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TheCartel	Posted - 2009.02.21 23:27:00 - [1] Well I have an very experienced friend who flies the vaga and uses dual 180s over the typical 220s. Loading onto EFT the 180s give 21 less dps with my skills but give better tracking. 220 Tracking = 0.1175 rad/sec 180 Tracking = 0.132 rad/sec The range with barrage M is the same. Just dont think that 220s are worth fitting over 180s but am I wrong.
Mrs Altimcaltalt	Posted - 2009.02.21 23:45:00 - [2] Edited by: Mrs Altimcaltalt on 21/02/2009 23:46:53 220's all the way... better falloff so harder to scram/med nuet/webb you.... think you can orbit around 13 km with the correct ammo correction i was wrong about falloff... but slightly better optimal
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis Mean Coalition	Posted - 2009.02.22 00:28:00 - [3] Either works, 220mm makes a good mix of tracking and firepower. You usually aren't doing the bulk of your DPS while moving anyways. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
TheCartel	Posted - 2009.02.22 01:17:00 - [4] Range imo is neglegible as they are only like 200m difference in optimal :P The tracking could help with smaller ships I guess. 21 dps just doesnt seem like much.
Lego Maniac Minmatar	Posted - 2009.02.22 01:23:00 - [5] 220s give better ammo usage?
Cockadopolis Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2009.02.22 02:21:00 - [6] 220's cost more aswell IIRC.
Pater Peccavi Minmatar Tactical Initiative	Posted - 2009.02.22 06:13:00 - [7] Originally by: **adopolis 220's cost more aswell IIRC. Not in Rens they don't. ---- Originally by:** Harrana Originally by: SilentPSA gorrilla warfare This was my favourite bit tbh. Damn those gorillas.
Diomidis Amarr Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.22 06:42:00 - [8] Edited by: Diomidis on 22/02/2009 06:44:22 Fighting against Frigates, a Vaga's natural enemies (cause almost nothing else can tackle you effectively for long - par a Gallente Recon) the Dual 180s are better. Dual 180s Pros Better Tracking - Better than 220 Vulcans with a TE II Almost identical range as the falloff is the same on all medium AC tiers Great RoF increases critical chance and performance against fast moving targets Save a lot of PG to allow the usage of a Medium Neut - perhaps the only defense you have once scrammed by a ceptor or AF - and ambit rigs at the same time - to aid with everything DPS loss is minimal, way less that those seen when downgrading 1 tier in most other weapon platforms Dual 180s Cons Ammo usage: yes, it's a pain when fighting bigger targets, cause the great RoF will eat a lot of ammo - be prepared. On the other hand bullets seem to be WAY cheaper than Faction / T2 Crystals so bare with it. Less DPS is less DPS Also you could try mixing those 220s with just enough 180s to make room for that Neut and proj rigs, unless you like grouping them for faster ammo switching, and keep your EFT dps less dent... Join the Biggest Greek Corp! www.Mythos-eve.com - Join Mythos Channel in game!
Megan Maynard Minmatar Out of Order	Posted - 2009.02.22 06:59:00 - [9] Go heavy, sport 425's.......... Stop, hammer time.
Spaztick Canadian Imperial Armaments Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2009.02.22 07:04:00 - [10] Everyone's forgetting the most important part: 180s sound cooler. On another topic, I finally removed that annoying sentence in my signature.
Tuncan Minmatar Arbitrary Freedom	Posted - 2009.02.22 09:41:00 - [11] 220's lot more dps than 21, 180's got more ammo so eft says its only 21 dps U'll see the difference against cruiser and bc sized targets.
Diomidis Amarr Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.22 10:13:00 - [12] Originally by: Tuncan 220's lot more dps than 21, 180's got more ammo so eft says its only 21 dps U'll see the difference against cruiser and bc sized targets. Oh? Say what? What "more ammo" gets to do with DPS? Dual 180s hold more ammo to compensate for the higher RoF...the same goes for all lower tier ACs and Blasters afaik. Otherwise the higher RoF would lead to continuous reloads that would lower the effective dps during a fight considerably. In fact, for the 220s vs. the 180s debate, tho the absolute dps difference is 25 dps using 2x Guro IIs (and max paper skills), EFT reports 21dps when you check the "include reloading time in dps calculations" option. That's because the Dual 180s holding 100 Barrage M cartriges can keep on firing for more time than the 220 Vulcan's holding 80... Oh, and the effective dps vs. smaller targets favors the Dual 180s way more than 220s vs. BCs and stuff... Should you go hunting big "wabbits", ratters, or even ratting yourself, go on and use 220s or even 425s. Yes, the Vaga can be a nice dmg dealer with them, especially if you fit 3x Gyros, tho that's not it's main role - just like IMHO the Pilgrim wasn't conceived as a shield HP II cloaking platform, the Arazu a similar shield buffer blaster-boat etc...those heretic setups might work and work well in specialized occations, tho by no means should become the norm. At least the Vaga has an important role in gangs, unlike the Pilgrim, so fitting it for the best overall performance and not a single role is way more efficient. Join the Biggest Greek Corp! www.Mythos-eve.com - Join Mythos Channel in game!
