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Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc. Forged Dominion	Posted - 2009.02.21 17:33:00 - [31] Originally by: Barsexual The tip is part of the waiter/waitress wage. Most of them make less than $4 USD an hour. And many have to split that with the other people that worked that table like the bus person. Not our fault is it. It's yours.
Barsexual Castle Greyskull	Posted - 2009.02.21 17:37:00 - [32] Originally by: Xen Gin Originally by: Barsexual The tip is part of the waiter/waitress wage. Most of them make less than $4 USD an hour. And many have to split that with the other people that worked that table like the bus person. Not our fault is it. It's yours. I'm saying that I can already predict how much a table of people are going to tip before we even speak to them. How is that my fault that you guys refuse to leave a tip in a country where it's customary. When I go to Europe I try to make sure to understand and learn the locals to not be such a jerk. The English seem to ****ing care less. Go back home.
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc. Forged Dominion	Posted - 2009.02.21 17:40:00 - [33] Edited by: Xen Gin on 21/02/2009 17:40:41 Originally by: Barsexual Originally by: Xen Gin Originally by: Barsexual The tip is part of the waiter/waitress wage. Most of them make less than $4 USD an hour. And many have to split that with the other people that worked that table like the bus person. Not our fault is it. It's yours. I'm saying that I can already predict how much a table of people are going to tip before we even speak to them. How is that my fault that you guys refuse to leave a tip in a country where it's customary. When I go to Europe I try to make sure to understand and learn the locals to not be such a jerk. The English seem to ****ing care less. Go back home. And isn't it customary that that country gives great service? Oh wait...
Barsexual Castle Greyskull	Posted - 2009.02.21 17:41:00 - [34] Oh that's right the British are the world's worst tourists. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/2137729.stm
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.21 17:44:00 - [35] Edited by: Shanzem on 21/02/2009 17:44:56 Originally by: Barsexual Oh that's right the British are the world's worst tourists. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/2137729.stm You have no idea how bad the British are! Try living with them "They are the rudest, meanest, worst-behaved, most linguistically incompetent and least adventurous holidaymakers" "But the Germans are generally welcomed and topped the poll of tourist offices in 17 countries worldwide. " Go go Germany!!! -------------------------------------------
Candiegirl	Posted - 2009.02.21 17:57:00 - [36] Yes, local customs are part of the problem. But to me the biggest part of the problem is what someone views as good service. Until you've worked in the service industry whether it be in food, sales, or whatever, you really have no idea the kind of crap that they have to deal with day in and day out from people. So, good customer service is all relative. What one person percieved as excellent service the next thought was simply mediocre (sure it's spelled wrong). So, until you've walked a mile in that person's shoes you really shouldn't judge them on how good their service is. Maybe your expectations are just too high. We're all entitled to good and bad days. Just remember, the nicer you are to your waiter/ waitress whatever the case may be, the better service you're gonna get. Why would they want to go above and beyond for you when you're treating them horrible right off the bat. I've worked in the food industry to help get through college. It's not fun! But, it paid the bills and at least I was working and contributing member to society. It doesn't make me any less of a human being. And whatever happened to do unto others as you'd have done unto you? So, I'm just saying, step back and put yourself in their shoes for a bit.
