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Eye WorshipSatan	Posted - 2009.02.21 04:48:00 - [1] Every time I visit the states (I'm English) the service at any restaurant or bar is atrocious and despicable. Do they hate English people or is the service always like this? And why the expected tipping on already overpriced drinks and food?
Einar Lightfingers Army 0f Two	Posted - 2009.02.21 04:55:00 - [2] Edited by: Einar Lightfingers on 21/02/2009 04:56:02 Can't answer on the service. Depends on the area, and restaurant. But in regards to the tipping, this is why: here in Texas, server wage is $2.15 an hour. Most, if not all, of that goes to taxes. So, servers live on tips. That's why. It's generally the same deal through-out the rest of the states, although the wage varies. _______________________ Once a BEE, always a BEE!
Stab Wounds Caldari State Protectorate	Posted - 2009.02.21 05:02:00 - [3] You should try tipping you cheap brit. British people are terrible tippers so expect terrible service.
Of Montreal Gallente CRICE Corporation	Posted - 2009.02.21 05:03:00 - [4] Originally by: Eye WorshipSatan Every time I visit the states (I'm English) the service at any restaurant or bar is atrocious and despicable. Do they hate English people or is the service always like this? And why the expected tipping on already overpriced drinks and food? THey prolly hate the English for not tipping. Thats how they make their money ya'know. Some states the minimum wage for wait staff is under $3 an hour so they live off the tips.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.02.21 05:17:00 - [5] Tips for Europeans visiting the USA Tipping habits in the USA _ Create a character \|\| Fit a ship \|\| Get some ISK
Spaztick Canadian Imperial Armaments Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2009.02.21 06:34:00 - [6] It's because you have a funny accent and smell funny. On another topic, I finally removed that annoying sentence in my signature.
Le Poupon Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.02.21 07:28:00 - [7] Edited by: Le Poupon on 21/02/2009 07:28:10 You see this? This is the world smallest violin playing just for the waitresses. -------sig------------------------------------ A higher grade of posting Can anyone help me, I still don't know what systems i can buy an epic mount if i play undead.
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2009.02.21 07:28:00 - [8] Originally by: Eye WorshipSatan Every time I visit the states (I'm English) the service at any restaurant or bar is atrocious and despicable. Do they hate English people or is the service always like this? And why the expected tipping on already overpriced drinks and food? 1. Go to a better resturaunt 2. Learn the local customs 3. ??? 4. Profit! Linkage -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.02.21 07:43:00 - [9] had a good bartender the other night, the waitress not so much. the wait staff can get annoying always showing up (now when they are bring more drinks that is fine). or just almost never showing up.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.02.21 07:43:00 - [10] Originally by: Jacob Mei Originally by: Eye WorshipSatan Every time I visit the states (I'm English) the service at any restaurant or bar is atrocious and despicable. Do they hate English people or is the service always like this? And why the expected tipping on already overpriced drinks and food? 1. Go to a better resturaunt 2. Learn the local customs 3. ??? 4. Profit! Linkage and yes, there are a lot of ****ty restaurants.

Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Dara Cothrom	Posted - 2009.02.21 08:06:00 - [11] Originally by: Stab Wounds You should try tipping you cheap brit. British people are terrible tippers so expect terrible service. Tipping customs are different is all. Here, tipping the barman every time he gives you a drink would be pretty crass. Like showing off.
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2009.02.21 10:04:00 - [12] Why should I have to pay extra because their boss decided they'd pay them atrocious wages... and the workers agreed with it? Self-proclaimed idiot
Le Poupon Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.02.21 10:50:00 - [13] Edited by: Le Poupon on 21/02/2009 10:50:31 Originally by: Tzar'rim Why should I have to pay extra because their boss decided they'd pay them atrocious wages... and the workers agreed with it? QFT -------sig------------------------------------ A higher grade of posting Can anyone help me, I still don't know what systems i can buy an epic mount if i play undead.
Kyguard Knockaround Guys Inc.	Posted - 2009.02.21 10:50:00 - [14] Originally by: Tzar'rim Why should I have to pay extra because their boss decided they'd pay them atrocious wages... and the workers agreed with it? Why hello there cheap bastard If you don't tip, you get bad service, it's as simple as that. I don't go to a country and expect to act out of order and get away with it. Next time you visit north america, take a pamphlet from the airport and read it so you're prepared on how to behave to be treated well by the locals -
Le Poupon Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.02.21 10:58:00 - [15] Originally by: Kyguard Originally by: Tzar'rim Why should I have to pay extra because their boss decided they'd pay them atrocious wages... and the workers agreed with it? Why hello there cheap bastard If you don't tip, you get bad service, it's as simple as that. I don't go to a country and expect to act out of order and get away with it. Next time you visit north america, take a pamphlet from the airport and read it so you're prepared on how to behave to be treated well by the locals Just like many of the american tourists did in Iraq -------sig------------------------------------ A higher grade of posting Can anyone help me, I still don't know what systems i can buy an epic mount if i play undead.