Lukriss Caldari	Posted - 2009.02.22 12:05:00 - [13] Reloading takes 10 seconds, so everytime you reload, that's 10 sec you're not firing, that's what more ammo means to dps.
prefectro Minmatar Amok. Minor Threat.	Posted - 2009.02.22 15:58:00 - [14] Originally by: Diomidis Dual 180s Pros Better Tracking - Better than 220 Vulcans with a TE II Almost identical range as the falloff is the same on all medium AC tiers Great RoF increases critical chance and performance against fast moving targets Save a lot of PG to allow the usage of a Medium Neut - perhaps the only defense you have once scrammed by a ceptor or AF - and ambit rigs at the same time - to aid with everything DPS loss is minimal, way less that those seen when downgrading 1 tier in most other weapon platforms You pretty much get all this for a 5% decrease in damage. And for smaller ships I would say your dmg increases when you factor in the increased tracking (meaning you hit more). Since the speed nerf I have been only fitting, d180s. I was hesitant at first as I hate losing DPS, but the benefits have been worth it.
Diomidis Amarr Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.22 16:24:00 - [15] Originally by: prefectro Originally by: Diomidis Dual 180s Pros Better Tracking - Better than 220 Vulcans with a TE II Almost identical range as the falloff is the same on all medium AC tiers Great RoF increases critical chance and performance against fast moving targets Save a lot of PG to allow the usage of a Medium Neut - perhaps the only defense you have once scrammed by a ceptor or AF - and ambit rigs at the same time - to aid with everything DPS loss is minimal, way less that those seen when downgrading 1 tier in most other weapon platforms You pretty much get all this for a 5% decrease in damage. And for smaller ships I would say your dmg increases when you factor in the increased tracking (meaning you hit more). Since the speed nerf I have been only fitting, d180s. I was hesitant at first as I hate losing DPS, but the benefits have been worth it. I am not much of a Vaga pilot, tho I've seen some action with it in QR (about 40kills, out of 60 total with it - I'm far from a vaga expert) - but I've been using Dual 180s almost exclusively simply cause I've seen too many misses against small targets even with low transversal (however slow you could consider my rogued / zor'ed vaga, more than double the current speed with T2 fitting and polys)and even tracking BSs was difficult when orbiting at full speed. The Vaga's role is mainly anti-support, and since dmg and range reduction when downgrading 1 tier in ACs is negligible, I wouldn't try to focus on it's shear dps - I would take another HAC (Zealot, Ishtar, Cerb etc) to fight or a Sleip / Cane should I wish for more dmg... Dual 180s shred frigates much for effectively than larger ACs...paper calculations cannot provide a clear representation of this...with larger ACs T2 fighting drones are an absolute must in order to avoid a humiliating death - with Dual 180s you are naturally way better against close range small targets (below Neut range, trying to scram you) and ECM lights are also more viable to carry. I still believe that only ratter-hunters should consider bigger than Dual 180s for the sake of ammo efficiency etc, but those could also consider AB instead of MWD etc...that's way from the PvP efficient norm too, and seeing some elite pilots succeeding in or proposing such setups, are giving away half the truth about em... Join the Biggest Greek Corp! www.Mythos-eve.com - Join Mythos Channel in game!
