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Wrai'th Gallente Garoun Investment Bank	Posted - 2009.02.22 21:27:00 - [1] looking for a good solo ishkur setup, anybody got one? ------ Well, my sig got nerfed. Ouchie. "Conquer and Devour" --MKJ
Rindarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2009.02.22 21:55:00 - [2] 3 ions t2, small nos mwd, scrambler, web small rep, dcu II, reactive plating this is the fit i use when soloing but i use centii c-type small rep, centi c-type reactive plating, is a all around kickass fit an hasn't failed me so far >:) Five symbols of magic Five symbols of fall Five symbols of power And the meaning of it all
Galliana Foresta Fleeting Moments of Insanity	Posted - 2009.02.22 22:24:00 - [3] Originally by: Rindarr 3 ions t2, small nos mwd, scrambler, web small rep, dcu II, reactive plating this is the fit i use when soloing but i use centii c-type small rep, centi c-type reactive plating, is a all around kickass fit an hasn't failed me so far >:) This imotbh. Consider dropping the web for a small or micro cap booster with 200s.
Cyrus Mierre The Forsaken Legion	Posted - 2009.02.22 23:52:00 - [4] Originally by: Rindarr 3 ions t2, small nos mwd, scrambler, web small rep, dcu II, reactive plating this is the fit i use when soloing but i use centii c-type small rep, centi c-type reactive plating, is a all around kickass fit an hasn't failed me so far >:) Fairly tried/tested solid setup really. Good advice. I mostly fly this setup if im alone, coz i'll mostly be up against other AFs/t1 cruisers, I like to use their cap against em XD [Ishkur, Ishkur Cyrus] Small Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 1MN Afterburner II Warp Scrambler II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Light Ion Blaster II, Void S Light Ion Blaster II, Void S Small Diminishing Power System Drain I Small Diminishing Power System Drain I [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Hobgoblin II x5
Letifer Deus 181st Legion W A S T E L A N D	Posted - 2009.02.23 05:15:00 - [5] Edited by: Letifer Deus on 23/02/2009 05:18:40 Originally by: Galliana Foresta Consider dropping the web for a small or micro cap booster with 200s. 150s, not 200s. cap/s is about the same and it makes you less vulnerable to neuts. P.S. I run a coreli c-type AB as opposed to a mwd w/ aux thruster rigs. I highly prefer it to mwd setup. 3x ion 2s w/navy am small diminishing coreli c-type AB small cap booster w/cap 150s scram coreli c-type SAR DCU2 Armor Explosive 2 or EANM 2 (if I know or have a good idea of target and it isn't explosive heavy, I go EANM) 2x aux thruster rigs 5x hob 2s/5x warrior 2s I've used this setup a lot and it works like a charm. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"
Brego Tralowski Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.23 06:14:00 - [6] I usually fly the setup Galliana has recommended with the Centii c repper. Plus all the Warrior IIs you can fit! Had a GF with a Jaguar a couple days ago, with I consider the secound best AF and beat it. Ishkur is a great ship I also use T2 Blasters with a mix of ammo in my hold. Have fun flying this ship -----------------------------------------------
TimMc Gallente Extradition	Posted - 2009.02.23 09:38:00 - [7] Would you guys all fit 2 damage rigs? Aux Thruster rigs are expensive.