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2009.02.21 18:05:00 - [37] Originally by: Xen Gin Edited by: Xen Gin on 21/02/2009 17:40:41 Originally by: Barsexual Originally by: Xen Gin Originally by: Barsexual The tip is part of the waiter/waitress wage. Most of them make less than $4 USD an hour. And many have to split that with the other people that worked that table like the bus person. Not our fault is it. It's yours. I'm saying that I can already predict how much a table of people are going to tip before we even speak to them. How is that my fault that you guys refuse to leave a tip in a country where it's customary. When I go to Europe I try to make sure to understand and learn the locals to not be such a jerk. The English seem to **ing care less. Go back home. And isn't it customary that that country gives great service? Oh wait... Tell you what, you dont like the customs of a particular nation, dont visit it. Problem solved for everyone. If you cant spend five minutes to check the local customs of a nation, any nation**, on the net and cant be willing to obsurve them, spend money when you have already spent alot to visit said nation in the first place then stay in your nation, in your pub, drinking your beer, eating your local dishes and enjoying your local customs because you sure as hell dont want to try another nations culture. The world will happyly go on without you. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Atomos Darksun Damage Incorporated.	Posted - 2009.02.21 18:09:00 - [38] How about you stop being a **? They're a human just like you, and you should respect them. Why do you want to be a * to them? Honestly? What have they done to you? Tried to bring you drinks, serve you food? Why not be nice to them, and then it's a lot nicer for them to be nice to you. *. If they're not being as nice to you as you think the should be, don't counter with being rude, just be nice to them. They're probably sterotyping you as a foreign bad tipper, but if you're nice to them, they might think that you'll actually pay them what they should get. Not that you will anyways, because obviously you're still a giant ing douchebag. If you don't want to accept local customs, don't travel. Period. Not everywhere in the world thinks the same way you do. I don't know why you're in your own thread *ing and moaning about this, because it's a FACT OF LIFE. GET OVER IT. Some people's kids... Originally by:** Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice... CONVERT TO LINKIFICATION! http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameb
Rawr Cristina Caldari Naqam Exalted.	Posted - 2009.02.21 18:23:00 - [39] Originally by: Barsexual Oh that's right the British are the world's worst tourists. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/2137729.stm The only brits people ever seem to notice are the loudmouthed chavs, boy-racers, football hooligans and the posh, snobby tuxedo-wearing businesspeople. Yes many brits could do some research on local customs and actually tip (Most don't because they just arn't aware of it) but at the same time to give them terrible service just because you've figured from their accent that they're not likely to tip or to some prejudice (like what happened to the OP by the sounds of things) and making them feel as unwelcome as possible dosen't exactly help relations either. Every country has it's idiots. - Infectious -
Stitcher Caldari ForgeTech Industries	Posted - 2009.02.21 18:24:00 - [40] okay, from the British perspective, a tip is something you earn, not something that's automatic. The guys who deliver pizza in this country don't expect a tip, though I tend to give one anyway if they turn up fast and I'm doing okay financially. There's a logical flaw to the American attitude, as a brit sees it. You say "they don't get paid well, so tips are what they live off" We say "Then they should lobby for better pay, and treat the tips as a bonus". Of course, the customs are so firmly entrenched on both sides of the pond that neither side can really pursuade the other. From each of our perspectives, it's perfectly logical for the world to operate that way. So stop arguing that the custom's stupid, already. A custom is a custom, and a few sharp words on the internet aren't about to shift the perspectives of nations. - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.

Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.21 18:27:00 - [41] Originally by: Rawr Cristina Originally by: Barsexual Oh that's right the British are the world's worst tourists. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/2137729.stm The only brits people ever seem to notice are the loudmouthed chavs, boy-racers, football hooligans and the posh, snobby tuxedo-wearing businesspeople. Yes many brits could do some research on local customs and actually tip (Most don't because they just arn't aware of it) but at the same time to give them terrible service just because you've figured from their accent that they're not likely to tip or to some prejudice (like what happened to the OP by the sounds of things) and making them feel as unwelcome as possible dosen't exactly help relations either. Every country has it's idiots. Except we have the most dense population of idiots. Who still believe that there a world superpower and that they are a rich and beautiful country. Reality is far from that. -------------------------------------------
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.21 18:29:00 - [42] Originally by: Stitcher okay, from the British perspective, a tip is something you earn, not something that's automatic. The guys who deliver pizza in this country don't expect a tip, though I tend to give one anyway if they turn up fast and I'm doing okay financially. There's a logical flaw to the American attitude, as a brit sees it. You say "they don't get paid well, so tips are what they live off" We say "Then they should lobby for better pay, and treat the tips as a bonus". Of course, the customs are so firmly entrenched on both sides of the pond that neither side can really pursuade the other. From each of our perspectives, it's perfectly logical for the world to operate that way. So stop arguing that the custom's stupid, already. A custom is a custom, and a few sharp words on the internet aren't about to shift the perspectives of nations. Isn't the whole ****ing idea of going to another country to sample other CUSTOMS and CULTURE????? Not just to land on a land mass and say in a proud British idiot voice "IV BEN DAAR" -------------------------------------------
Le Poupon Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.02.21 18:34:00 - [43] Edited by: Le Poupon on 21/02/2009 18:36:22 Originally by: Shanzem Isn't the whole **ing idea of going to another country to sample other CUSTOMS and CULTURE????? Not just to land on a land mass and say in a proud British idiot voice "IV BEN DAAR" Isn't that what they do on the other side of the pond? Isn't that what they do on the other side of the pond? EDIT:replace been with bombed. -------sig------------------------------------ A high**er grade of posting Can anyone help me, I still don't know what systems i can buy an epic mount if i play undead.
