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Tara Scott	Posted - 2009.02.21 11:46:00 - [1] Posting with Alt as i cant be asked with random evemails... Anyway here is my puzzle; I've been away from game on and off for a while now, and just came back now i have always made my money through production and trading, mainly production. Now i have reached that point where i have enough money to do pretty much what i want. Now the question is I have 14 unused T2 BPO's all but 3 or 4 are decent including a number of ship bpo's, what would you do with them, as I dont produce with them hardly at all. Would you sell them, keep them as assets or something else? On sale i work out i could get around 130bil based on two years profit, most bpos I have seen of smililar types of been going for around 2.5yrs to 3yrs profits. So what would you do, i'm asking partly to see what others think and i would be an interesting conversation.
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2009.02.21 11:56:00 - [2] Okay, I've experience on both sides of what I'm going to say: Have someone rent the bpo's from you. I currently rent, and rent out, t2 bpo's. I pay a royalty per unit on the BPO's that I'm renting. I decide everything else about the production and sales. Even if it means I decide to not run the bpo 24/7 to avoid over saturation. As to my rented bpo's, I reciprocate my arrangement. However I think it is best if I point out that my own dealings are more the exception to the rule. I doubt many people here, or anywhere, have such trustworthy tenants or trusting landlords (so to speak). My old mercenary(PVP) corp is recruiting again. Would you believe I'm giving them my signature block for free?
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2009.02.21 11:57:00 - [3] And no, I'm not in the least bit interested in getting an evemail from you. My old mercenary(PVP) corp is recruiting again. Would you believe I'm giving them my signature block for free?
Tara Scott	Posted - 2009.02.21 12:00:00 - [4] Hmmm like you say its a very risky things renting them out for a royalty. And i'm not a trusting person...
W3370Pi4 Caldari Lords Of Kaos	Posted - 2009.02.21 12:37:00 - [5] You can make an alt corp & lock the BPOs up people will still be able to use them if they have the rights . send me a mail of the bpos you got please _______ Join the "Legit Trading" Channel ?Monitored WTB?WTA?WTT?WTS?Contracts?Trade ADs?? Scam free channel?
Leowen Industrial Giants	Posted - 2009.02.21 12:55:00 - [6] Shar Tegral typical ego blah. Renting them = maintenance = effort. If you're going to put in effort you might as well build yourself. If you can't be bothered with effort then sell them. GL whatever.
Robacz Essence Trade Essence Enterprises	Posted - 2009.02.21 13:37:00 - [7] Originally by: Tara Scott Would you sell them, keep them as assets or something else? I would sell them to me.
Ricdic Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.21 14:35:00 - [8] Right click > Trash make sure to use fraps recording for epeen hilarity.
ishkabibble Aztec Industry	Posted - 2009.02.21 16:33:00 - [9] Ive said this a while ago when someone asked the same question.... Make an alt corp, lock them down in a hanger and rent them to someone. Take a royalty fee of 2%-5% of each bpo at maximum capacity per month or a flat fee. Using an alt corp gives you 7 hangers to lock each print down so you can rent out the 4 best as you say you have and option off the others as a package deal. Only thing you will have to do is sit back and collect isk. Always remember that it's never your fault when you lose.Gäó
Petyr Baelich Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2009.02.21 16:36:00 - [10] Originally by: Ricdic Right click > Trash make sure to use fraps recording for epeen hilarity. Please do this!
Brock Nelson Caldari Flux Technologies Inc	Posted - 2009.02.21 16:57:00 - [11] Hey Tara, I'd be interested in renting them from you for a reasonable fee Blueprint Store
achoura	Posted - 2009.02.21 17:04:00 - [12] Sell tbh, although if i remember correctly ebank had something to do with tii bpo rental a while back. *The EVE servers and their patches*
RaTTuS BIG Libertas Fidelitas	Posted - 2009.02.21 18:09:00 - [13] I may be interested in renting a few ... ships mainly evemail me with details and we maybe able to come up with something ... if nothing else I can research them for you this comes with the Usual BIG grantee -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve
cosmoray Cosmoray Construction	Posted - 2009.02.21 20:03:00 - [14] It kind of depends on what the BPO's are? If the BPO's are not super expensive (probably non ship ones), Cosmoray Construction may interested in leasing them/purchasing/swap for stock or some other mechanism that would satisfy you. Drop me a mail with what you have (me/pe listed) and I will make a proposal to you.