Cpt Cosmic	Posted - 2009.02.23 14:51:00 - [8] this is what I am testing at the moment: Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 1MN MicroWarpdrive II Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Medium Shield Extender II 3x 75mm Gatling Rail II offline heat sink Hybrid Collision Accelerator I Hybrid Burst Aerator I Warrior II x5 ECM drones in cargo
VoiceInTheDesert Zebra Corp Circle-Of-Two	Posted - 2009.02.23 16:15:00 - [9] Edited by: VoiceInTheDesert on 23/02/2009 16:16:22 Highs: Light Ion II x3 Diminishing Nosferatu Mids: Coreli C-type 1 MN Afterburner x5 Web Warm Scrambler II Lows: Coreli C-Type Small Armor Repair DC II Adpative Nano Membrane (C-type if you haz money) Rigs: Hybrid Collision Accelerator x2 My skills (mostly 4s) gets about 215 dps and 60ish tank with this setup. The sustained defense is a little lower, but if you have to perma run your repper, you're going to be dead before you run out of cap anyway. The idea is to get in close (you'll hit close to 1 km/s and get well over it with heat) and orbit at 500m with the scram to shut off MWDs. The web is for killing drones. Enemy drones are only a problem if they are coming from a drone bonus ship (myrmi, curse, vexor, domi). Even on those ships, the drones can be destroyed if you don't panic. Just make sure you get within range to shut off the mwd of an opposing ship and start orbiting close to avoid fire. If a BC or cruiser gets range on you, you will die very quickly (Pulse laser ships especially). You should not need to run the rep or the AB perma unless you are super webbed (in which case, one or the other will suffice in most situations and the nos will keep the AB running for as long as you want). Also, you can fit a cap booster like some people have suggested, but I find the web to be more useful since it can help you kill drones. I have tanked a Raven with a TP/nuets with this setup with no trouble. Just gotta be smart and pulse your repper when you have cap. You can use charges too, but the nos should be enough if you're smart.
Galliana Foresta Fleeting Moments of Insanity	Posted - 2009.02.23 19:15:00 - [10] Originally by: Brego Tralowski I usually fly the setup Galliana has recommended with the Centii c repper. Plus all the Warrior IIs you can fit! Had a GF with a Jaguar a couple days ago, with I consider the secound best AF and beat it. Ishkur is a great ship I also use T2 Blasters with a mix of ammo in my hold. Have fun flying this ship QFT. Jag has real trouble against this ship/setup. Originally by: TimMc Would you guys all fit 2 damage rigs? Aux Thruster rigs are expensive. Yarr, I fit dmg rigs rather than aux thrusters. Cheaper and mroe useful imo. Originally by: Cpt Cosmic this is what I am testing at the moment: Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 1MN MicroWarpdrive II Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Medium Shield Extender II 3x 75mm Gatling Rail II offline heat sink Hybrid Collision Accelerator I Hybrid Burst Aerator I Warrior II x5 ECM drones in cargo I'm not sure about this tbh... damage is a bit too low, sig with shield extender and MWD is huuuuge, and even a Halo set doesn't help this much, and you're using a MWD inside of web/scram range yourself when you're using a 2 point scram. This is what I use normally: [Ishkur, wat] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Coreli C-Type Small Armor Repairer Damage Control II Coreli C-Type 1MN Afterburner Warp Scrambler II Micro Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 200 Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Micro EMP Smartbomb I /OFFLINE Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Hybrid Burst Aerator I Hybrid Collision Accelerator I Hobgoblin II x5 253dps with Fedmatter and 73dps tanked. Cap stable, neut resistant, 950m/s, 5.1s align time, 34.51m2 sig with Halos. Hawt.

