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Ms Delerium
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Posted - 2009.02.22 22:05:00 -
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1- Deploy a jetcan in his face, rename it to "X is a macrominer" being X his nickname.
2- send him a eve mail to warn him about this (set your CSPA charge to 0 so he will be free to reply).
3- repeat for some minutes
4- nothing? k, send a new mail, warning him about a really hard petition against him for using a macro
5 - still no reactions but he is flying back and forth to station? It is demonstrated that we are dealing with a macroer.
6 - http://www.evekb.org/reporting.php
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.22 22:33:00 -
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So someone refusing to reply to your harassment is a macro-miner?
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Mrs Brokker
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Posted - 2009.02.22 22:41:00 -
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So by your analogy, anyone who goes afk while mining is a macro-er?
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Kirra Liu
Echelon Holdings
Echelon.
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Posted - 2009.02.22 22:46:00 -
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If someone started mailing me asking if I was a macro-miner or accusing me of such then I would ignore them, then laugh as they spend their time focused on me while I am actually playing the game and making isk.
There was a guy a few weeks ago asking people in local to speak or else they were macro's. I asked him wtf was he doing and why, his response was along the lines of "well you aren't a macro as you replied", what a tit 
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Aerik Erwi
Caldari
Erwi-Sora Enterprises
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Posted - 2009.02.22 22:52:00 -
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There is the very slim chance he's running with his chat window minimized. I've done it many times when the system or NPC corp chat was just plain "mentally challenged". There is no sound notification or pop-up when receiving a private message, so that can be missed. I'm pretty sure though that somebody flying back and forth from the belt to a station and not communicating when contacted is probably a macro miner. When I go AFK for something like a bio break or to get a drink, my strip miners will be cycling or I'll have docked to unload. With my newish 24" monitor there's no need to minimize chat, and I like to keep an eye out for reports of can flippers.
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Tasko Pal
Heron Corporation
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Posted - 2009.02.22 23:40:00 -
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There's a simpler solution. You and a buddy fly up in gank-fitted brutixes and suicide attack the suspect. If the suspect's ship blows up, then the pilot must have been a macrominer. I just don't see why people make these determinations so complex and time consuming.
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Baka Lakadaka
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.02.23 02:06:00 -
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 Originally by: Ms Delerium
1- Deploy a jetcan in his face, rename it to "X is a macrominer" being X his nickname.
2- send him a eve mail to warn him about this (set your CSPA charge to 0 so he will be free to reply).
3- repeat for some minutes
4- nothing? k, send a new mail, warning him about a really hard petition against him for using a macro
5 - still no reactions but he is flying back and forth to station? It is demonstrated that we are dealing with a macroer.
6 - http://www.evekb.org/reporting.php
So by your definition, the following people are macrominers:
1) Those that have turned off or ignore the flashy eve-mail icon thing because they get 50 per day and don't want to read every one within a few minutes.
2) Those that get up to grab another beer and get distracted by their wife/child for more than a few minutes.
3) Those that just ignore eve-mails from people they don't know because they assume it's another ISK seller.
4) The guy that's busy dual boxing and has got into a fight on his other character.
Simply being ignored doesn't warrant you labelling someone unfairly.
Don't get me wrong, I hate macro miners, but if you unfairly labelled me or one of my friends (or anyone else who happens to be innocent for that matter) without reasonable proof, then I'd hate your more.
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Dreamwalker
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Posted - 2009.02.23 05:26:00 -
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Get into a BC, insure it, fit t1 crap mods, use a some faction ammo.
BLOW THEM UP
Then in 5 mins go and loot their ship, if all the loot is there then they are a macro miner, if their loot is gone and your loot is gone well tough luck.
Originally by: CCP Whisper
Local chat in known 0.0, low sec and empire space will remain as it is today, in all it's insta-intel giving, afk cloaker panic inducing, jita trade spamming glory.
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Steve Thomas
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Posted - 2009.02.23 05:57:00 -
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you left out
7) anyone who diagrees with me is a macro miner
8) anyone who Agrees with me is a macro miner whos trying to sucker me into thinking they are not by replying to this thread
9) anyone who read this and does not reply is a macro miner
10) anyone who does not read this is a macro miner
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Kery Nysell
Caldari
Nysell Incorporated
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Posted - 2009.02.23 10:13:00 -
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Ehhe ...
