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mynnna
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.23 06:31:00 -
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I have witnessed an dichotomy that I can't quite wrap my tiny goonie brain around (heck I'm not quite sure what dichotomy means, that IS the right word...right?) And, thus, in my desperation, I present it to you, the honourable citizens of COAD.
On multiple instances, pilots of Kengoku and its allies have accused its attackers (ie, us) and our allies of being blobbers, a napfest, etc, and that this is the only reason we have had any sort of success, which of course we all know are minor, irrelevant victories that pale in the face of AAA overrunning our space.
And yet! In the recent front-page news article, Lady Scarlet, who's nigh-overwhelming presence is no doubt reassuring to Kengoku in these troubled times, said, and I quote
Quote: "They don't have enough people to accomplish their goal."
How can this be?!? We're winning due to numbers, but we don't have the numbers to win?! It just makes no sense to me!
Discuss! No really, please help me understand this.
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Xiut
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.23 06:33:00 -
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Huzzah!!!
Point, match.
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Moostang
Gallente DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.23 06:33:00 -
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Drive on a parkway... Park on a driveway...
Moostang Co-CEO Darkstar 1 Goonswarm
Priceless Necro Thread |
mynnna
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.23 06:34:00 -
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Originally by: Xiut Huzzah!!!
Point, match.
Look xiut you're a goon too so this confuses you just as much as me but can we PLEASE keep it constructive so that maybe we can finally understand?
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SavageBastard
Caldari Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.23 06:36:00 -
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While you're at it, feel free to explain this little gem:
Quote: LadyScarlet is an officer in Destructive Influence, a KenZoku corporation. She gave her perspective on the efforts to blockade KenZoku forces inside PR-8CA:
"If you mean are we locked [in], no. We still move at our own will. Of course, it all depends on whom you ask - everyone has an opinion on the matter. I like to think we are playing [this] our way, not by GoonSwarm's dictations.
So not being able to undock half your fleet while the other half moves all their expensive toys to empire to return in shuttles is "playing this [our] way?" So you had planned on having your cap fleet camped in? All those faction battleships and Marauders were scheduled to be sent to empire a long time ago I bet. Perhaps at the bbq?
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Ponderous Thunderstroke
Minmatar Republic War Machine Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.23 06:47:00 -
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Originally by: SavageBastard Edited by: SavageBastard on 23/02/2009 06:44:42
While you're at it, feel free to explain this little gem:
Quote: LadyScarlet is an officer in Destructive Influence, a KenZoku corporation. She gave her perspective on the efforts to blockade KenZoku forces inside PR-8CA:
"If you mean are we locked [in], no. We still move at our own will. Of course, it all depends on whom you ask - everyone has an opinion on the matter. I like to think we are playing [this] our way, not by GoonSwarm's dictations.
So not being able to undock half your fleet while the other half moves all their expensive toys to empire to return in shuttles is "playing this [our] way?" So you had planned on having your cap fleet camped in? All those faction battleships and Marauders were scheduled to be sent to empire a long time ago I bet. Perhaps at the bbq?
Let's be real here. Operation "Hope AAA Comes and Saves Us" is in full swing.
Poor, poor Lady Stockholm...she still thinks that they're controlling your game, because as we all know, Kenny is omni-impotence itself. ---
"PT, you are a complete and total jerk."
Yes. Yes I am.
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Lunas Feelgood
Gallente S.A.S Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.23 06:52:00 -
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Yes, Lady Scarlet, do indeed remind me of that funny irakian PR dude..
But you have to admire these self delusional PR tricks.. Seriously any other who has got such a huge beating the last year would just fold and admit they sucked.. But somehow the bob leadership still manage to hold onto its delusional act of being immortals..
Thats defiantly quite impressive. Im however abit confused if they actually belive that crap they are spouting or if it just good old fashion propaganda to keeps its members and pets in check..
Personally I think they belive everything they say is the truth, they have been lying so much to there members and themself that I doubt they even know what the truth is anymore..
Bob Highcommand:
We planned it all
BOB: Hey its unfair Goons killed all our pets and we are now outnumbered |
Orange Faeces
Minmatar THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.
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Posted - 2009.02.23 06:58:00 -
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As The Swarm takes delve and Kenny takes old g00n space, this will be the first ever intergalactic do-se-do! yeehaw! Footage Link
O. Faeces ---
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Xiut
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.23 07:00:00 -
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Lunas Feelgood speaks the truth.
The best part of Kenny reforming is that we get to utterly beat them. If they would of just disbanded after they lost sov, it woulda still been sweet but not as sweet as current events.
How is it possible to utterly beat an super elite alliance so badly? Just proves that they were not good to begin with.
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w00tle
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.23 07:21:00 -
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I guess when you're getting own so hard and fast it can be difficult to tell the fact from what you only wish was true:(
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Anita mann
Minmatar Jupiter Mining Corp.
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Posted - 2009.02.23 07:24:00 -
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Posting in the 133rd thread started today by a goon saying KFC sux.
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SirTrolle
Amarr Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2009.02.23 07:34:00 -
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you see without clearly defined winning conditions, winning or losing is in the eye of the beholder.
Therefore we are winning because I say we are.
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RynkarVertigo
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.23 07:34:00 -
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Quote: "They don't have enough people to accomplish their goal."
Its not so much "will we have enough people" as it is "will you have anyone left".
Delve sure was easy to defend then take back when you have cyno jammers and broken game mechanics to exploit.
Thanks to CCP for fixing things. Guess you weren't in with them as good as you thought eh Kenny?
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Omeega
Amarr The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.02.23 07:54:00 -
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googling "dichotomy" as we speak!
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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Bagdon
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.23 07:56:00 -
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Originally by: mynnna In the recent front-page news article
You read Fox News in space.
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Is forporn
Minmatar THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.
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Posted - 2009.02.23 07:57:00 -
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Originally by: Omeega googling "dichotomy" as we speak!
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Venomire
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.23 08:11:00 -
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Originally by: Anita mann Posting in the 133rd thread started today by a goon saying KFC sux.
We have been known to throw down for $100 of KFC from time to time.
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SlowMovingFisherman
Minmatar THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.
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Posted - 2009.02.23 08:27:00 -
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Originally by: Venomire
Originally by: Anita mann Posting in the 133rd thread started today by a goon saying KFC sux.
We have been known to throw down for $100 of KFC from time to time.
who, lady scarlet? thats kinda mean
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Crimson Justice
Gallente Demon Theory UNLeashed Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.23 09:17:00 -
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10 simple words and goons throw a fit.
Kenny sure knows how to push Bee-Buttons. |
Vincent Athen
Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.23 10:02:00 -
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Originally by: Crimson Justice 10 simple words and goons throw a fit.
Kenny sure knows how to push Bee-Buttons.
They sure are trolling us really hard by getting camped into NPC stations and claiming they're not.
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Crimson Justice
Gallente Demon Theory UNLeashed Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.23 10:45:00 -
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Are they camped in? Did Haargoth had a magical button sponsored by CCP that destroyed all clones they had?
If so: GOOD JOB! In other news: camping station, gates and shooting POSes for a week without a major engagement is FUN! Goons definetly won EVE.
Yesterday alone Goonswarm had roughly 180 kills. Thats 180 kills on a sunday, when its usually Pew Pew time. Someone call a brain-goon and make him calculate a kill/goon ratio, I think the numbers would be 180/5000 ?
In comparison, Triumvirate Mk3 did with less than 400 members total 174 kills, including two motherships.
But hey, as long as goons have colored excelsheets, its all good. |
w00tle
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.23 11:12:00 -
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Edited by: w00tle on 23/02/2009 11:13:24
Originally by: Crimson Justice Are they camped in? Did Haargoth had a magical button sponsored by CCP that destroyed all clones they had?
If so: GOOD JOB! In other news: camping station, gates and shooting POSes for a week without a major engagement is FUN! Goons definetly won EVE.
Yesterday alone Goonswarm had roughly 180 kills. Thats 180 kills on a sunday, when its usually Pew Pew time. Someone call a brain-goon and make him calculate a kill/goon ratio, I think the numbers would be 180/5000 ?
In comparison, Triumvirate Mk3 did with less than 400 members total 174 kills, including two motherships.
But hey, as long as goons have colored excelsheets, its all good.
Hmm yes lets ignore - for example - the day we killed a titan, an aeon, hanful of other caps, and hundreds of support, and killed 2-3 CSAA's (dont remember exact number). Let's ignor that because HEY IT DIDN'T HAPPEN ON THE SAME DAY.