Ixich Gallente Divinity Within The Eden Project	Posted - 2009.02.23 19:40:00 - [11] Ishkur: Assault Ships Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Small Hybrid Turret optimal range and +5 Drone Bay capacity per level The optimal range bonus says to me rails, but the gallente in me says blasters... I wish it was a fall-off bonus... -Ix-
Cpt Cosmic	Posted - 2009.02.24 13:47:00 - [12] Originally by: Galliana Foresta Originally by: Cpt Cosmic this is what I am testing at the moment: Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 1MN MicroWarpdrive II Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Medium Shield Extender II 3x 75mm Gatling Rail II offline heat sink Hybrid Collision Accelerator I Hybrid Burst Aerator I Warrior II x5 ECM drones in cargo I'm not sure about this tbh... damage is a bit too low, sig with shield extender and MWD is huuuuge, and even a Halo set doesn't help this much, and you're using a MWD inside of web/scram range yourself when you're using a 2 point scram. the dmg is not much lower than the cookie cutter blaster setup. the bit higher sig does not rly matter, you should not fight most cruisers in it anyway. you can force of inties very well with rails, drones alone dont work, they tend to xplode rly fast. you use ecm drones to break lock, get to 8km and outlast the enemy with 10k ehp ;P
Galliana Foresta Fleeting Moments of Insanity	Posted - 2009.02.24 19:00:00 - [13] Originally by: Cpt Cosmic Originally by: Galliana Foresta Originally by: Cpt Cosmic this is what I am testing at the moment: Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 1MN MicroWarpdrive II Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Medium Shield Extender II 3x 75mm Gatling Rail II offline heat sink Hybrid Collision Accelerator I Hybrid Burst Aerator I Warrior II x5 ECM drones in cargo I'm not sure about this tbh... damage is a bit too low, sig with shield extender and MWD is huuuuge, and even a Halo set doesn't help this much, and you're using a MWD inside of web/scram range yourself when you're using a 2 point scram. the dmg is not much lower than the cookie cutter blaster setup. the bit higher sig does not rly matter, you should not fight most cruisers in it anyway. you can force of inties very well with rails, drones alone dont work, they tend to xplode rly fast. you use ecm drones to break lock, get to 8km and outlast the enemy with 10k ehp ;P Bit higher sig? 8x the sig, more like. 34.51 for my setup vs. 244 for yours. I realise you won't be running with the MWD on all the time, but this really is huge. Furthermore, my setup has 8.3k EHP, and can rep. Obviously it's all situational, but tbh I can't think of a situation where I'd prefer your setup to mine /shrug.
Letifer Deus 181st Legion W A S T E L A N D	Posted - 2009.02.24 21:37:00 - [14] Originally by: TimMc Would you guys all fit 2 damage rigs? Aux Thruster rigs are expensive. Pretty sure aux thrusters and hybrid burst/collision are about the same in price. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"
UMEE	Posted - 2009.02.24 21:55:00 - [15] Edited by: UMEE on 24/02/2009 21:56:24 galliana, you cant tackle in your setup. your ishkur is pretty useless in pvp; i usually use your setup to rat in 0.0. if u wanna do dps, just fly a t1 cruiser.
Letifer Deus 181st Legion W A S T E L A N D	Posted - 2009.02.24 22:05:00 - [16] Originally by: UMEE galliana, you cant tackle in your setup. your ishkur is pretty useless in pvp; i usually use your setup to rat in 0.0. if u wanna do dps, just fly a t1 cruiser. Her setup isn't far removed from mine and I have done just fine in PvP with it. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"
nakKEDK Gallente tr0pa de elite Triumvirate.	Posted - 2009.02.24 22:30:00 - [17] [Ishkur] Small Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Gistii C-Type 1MN Afterburner Warp Scrambler II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Small 'Knave' I Energy Drain Hybrid Burst Aerator I Hybrid Burst Aerator I Hobgoblin II x5 Hobgoblin II x1 I've used that with great succes, Hybrid riggin 4 or Pg implant 1/3% btw whats up with all the People fitting cap boosters.. k
Milo Caman Gallente Ghost Festival	Posted - 2009.02.24 23:09:00 - [18] Ion Blaster/AB/Warriors. Definitly. I've found that unless you have Warrior IIs, or at the very least ECM Drones, you're Interceptor Food. "The Earth is the cradle of the mind, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever."
UMEE	Posted - 2009.02.25 00:53:00 - [19] Edited by: UMEE on 25/02/2009 00:54:50 Originally by: Letifer Deus Originally by: UMEE galliana, you cant tackle in your setup. your ishkur is pretty useless in pvp; i usually use your setup to rat in 0.0. if u wanna do dps, just fly a t1 cruiser. Her setup isn't far removed from mine and I have done just fine in PvP with it. im sure youve had 'success', if you mean that you stayed alive in your gang, or killed an odd newb in a t1 cruiser. but you did less dps than you would have in a t1 cruiser, and you did not tackle.