If someone drops a can in front of me while I'm mining, I think he's a can flipper and a griefer ... not only do I ignore him, but I also tend to "block" him, note his name, and warm my mining friends about a possible thief ...
So, your marvelous technique to detect macrominers would get you a report for griefing on my part ... kinda counter-productive, don't you think ?
Oh, and yes, when I mine I tend to read a book/browse forums between cycles, so it's quite possible that I won't respond for maybe 5 minutes ... and I'm not a macroer ...
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MilowFV
Echo Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.23 10:39:00 -
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Dam I must be a macro miner because I know I woudnt have reply to you.
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Jonathan Calvert
Minmatar
Empire Mining and Trade
eXponential maXimum
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Posted - 2009.02.23 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Kirra Liu
If someone started mailing me asking if I was a macro-miner or accusing me of such then I would ignore them, then laugh as they spend their time focused on me while I am actually playing the game and making isk.
There was a guy a few weeks ago asking people in local to speak or else they were macro's. I asked him wtf was he doing and why, his response was along the lines of "well you aren't a macro as you replied", what a tit
What would you have us do otherwise, just start suiciding people? Leave macros alone? Some of us are ****ed that in certain systems players are using automated software to mine 23/7, thus gaining an unfair advantage, and reducing the ore for EULA abiding players. As such we spend our timem, isk, and sec status, not to mention reputation, trying to rid EVE of these players so that YOU can have more ore. How about a little cooperation and gratitude?
To address the OP, dumb idea. People afk mine. Youre best bet is to watch them for a few days to determine if they are following a script.
-online 23/7
-npc corp, no bio, no employment history, no standing
-crap fit
-inefficient mining (no hauler, mine dock mine dock)
-crap fit, t1 lasers etc
-no talk ever
-no response to inquiries, bumping, theft, suicide gank
-follows mining routine with inhuman precision
If this is you, and you are a legit player, I suggest you make some friends with the locals quick, or you are going to lose a ship.
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Julia Venatrix
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Posted - 2009.02.23 14:36:00 -
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Originally by: Tasko Pal
There's a simpler solution. You and a buddy fly up in gank-fitted brutixes and suicide attack the suspect. If the suspect's ship blows up, then the pilot must have been a macrominer. I just don't see why people make these determinations so complex and time consuming.
Threadwinner. Anything else is just overegging the pudding.
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Irish Blend
Caldari
10045th Logistics Battalion
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Posted - 2009.02.23 15:00:00 -
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Mods, can we have this trolling thread locked and the conversation moved to http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=273924
I like cats, especially with General Tso's sauce
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Sun Clausewitz
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Posted - 2009.02.23 17:47:00 -
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Originally by: Tasko Pal
There's a simpler solution. You and a buddy fly up in gank-fitted brutixes and suicide attack the suspect. If the suspect's ship blows up, then the pilot must have been a macrominer. I just don't see why people make these determinations so complex and time consuming.
It's a witch!!! Let's drown her, if she lives she's a witch, if she dies, we send an apology to her family and move on to the next suspect.
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Imertu Solientai
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Posted - 2009.02.23 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: Baka Lakadaka
So by your definition, the following people are macrominers:
1) Those that have turned off or ignore the flashy eve-mail icon thing because they get 50 per day and don't want to read every one within a few minutes.
2) Those that get up to grab another beer and get distracted by their wife/child for more than a few minutes.
3) Those that just ignore eve-mails from people they don't know because they assume it's another ISK seller.
4) The guy that's busy dual boxing and has got into a fight on his other character.
Simply being ignored doesn't warrant you labelling someone unfairly.
Don't get me wrong, I hate macro miners, but if you unfairly labelled me or one of my friends (or anyone else who happens to be innocent for that matter) without reasonable proof, then I'd hate you more.
edit:fixed spelling
1) If you do this then you run the risk of making someone think you are ignoring them (you are). Don't be surprised in eve if doing this angers some people and makes them more likely to attack you.
