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Cpt Leks
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Posted - 2009.02.21 21:52:00 -
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 Originally by: welsh wizard
Bring your own.
You shouldnt need falcon to counter falcon.
Oh and ECCM try fitting one on most amarr ships and tell us how It goes.
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Cpt Leks
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Posted - 2009.02.21 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: echohead
If falcons were really unbalanced they would be solo pwning people like the old curses/pilgrims. Falcons still have a paper tank, they still have zero DPS, they are slow. Even small gangs can be fitted to deal with falcons and blackbirds. for example many ships with decent speed and a turret disruptor can solo any turret based BS.
People are very inflexible when it comes to dealing with things in eve. There is more to ship and fleet makeup than tank/gank. EW ships are a must in gangs, but then so are fast tacklers.
How about less falcon complaint threads and more how to kill falcon threads.
Rather than saying "even small gangs can be fitted to deal with falcons and blackbirds" give a good example?
Falcons dont fly alone ever of reasons mentioned above, so to deal with falcon u need to get through his gang first. but since falcon can knock off 3-4 members of ur gang it not as easy done as said.
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Cpt Leks
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Posted - 2009.02.21 22:42:00 -
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Originally by: welsh wizard
Originally by: Cpt Leks
Originally by: echohead
If falcons were really unbalanced they would be solo pwning people like the old curses/pilgrims. Falcons still have a paper tank, they still have zero DPS, they are slow. Even small gangs can be fitted to deal with falcons and blackbirds. for example many ships with decent speed and a turret disruptor can solo any turret based BS.
People are very inflexible when it comes to dealing with things in eve. There is more to ship and fleet makeup than tank/gank. EW ships are a must in gangs, but then so are fast tacklers.
How about less falcon complaint threads and more how to kill falcon threads.
Rather than saying "even small gangs can be fitted to deal with falcons and blackbirds" give a good example?
Falcons dont fly alone ever of reasons mentioned above, so to deal with falcon u need to get through his gang first. but since falcon can knock off 3-4 members of ur gang it not as easy done as said.
So, are you going to counter the real arguments? Or just ask the same tired old wall butting questions people always ask when they're simpily frustrated and don't have a point?
You're bored of being jammed, so am I. That doesn't automatically mean the culprit is overpowered.
Doesnt that imply that theres something wrong with the ecm mechanics?
Oh yeah sitting there and waiting till you die without pretty much any real counter measure is very exciting.
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Cpt Leks
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Posted - 2009.02.22 00:14:00 -
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Ive seen people getting perma jammed by 1 falcon with 3 ECCMs.
And talking about chances they are just too close to 100%. And as i said before try fitting ECM on most amarr ships. Seems rather stupid ruining the setup just to have some sort of counter measure against 1 out of tens of ships and still it would be ...umm...1% chance of not getting jammed?
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Cpt Leks
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Posted - 2009.02.22 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: daisy dook
And I've had crusiers that I just haven't been able to jam, in a large enough sample all these things will happen (though I'd like you to point me to the killboards that are littlered with multiple ECCMed BS's that have been killed by Falcons).
You should fit for what you expect to encounter; if you don't feel that ECCM is a valuable module then you are obviously not encountering enough Falcons.
Now which one is most likely to happen?
I might have exaggerated with ECCM being useless but then again you keep missing my point. Being amarr specced i do not have such option to choose ECM too much. It's like getting module against 1 ship (which is completely chance based and 99% will get me killed anyway) or i get something that might help me kill plenty of other ship or save my ass? And NO you usually never choose to engage falcon on your own will.
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Cpt Leks
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Posted - 2009.02.22 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: daisy dook
If your solo against a Falcon (and mates) I've got no sympathy. If your in a gang, the more jammers you soak up then the less for the rest of the gang. If you don't want to fit ECCM then don't complain about ECM it's not like CCP haven;t given us high low and mid-slot ECCM.
Here's a top tip for you, Falcons generally have only one of each racial jammer available...
misinterpreting doesnt make you look good neither does ignorance.
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