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Curse YourFaith
Amarr THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.
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Posted - 2009.02.23 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: mynnna dichotomy
confirming using dichotomy in troll thread makes it look really important
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Crimson Justice
Gallente Demon Theory UNLeashed Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.23 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: w00tle Edited by: w00tle on 23/02/2009 11:13:24
Originally by: Crimson Justice Are they camped in? Did Haargoth had a magical button sponsored by CCP that destroyed all clones they had?
If so: GOOD JOB! In other news: camping station, gates and shooting POSes for a week without a major engagement is FUN! Goons definetly won EVE.
Yesterday alone Goonswarm had roughly 180 kills. Thats 180 kills on a sunday, when its usually Pew Pew time. Someone call a brain-goon and make him calculate a kill/goon ratio, I think the numbers would be 180/5000 ?
In comparison, Triumvirate Mk3 did with less than 400 members total 174 kills, including two motherships.
But hey, as long as goons have colored excelsheets, its all good.
Hmm yes lets ignore - for example - the day we killed a titan, an aeon, hanful of other caps, and hundreds of support, and killed 2-3 CSAA's (dont remember exact number). Let's ignor that because HEY IT DIDN'T HAPPEN ON THE SAME DAY.
Yea, because killing CSAA's is alot more FUN than killing any other POS off. When destroyed it makes a rainbow-like animation, which totally pays off the countless hours of shooting a static object, because thats what EVE is about! w00pw00p ^^
Also, just for giggles lets scale up the numbers of TRI, so we argue on the goon-logic level with each other.
400 Tri kill 174 ships, incl. 2 MS on one day 5000 Tri would kill 2175 ships, incl. 25 motherships on one day
Now, after applying that highly sophisticated goon-logic-math, would you please show me a killboard link where you killed 25 motherships on one day, along with over 2000 other kills? |
Max Mekker
Caldari Viper Intel Squad Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.02.23 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Crimson Justice Yea, because killing CSAA's is alot more FUN than killing any other POS off. When destroyed it makes a rainbow-like animation, which totally pays off the countless hours of shooting a static object, because thats what EVE is about! w00pw00p ^^
Also, just for giggles lets scale up the numbers of TRI, so we argue on the goon-logic level with each other
Confirming Goons are losing because they arent having fun. Also confirming that Goons arent killing as much as they should.
Because killing baby titans (Sorry, 'Nyx's') isnt fun And maybe they arent killing enough because... well.. KFC won't really fight them.
Hey, hows that Delve Sov map looking?
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Crimson Justice
Gallente Demon Theory UNLeashed Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.23 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Max Mekker
Because killing baby titans (Sorry, 'Nyx's') isnt fun And maybe they arent killing enough because... well.. KFC won't really fight them.
To be serious for a brief moment: Do you really get the same kick out of aborting a subcap in CSAA as you'd get from killing it off in a real fight - you know, when it can shoot back?
As for your second statement: if you are a ManU fan in a subway and at one of the stations midway you see 120 Liverpool fans, taunting you and making fun of your beloved ManU ... leaving that subway to pick a fight with them does not make you a hero - it makes you a ******.
If BoB/Kenny would undock / clonejump back to Delve, they'd give the NAPtrain EXACTLY what they want, pew pew and legitimate reasons to boast on the forums. By not doing that, Goons have to celebrate shooting POS modules, which is like cool and amazing, really. |
Max Mekker
Caldari Viper Intel Squad Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.02.23 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Crimson Justice
To be serious for a brief moment: Do you really get the same kick out of aborting a subcap in CSAA as you'd get from killing it off in a real fight - you know, when it can shoot back?
One titan kill, several MS's and numerous caps. AND CSAAs. So yeah, they have done both.
Originally by: Crimson Justice As for your second statement: if you are a ManU fan in a subway and at one of the stations midway you see 120 Liverpool fans, taunting you and making fun of your beloved ManU ... leaving that subway to pick a fight with them does not make you a hero - it makes you a ******.
If BoB/Kenny would undock / clonejump back to Delve, they'd give the NAPtrain EXACTLY what they want, pew pew and legitimate reasons to boast on the forums. By not doing that, Goons have to celebrate shooting POS modules, which is like cool and amazing, really.
Lets be honest with each other here. No smack, no meanness. Just truth. If the situations were reversed and it was the Goons ****caged in station or in empire or not logging on, you wouldnt be saying 'Wow, the Goonies are doing the smart thing by not attacking'. There would be much lulz and calls of cowardice. I will agree that Kenny shouldnt attack the forces in Delve, simply because they will get their head handed to them. But it isnt a numbers game. KFC on paper have as many pilots as the invaders, they just cant seem to get them on.
So again, lets be honest. They are going to lose Delve. Their 'strategy', whilst it may save them ships, does open them up to mockery. Especially with all the chest beating they have done in the past. And I am sure if the situations were reversed, you could use that exact statement for the Goons. But the situation is what it is. *shrug*
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nikhan
Amarr Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.23 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: mynnna I have witnessed an dichotomy that I can't quite wrap my tiny goonie brain around (heck I'm not quite sure what dichotomy means, that IS the right word...right?) And, thus, in my desperation, I present it to you, the honourable citizens of COAD.
On multiple instances, pilots of Kengoku and its allies have accused its attackers (ie, us) and our allies of being blobbers, a napfest, etc, and that this is the only reason we have had any sort of success, which of course we all know are minor, irrelevant victories that pale in the face of AAA overrunning our space.
And yet! In the recent front-page news article, Lady Scarlet, who's nigh-overwhelming presence is no doubt reassuring to Kengoku in these troubled times, said, and I quote
Quote: "They don't have enough people to accomplish their goal."
How can this be?!? We're winning due to numbers, but we don't have the numbers to win?! It just makes no sense to me!
Discuss! No really, please help me understand this.
Originally by: Akino Sakura Goonswarm is nothing more then a bunch of backward ******s that need to be lined up and shot to make the world a better place.
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Crimson Justice
Gallente Demon Theory UNLeashed Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.23 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: Max Mekker
Lets be honest with each other here. No smack, no meanness. Just truth.
Sounds good to me.
Originally by: Max Mekker
If the situations were reversed and it was the Goons ****caged in station or in empire or not logging on, you wouldnt be saying 'Wow, the Goonies are doing the smart thing by not attacking'. There would be much lulz and calls of cowardice.
Tbh it would depend on a single factor. Would BoB come alone and do that to Goons or not. If BoB could muster 10k pilots like the ****train in Delve does atm, then no - there would be no foundation to mock the goons for doing the smart thing. If BoB came alone and did that to the Goons, I don't see how mockery wouldn't be justified.
Originally by: Max Mekker
KFC on paper have as many pilots as the invaders, they just cant seem to get them on.
I am pretty sure just seconds ago you mentioned something about "the truth". Saying KFC has the numbers of the invaders is stretching the truth by impressive margins. Using the "on paper" idiom, Goons are the largest force in EVE and wouldn't need a single ally. Yet they bring 2800 Morsus Mihi, 2000 Razor pilots and so on along for the ride. We both know thats not how EVE works. The invaders can field a thousand pilots at any given time in any system in delve from the looks of it. There is not a single alliance/coalition in EVE that can fight that.
I understand that there is this opening for mockery and that given what BoB has done in the past there is even a justification of it. But its not the epic war people make it out to be. It has more of a feeling like China waging war against Taiwan. |
Max Mekker
Caldari Viper Intel Squad Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.02.23 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Crimson Justice
Tbh it would depend on a single factor. Would BoB come alone and do that to Goons or not. If BoB could muster 10k pilots like the ****train in Delve does atm, then no - there would be no foundation to mock the goons for doing the smart thing. If BoB came alone and did that to the Goons, I don't see how mockery wouldn't be justified. I am pretty sure just seconds ago you mentioned something about "the truth". Saying KFC has the numbers of the invaders is stretching the truth by impressive margins. Using the "on paper" idiom, Goons are the largest force in EVE and wouldn't need a single ally. Yet they bring 2800 Morsus Mihi, 2000 Razor pilots and so on along for the ride. We both know thats not how EVE works. The invaders can field a thousand pilots at any given time in any system in delve from the looks of it. There is not a single alliance/coalition in EVE that can fight that.
I understand that there is this opening for mockery and that given what BoB has done in the past there is even a justification of it. But its not the epic war people make it out to be. It has more of a feeling like China waging war against Taiwan.