Galliana Foresta Fleeting Moments of Insanity	Posted - 2009.02.25 11:26:00 - [20] Originally by: UMEE Edited by: UMEE on 25/02/2009 00:54:50 Originally by: Letifer Deus Originally by: UMEE galliana, you cant tackle in your setup. your ishkur is pretty useless in pvp; i usually use your setup to rat in 0.0. if u wanna do dps, just fly a t1 cruiser. Her setup isn't far removed from mine and I have done just fine in PvP with it. im sure youve had 'success', if you mean that you stayed alive in your gang, or killed an odd newb in a t1 cruiser. but you did less dps than you would have in a t1 cruiser, and you did not tackle. I don't recall stating anywhere that I was a tackler, and I don't like your attitude. But here for your viewing pleasure are my kills in an Ishkur. Some solo, some not. Some against multiple targets solo, and sometimes even dealing the most damage... So yeah, I've stayed alive, killed the odd newb and vet alike, tackled and did plenty of damage. Go back to your cave.

Sir Erighan Caldari The Executioners	Posted - 2009.02.25 11:59:00 - [21] Originally by: UMEE Edited by: UMEE on 25/02/2009 00:54:50 Originally by: Letifer Deus Originally by: UMEE galliana, you cant tackle in your setup. your ishkur is pretty useless in pvp; i usually use your setup to rat in 0.0. if u wanna do dps, just fly a t1 cruiser. Her setup isn't far removed from mine and I have done just fine in PvP with it. im sure youve had 'success', if you mean that you stayed alive in your gang, or killed an odd newb in a t1 cruiser. but you did less dps than you would have in a t1 cruiser, and you did not tackle. Think you need to read the title again. Gang ≠ Solo Some nice setups here. Just need to decide on AB or MWD. Seems like personal preference based on the setups.
Ivana Gankalot	Posted - 2009.02.25 12:18:00 - [22] Edited by: Ivana Gankalot on 25/02/2009 12:20:02 Edited by: Ivana Gankalot on 25/02/2009 12:19:24 best fitting i've tried is...... 1 small nos 3light electron blasters II 1 1mn AB II 1 fleeting scram 1 small electromech cap booster W 150s 2 SAR II 1 true sansha passive explosive hardner (cant rtemeber the exact name) 5 warrior IIs and rest hobs. i use a halo set with this sort of ship and its pretty nasty. rigs. i dont rig this will speed tank and med guns easily, can cap inject if getting neuted and with 2 small reppers can tank warrior IIs till you pop them. if you can get in a tight orbit fast there isnt many ships in the game that can take this down. kills vagas, deimos, zealot,s cerbs and will kill many BC. easily IF they land at zero or you land on them at zero. once that scrams on and you are in orbit thet are screwed.
gpfault Haunted House BROTHERS GRIM.	Posted - 2009.02.25 12:23:00 - [23] Originally by: nakKEDK I've used that with great succes, Hybrid riggin 4 or Pg implant 1/3% btw whats up with all the People fitting cap boosters.. Lets you permarun the rep so long as you have cap boosters and gives you some survivability vs ships packing a neut. The web isn't that useful since the scram shuts down MWDs and anything that can kite scram range will probably kite web range too. I usually roll with this: Quote: [Ishkur, ishkyarrr] Damage Control II Small Armor Repairer II Armor Explosive Hardener II Cold-Gas I Arcjet Thrusters Warp Scrambler II Small Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 100 Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Light Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S Small 'Knave' I Energy Drain [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Hobgoblin II x5 Warrior II x4 The exp hard is very handy to have since warriors seem to be the universal anti-frigate drone. You can upgrade the AB to T2/faction if you want (my fitting skills are a bit **** and I'm cheap).