Jinx Barker Caldari GFB Scientific	Posted - 2009.02.21 20:37:00 - [15] Sell them, create auctions and sell them. That is if you do not produce anymore. ::::Click The Signature For the Blog::::
Lukriss Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.21 22:04:00 - [16] Make and sell copies perhaps? dunno how much work that'd be tho
Shiva Shakti Gallente Hi-Tech Industries	Posted - 2009.02.21 22:59:00 - [17] Worth selling the ones that you think are at/near a peak in their value and could be nerfed in the future. Hold onto the ones that have a good chance of increasing in value and then dump them if not gonna build with them. That way you don't have the worries of lending them out and the insecutity of getting them back. Alternatively you could join a corp that want to produce/hire them and take shares in that corp as part of the deal and thus get return through hire fees and/or dividends and that way you can keep an eye on them i.e. lock them down and keep enough shares in the corp to block unlock votes etc. This is what we have done with various BPO holders. Would be interested in receiving an eve mail of what you want to sell or rent, or a link to your auction site when it goes live, many thanks Visit EvE Galactic Stock Exchange and Real-time Eve Stock Exchange (in game or out, but trades in game)
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2009.02.21 23:05:00 - [18] Originally by: Lukriss Make and sell copies perhaps? dunno how much work that'd be tho IMHO this is a very good idea though finding copy slots may be a problem. However it would be easy enough to simply charge a rate based on what the invention costs would be. BPC's from a BPO is already ahead of the game so... PS: Dear Leowen, I wasn't showing off. I was just pointing out options often over looked or readily dismissed. Smooches! My old mercenary(PVP) corp is recruiting again. Would you believe I'm giving them my signature block for free?
Kazzac Elentria	Posted - 2009.02.22 00:20:00 - [19] Sell them now, since yes they are mostly at the peak of their value with ROI rates in the 3-4 year range for some BPOs. But if you want to hold onto them, you can work something out with you creating a holder corp and the renter building off them while they are locked down.
Admiral Tattejam	Posted - 2009.02.22 00:57:00 - [20] i would buy them contact me
SencneS Amarr Rebellion Against big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2009.02.22 08:24:00 - [21] Edited by: SencneS on 22/02/2009 08:24:49 Originally by: Lukriss Make and sell copies perhaps? dunno how much work that'd be tho I honestly don't know why T2 BPO holders don't do this anyway. I'm sure the OP is not the only one with Spare BPOs they just don't build off. If I had T2 BPOs I'd run copies even if it takes longer then to make it. Sell the BPCs and just kick the pants off all the inventors. One way to prevent people from making ISK off invention is to simply flood the market with max run +ME +PE BPCs and sell them for less then the cost of the Data cores. Do that for a month and see how quickly BPCs start dropping off contract. Amarr for Life
Martosh Toma Gallente Fraction Investment	Posted - 2009.02.22 09:28:00 - [22] Well I am selling a few of the bpo I am not using for production.But I admit these are only the bpo's of lesser value. Renting them out is something i have done in the past both trough making them availeble trough my corp as well as an outright loan (sadly the ebank backed verstion of stepstone has ended some time ago). For a few of these bpo's things changed so they became more valueble but t3 is coming and who knows howthat will affect the market. Seccond one of them has been marked to be looked at by ccp (smartbomb bpo) so speculation on what that may result in could just make my day.
Bad Bobby Ugly Toys Zzz	Posted - 2009.02.22 15:54:00 - [23] Originally by: Shar Tegral Originally by: Lukriss Make and sell copies perhaps? dunno how much work that'd be tho IMHO this is a very good idea though finding copy slots may be a problem. If you are unsure on what to do and want the freedom to keep your options open while still making a little isk, I would be happy to discuss making and selling copies for you. Drop me an evemail if you want to discuss options.
Tasko Pal Heron Corporation	Posted - 2009.02.22 17:45:00 - [24] Originally by: Petyr Baelich Originally by: Ricdic Right click > Trash make sure to use fraps recording for epeen hilarity. Please do this! I recommend "Burning Down the House" for background music.
Shar Tegral	Posted - 2009.02.22 21:29:00 - [25] Originally by: SencneS Do that for a month and see how quickly BPCs start dropping off contract. I wouldn't even both with open market contracts. Too much a pain in the ass. I'd simply put up a "for sale" thread on BPC's I'd be willing to make and have a deposit amount. People could then pre-order, deposit isk, and then be told when completion will take place. It is much easier to write a contract directly to someone then it is to make a bunch of contracts for the public, over and over again, that may or may not move. (If only contracts remembered last settings or data or some such - life would be much easier. Oh, while I'm wishing, add more available contract slots to corporate.) My old mercenary(PVP) corp is recruiting again. Would you believe I'm giving them my signature block for free?
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2009.02.23 06:00:00 - [26] Quote: I've been away from game on and off for a while now, and just came back now i have always made my money through production and trading, mainly production. Now i have reached that point where i have enough money to do pretty much what i want. well if you have that much isk pass the bpos on to someone else. preferably Chainsaw Plankton. and by that I mean, just keep producing from them, or just sell them for 3 years profit. keeping them as assets is mostly worthless.