So Bob is getting blobbed. Weren't they one of the ones who pioneered blobbing? So bob got disbanded by a hole in alliance mechanics. Again, weren't they one of the pioneers of exploiting bugs?
As for numbers, what about Kenny's 'allies'? Are we not including them?
Yes, the way EVE is now, it seems to be not what YOU can bring to the field, but what YOU and you ALLIES can bring. If we wanted to consider this from a roleplay standpoint (Hi Jade!) that makes sense. Rarely are wars fought just by two countries. Has it gotten out of control? Possibly. But I seem to remember a certain former 'most powerful relentless alliance in EVE with the initials BoB' saying ADAPT or DIE. Clearly, Bob died. Kenny is currently dying. Will they ever completely die, of course not. Are they relevant to EVE anymore besides being a punchline, no.
To use your analogy, is it fair that China can bring more firepower than Taiwan? No. But then again, Taiwan shouldn't have given China a reason to attack. They did, they thought they could handle it and they can't. For good or bad, no matter what side you are on, we can all admit that this isn't done on a whim. Bob have burned a lot of bridges in game. They have garnered a lot of animosity. And now they are reaping what they have sown. And to play the Devil's Advocate, the same thing could be said of Goonswarm. Its possible the way EVE is that in 3 years we could be saying the same thing about Goonswarm or PL. You do things in game and there are consequences. These consequences might take years to show themselves... they are now.
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Al'Htaed
Minmatar Hug Nutz
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Posted - 2009.02.23 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: Crimson Justice
Originally by: w00tle Edited by: w00tle on 23/02/2009 11:13:24
Originally by: Crimson Justice Are they camped in? Did Haargoth had a magical button sponsored by CCP that destroyed all clones they had?
If so: GOOD JOB! In other news: camping station, gates and shooting POSes for a week without a major engagement is FUN! Goons definetly won EVE.
Yesterday alone Goonswarm had roughly 180 kills. Thats 180 kills on a sunday, when its usually Pew Pew time. Someone call a brain-goon and make him calculate a kill/goon ratio, I think the numbers would be 180/5000 ?
In comparison, Triumvirate Mk3 did with less than 400 members total 174 kills, including two motherships.
But hey, as long as goons have colored excelsheets, its all good.
Hmm yes lets ignore - for example - the day we killed a titan, an aeon, hanful of other caps, and hundreds of support, and killed 2-3 CSAA's (dont remember exact number). Let's ignor that because HEY IT DIDN'T HAPPEN ON THE SAME DAY.
Yea, because killing CSAA's is alot more FUN than killing any other POS off. When destroyed it makes a rainbow-like animation, which totally pays off the countless hours of shooting a static object, because thats what EVE is about! w00pw00p ^^
Also, just for giggles lets scale up the numbers of TRI, so we argue on the goon-logic level with each other.
400 Tri kill 174 ships, incl. 2 MS on one day 5000 Tri would kill 2175 ships, incl. 25 motherships on one day
Now, after applying that highly sophisticated goon-logic-math, would you please show me a killboard link where you killed 25 motherships on one day, along with over 2000 other kills?
So what you're saying is: Kenny can't bring it?
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Thomina Yorke
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.23 12:41:00 -
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"cognitive dissonance"
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w00tle
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.23 12:42:00 -
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Edited by: w00tle on 23/02/2009 12:43:07
Originally by: Crimson Justice
Originally by: Max Mekker
Lets be honest with each other here. No smack, no meanness. Just truth.
Sounds good to me.
Originally by: Max Mekker
If the situations were reversed and it was the Goons ****caged in station or in empire or not logging on, you wouldnt be saying 'Wow, the Goonies are doing the smart thing by not attacking'. There would be much lulz and calls of cowardice.
Tbh it would depend on a single factor. Would BoB come alone and do that to Goons or not. If BoB could muster 10k pilots like the ****train in Delve does atm, then no - there would be no foundation to mock the goons for doing the smart thing. If BoB came alone and did that to the Goons, I don't see how mockery wouldn't be justified.
Originally by: Max Mekker
KFC on paper have as many pilots as the invaders, they just cant seem to get them on.
I am pretty sure just seconds ago you mentioned something about "the truth". Saying KFC has the numbers of the invaders is stretching the truth by impressive margins. Using the "on paper" idiom, Goons are the largest force in EVE and wouldn't need a single ally. Yet they bring 2800 Morsus Mihi, 2000 Razor pilots and so on along for the ride. We both know thats not how EVE works. The invaders can field a thousand pilots at any given time in any system in delve from the looks of it. There is not a single alliance/coalition in EVE that can fight that.
I understand that there is this opening for mockery and that given what BoB has done in the past there is even a justification of it. But its not the epic war people make it out to be. It has more of a feeling like China waging war against Taiwan.
Someone actually added the number and it was pretty even for KFC vs Invaders. Also we dont "bring" our allies, the come if they want to. It's working out better than yelling at your pets and making them do the gruntwork.
Also your numbers comparisons of number of alliances member to kills is ******ed and doesn't factor in many things that make it wrong (in and out of corp industrial numbers, market alts, people unsubbed, etc).
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Alei Mulinitej
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.23 12:48:00 -
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in this thread, we argue that beating an alliance's face in really isn't that fun after all
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Thomina Yorke
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.23 12:49:00 -
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at the end of the day it isnt the regions you take or the ships you killed, but whether you had fun or not
this is a video game based on war and schadenfreude, and so whoever has the most fun at the expense of others is the winner
i'm having great fun finally taking delve because it's been a goal i've had in EVE for a long time
i'm not sure ken is having fun because they've played up "fortress delve" so much in the last few years that to lose it in such a way probably ****es them off quite a bit
and so goonswarm and the coalition is winning, not because they're taking delve, or that they killed all those ships and control towers, but that they're having a lot of fun at the extreme expense of ken, who are obviously not having fun
coalition: having fun ken: not having fun because of coalition
therefore coalition is winning eve
hope this helps you guys
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Crimson Justice
Gallente Demon Theory UNLeashed Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.23 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: Max Mekker
- clever reply -
I actually appreciate your point of view and understand your perspective on things. As for allies: beside EXE, which has at least the numbers, Kenny really doesn't have any that are involved in Delve, do they? Or are you seriously comparing Skunk-Works to PL? And does one EXE outweight Razor+RAWR?
Originally by: Al'Htaed So what you're saying is: Kenny can't bring it?
Thats exactly what I am saying.
Originally by: w00tle
Also your numbers comparisons of number of alliances member to kills is ******ed and doesn't factor in many things that make it wrong (in and out of corp industrial numbers, market alts, people unsubbed, etc).
As I said, it was calculated using goon-logic-math. If you find flaws in it, you clearly shouldn't be in goonswarm. |
Vile rat
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.23 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Crimson Justice
Originally by: Max Mekker
Because killing baby titans (Sorry, 'Nyx's') isnt fun And maybe they arent killing enough because... well.. KFC won't really fight them.
To be serious for a brief moment: Do you really get the same kick out of aborting a subcap in CSAA as you'd get from killing it off in a real fight - you know, when it can shoot back?
As for your second statement: if you are a ManU fan in a subway and at one of the stations midway you see 120 Liverpool fans, taunting you and making fun of your beloved ManU ... leaving that subway to pick a fight with them does not make you a hero - it makes you a ******.
If BoB/Kenny would undock / clonejump back to Delve, they'd give the NAPtrain EXACTLY what they want, pew pew and legitimate reasons to boast on the forums. By not doing that, Goons have to celebrate shooting POS modules, which is like cool and amazing, really.
We're living in their space. PR- has all the targets they would ever want, right in their home system! Our capital fleets roam their space destroying their infrastructure virtually (heh) unopposed. What else do you suggest we do to get a fight? Handicap ourselves? Are you suggesting the only way we'll get a fight out of them is to back off a bit and give them a chance to recover?
Maybe I'm suggesting that too!
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Crimson Justice
Gallente Demon Theory UNLeashed Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.23 13:21:00 -
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Originally by: Vile rat What else do you suggest we do to get a fight? Handicap ourselves? Are you suggesting the only way we'll get a fight out of them is to back off a bit and give them a chance to recover?
Maybe I'm suggesting that too!
You know what others do? They provoke a fight by giving the enemy a bloody nose, then wait for their response. What the Goons/NC did here are locking BoB into their basement and wondering why they don't come up.