Streikeer	Posted - 2009.02.26 01:07:00 - [24] Why not drop the small rep and add a MFS II? Even at the expense of loseing the small NOS. Lows I was considering: EANM II DCU II MFS II or EANM II Explos Hard II (really don't like this one hate to drop the DCU II) MFS II or Explos. Hard. II DCU II MFS II
UMEE	Posted - 2009.02.26 08:34:00 - [25] Originally by: Galliana Foresta Originally by: UMEE Edited by: UMEE on 25/02/2009 00:54:50 Originally by: Letifer Deus Originally by: UMEE galliana, you cant tackle in your setup. your ishkur is pretty useless in pvp; i usually use your setup to rat in 0.0. if u wanna do dps, just fly a t1 cruiser. Her setup isn't far removed from mine and I have done just fine in PvP with it. im sure youve had 'success', if you mean that you stayed alive in your gang, or killed an odd newb in a t1 cruiser. but you did less dps than you would have in a t1 cruiser, and you did not tackle. I don't recall stating anywhere that I was a tackler, and I don't like your attitude. But here for your viewing pleasure are my kills in an Ishkur. Some solo, some not. Some against multiple targets solo, and sometimes even dealing the most damage... So yeah, I've stayed alive, killed the odd newb and vet alike, tackled and did plenty of damage. Go back to your cave. read again, that remark was not about you. anyway, you can retain MOST of the ishkur's dps, its tackling capacity and durability (lol) with some of the better setups out there, which include the mwd. if youre being hurt by my remarks/attitude, then youre the one living in a cave. it's just criticism.
UMEE	Posted - 2009.02.26 08:39:00 - [26] Edited by: UMEE on 26/02/2009 08:40:15 Originally by: Sir Erighan Originally by: UMEE Edited by: UMEE on 25/02/2009 00:54:50 Originally by: Letifer Deus Originally by: UMEE galliana, you cant tackle in your setup. your ishkur is pretty useless in pvp; i usually use your setup to rat in 0.0. if u wanna do dps, just fly a t1 cruiser. Her setup isn't far removed from mine and I have done just fine in PvP with it. im sure youve had 'success', if you mean that you stayed alive in your gang, or killed an odd newb in a t1 cruiser. but you did less dps than you would have in a t1 cruiser, and you did not tackle. Think you need to read the title again. Gang ≠ Solo Some nice setups here. Just need to decide on AB or MWD. Seems like personal preference based on the setups. lol, im premising all of my remarks on that title. you cant really catch anything without an mwd. this is my entire point, and applies both solo and gang. if you happen to be in a gang, and fit an AB, this implies that you wont be tackling. you've stripped that capacity. so im assuming you want to do dee pee esss. and im saying fly a t1 cruiser for more of it, and for cheaper. if youre solo with an AB, then you are basically just killing newbs. many cruisers will go faster than you.
Streikeer	Posted - 2009.02.26 22:04:00 - [27] Comments needed for the lows setups I posted a few replies up. thnx.
Karentaki Gallente Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2009.02.26 23:15:00 - [28] I don't know why people insist on fitting mwd's on assault frigs. Since QR it's far better to be able to move at 800m/s with a small sig radius, than to move at 3km/s with a huge sig radius. I have tanked hacs before in my ishkur while using only an afterburner, and while a mwd might help slightly against other afs, having almost everything being able to hit you as you fly into scram range, and losing a big chunk of cap at the same time is NOT a big benefit. Also, consider that most other small ships will kill your MWD with a scram the moment you get in range, and a mwd looks even less appealing, even against other afs. The ONLY real advantage I can see to fitting an mwd is being able to get in range to tackle an enemy before they warp. Quote: EVE is like a sandbox with landmines. Deal with it.
UMEE	Posted - 2009.02.27 03:36:00 - [29] the reason why people insist on fitting mwd's on AF's is that mwd cruisers can tackle you if you fit an AB, which is sad. mwd is also for tackling other ships; u can go ~2.5km/s and avoid getting scrammed/webbed/neuted. moving into scram/web/neut range with blasters will get you killed more often than not, if youre fighting people who actually know how to fit their ships. i dont want to offend anyone with this remark, but lets face it, any t1 cruiser with web, 2 small neuts, warriors and small guns will own your face; there are ships that can pop you before you even get under their guns with your AB. the blasters are nice to have because there are times when ure not being primaried an it's nice to be able to dish out some extra dps. AF's have gotten a role that they badly needed after the recent buffs to their mass. they are now tanky tacklers that can do some decent dps as bonus. what i dont understand is why people keep living in the past and using AF's as a half-assed dps platform. yes, im talking to most of you in this thread. im asking you: why are you using your ishkur as a half-assed dps platform? thanks.