2) Unless they are running a macro they won't be warping while afk.
3) see 1
4) see 2
Eve is harsh. Anyone can do anything to anyone else at any time and the only defence against it is your own brain (or lack thereof). They don't even have to have a valid reason. If you're dealing with genuine macro hunters then contact them later and explaining why you were warping around while ignoring eve mails and private messages, with any luck they will reimburse you. If you are attacked by someone just out to gank you, then feel free to claim you weren't a macro, but it's unlikely it will change their attitude.
tl;dr - You don't need an excuse to kill people - Blowing up miners 'just in case' is encouraged.
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shady trader
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Posted - 2009.02.23 19:41:00 -
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You assume that people have jet cans shown on overview (I normally don't have any cans shown to cut down on the recruitment spam then traveling), are reading local ( I am normally reading help or blueprints as they tend to be more interesting or I can help someone) and have there eve mail set to flash (I don't as I find it annoying). As for Sending the message good luck I hope you have a good sized wallet as its going to cost you a bit as my CSPA charge is at max).
I have players attack my barge as they think I am a macro due to the fact I would not respond to there annoying messages. They tend not to wonder that the target painter is for till they see the damage message from my main's ship then it warps in at almost perfect strike range with blasters and antimatter.
As someone else has said if you did this to me you would just be blocked as annoying.
You are also assuming that the player can read that you are saying they could well speak another language like German or one of the Russian players.
Some macro's are set to respond with a standard response then contacted or post in local, I encountered a group that posted scripted chat in local making it look like the group were real players, I know they were a macro as I managed to get hold of the operator then he checking on the accounts and admitted he was isk farming (added his chat to the partition log).
The only people who can definitively confirm a macro is CCP.
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Rakessh
Arachnea Phoenix Battalion
Xenotech Celestial Coalition
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Posted - 2009.02.23 22:04:00 -
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Edited by: Rakessh on 23/02/2009 22:04:47
If they are warping back and forth, cycling their strip miners while being occupied in the bathroom, or/and tending to their children or wife, or on vacation far away from their computer, and still making isk... chances are... they might be running a macro...
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Baka Lakadaka
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.02.23 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: Imertu Solientai
Originally by: Baka Lakadaka
So by your definition, the following people are macrominers:
1) Those that have turned off or ignore the flashy eve-mail icon thing because they get 50 per day and don't want to read every one within a few minutes.
2) Those that get up to grab another beer and get distracted by their wife/child for more than a few minutes.
3) Those that just ignore eve-mails from people they don't know because they assume it's another ISK seller.
4) The guy that's busy dual boxing and has got into a fight on his other character.
Simply being ignored doesn't warrant you labelling someone unfairly.
Don't get me wrong, I hate macro miners, but if you unfairly labelled me or one of my friends (or anyone else who happens to be innocent for that matter) without reasonable proof, then I'd hate you more.
edit:fixed spelling
1) If you do this then you run the risk of making someone think you are ignoring them (you are). Don't be surprised in eve if doing this angers some people and makes them more likely to attack you.
2) Unless they are running a macro they won't be warping while afk.
3) see 1
4) see 2
Eve is harsh. Anyone can do anything to anyone else at any time and the only defence against it is your own brain (or lack thereof). They don't even have to have a valid reason. If you're dealing with genuine macro hunters then contact them later and explaining why you were warping around while ignoring eve mails and private messages, with any luck they will reimburse you. If you are attacked by someone just out to gank you, then feel free to claim you weren't a macro, but it's unlikely it will change their attitude.
tl;dr - You don't need an excuse to kill people - Blowing up miners 'just in case' is encouraged.
I don't dispute any of that. I have no issue with people playing the game in their own way and if that includes blowing up miners, then that's fine, it's within the game mechanics and not up for dispute.
What I dispute is being labelled a macro miner without reasonable proof. The OP hasn't given any definitive method of proving someone's a macro miner, which is what the title promised.