Slade Trillgon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2009.02.21 18:35:00 - [44] This topic has come up before about bar tenders and tips. I did a little research and asked all the bar tenders I know, which is more then 30. Close to 100% of them new about the European customs of tipping and new what to expect and how to better ensure that a European would tip. I know fewer servers but I can also tell you that a majority of them did not know about European tipping customs. Here is what you do when you eat in a restaurant in the US. - 10-15% is acceptable if you were satisfied with the service - 20+% if the service is exceptional. - 0-10% depending on how bad/jaded the server was. Some things to take in consideration when going out in the US. - Table to server ratio. If you notice that a server is working more then 4 tables you should expect slower service and not tip down for that. Unless the server is a jaded a$$. - Time of day. - Cleanliness of the establishment. If the place is not up to par do not expect good service. Eat, tip what you think is acceptable, or not, then leave and do not return Outside of those. If you are a demanding a$$ and the server has had bad experiences with tourists in general, due not just expect bad service. Your best bet is to cut your losses, get, up and leave So in conclusion. If you do not get the concept or refuse to understand how salaries and tips work in the service industry in the US, then you should either expect bad service or just not use it. Oh yes for a little comic cultural education, for better or worse, check out the movie Waiting. This is a pretty good look at what you are speaking of. P.S. If you are unwilling to pay a tip for whatever **ty a$$ reason when in the states when you know the situation, then do not tip. You just better be nice and do not ever return to the same place twice. Slade Originally by:** Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! =v=
Stitcher Caldari ForgeTech Industries	Posted - 2009.02.21 18:36:00 - [45] Originally by: Shanzem Except we have the most dense population of idiots. Who still believe that there a world superpower and that they are a rich and beautiful country. Reality is far from that. Let's see... "Superpower" might be pushing it, but the UK definitely punches far above its weight politically. Rich? Usually. Not right at the moment, though. Beautiful? Ab-so-lute-ly. - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
SamuraiJack Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2009.02.21 18:43:00 - [46] Shan. Skype your other half or i will be forced to send more arse pics! Oh and as for the thread... I thought it was just the norm to shout louder if you werent understood? :P =-
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.21 18:44:00 - [47] Originally by: Stitcher Originally by: Shanzem Except we have the most dense population of idiots. Who still believe that there a world superpower and that they are a rich and beautiful country. Reality is far from that. Let's see... "Superpower" might be pushing it, but the UK definitely punches far above its weight politically. Rich? Usually. Not right at the moment, though. Beautiful? Ab-so-lute-ly. oh god are you from Mansfield. Please do not tell me you used this to display something beautiful I would love to sit down and see if she can hold an adult conversation. A German transsexual is better looking then she is! -------------------------------------------
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.21 18:46:00 - [48] Originally by: SamuraiJack Shan. Skype your other half or i will be forced to send more arse pics! Oh and as for the thread... I thought it was just the norm to shout louder if you werent understood? :P Hay hay SJ And I am already in talks with CG. And I really do not wish to see your arse SJ. -------------------------------------------
Candiegirl	Posted - 2009.02.21 18:49:00 - [49] Um.... Don't know who you're in talks with Shanzem, but it's not me!!!! Skype, eve, or msn, please
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.02.21 18:51:00 - [50] Originally by: Barsexual Originally by: Xen Gin Originally by: Barsexual The tip is part of the waiter/waitress wage. Most of them make less than $4 USD an hour. And many have to split that with the other people that worked that table like the bus person. Not our fault is it. It's yours. I'm saying that I can already predict how much a table of people are going to tip before we even speak to them. How is that my fault that you guys refuse to leave a tip in a country where it's customary. When I go to Europe I try to make sure to understand and learn the locals to not be such a jerk. The English seem to ****ing care less. Go back home. Please try and respect our culture of ignoring the local's preferences and then adding them to an empire. We're trying to change but it's a slow process.

Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.21 18:54:00 - [51] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Barsexual Originally by: Xen Gin Originally by: Barsexual The tip is part of the waiter/waitress wage. Most of them make less than $4 USD an hour. And many have to split that with the other people that worked that table like the bus person. Not our fault is it. It's yours. I'm saying that I can already predict how much a table of people are going to tip before we even speak to them. How is that my fault that you guys refuse to leave a tip in a country where it's customary. When I go to Europe I try to make sure to understand and learn the locals to not be such a jerk. The English seem to ****ing care less. Go back home. Please try and respect our culture of ignoring the local's preferences and then adding them to an empire. We're trying to change but it's a slow process. Ignorance from filthy disgusting useless English. -------------------------------------------
Stitcher Caldari ForgeTech Industries	Posted - 2009.02.21 19:01:00 - [52] Originally by: Shanzem oh god are you from Mansfield. Please do not tell me you used this to display something beautiful Guess you're from Hull then. No sense of humour. Not a desirable trait in a Goon. Unless you be trollin. - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.21 19:09:00 - [53] Edited by: Shanzem on 21/02/2009 19:11:23 Edited by: Shanzem on 21/02/2009 19:10:24 Originally by: Stitcher Originally by: Shanzem oh god are you from Mansfield. Please do not tell me you used this to display something beautiful Guess you're from Hull then. No sense of humour. Not a desirable trait in a Goon. Unless you be trollin. I am from sutton Next door to Mansfield its a 20min walk. God maybe you should visit the town she grew up in -------------------------------------------
Kirex Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2009.02.21 19:34:00 - [54] ITT: Brits telling us we should be sophisticated like them
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2009.02.21 19:39:00 - [55] Very easy solution to this problem. As Jeremy Clarkson once said; "DON'T go to America". I like that solution very much. Self-proclaimed idiot
Jago Kain Amarr Pan Galactic Traders	Posted - 2009.02.21 19:45:00 - [56] Originally by: Stitcher Originally by: Shanzem Except we have the most dense population of idiots. Who still believe that there a world superpower and that they are a rich and beautiful country. Reality is far from that. Let's see... "Superpower" might be pushing it, but the UK definitely punches far above its weight politically. Rich? Usually. Not right at the moment, though. Beautiful? As-bo-lute-ley. Fixed that for you. ___________________________________________________ The game will never be over, because we're keeping the meme alive.
Captain Hudson Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy SCUM.	Posted - 2009.02.21 20:03:00 - [57] Originally by: Barsexual Oh that's right the British are the world's worst tourists. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/2137729.stm well ofcourse, we are far better than you savages and shall treat your country how we so wish! Iv found him
Le Poupon Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.02.21 20:40:00 - [58] The British royal family isn't really British. Britain's favorite food isn't really British. So culturewise.....meh The people arn't that bad though. Generally if you approach someone with the impression they are s**thats how they will behave to you. -------sig------------------------------------ A high**er grade of posting Can anyone help me, I still don't know what systems i can buy an epic mount if i play undead.
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.21 21:00:00 - [59] Originally by: Le Poupon The British royal family isn't really British. Britain's favorite food isn't really British. So culturewise.....meh The people arn't that bad though. Generally if you approach someone with the impression they are s****thats how they will behave to you. Ahh well I really did not approach these people in such fashion but I was met with it. I have said before I am not very English I am more German. -------------------------------------------
Thorliaron Brutor tribe	Posted - 2009.02.21 21:02:00 - [60] Originally by: Le Poupon The British royal family isn't really British. Britain's favorite food isn't really British. So culturewise.....meh The people arn't that bad though. Generally if you approach someone with the impression they are s****thats how they will behave to you. Americans are not really american.



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