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis Mean Coalition	Posted - 2009.02.22 17:09:00 - [16] Originally by: Spaztick Everyone's forgetting the most important part: 180s sound cooler. Cooler than 220mm Vulcan? no way... Originally by: Diomidis ....consider AB instead of MWD etc...that's way from the PvP efficient norm too, and seeing some elite pilots succeeding in or proposing such setups, are giving away half the truth about em... Why take the games fastest HAC and turn into one of the slower ones? AB is a certain no-no, if you wanted to go around 1100m/s you'd fly a Hurricane. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Lilith Velkor Minmatar DEATH'S LEGION Red Box.	Posted - 2009.02.22 17:13:00 - [17] Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 22/02/2009 17:15:11 Originally by: Diomidis I am not much of a Vaga pilot, tho I've seen some action with it in QR (about 40kills, out of 60 total with it - I'm far from a vaga expert) - but I've been using Dual 180s almost exclusively simply cause I've seen too many misses against small targets even with low transversal (however slow you could consider my rogued / zor'ed vaga, more than double the current speed with T2 fitting and polys)and even tracking BSs was difficult when orbiting at full speed. You were doing it wrong I'm afraid Seriously, the only reason to go with 180s over 220s on the vagabond is fitting issues, i.e. you need the powergrid for a medium neut. Choose the proper range to target, reduce its transversal by maneuvering, and you have no tracking issues at all. About the dps increase on ACs with upsizing, it might be very small compared to other turret systems, still people buy +5% dps implants for lots of isk, go figure if 5% is worth it or not.
Beverly Sparks	Posted - 2009.02.22 19:48:00 - [18] Originally by: Lilith Velkor Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 22/02/2009 17:15:11 Originally by: Diomidis I am not much of a Vaga pilot, tho I've seen some action with it in QR (about 40kills, out of 60 total with it - I'm far from a vaga expert) - but I've been using Dual 180s almost exclusively simply cause I've seen too many misses against small targets even with low transversal (however slow you could consider my rogued / zor'ed vaga, more than double the current speed with T2 fitting and polys)and even tracking BSs was difficult when orbiting at full speed. You were doing it wrong I'm afraid Seriously, the only reason to go with 180s over 220s on the vagabond is fitting issues, i.e. you need the powergrid for a medium neut. Choose the proper range to target, reduce its transversal by maneuvering, and you have no tracking issues at all. About the dps increase on ACs with upsizing, it might be very small compared to other turret systems, still people buy +5% dps implants for lots of isk, go figure if 5% is worth it or not. Speed and Tracking is like peaches and cream, peanut butter and jelly. There are certainly good reasons to fit D180's. Also if fitting was not the big concern, then I would prefer D180's with 2-3 Ambit rigs, then 220's or 425's without them.
Zeon Mackie Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2009.02.22 20:56:00 - [19] 220s here.
Diomidis Amarr Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2009.02.22 21:58:00 - [20] Originally by: Lilith Velkor Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 22/02/2009 17:15:11 Originally by: Diomidis I am not much of a Vaga pilot, tho I've seen some action with it in QR (about 40kills, out of 60 total with it - I'm far from a vaga expert) - but I've been using Dual 180s almost exclusively simply cause I've seen too many misses against small targets even with low transversal (however slow you could consider my rogued / zor'ed vaga, more than double the current speed with T2 fitting and polys)and even tracking BSs was difficult when orbiting at full speed. You were doing it wrong I'm afraid Seriously, the only reason to go with 180s over 220s on the vagabond is fitting issues, i.e. you need the powergrid for a medium neut. Choose the proper range to target, reduce its transversal by maneuvering, and you have no tracking issues at all. About the dps increase on ACs with upsizing, it might be very small compared to other turret systems, still people buy +5% dps implants for lots of isk, go figure if 5% is worth it or not. I do the manual navigation thing - even dual 180s won't help you if you lazy-orbit ffs And I do fit implants, and I do/would prefer 3% dmg + 3% tracking anytime... It's down to personal taste and perception after all...it's not a black or white thing, just MO... Join the Biggest Greek Corp! www.Mythos-eve.com - Join Mythos Channel in game!
Lilith Velkor Minmatar DEATH'S LEGION Red Box.	Posted - 2009.02.22 23:41:00 - [21] Originally by: Diomidis I do the manual navigation thing - even dual 180s won't help you if you lazy-orbit ffs And I do fit implants, and I do/would prefer 3% dmg + 3% tracking anytime... It's down to personal taste and perception after all...it's not a black or white thing, just MO... Well what I meant was, there is no reason to downsize to 180s because of tracking, as 220s hit everything cruiser size well enough, and frigates you wont hit with 180s either unless you are at proper range and manage transversal, in which case you could aswell have 220s. The thing is the bonus to falloff allows you to increase your relative tracking by just going a km further out. A good reason however for 180s is fitting, as you wont be putting a medium neut with a full rack of 220s and ambit rigs. Since the medium neut is mandatory on the vagabond with the new scramblers, 180s are also mandatory.

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