I don't think anyone expects you to handicap yourselfs. For all I care, bring every pilot and their alts, even if the nodes crash every 5 minutes. But without an enemy present I don't understand how you classify it as "FUN".
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w00tle
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.23 13:26:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Crimson Justice
Originally by: Vile rat What else do you suggest we do to get a fight? Handicap ourselves? Are you suggesting the only way we'll get a fight out of them is to back off a bit and give them a chance to recover?
Maybe I'm suggesting that too!
You know what others do? They provoke a fight by giving the enemy a bloody nose, then wait for their response. What the Goons/NC did here are locking BoB into their basement and wondering why they don't come up.
I don't think anyone expects you to handicap yourselfs. For all I care, bring every pilot and their alts, even if the nodes crash every 5 minutes. But without an enemy present I don't understand how you classify it as "FUN".
I confirm: I don't 'GET' goons.
What you clearly don't "get" is 0.0 and PvP. And by the way nice Jade Constantine moment as you dismiss a valid argument you can't answer by saying "lol you're a goon"
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Ayman Zawahiri
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.23 13:27:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Crimson Justice
Originally by: Vile rat What else do you suggest we do to get a fight? Handicap ourselves? Are you suggesting the only way we'll get a fight out of them is to back off a bit and give them a chance to recover?
Maybe I'm suggesting that too!
You know what others do? They provoke a fight by giving the enemy a bloody nose, then wait for their response. What the Goons/NC did here are locking BoB into their basement and wondering why they don't come up.
I don't think anyone expects you to handicap yourselfs. For all I care, bring every pilot and their alts, even if the nodes crash every 5 minutes. But without an enemy present I don't understand how you classify it as "FUN".
I confirm: I don't 'GET' goons.
Oh no the game isn't fair. Life isn't fair. Things aren't fun because we aren't winning. What will we do now??!?
tl;dr: MY E-HONOR IS WOUNDED.
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Crimson Justice
Gallente Demon Theory UNLeashed Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.23 13:31:00 -
[41]
Originally by: w00tle What you clearly don't "get" is 0.0 and PvP. And by the way nice Jade Constantine moment as you dismiss a valid argument you can't answer by saying "lol you're a goon"
Oh I get PVP, trust me. It may have faded a bit, but when you have even numbers or are a bit outnumbered, I still get that rush from deciding "ok, we stay and fight right here". Shooting unfueled, defenseless POSes and their modules may be your version of PVP, its not mine.
As for the "valid argument": I assume you mean the thing with the numbers? I didn't thought I'd have to, but I will indeed spell it out: S-A-R-C-A-S-M, which (so I thought) was quite obvious if you had read the text I wrote and understood it. |
Ayman Zawahiri
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.23 13:37:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Crimson Justice
Originally by: w00tle What you clearly don't "get" is 0.0 and PvP. And by the way nice Jade Constantine moment as you dismiss a valid argument you can't answer by saying "lol you're a goon"
Oh I get PVP, trust me. It may have faded a bit, but when you have even numbers or are a bit outnumbered, I still get that rush from deciding "ok, we stay and fight right here". Shooting unfueled, defenseless POSes and their modules may be your version of PVP, its not mine.
As for the "valid argument": I assume you mean the thing with the numbers? I didn't thought I'd have to, but I will indeed spell it out: S-A-R-C-A-S-M, which (so I thought) was quite obvious if you had read the text I wrote and understood it.
Sometimes when I play street fighter IV and I start to win by too much i'll stop using block and just let the opponent hit me so I won't hurt their feelings. I feel way more manly when I beat people this way bro.
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Vincent Athen
Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.23 13:38:00 -
[43]
Edited by: Vincent Athen on 23/02/2009 13:37:59
Originally by: Crimson Justice
Originally by: w00tle What you clearly don't "get" is 0.0 and PvP. And by the way nice Jade Constantine moment as you dismiss a valid argument you can't answer by saying "lol you're a goon"
Oh I get PVP, trust me. It may have faded a bit, but when you have even numbers or are a bit outnumbered, I still get that rush from deciding "ok, we stay and fight right here". Shooting unfueled, defenseless POSes and their modules may be your version of PVP, its not mine.
As for the "valid argument": I assume you mean the thing with the numbers? I didn't thought I'd have to, but I will indeed spell it out: S-A-R-C-A-S-M, which (so I thought) was quite obvious if you had read the text I wrote and understood it.
Quick someone tell our fleets that these towers are unfueled. No worrying about reinforced mode anymore! Also they are defenseless. Feel free to warp fragile expensive ships to them, as they do not have guns like most POS do. ~~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~ ~
Allow me to space this post out with some more tildes to make it easy to understand. ~~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~ ~
Dismissing taking and holding space as not being PVP is rather telling of how little you do, in fact, "get". ~~~~~~ ~~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~ ~ -edit for more tildes-
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Crimson Justice
Gallente Demon Theory UNLeashed Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.23 13:39:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Ayman Zawahiri Sometimes when I play street fighter IV and I start to win by too much i'll stop using block and just let the opponent hit me so I won't hurt their feelings. I feel way more manly when I beat people this way bro.
You feel manly because of Street Fighter IV?
Also w00tle, with posts like this you really wonder why people dismiss arguments with "lol, you are goon" ? Really? I mean, really!? :sethmyers: |
Ayman Zawahiri
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.23 13:40:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Crimson Justice
Originally by: Ayman Zawahiri Sometimes when I play street fighter IV and I start to win by too much i'll stop using block and just let the opponent hit me so I won't hurt their feelings. I feel way more manly when I beat people this way bro.
You feel manly because of Street Fighter IV?
Also w00tle, with posts like this you really wonder why people dismiss arguments with "lol, you are goon" ? Really? I mean, really!? :sethmyers:
Oh man please don't be dismissive of my quality arguments. I wouldn't know what I would do then.
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Crimson Justice
Gallente Demon Theory UNLeashed Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.23 14:04:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Ayman Zawahiri Oh man please don't be dismissive of my quality arguments. I wouldn't know what I would do then.
Why don't you go Hadoken-Spam the computer-opponents in Street Fighter about it? |
w00tle
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.23 14:04:00 -
[47]
w00t
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Warrio
Caldari Southern Cross Incorporated Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.02.23 14:04:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Max Mekker
Originally by: Crimson Justice
Tbh it would depend on a single factor. Would BoB come alone and do that to Goons or not. If BoB could muster 10k pilots like the ****train in Delve does atm, then no - there would be no foundation to mock the goons for doing the smart thing. If BoB came alone and did that to the Goons, I don't see how mockery wouldn't be justified. I am pretty sure just seconds ago you mentioned something about "the truth". Saying KFC has the numbers of the invaders is stretching the truth by impressive margins. Using the "on paper" idiom, Goons are the largest force in EVE and wouldn't need a single ally. Yet they bring 2800 Morsus Mihi, 2000 Razor pilots and so on along for the ride. We both know thats not how EVE works. The invaders can field a thousand pilots at any given time in any system in delve from the looks of it. There is not a single alliance/coalition in EVE that can fight that.
I understand that there is this opening for mockery and that given what BoB has done in the past there is even a justification of it. But its not the epic war people make it out to be. It has more of a feeling like China waging war against Taiwan.
So Bob is getting blobbed. Weren't they one of the ones who pioneered blobbing? So bob got disbanded by a hole in alliance mechanics. Again, weren't they one of the pioneers of exploiting bugs?
As for numbers, what about Kenny's 'allies'? Are we not including them?
Yes, the way EVE is now, it seems to be not what YOU can bring to the field, but what YOU and you ALLIES can bring. If we wanted to consider this from a roleplay standpoint (Hi Jade!) that makes sense. Rarely are wars fought just by two countries. Has it gotten out of control? Possibly. But I seem to remember a certain former 'most powerful relentless alliance in EVE with the initials BoB' saying ADAPT or DIE. Clearly, Bob died. Kenny is currently dying. Will they ever completely die, of course not. Are they relevant to EVE anymore besides being a punchline, no.
To use your analogy, is it fair that China can bring more firepower than Taiwan? No. But then again, Taiwan shouldn't have given China a reason to attack. They did, they thought they could handle it and they can't. For good or bad, no matter what side you are on, we can all admit that this isn't done on a whim. Bob have burned a lot of bridges in game. They have garnered a lot of animosity. And now they are reaping what they have sown. And to play the Devil's Advocate, the same thing could be said of Goonswarm. Its possible the way EVE is that in 3 years we could be saying the same thing about Goonswarm or PL. You do things in game and there are consequences. These consequences might take years to show themselves... they are now.