UMEE	Posted - 2009.02.27 03:45:00 - [30] Originally by: Streikeer Comments needed for the lows setups I posted a few replies up. thnx. i go with DCUII, SARII, explo hardener. this is for maximum warrior II tankage.

Th0rG0d Caldari Pilots From Honour	Posted - 2009.02.27 04:08:00 - [31] Originally by: UMEE moving into scram/web/neut range with blasters will get you killed more often than not, if youre fighting people who actually know how to fit their ships. i dont want to offend anyone with this remark, but lets face it, any t1 cruiser with web, 2 small neuts, warriors and small guns will own your face; This is a situation that I'd like to get more light shed on.... If you are in web range with an MWD, aren't you in scram range too. Small guns should be able to track you regardless. Are small gun fitting T1 cruisers the norm in pvp? Quote: there are ships that can pop you before you even get under their guns with your AB. the blasters are nice to have because there are times when ure not being primaried an it's nice to be able to dish out some extra dps. In my experience (very limited, I know) MWD or AB still requires good kiting to get in with minimal damage. And doesn't flying solo mean you are always primaried? But anyway, I like this discussion, because personally I am still on the fence with AFs and the AB/MWD dilemma....
UMEE	Posted - 2009.02.27 05:12:00 - [32] yeah sorry, i keep mixing up solo and gang, simply cuz flying solo really limits who you engage. i do see the AB as more effective in 'solo' situations because you'll probably be pirating, right? i.e. engaging people loaded out for PVE. in that case, the AB rocks. im saying in real pvp situations, well flown and well setup cruisers can really nullify your existence. fitting small guns on cruisers is fairly common. i wouldnt say it's the norm but many people do it. i like to fit 4 light neutrons on my vexor for example. fitting small instead of medium guns allows for a much stronger tank, and gives u that frig-killer flavour. scram range is about the same as web range, yes. if youre tackling large targets in your ishkur and operate in a gang, it's useful to fit a disruptor so youre outside of scram and web range. if youre doing the solo thing...I really dont think it matters. it's hard for me to visualize AF's as good solo ships, against pvp-ready targets. for ganking some ratter in a belt, anything is viable lol.
Brego Tralowski Gallente	Posted - 2009.02.27 06:30:00 - [33] I fly solo most of the time and most of my kills are done solo. Solo is still viable post QR. I always fit an AB on my Ishkur its a great solo ship and can be feared, its drone bay is a real bonus. I normally rat and let the PvP find me and I guess expecting that im fit for PvE normally gets people to engage me first thus allowing me to engage. A Wolf did this about 4 days ago but I managed to kill him, was a close fight but i managed to get the upper hand on him. Solo is not dead! -----------------------------------------------
Th0rG0d Caldari Pilots From Honour	Posted - 2009.02.27 15:28:00 - [34] Originally by: UMEE i like to fit 4 light neutrons on my vexor for example. fitting small instead of medium guns allows for a much stronger tank, and gives u that frig-killer flavour. I don't know why I haven't thought of that. I am going to have to try that.... Drones to the heavy work, turrets pick up the pieces... Thanks
Streikeer	Posted - 2009.02.28 07:59:00 - [35] Any comments? Originally by: Streikeer Why not drop the small rep and add a MFS II? Even at the expense of loseing the small NOS. Lows I was considering: EANM II DCU II MFS II or EANM II Explos Hard II (really don't like this one hate to drop the DCU II) MFS II or Explos. Hard. II DCU II MFS II
Navy SWO	Posted - 2009.04.02 19:07:00 - [36] With wormholes now, I am playing with a fit that allows me to solo explore and still take on Sleepers. I have used it in a wormhole, but no engagement with Sleepers yet. Since I need to fit a Core Probe Launcher and a Codebreaker for RADAR sites (my requirement), here is my fit: 3x Lt Neutron Blaster II (Cald Nav AM) 1x Core Probe Launcher 1x Code Breaker I 1x 1MN AB II 1x Stasis Web II 1x DC II 1x SAR II 1x Energized Reactive Membrane II 1x Hybrid Burst Aerator I (not required due to cost, but drops the DPS from 201 to 189) It fits with my skills (most at V) and based on EFT it hits for a combined 201 DPS with 7700 EHP. Fitting that probe launcher precludes a NOS and the codebreaker robs 1/3 of my mid slots as well. The web is to help with the DPS on the faster NPCs. It is cap stable with the SAR and codebreaker off, and reaches 866 m/s. The intent is to rep armor when in a safe spot or in an emergency. I carry 5x each of Warrior II and Hobgob II. Again, this is for wormhole ops, not PvP. Thanks.