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Ms Delerium
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Posted - 2009.02.24 00:29:00 -
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but notice the 5- HE IS SUPPOSED NOT TO BE AFK BUT HE IS!!! 
that excuse will never work, macromining users 
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.02.24 01:05:00 -
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I personally never have local up, so I never see posts in it. I tend to ignore other people unless they start actively shooting at me, in which case, I'll do my darnedest to stay alive long enough to watch CONCORD reign unholy hell down on them - because that amuses me for some perverse reason. I always visit my GSC's in the same order, both for mining and pickup. It's not called Macroing, it called Habit.
I have yet to read one of these "I'll tell you how to spot a macroer" threads that actually had any good advice.
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Baka Lakadaka
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.02.24 01:30:00 -
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Originally by: Ms Delerium
but notice the 5- HE IS SUPPOSED NOT TO BE AFK BUT HE IS!!!
that excuse will never work, macromining users
You don't have to be AFK to ignore mail.......it does help, but you CAN ignore mail while sitting at the keyboard. I do it all the time - I get plenty of Eve-mail; bills to be paid, ISK scammers, people commenting on the articles I write in Eve Tribune, corp mates, ex-corp mates, trade enquiries being answered, contract negotiations. Just because you put an eve-mail in my mail box and pop a can out nearby, doesn't mean I'm going to a) notice and/or b) respond.
You promised a definitive method for finding macro users, you haven't done so.
There are any number of situations where by your method you could label a perfectly innocent person as a macro user. I'm not saying you can't, or even shouldn't, blow them up. I'm saying you can't definitively prove they are a macro user with your method.
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wazzagrunt
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Posted - 2009.03.01 14:13:00 -
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and what if they just plain dont understand english
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Steve Thomas
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Posted - 2009.03.01 17:52:00 -
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most macro ops nowdays use mission roids because most people cant be arsed to scan down mission deadspace when they can just pester people in roidbelts
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Meatball Enema
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Posted - 2009.03.03 13:09:00 -
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I play other games while I mine and just pop in and out every 3-5 minutes to shuffle the extra rocks to the nearby can.
I wouldn't have noticed your emails either.
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Cedric Diggory
Perfunctory Oleaginous Laocoon Mugwumps
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Posted - 2009.03.03 13:34:00 -
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How to tell if it's a macro miner? Simple: it's a miner. If it's mining, it's either mentally challenged or cheating. Kill them.
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a) there are no conspiracies whatsoever
b) those who believe there are are nuts
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Zarda Sulan
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.03 13:50:00 -
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Best suggestion on this post is to get cheap ship and blow him up- its part of game mechanics - if they dont like what you did chances are you will get a response from a normal player cursing or lol'ing at you for destroying them or getting yourself shot up by concord.
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.03.03 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: Cedric Diggory
How to tell if it's an a**hat? Simple: it's suiganking noobs. If it's suiganking noobs, it's either mentally challenged or cheating. Kill it.
Your post had some typos. I fixed them. No need to thank me -- you're welcome.
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Aarin Wrath
Caldari
Quatidion
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2009.03.03 15:55:00 -
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Edited by: Aarin Wrath on 03/03/2009 16:02:27
Originally by: Jonathan Calvert
What would you have us do otherwise, just start suiciding people? Leave macros alone? Some of us are ****ed that in certain systems players are using automated software to mine 23/7, thus gaining an unfair advantage, and reducing the ore for EULA abiding players. As such we spend our timem, isk, and sec status, not to mention reputation, trying to rid EVE of these players so that YOU can have more ore. How about a little cooperation and gratitude?
How about petitioning them and letting CCP deal with it?
Shesh man its just a game. CCP has policies and procedures in place to deal with Macros. If you suspect a macro, petition him. It's as easy as that
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Tarinara
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Posted - 2009.03.03 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: De'Veldrin
I personally never have local up, so I never see posts in it. <snip>
Agreed. I hardly ever have local up. All that ISK spam and lolcat speak just makes my head hurt trying to decipher it. Sorry if I don't find your witty banter all that entertaining.
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I have yet to read one of these "I'll tell you how to spot a macroer" threads that actually had any good advice.
... maybe they should be labeled: "How to justify being a Gankwad and claim you're doing Eve a service"...
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