If we all sit here reading your well thought out reply there'll be no time for irrelevant comparisons and outlandish claims.
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Jukhta Mein
Minmatar Thunderbolts
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Posted - 2009.02.23 14:06:00 -
[49]
I'm more interested in the Ken/Goon dichotomy, why are they always at odds with each other?
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Shinma Apollo
Caldari Shut Up And Play
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Posted - 2009.02.23 14:14:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Jukhta Mein I'm more interested in the Ken/Goon dichotomy, why are they always at odds with each other?
I may be wrong, but I believe the conflict stems from a personal feud. You see, The Mitanni is actually Richard simmons, and lady scarlet is...well, lady scarlet.
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Orange Faeces
Minmatar THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.
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Posted - 2009.02.23 14:49:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Crimson Justice Oh I get PVP, trust me. It may have faded a bit, but when you have even numbers or are a bit outnumbered, I still get that rush from deciding "ok, we stay and fight right here". Shooting unfueled, defenseless POSes and their modules may be your version of PVP, its not mine.
As for the "valid argument": I assume you mean the thing with the numbers? I didn't thought I'd have to, but I will indeed spell it out: S-A-R-C-A-S-M, which (so I thought) was quite obvious if you had read the text I wrote and understood it.
Backpeddling Detected!
THE INTERNET. hereby awards this thread to The Swarm!
oF ---
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Max Mekker
Caldari Viper Intel Squad Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.02.23 15:09:00 -
[52]
Edited by: Max Mekker on 23/02/2009 15:09:55 Edited by: Max Mekker on 23/02/2009 15:09:29
Originally by: Crimson Justice I actually appreciate your point of view and understand your perspective on things. As for allies: beside EXE, which has at least the numbers, Kenny really doesn't have any that are involved in Delve, do they? Or are you seriously comparing Skunk-Works to PL? And does one EXE outweight Razor+RAWR?
I am going to try to keep my replies as 'smack free' as possible and leave that to my wonderful goon allies.
NAPing, building friendships between alliances, etc is all part of the game. Its part of real life dynamics between major world forces. Diplomats exist in game for a reason. If Ken don't have the allies to help them or if they aren't 'quality' allies, whose fault is this? This is clearly a facet of the game that Bob/Ken has ignored.
It shouldnt be held against the 'anti-bob forces' that they have a common sense of purpose and the ability to get along with each other (whether its for as long as it takes to take delve or it extends longer then that.).
Ken put themselves in this situation. They accepted allies or corps which most people thought were below par. Which people thought were below par long before the Haargoth incident. Almost every single 'argument' that Ken or its allies can bring up, I can say logically that they brought it upon themselves.
Haargoth = Why do you have 'emo' inactive alts in your executive corp?
No allies showing up = You picked them.
Most of EVE against you = You burned those bridges and numerous posts said you relished being the 'underdog'.
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Crimson Justice
Gallente Demon Theory UNLeashed Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.23 15:28:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Max Mekker Almost every single 'argument' that Ken or its allies can bring up, I can say logically that they brought it upon themselves.
That chain of argumentation is a bit flawed thou, as its quite generic and its application (outside a MMO) makes that quite obvious I believe:
- People that drowned during a flood brought that on themselves - why did they had to live close to the shore? - People that get shot in a 24/7 grocery brought that on themselves - why don't they limit their shopping to daylight hours?
and so on.
People that get their (director) forums hacked simply didn't had security measures in place to prevent it. Corps that are victims of corp theft trust their members too much / are naive. So that argumentation can effectively be used to negate all the things people say made BoB so "evil" in their eyes. |
Ykatni
Gallente Black Nova Corp KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.02.23 15:35:00 -
[54]
Edited by: Ykatni on 23/02/2009 15:35:04
I wouldn't call it troubled times mate, more like interesting times.
On another note, I don't think dichotomy really fits. I think "Pest synergy" would be a better technical term to describe your group of merry men.
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Max Mekker
Caldari Viper Intel Squad Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.02.23 15:36:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Crimson Justice That chain of argumentation is a bit flawed thou, as its quite generic and its application (outside a MMO) makes that quite obvious I believe:
- People that drowned during a flood brought that on themselves - why did they had to live close to the shore? - People that get shot in a 24/7 grocery brought that on themselves - why don't they limit their shopping to daylight hours?and so on.
People that get their (director) forums hacked simply didn't had security measures in place to prevent it. Corps that are victims of corp theft trust their members too much / are naive. So that argumentation can effectively be used to negate all the things people say made BoB so "evil" in their eyes.
No, the argument isnt flawed at all.
This wasnt an act of god. This wasnt being in the wrong place at the wrong time. It also wasnt account hacking.
This was the former Bob entity making someone who was currently away from the game a director in their executive corp. Which he didnt need to be. This is a choice they made, to make X person a director. They know (or should have known) that anyone in their executive corp could disband the alliance and in that case, should have done the same thing they should have done with their allies. Screened better.
It was poor judgement on their part. It was lack of due diligence in checking in with Haargoth to see if things are cool. This was not a hurricane. This wasn't a robbery at a store. If you want to use an analogy:
One of your friends has a key to your place. Over time, you keep on upsetting him (for whatever reason). Eventually, he decides to open up your house and take all your stuff and let his other friends in to trash it. You gave him the key. You have no one to blame but yourself. (The You is obviously bob, not speaking to you personally, Crimson.)
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Crimson Justice
Gallente Demon Theory UNLeashed Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.23 15:53:00 -
[56]
Edited by: Crimson Justice on 23/02/2009 15:57:01
Originally by: Max Mekker This was the former Bob entity making someone who was currently away from the game a director in their executive corp. Which he didnt need to be. This is a choice they made, to make X person a director. They know (or should have known) that anyone in their executive corp could disband the alliance and in that case, should have done the same thing they should have done with their allies. Screened better.
It was poor judgement on their part. It was lack of due diligence in checking in with Haargoth to see if things are cool.
I don't think there is a screening process for emorage. I don't claim to know how things are in your corp / alliance or how your allies are holding up, but people get demotivated, angry, critical, depressed, annoyed in any kind of group that has "normal" group dynamics.
A fleet op doesn't go according to plan and everyone dies: people will get upset and maybe voice their anger/frustration. What are you supposed to do? Remove roles from everyone who ever voiced being unhappy with where the corp/ally is heading? This would effectively shut down any critical think process within the group, because of the fear of reprecussions (sp?).
In Haargoth's case I'd assume that he earned the trust of quite a few people to get a director role in BNC as well as the executor corp of the alliance. So even if they had asked Haargoth: "how do you feel?" - I doubt he would have told them: "well, I am emoraging right now and might disband the alliance, steal as many capitals and modules and bpos as possible, kick all corps, render your defenses useless and join the alliance we fought the last 2 years - oh, and I feel like ordering pizza, I am hungry".
All the goons who claim BoB got what they deserved when Haargoth betrayed them, because they didn't kiss his feet the whole time are trying to justify to themselves that they are now working hand in hand with such a person. "Yea, Haargoth isn't a backstabber - he got treated SOOO bad in BoB, that he effectively had to betray 2000+ players, no really - he did."
I wish an alliance would treat me THAT bad as well - including the director role, free access to assets and thus carefree PVP.
I've made friends myself in this game - and whilst its not a friendship that would qualify either of them to be my best man for example - I would entrust them some virtual possesions of mine, be it ships, a corp or an alliance. |
Seijitsu Nakama
Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.23 16:08:00 -
[57]
The trap has been sprung.
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Brobuck
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.23 16:10:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Crimson Justice
In Haargoth's case I'd assume that he earned the trust of quite a few people to get a director role in BNC as well as the executor corp of the alliance.
What do you base this assumption on? You assume BoB wouldn't make bad decisions based on their history of good decision making? When was the last time they made a good decision? MAX was a failure. Remember MC? Turning -A- into allies has backfired. Since remote DD went away, I can't recall a good strategic move by Kenny.