UMEE Tactical Initiative Dark Cadre	Posted - 2009.04.03 05:15:00 - [37] my ishkur got instapopped by 3-4 syrius sentries before i could warp out. you cant sig tank or speed tank sleepers.
Laur Khal	Posted - 2009.04.03 16:19:00 - [38] Originally by: UMEE fitting small guns on cruisers is fairly common. i wouldnt say it's the norm but many people do it. i like to fit 4 light neutrons on my vexor for example. fitting small instead of medium guns allows for a much stronger tank, and gives u that frig-killer flavour. fitting small blasters on a vexor makes little sense when you have almost certainly have Warrior IIs in your drone bay and a bonus to medium blasters which still track better than frigate-sized railguns. even 1 or 2 med blasters would do more damage than 4x small blasters.
Liang Nuren No Salvation PuPPet MasTers	Posted - 2009.04.03 17:00:00 - [39] Originally by: Laur Khal Originally by: UMEE fitting small guns on cruisers is fairly common. i wouldnt say it's the norm but many people do it. i like to fit 4 light neutrons on my vexor for example. fitting small instead of medium guns allows for a much stronger tank, and gives u that frig-killer flavour. fitting small blasters on a vexor makes little sense when you have almost certainly have Warrior IIs in your drone bay and a bonus to medium blasters which still track better than frigate-sized railguns. even 1 or 2 med blasters would do more damage than 4x small blasters. Even if they tracked far better than frigate railguns, they'd have a larger sig resolution. The kick in the nuts is that the two are multiplicative in nature - the formula (which I'm sure someone will happily provide since I don't have a copy at my desk right now) looks something like: max(Sig/Resolution, 1) * radial_velocity. Uh, that said, I know that a 1600 plated small blaster Vexor is not that uncommon of a setup. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org
UMEE Tactical Initiative Dark Cadre	Posted - 2009.04.03 17:28:00 - [40] there are two vexor setups that perform well in pvp: - light guns, buffer tank, mwd, tackle mids - heavy neutron II's, AB, MFSII's in lows, tackle mids or TD's the latter is a comedy gank fit, which does 700 dps. it's like paper, but if you're left alone (say in a BS gang) you can do immense damage. in-between setups dont work...you give up too much dps, or too much tank

Ashina Sito Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2009.04.03 18:21:00 - [41] Originally by: Navy SWO Edited by: Navy SWO on 02/04/2009 19:19:27 With wormholes now, I am playing with a fit that allows me to solo explore and still take on Sleepers. I have used it in a wormhole, but no engagement with Sleepers yet. Since I need to fit a Core Probe Launcher and a Codebreaker for RADAR sites (my requirement), here is my fit: 3x Lt Neutron Blaster II (Cald Nav AM) 1x Core Probe Launcher 1x Code Breaker I 1x 1MN AB II 1x Stasis Web II 1x DC II 1x SAR II 1x Energized Reactive Membrane II 1x Hybrid Burst Aerator I (not required due to cost, but drops the DPS from 201 to 189) It fits with my skills (most at V) and based on EFT it hits for a combined 201 DPS with 7700 EHP. Fitting that probe launcher precludes a NOS and the codebreaker robs 1/3 of my mid slots as well. The web is to help with the DPS on the faster NPCs. It is cap stable with the SAR and codebreaker off, and reaches 866 m/s. The intent is to rep armor when in a safe spot or in an emergency. I carry 5x each of Warrior II and Hobgob II. No special implants or faction mods to keep the cost down and keep it semi-disposable. Better AB would be a big help but $$$. Again, this is for wormhole ops, not PvP. Thanks. I have fought sleepers (high sec WH's) with close to this set up. Drop a Blaster and add the Neut. It lets you be cap stable with the AB on and you can speed tank the BS Sentrys that way. Replace the web with a scram. It will turn off the MWD of the ships and if they are not MWDing you can orbit them easily. The down side is that you DPS is low and taking own a BS becomes a 20 minute affair. I AFKed it and did not lose the ship or any drones. Up side is that you look like a PvE ship and still have enough bite to kill smaller targets or simply force a draw vs larger.
