet, and gtfo without losing ships? And then they'll...what? Take their newly-trashed sec status and haul off to another incursion? You're not thinking this through. Wiping a full fleet in an incursion would drop your sec status HARD. The people looking to do this wouldn't have a lot of sec to spare in the first place and would quickly plummet into the realm of "free kill" while they are surrounded by high-DPS fleets. Incursion piracy would actually be incredibly hard in such situations. xVx dreadnaught wrote: I believe the idea of incursions were to bring people together to work as a group without needing to already be all blue'd out or alliance mates already. That it was to build a community feel and give people a sense of working together.... And that would all still be possible. Like I said, build your fleet in highsec, then enter the incursion. A little scouting/intel and you'll have more than enough to smash/chase off any would-be gatecamp. Gudda wrote: How about this? A incurtion in 0.0 The gang all warps to a tower in system with a jump bridge and WAM they are 10 jumps away from the fleet that you just spent the last 10 hours forming up so that you could gank these scurvy incurtion pilots in 0.0? How about it? Force projection in 0.0 is a completely different conversation and utterly irrelevant to what was being discussed. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you.
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks 1387	Posted - 2012.04.26 14:59:00 - [13] - Quote Kodavor wrote: How about you Mr. Floppie ? How about you go and actualy do them incursions now ? Get into a ship . Go into BTL Pub and get a fleet I'll just stop you there, because that's where you plan falls apart. I'm on every incursion blacklist there is It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you.
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks 1387	Posted - 2012.04.26 15:01:00 - [14] - Quote Gudda wrote: ore is not created? Dude how long have you been playing eve? You make no sense at all. Do you even know what game you are playing? What hapens wen a ship is blown up. Does the isk get moved to the guy that blew that ship up? You are trying to talk aloot of sense into us here good sir but you are not making any sense your self, Have you run incurtions? Have you been in low sec hi sec null sec wormhole space? Have you been a part of a big alliance and got sucked into the bloody politics? How old are you ? What I said: FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote: No, mining does not create isk. It creates ore. What you read: ???????? It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you.
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks 1387	Posted - 2012.04.26 15:12:00 - [15] - Quote Gudda wrote: Even if he wasent black listed. I Got a nightmare. I want to run incurtions. And for the last 2 days i have been on the channels posting my fits joining all the groups and yet NO FLEETS? why ? cause there are none. If you have a incurtion fleet up and running and need a high dps nightmare hit me up! ive been waiting for the last 4 hours for a fleet! I have a Nightmare, too. How I got it is why I'm blacklisted :D Butterflies born the day the patch came out haven't even died yet, and everyone is throwing up their hands and acting like it's just the end of incursions. That should tell you just how "fun" incursions really are, when people simply bail out of them as soon as the isk faucet gets turned down. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you.
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks 1411	Posted - 2012.04.26 21:50:00 - [16] - Quote Gudda wrote: well i am going to make it my goal to crack the code of incurtions . Drop the time down to 6 minutes per site. Put it up on youtube. And give all you haters the middle finger :D chao bello And I will applaud your tenacity and creativity. If you can put together a group that will put in the time to learn how to optimize the new system, you'll deserve every bit of isk you make. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you.
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks 1460	Posted - 2012.05.03 18:30:00 - [17] - Quote March rabbit wrote: Why CCP? Fleet members have all the things to reward fleet commanders. The same is for logistic ships. "Remember to tip your FC!" Actually, I kind of like that idea. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you.
FloppieTheBanjoClown The Skunkworks 1460	Posted - 2012.05.03 18:54:00 - [18] - Quote xVx dreadnaught wrote: I lost a multi-billion isk fit Paladin because a Logi held back on Reps. Are you saying that was risk free? That's the same risk as handing your ship to a stranger who promises "sure, I'll put T2 rigs on it!" Yes it's risky, it's also foolish and your own choice to trust someone you don't know is reliable. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you.

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