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FGxHalsey
Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.23 16:21:00 -
[59]
Edited by: FGxHalsey on 23/02/2009 16:21:44 I love how they call us a napfest and try to berate us for 'not going it alone' when the whole concept of the GBC was to have a bunch of allies/slaves to help them fight wars. vOv
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Himo Amasacia
Minmatar Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.23 16:52:00 -
[60]
Its been established several times that the KFC can bring more numbers than those desperately calling my side a "nap fest". Of the forces fighting in Delve, the KFC outnumbers is in Raw pilots they could bring and in stockpiled resources. In the first big battle in Delve in J-L you outnumbered us 600 to 500.
Your desperate clinging to memes is as delusional as it is hilarious. Quit making pathetic excuses and undock.
"Constant practice devoted to one subject often outdoes both intelligence and skill." -Cicero |
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Max Mekker
Caldari Viper Intel Squad Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.02.23 16:52:00 -
[61]
Edited by: Max Mekker on 23/02/2009 16:53:13
Originally by: Crimson Justice
In Haargoth's case I'd assume that he earned the trust of quite a few people to get a director role in BNC as well as the executor corp of the alliance. So even if they had asked Haargoth: "how do you feel?" - I doubt he would have told them: "well, I am emoraging right now and might disband the alliance, steal as many capitals and modules and bpos as possible, kick all corps, render your defenses useless and join the alliance we fought the last 2 years - oh, and I feel like ordering pizza, I am hungry".
All the goons who claim BoB got what they deserved when Haargoth betrayed them, because they didn't kiss his feet the whole time are trying to justify to themselves that they are now working hand in hand with such a person. "Yea, Haargoth isn't a backstabber - he got treated SOOO bad in BoB, that he effectively had to betray 2000+ players, no really - he did."
I wish an alliance would treat me THAT bad as well - including the director role, free access to assets and thus carefree PVP.
I've made friends myself in this game - and whilst its not a friendship that would qualify either of them to be my best man for example - I would entrust them some virtual possesions of mine, be it ships, a corp or an alliance.
Again, this is Bob's due diligence. How many people do you need in an exec corp anyway?
As for a screening process... Yes, Haargoth could be a master actor and just play it cool. However, he could also have complained time and time again and no one take him seriously. Or he could have never said a word.
I don't know which one is true, so I prefer not to assume one way or the other. In the end, it was Bob's responsibility to vet their Directors. Especially a director of an exec corp.
EDIT: Page 3 editting wannabee snypa!!!
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viod hawk
Amarr BAD WOLF INC. No Apology
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Posted - 2009.02.23 17:57:00 -
[62]
BOB.......BOB who?
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Ykatni
Gallente Black Nova Corp KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.02.23 18:37:00 -
[63]
The group formally known as BoB, now known as 族 until further notice
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Dalmuti
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.23 18:45:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Ykatni The group formally known as BoB, now known as 族 until further notice
is 族 japananananese for anime?
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Ykatni
Gallente Black Nova Corp KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.02.23 18:54:00 -
[65]
Edited by: Ykatni on 23/02/2009 18:54:33
<quote>
is 族 japananananese for anime?
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I believe 族 and KenZoku both mean family/clan, so your interpretations may b4st4rdize it to suit your whim.
meh
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Reverand Pastor
Caldari DEATHFUNK Doctrine.
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Posted - 2009.02.23 19:13:00 -
[66]
Im not sure Crimson is as smart as she thinks she is but I can say im surprisd by the logic and thinking of goons. Serious question: Do you roleplay idiots on the forums because its who you are or who you want to be percieved to be? If so why the facade?
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Crimson Justice
Gallente Demon Theory UNLeashed Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.23 19:27:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Reverand Pastor Im not sure Crimson is as smart as she thinks she is
Uhm .. thanks?! |
Ishbuanium
Gallente Pr0j3ct M4yh3m
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Posted - 2009.02.23 19:35:00 -
[68]
Originally by: viod hawk BOB.......BOB who?
I heard they're the best corp in Goonswarm, C/d?
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Vinata
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.23 21:03:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Reverand Pastor Im not sure Crimson is as smart as she thinks she is but I can say im surprisd by the logic and thinking of goons. Serious question: Do you roleplay idiots on the forums because its who you are or who you want to be percieved to be? If so why the facade?
If people want to think we're idiots, and if they want to think we are a bunch of t1 newbs who are truly horrible at this game and just ride the coattails of our allies, that's excellent. It means more people will underestimate and attack us, and we'll be able to laugh as their wrecks clog up our space.
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Crimson Justice
Gallente Demon Theory UNLeashed Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.23 21:09:00 -
[70]
Edited by: Crimson Justice on 23/02/2009 21:09:18
Originally by: Vinata
Originally by: Reverand Pastor Im not sure Crimson is as smart as she thinks she is but I can say im surprisd by the logic and thinking of goons. Serious question: Do you roleplay idiots on the forums because its who you are or who you want to be percieved to be? If so why the facade?
If people want to think we're idiots, and if they want to think we are a bunch of t1 newbs who are truly horrible at this game and just ride the coattails of our allies, that's excellent. It means more people will underestimate and attack us, and we'll be able to laugh as their wrecks clog up our space.
I don't think anyone really associates t1 frigs with goons anymore - well, except for goons themselves.
As for the idiot-statement he made, I don't think he meant you guys are stupid, just act like ret[a|u]rds |
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Vinata
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.23 21:13:00 -
[71]
Yeah, to shorten my response: We act the way we act partly because it amuses us, and partly because it is beneficial to us.
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Crimson Justice
Gallente Demon Theory UNLeashed Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.23 21:19:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Vinata Yeah, to shorten my response: We act the way we act partly because it amuses us, and partly because it is beneficial to us.
That part I get (the amusement aspects). But what's with the few goons here and there that try to get all serious on us and try to present their case with semi-thought-out arguments?
I've never understood why they do that - looking to get accepted by other players? Low self-esteem or the delusion that they are "the good guys" and are just misunderstood? |
Brobuck
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.23 21:36:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Crimson Justice are just misunderstood?
I too, am misunderstood.
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Vinata
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.23 21:42:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Crimson Justice
Originally by: Vinata Yeah, to shorten my response: We act the way we act partly because it amuses us, and partly because it is beneficial to us.
That part I get (the amusement aspects). But what's with the few goons here and there that try to get all serious on us and try to present their case with semi-thought-out arguments?
I've never understood why they do that - looking to get accepted by other players? Low self-esteem or the delusion that they are "the good guys" and are just misunderstood?
To each their own. Just because a lot of people within the Swarm agree on one thing, doesn't mean the people who don't agree are going to act that way. An example of this is the last CSM elections, where it was decided a certain person would be our 2nd member on the counsel, but so many people disliked the official decision they voted for other people instead.
Contrary to Jade's attempts at brushing off all serious questioning and debate, we aren't a hivemind.
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LadyScarlet
Minmatar Destructive Influence KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.02.23 21:43:00 -
[75]
This is the best thread ever
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Vinata
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.23 21:45:00 -
[76]
Originally by: LadyScarlet This is the best thread ever
Oh hey, is it true the reason there are so many [brackets] in your section is because you misspelled half of the words?
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Moctobot
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.23 21:46:00 -
[77]
There are RKK gunners in their POS shooting their own mods so we can't steal them
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
ahahahahahahashahaahasdgkjnadfgbkjank;jnaskj;gn
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Brobuck
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.23 21:47:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Moctobot There are RKK gunners in their POS shooting their own mods so we can't steal them
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
ahahahahahahashahaahasdgkjnadfgbkjank;jnaskj;gn
Now that is a strategy we can all get behind!
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Navick
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.23 22:13:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Moctobot There are RKK gunners in their POS shooting their own mods so we can't steal them
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
ahahahahahahashahaahasdgkjnadfgbkjank;jnaskj;gn
They're stealing our ability to blow up/steal their entire POS infrastructure by doing it themselves... Ingenious!
You win this round, Kenny, you win this round...
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LadyScarlet
Minmatar Destructive Influence KenZoku
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Posted - 2009.02.23 22:26:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Vinata
Originally by: LadyScarlet This is the best thread ever
Oh hey, is it true the reason there are so many [brackets] in your section is because you misspelled half of the words?
no its because [ISD ]likes me more then you
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Lady Lard
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.23 22:31:00 -
[81]
Originally by: LadyScarlet
Originally by: Vinata
Originally by: LadyScarlet This is the best thread ever
Oh hey, is it true the reason there are so many [brackets] in your section is because you misspelled half of the words?
no its because [ISD ]likes me more then you
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Lina Jakiri
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.23 22:44:00 -
[82]
Originally by: LadyScarlet
Originally by: Vinata Oh hey, is it true the reason there are so many [brackets] in your section is because you misspelled half of the words?
no its because [ISD ]likes me more then you
Low hanging fruit are the best fruit
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Reapeat Offender
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.23 22:49:00 -
[83]
Originally by: LadyScarlet This is the best thread ever
I saw your ISD interview and was impressed with its accuracy and coherence.