Lusian	Posted - 2009.04.04 18:31:00 - [42] Typically I will use my ishkur in a gang and fit th efollowing. Highs = Ion IIx3 meds disrupter II dcram II and catalysed Lows = marII reacive II and maybe a dcu or a nanofiber for the extra speed. light ecm x5 - warrior II's x5 assumeing you have AF lvl V you can get 50me of drone space. But I usually don't take it soloing, although I should.
Kessiaan Minmatar MicroFunks	Posted - 2009.04.04 19:02:00 - [43] Edited by: Kessiaan on 04/04/2009 19:04:56 I've been having great success lately with this fit.. Ishkur, lolwhat High: 3x 125mm Railgun II (FN Iridium Charge S) Small Remote Armor Repair System I (offline) Mid: Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcject Thrusters Warp Disruptor II Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor Low: DC II SAR II Capacitor Power Relay II Rig: 2x CCC I Drone: 10x Warrior II Very cap intensive, needs cap implants to really work well. Even with the increased sig heavies still just bounce off (I'm as big as cruiser but going 10 times faster than one), most people who shoot light missiles at me will use kinetic missiles which is the Ishkur's highest resist and it still goes fast enough to mitigate quite a bit of the damage. Warrior IIs are the only drones that can keep up with it and even those will have severe issues if I overheat the MWD, and if all else fails I can always run away. Overheated MWD + overheated point lets me manage to kill most interceptors that engage me, so long as I time my final approach / break from orbit correctly. TD keeps my drones safe from gunners and confuses the hell out of most people, which buys me more time to pewpew them. It's also very gang friendly, can jump in to a gang and do tackle duty almost as well as an interceptor, while being a lot tougher than one as well as being able to bring its TD to bear. Good little ship. Kind of spendy but it doesn't pop very often.
UMEE Tactical Initiative Dark Cadre	Posted - 2009.04.04 22:34:00 - [44] Originally by: Kessiaan Edited by: Kessiaan on 04/04/2009 19:04:56 I've been having great success lately with this fit.. Ishkur, lolwhat High: 3x 125mm Railgun II (FN Iridium Charge S) Small Remote Armor Repair System I (offline) Mid: Catalyzed Cold-Gas I Arcject Thrusters Warp Disruptor II Balmer Series Targeting Inhibitor Low: DC II SAR II Capacitor Power Relay II Rig: 2x CCC I Drone: 10x Warrior II Very cap intensive, needs cap implants to really work well. Even with the increased sig heavies still just bounce off (I'm as big as cruiser but going 10 times faster than one), most people who shoot light missiles at me will use kinetic missiles which is the Ishkur's highest resist and it still goes fast enough to mitigate quite a bit of the damage. Warrior IIs are the only drones that can keep up with it and even those will have severe issues if I overheat the MWD, and if all else fails I can always run away. Overheated MWD + overheated point lets me manage to kill most interceptors that engage me, so long as I time my final approach / break from orbit correctly. TD keeps my drones safe from gunners and confuses the hell out of most people, which buys me more time to pewpew them. It's also very gang friendly, can jump in to a gang and do tackle duty almost as well as an interceptor, while being a lot tougher than one as well as being able to bring its TD to bear. Good little ship. Kind of spendy but it doesn't pop very often. very nice fit. doesnt really do any dps (AF dps = meh), but can 1)tackle 2)kill inties


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