Jorev Dannel Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2009.02.21 11:43:00 - [16] Quote: If you don't tip, you get bad service, it's as simple as that. Hold on a minute, you have to tip them before they provide the service? Isn't that really more of a payment? ---------------------------------------- All dressed in uniforms so fine, They drank and killed to pass the time Wearing the shame of all their crimes With measured steps they walked in line
Stitcher Caldari ForgeTech Industries	Posted - 2009.02.21 12:02:00 - [17] I like how the immediate response is "oh, you didn't tip". Sometimes, you DO just get awful service. I've been visiting the states every other year for pretty much my whole life, I know what the culture's like over there. For the most part, I've always had good customer service. Sometimes, though, you don't. Maybe the server's having a bad day, maybe you just got the grouch on staff. One thing I noticed though, is that my accent helps. I've gotten some fantastic service over the years just from the way I speak. not to mention a fair bit of flirting. - Verin "Stitcher" Hakatain.
Cedric Diggory Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps	Posted - 2009.02.21 12:30:00 - [18] As a Scotsman who's visited the states several times (and we have a global reputation for being tight fisted), the only time I've ever experienced bad waiting service was at a diner somewhere near Flagstaff at 7 in the morning. I can excuse that waitress because, well, it was 7 in the **ing morning, and who can be happy to be working then? Otherwise my experiences of service in America far outweigh anything I've seen in the UK. So yes, in answer to your question there are two options: All Americans hate the English Your server thinks you're a *. --- Originally by:** 7shining7one7 a) there are no conspiracies whatsoever b) those who believe there are are nuts
Tzar'rim	Posted - 2009.02.21 12:32:00 - [19] Edited by: Tzar''rim on 21/02/2009 12:33:35 Originally by: Kyguard Originally by: Tzar'rim Why should I have to pay extra because their boss decided they'd pay them atrocious wages... and the workers agreed with it? Why hello there cheap bastard If you don't tip, you get bad service, it's as simple as that. I don't go to a country and expect to act out of order and get away with it. Next time you visit north america, take a pamphlet from the airport and read it so you're prepared on how to behave to be treated well by the locals I state again; if the employer decides to pay lousy wages and the workers/people/country somehow agree to that then that's their problem. IF I tip (and I do) I do so because I got exceptional service, NOT because the employer is too greedy to pay his staff. If someone gets a wage that's just stupidly low, talk to the boss, not to the customer. -edit- Quote: I don't go to a country and expect to act out of order and get away with it. That's so ironic I'm not even going to adress it. Self-proclaimed idiot
DubanFP Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2009.02.21 13:32:00 - [20] Edited by: DubanFP on 21/02/2009 13:35:17 Originally by: Tzar'rim I state again; if the employer decides to pay lousy wages and the workers/people/country somehow agree to that then that's their problem. Can you say "NOT GETTING IT". Its not lousy wages because they aren't lousy as soon as tips come into the equation. It means that if they really do a truely terrible job they're out most of thier pay. I also agree with the statement that you don't go to a country without following the customs there or you look like a total asswhole, again its assumed. Is it really so hard to go into a place and put aside 15% beforehand knowing that its not included in the cost here? You are paying for it on either side of the atlantic, the only difference is here you can choose not to pay for it if they're lousy. Finally if you're getting bad service everywhere in a culture where waiters get most of thier income from tips did you ever stop and think "maybe its me?". If this post is anything to go by that's where I'd put my money. _______________ This is EVE. Here you have the right to settle any disagreements with lethal force.

Tzar'rim	Posted - 2009.02.21 13:52:00 - [21] If you can show me that going to a restaurant or anywhere else where you're 'supposed' to tip has 15-20% lower base prices than on this side of the big pond then you'd have a case. I'd rather tip for good service than not tip for bad service. Self-proclaimed idiot
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc. Forged Dominion	Posted - 2009.02.21 13:58:00 - [22] The thing is, us Brits will tip at the end and if its only been above and beyond the expected good service. If they want a tip, they should have to really earn it, not just expect it.
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction The Firm.	Posted - 2009.02.21 14:12:00 - [23] Edited by: Cmdr Sy on 21/02/2009 14:12:15 Originally by: Kyguard If you don't tip, you get bad service, it's as simple as that. In America, is it customary to tip before receiving the service? Because your logic is back to front. Service precedes the tip. So there is no need to tip after receiving bad service. Nor is there a reason to provide bad service expecting no tip, because that is exactly what happens. What is happening here is the staff are amateurs who have not yet worked out how to maximise their income.