I think I'm smitten. Will you be my internet Girlfriedn?
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Himo Amasacia
Minmatar Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.23 23:02:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Ykatni Edited by: Ykatni on 23/02/2009 18:54:33
<quote>
is 族 japananananese for anime?
</quote>
I believe 族 and KenZoku both mean family/clan, so your interpretations may b4st4rdize it to suit your whim.
meh
YOur wrong. Kenzoku doesn't mean anything, it's mangled Japanese. Its like saying Jar Jar Binks was talking english. "Mesa Jar Jar binks" Etc
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Vinata
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.23 23:17:00 -
[85]
Edited by: Vinata on 23/02/2009 23:17:10
Originally by: LadyScarlet
Originally by: Vinata
Originally by: LadyScarlet This is the best thread ever
Oh hey, is it true the reason there are so many [brackets] in your section is because you misspelled half of the words?
no its because [ISD ]likes me more then you
That's a horrible comeback as it doesn't address the question, as well as being horrible because I'm not the Goonswarm PR Spokesman. That'd be Trzzbk.
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mynnna
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.24 07:29:00 -
[86]
Originally by: LadyScarlet
Originally by: Vinata
Originally by: LadyScarlet This is the best thread ever
Oh hey, is it true the reason there are so many [brackets] in your section is because you misspelled half of the words?
no its because [ISD ]likes me more then you
They don't like you more, there's just more to like.
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Ayman Zawahiri
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.24 07:55:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Lina Jakiri
Originally by: LadyScarlet
Originally by: Vinata Oh hey, is it true the reason there are so many [brackets] in your section is because you misspelled half of the words?
no its because [ISD ]likes me more then you
Low hanging fruit are the best fruit
In this case the weight of the fruit causes the entire tree to come crashing down.
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Is forporn
Minmatar THE INTERNET. Goodfellas.
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Posted - 2009.02.24 08:09:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Ayman Zawahiri
Originally by: Lina Jakiri
Originally by: LadyScarlet
Originally by: Vinata Oh hey, is it true the reason there are so many [brackets] in your section is because you misspelled half of the words?
no its because [ISD ]likes me more then you
Low hanging fruit are the best fruit
In this case the weight of the fruit causes the entire tree to come crashing down.
Is this some kind of metaphor for my genetalia?
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Anderson Williams
Gallente Varion Galactic Revolution Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.24 09:12:00 -
[89]
I am you, and we are the same, We hate, we cheat, we fight, we die, Both of us look for fortune and fame, To gain that of which anything we will try.
When I am at my best you hate me, When I hide beneath your fame I hate you, Our battle is endless cant you see, End one war another will start anew.
For Evolution is a river that never stops, For War is a vice of one ups that wont end, For Change is a constant flip of whose on top, In the end Power Struggle is a game you cannot win.
LOL.. ok lets be realistic here. I dont have a side but based off sheer expirence with MMOs and PVP in other games Ill make a prediction;
Goonswarm will deafeat Ken and drive them from 0.0 space because frankly they outnumber them. Ken will more than likely retreat to high sec because no one is DUMB enough to try and harbor them. Soon Goonswarm will get bored. You cant win a crusade and expect all your members who have fought your war that would have never have ended without your coup de gras to just sit around with thier thumbs up thier ass. Goon will either try to start ruling High sec/Low sec, and or Goon will turn on thier allies to maintain thier numbers and maintain thier omnipotence.. Goon Eventually will either beat everyone out and have no one left to fight.. OR everyone and thier grandmother will band together to fight Goon much as goon has done now. Roles will be reversed.. The Crusade against BOB will become the CRUSADE against Goon.
OR
Goon will get bored try high sec.. Fail and then slowly drift into AFK'ness. Another power will rise and Goon will be where Ken is at right now.
Thats my prediction and time will tell. Either way this thread was started because your frustrated because either your NOT getting the fight you want.. or because it doesnt seem your shattering the morale of your enemy hard enough for them to publicly admit defeat. They wont fight you.. this ISNT sparta... And Ken face it you CANT win this war. Your sheer attempts at prolonging the inevitable is giving goon something to fight. AKA... you cant win.. try something else.
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DaiTengu
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.24 09:22:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Anderson Williams I am you, and we are the same, We hate, we cheat, we fight, we die, Both of us look for fortune and fame, To gain that of which anything we will try.
When I am at my best you hate me, When I hide beneath your fame I hate you, Our battle is endless cant you see, End one war another will start anew.
For Evolution is a river that never stops, For War is a vice of one ups that wont end, For Change is a constant flip of whose on top, In the end Power Struggle is a game you cannot win.
LOL.. ok lets be realistic here. I dont have a side but based off sheer expirence with MMOs and PVP in other games Ill make a prediction;
Goonswarm will deafeat Ken and drive them from 0.0 space because frankly they outnumber them. Ken will more than likely retreat to high sec because no one is DUMB enough to try and harbor them. Soon Goonswarm will get bored. You cant win a crusade and expect all your members who have fought your war that would have never have ended without your coup de gras to just sit around with thier thumbs up thier ass. Goon will either try to start ruling High sec/Low sec, and or Goon will turn on thier allies to maintain thier numbers and maintain thier omnipotence.. Goon Eventually will either beat everyone out and have no one left to fight.. OR everyone and thier grandmother will band together to fight Goon much as goon has done now. Roles will be reversed.. The Crusade against BOB will become the CRUSADE against Goon.
OR
Goon will get bored try high sec.. Fail and then slowly drift into AFK'ness. Another power will rise and Goon will be where Ken is at right now.
Thats my prediction and time will tell. Either way this thread was started because your frustrated because either your NOT getting the fight you want.. or because it doesnt seem your shattering the morale of your enemy hard enough for them to publicly admit defeat. They wont fight you.. this ISNT sparta... And Ken face it you CANT win this war. Your sheer attempts at prolonging the inevitable is giving goon something to fight. AKA... you cant win.. try something else.
ok but one question
who is goon?
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Anderson Williams
Gallente Varion Galactic Revolution Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.24 09:51:00 -
[91]
OH and for the record.. Dichotomy and Oxymoron go hand in hand. The difference is a Dichotomy is like a phrase or a sentence or comment or object that doesnt make any sense or contradicts itself. And an Oxymoron is when words dont make sense or seem to contradict themselves.. usually said or written right next to each other.
Dichotomy...
I could sell condoms to the pope...
Oxymoron...
Thats the hardest pillow ive ever rested my head on...
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Anderson Williams
Gallente Varion Galactic Revolution Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.24 09:52:00 -
[92]
Originally by: DaiTengu
Originally by: Anderson Williams I am you, and we are the same, We hate, we cheat, we fight, we die, Both of us look for fortune and fame, To gain that of which anything we will try.
When I am at my best you hate me, When I hide beneath your fame I hate you, Our battle is endless cant you see, End one war another will start anew.
For Evolution is a river that never stops, For War is a vice of one ups that wont end, For Change is a constant flip of whose on top, In the end Power Struggle is a game you cannot win.
LOL.. ok lets be realistic here. I dont have a side but based off sheer expirence with MMOs and PVP in other games Ill make a prediction;
Goonswarm will deafeat Ken and drive them from 0.0 space because frankly they outnumber them. Ken will more than likely retreat to high sec because no one is DUMB enough to try and harbor them. Soon Goonswarm will get bored. You cant win a crusade and expect all your members who have fought your war that would have never have ended without your coup de gras to just sit around with thier thumbs up thier ass. Goon will either try to start ruling High sec/Low sec, and or Goon will turn on thier allies to maintain thier numbers and maintain thier omnipotence.. Goon Eventually will either beat everyone out and have no one left to fight.. OR everyone and thier grandmother will band together to fight Goon much as goon has done now. Roles will be reversed.. The Crusade against BOB will become the CRUSADE against Goon.
OR
Goon will get bored try high sec.. Fail and then slowly drift into AFK'ness. Another power will rise and Goon will be where Ken is at right now.