Delezar Hellfire-Empire	Posted - 2009.02.24 07:26:00 - [27] If you have no interest producing them, I would probably sell them and get the stuff you want, if you don't want/need anything, I would certainly hold on to them and make either copies or rent them. In case you want to sell them, I might be interested in any small weapon bpos or any size hybrid weapon bpos.
Valeronx Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. I.C.C Industrial Drive Yards	Posted - 2009.02.24 07:46:00 - [28] Edited by: Valeronx on 24/02/2009 07:46:43 Sell them, sell them all. .
Delezar Hellfire-Empire	Posted - 2009.02.24 07:52:00 - [29] Oh and in case you haven't noticed, mentioning T2 BPOs brings out the vultures. :P
Frosty Nuggetz	Posted - 2009.02.24 11:59:00 - [30] Edited by: Frosty Nuggetz on 24/02/2009 12:03:21 Edited by: Frosty Nuggetz on 24/02/2009 12:01:42 Let's see... the "Top 10" answers are pretty much taken, soooooo.... So I'd have to agree with the aforementioned wisdom of TRASH them. They're worthless anyway, or soon will be, according to that other thread allegedly claiming prophetic "INTEL" from a drunked-up Dev... But if you do sell them, be a champ and send me a few billion ISK, okey-day? "Coming soon to a yar near you !!! "
Bad Bobby Ugly Toys Zzz	Posted - 2009.02.24 12:44:00 - [31] Edited by: Bad Bobby on 24/02/2009 12:45:01 Originally by: Delezar Oh and in case you haven't noticed, mentioning T2 BPOs brings out the vultures. :P Reporting for carrion duty! I would hope that my reputation was sufficient that it can be assumed that I would be looking to cut a deal that benefits both the owner of the BPO and my IPO funded R&D corps. While many of the other offers here are less than serious or just plain scams, I can assure you that I am both serious and capable. [EDIT] Perr speeling
Raiven Parker The Athiest Syndicate	Posted - 2009.03.09 09:29:00 - [32] plaeas sent my and evmail. I hsa got pricey forr u. No honestly. Either sell or produce. Seeing people have golden bpo's without using them hurts me irl.
Re Seller	Posted - 2009.03.09 10:38:00 - [33] help a fellow trader by giving him one of the ****tier bpos for use?
Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2009.03.09 12:51:00 - [34] Not entirely sure what I would do, probably leave them locked down in a corp with a friend building from them. I have someone else loaning me theirs as they only seem to play every 4-6 months these days, they login and get half the profits. Which works out well for me, because I get half a T2 BPO worth of profit, and well for them, since they would otherwise get nothing. Of course the easiest by far is to simply sell it, if you can manage to get more 2-3 years profit ;) On the other hand, what do you need isk for if you're not playing, maybe hold onto them as assets. Though nothing in Eve really stays static that long, 3 years profit for any ship BPO was a lot more profit 3 years ago. You could always make a corp, only yourself with shares, lock down the BPOs and invite one other person into the corp to build off them. This of course would involve some trust both ways since you could always kick them out / take their stuff on build, and they could always get behind on their rent. But at least your BPOs themselves would be safe and productive and at least earning you some isk. If you get an efficient enough setup it's not all that hard to build yourself TBH, even if you just buy the materials at full market price. But if you don't enjoy building at all, just sell them.
Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2009.03.09 12:59:00 - [35] Originally by: SencneS Edited by: SencneS on 22/02/2009 08:24:49 Originally by: Lukriss Make and sell copies perhaps? dunno how much work that'd be tho I honestly don't know why T2 BPO holders don't do this anyway. I'm sure the OP is not the only one with Spare BPOs they just don't build off. If I had T2 BPOs I'd run copies even if it takes longer then to make it. Sell the BPCs and just kick the pants off all the inventors. One way to prevent people from making ISK off invention is to simply flood the market with max run +ME +PE BPCs and sell them for less then the cost of the Data cores. Do that for a month and see how quickly BPCs start dropping off contract. There's a couple of problems with this a) you make more than twice as much isk building, which means you can split the profit 50/50 with someone and still be ahead. b) you can't make that many copies of anything useful. (ie, a 10 run Hulk BPC from a BPO will take a month to make with a BPO, but an inventor can make 10 of those in a day. The scale means that even if ALL hulk BPO owners did it, it wouldn't kill the invention market, it would actually have the reverse effect since less would be built, invention would be more profitable and the BPCs from BPO owners would be bought up cheap and resold for someone else's profit. c) things like mining crystals aren't going to be profitable to invent, nor many of them to even build off the BPO either. Go nuts copying here but even BPO made BPCs won't sell for much compared to using your slot to copy a capital BPO instead, for many times the profit. BPO owners, basically, for any item worth using, can't flood the market. The only markets they can flood are the ones with no buyers, and they're only flooded because there is years of excess stock built up.

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