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2009.02.21 16:52:00 - [24] Originally by: Xen Gin The thing is, us Brits will tip at the end and if its only been above and beyond the expected good service. If they want a tip, they should have to really earn it, not just expect it. In YOUR country its customary to tip for best of the best service. In OUR country its customary to tip regardless unless the waiter/waitress was a real ass. Do you see the diffrence the Y makes? What is perfectly acceptable in your country is not acceptable in our country and the sooner that concept is accepted the experience of a forigner visting another nation will be bettered. General ignorance of the customs of another nation when visiting them is what causes the local anamosity towards that particular tourist group. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Shanzem Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2009.02.21 16:55:00 - [25] Originally by: Jacob Mei Originally by: Xen Gin The thing is, us Brits will tip at the end and if its only been above and beyond the expected good service. If they want a tip, they should have to really earn it, not just expect it. In YOUR country its customary to tip for best of the best service. In OUR country its customary to tip regardless unless the waiter/waitress was a real ass. Do you see the diffrence the Y makes? What is perfectly acceptable in your country is not acceptable in our country and the sooner that concept is accepted the experience of a forigner visting another nation will be bettered. General ignorance of the customs of another nation when visiting them is what causes the local anamosity towards that particular tourist group. Jacob Mei, Please don't worry to much there only English, you have the correct point they are just been ignorant and xenophobic. -------------------------------------------
Candiegirl	Posted - 2009.02.21 17:20:00 - [26] Meh, in Chicago, there's a restaurant staffers are supposed to be rude. It's kind of the niche of that restaurant. It's actually kind of fun to go there just to see what they'll do. The ruder they are the bigger tip they're supposed to get. Oh, I suppose you've also probably never been to a Hooters either. The waitresses are paid to just look pretty and flirt with the customers. Why don't you try going to one of those next time. I'm sure you'll enjoy the scenery!!!
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc. Forged Dominion	Posted - 2009.02.21 17:28:00 - [27] Originally by: Shanzem Jacob Mei, Please don't worry to much there only English, you have the correct point they are just been ignorant and xenophobic. I'm not English, and don't ever presume me to be so. Originally by: Jacob Mei Originally by: Xen Gin The thing is, us Brits will tip at the end and if its only been above and beyond the expected good service. If they want a tip, they should have to really earn it, not just expect it. In YOUR country its customary to tip for best of the best service. In OUR country its customary to tip regardless unless the waiter/waitress was a real ass. Do you see the diffrence the Y makes? What is perfectly acceptable in your country is not acceptable in our country and the sooner that concept is accepted the experience of a forigner visting another nation will be bettered. General ignorance of the customs of another nation when visiting them is what causes the local anamosity towards that particular tourist group. And then you wonder why people give ** service if they still get tips anyway. Your** customs are backwards and illogical, but that's not anything different from what we've come to expect, is it?
Barsexual Castle Greyskull	Posted - 2009.02.21 17:29:00 - [28] I'm a waiter and when you come to our restaurant and we hear that English accent, we know you are either going to stiff us or tip very poorly no matter how well you are treated. Sorry but minorities and foreigners rarely tip well.
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc. Forged Dominion	Posted - 2009.02.21 17:31:00 - [29] Originally by: Barsexual I'm a waiter and when you come to our restaurant and we hear that English accent, we know you are either going to stiff us or tip very poorly no matter how well you are treated. Sorry but minorities and foreigners rarely tip well. Then like every other service sector you do your job with a smile.
Barsexual Castle Greyskull	Posted - 2009.02.21 17:32:00 - [30] Edited by: Barsexual on 21/02/2009 17:32:46 Originally by: Xen Gin Originally by: Shanzem Jacob Mei, Please don't worry to much there only English, you have the correct point they are just been ignorant and xenophobic. I'm not English, and don't ever presume me to be so. Originally by: Jacob Mei Originally by: Xen Gin The thing is, us Brits will tip at the end and if its only been above and beyond the expected good service. If they want a tip, they should have to really earn it, not just expect it. In YOUR country its customary to tip for best of the best service. In OUR country its customary to tip regardless unless the waiter/waitress was a real ass. Do you see the diffrence the Y makes? What is perfectly acceptable in your country is not acceptable in our country and the sooner that concept is accepted the experience of a forigner visting another nation will be bettered. General ignorance of the customs of another nation when visiting them is what causes the local anamosity towards that particular tourist group. And then you wonder why people give ** service if they still get tips anyway. Your** customs are backwards and illogical, but that's not anything different from what we've come to expect, is it? The tip is part of the waiter/waitress wage. Most of them make less than $4 USD an hour. And many have to split that with the other people that worked that table like the bus person. If a table of people dont' tip it literally comes out of my pocket so I can pay my co-workers.



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