Thats my prediction and time will tell. Either way this thread was started because your frustrated because either your NOT getting the fight you want.. or because it doesnt seem your shattering the morale of your enemy hard enough for them to publicly admit defeat. They wont fight you.. this ISNT sparta... And Ken face it you CANT win this war. Your sheer attempts at prolonging the inevitable is giving goon something to fight. AKA... you cant win.. try something else.
ok but one question
who is goon?
I unno.. some japanese dude
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Jack Archer
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.24 10:06:00 -
[93]
im spartacus --- Booya. |
James Duar
Gallente Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.24 11:08:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Anderson Williams OH and for the record.. Dichotomy and Oxymoron go hand in hand. The difference is a Dichotomy is like a phrase or a sentence or comment or object that doesnt make any sense or contradicts itself. And an Oxymoron is when words dont make sense or seem to contradict themselves.. usually said or written right next to each other.
Dichotomy...
I could sell condoms to the pope...
Oxymoron...
Thats the hardest pillow ive ever rested my head on...
That's pretty much not an oxymoron.
An oxymoron is more like "Goons are excellent posters".
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Anderson Williams
Gallente Varion Galactic Revolution Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.24 11:54:00 -
[95]
Originally by: James Duar
Originally by: Anderson Williams OH and for the record.. Dichotomy and Oxymoron go hand in hand. The difference is a Dichotomy is like a phrase or a sentence or comment or object that doesnt make any sense or contradicts itself. And an Oxymoron is when words dont make sense or seem to contradict themselves.. usually said or written right next to each other.
Dichotomy...
I could sell condoms to the pope...
Oxymoron...
Thats the hardest pillow ive ever rested my head on...
That's pretty much not an oxymoron.
An oxymoron is more like "Goons are excellent posters".
THat is an oxymoron.. since a pillow is maid to be soft... and I say its hard. But Ill take yours.
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Fitz Chivalry
Gallente eXceed Inc. Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.02.24 12:39:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Moostang Drive on a parkway... Park on a driveway...
These so-called "speed bumps" that they have on the roads nowadays are an absolute joke, if anything they slow you down.
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frog women
Amarr MDK Syndicate
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Posted - 2009.02.24 17:23:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Crimson Justice
Originally by: Vile rat What else do you suggest we do to get a fight? Handicap ourselves? Are you suggesting the only way we'll get a fight out of them is to back off a bit and give them a chance to recover?
Maybe I'm suggesting that too!
You know what others do? They provoke a fight by giving the enemy a bloody nose, then wait for their response. What the Goons/NC did here are locking BoB into their basement and wondering why they don't come up.
I don't think anyone expects you to handicap yourselfs. For all I care, bring every pilot and their alts, even if the nodes crash every 5 minutes. But without an enemy present I don't understand how you classify it as "FUN".
I confirm: I don't 'GET' goons.
Hey first time poster, But go read enders game. War is about wining not fair fights. When AAA crushed KOS, that wasn't a fair fight but no one complained. When bob did max campaign against FND, FND didn't complain that it wasn't fair for bob to attack them. When Solare wing and company killed atlas, DMC and Iron in the drone regions, they didn't bring a fair fight. NO ONE ever does so deal with the unjust fight, and have fun.
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Orree
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.02.24 19:12:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Crimson Justice
Originally by: Max Mekker
- clever reply -
I actually appreciate your point of view and understand your perspective on things. As for allies: beside EXE, which has at least the numbers, Kenny really doesn't have any that are involved in Delve, do they? Or are you seriously comparing Skunk-Works to PL? And does one EXE outweight Razor+RAWR?
I think a key factor you (and others) seem to often miss is the fact that TAFKAB (aka "Kenny") made the rest of us enemies just as it garnered its own allies (or "pets" as they call have themselves called them). Of course we're coming after them any time we can without a care about who is or isn't joining in.
It's hardly anything to do with Goons (or the rest of us, for that matter) that the entities that remain of what TAFKAB surrounded itself with are not equal to what is arrayed against them (on any level).
It was far more frequent than not that in the larger battles in Tribute, the number of GBC entities involved eclipsed the number of NC entities. Yet, so many conveniently keep calling NC out as a NAPtrain and blithely let everyone else off the hook for doing the EXACT SAME THING, if not moreso. As some have also said, let us not forget who legitmized "teh Bl0b" in the first place, eh?
AAA and friends invade Goons and then NAP BoB and eventually the rest of the GBC. Where's the calls of "NAPtrain" from the same people that scream "NC NAPtrain lols" every chance they can spit it out of their festering gobs? Doesn't serve their purpose to be even-handed, I guess. Amazing.
"How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli |
Anderson Williams
Gallente Varion Galactic Revolution Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.24 19:33:00 -
[99]
The truth that your a Fgt to ignore...
" In Eve there is only winning and losing. THERE IS NO FAIR."
Ken.. you cant call people out on **** you pioneered. Its like a low sec pirate group I know that are pretty much gods of docking games while when they drop a carrier on you in a 2v2 BS fight appareantly YOUR a noob if you dock. Silly aint it?
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Fraud Crawler
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.24 19:36:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Anderson Williams
Originally by: James Duar
Originally by: Anderson Williams OH and for the record.. Dichotomy and Oxymoron go hand in hand. The difference is a Dichotomy is like a phrase or a sentence or comment or object that doesnt make any sense or contradicts itself. And an Oxymoron is when words dont make sense or seem to contradict themselves.. usually said or written right next to each other.
Dichotomy...
I could sell condoms to the pope...
Oxymoron...
Thats the hardest pillow ive ever rested my head on...
That's pretty much not an oxymoron.
An oxymoron is more like "Goons are excellent posters".
THat is an oxymoron.. since a pillow is maid to be soft... and I say its hard. But Ill take yours.
it's not an oxymoron.
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Lina Jakiri
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.24 19:48:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Anderson Williams
THat is an oxymoron.. since a pillow is maid to be soft... and I say its hard.
I have a hard pillow. It's orthopedic.
(Even if I didn't, one pillow can still be harder than another without either being hard. There's a "smallest mountain" and a "softest diamond". There is not a small mountain or a soft diamond, but the comparative and superlative don't really say anything about it in an absolute sense.)
Tune in later for more grammar with goons.
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Cindy McCain
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.24 19:56:00 -
[102]
I'm an oxymoron
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Himo Amasacia
Minmatar Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.24 22:33:00 -
[103]
I'm Di-Oxy-moronate
"Constant practice devoted to one subject often outdoes both intelligence and skill." -Cicero |
Crimson Justice
Gallente Demon Theory UNLeashed Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.24 22:42:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Orree stuff
As one of the chief architects of the infamous tribute-bluelist I find it amazing that you try to argue "but they do it too!". I don't know if its just Fred0 and/or KOTH Fluf who steer the NC, or if you are involved in that as well, but your constant need for "safe space" for all your carebear inhabitants got you in that NAPfest-spiral in the first place.
You should have been thankful that the MC drove some targets on their coattail into Tenal/Deklein back then - instead you blobbed F4TAL and others out and deployed that tactic ever since.
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Gorfob
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.27 00:53:00 -
[105]
Originally by: mynnna
Originally by: LadyScarlet
Originally by: Vinata
Originally by: LadyScarlet This is the best thread ever
Oh hey, is it true the reason there are so many [brackets] in your section is because you misspelled half of the words?
no its because [ISD ]likes me more then you
They don't like you more, there's just more to like.
Boooosh
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Bismaru's Ambition
Amarr Trigrams Edge
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Posted - 2009.02.27 00:57:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Himo Amasacia I'm Di-Oxy-moronate
too far,..
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Snot Shot
Minmatar Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.27 01:55:00 -
[107]
Can I just in here a little and add my 2 cents to this thread. Its about the massive accomplishments GoonSwarm was able to do which BoB, or any Alliance in the history of EVE will never come close to doing:
òGoonSwarm have taken over 3 Regions by themselves faster than any Alliance has ever done or ever will again. òGoonSwarm within their current Alliance corporations have amassed the best PvP pilots the game has ever seen. òGoonSwarm have the best leadership the game has ever seen such that between only 2 members they have been able to keep the reigns on over 5,500 members committing them to a single task where no other Alliance could have done themselves. òGoonSwarm has already rented out space to pets such as pl and razor Alliances so that GoonSwarm can continue tearing through Region after Region. òGoonSwarm have only carried a handful of pets along for the ride as scouts and refuelers where BoB used to carry 3 or 4 heavy hitting Alliances along when they went into Regions to wage war. òGoonSwarm are growing faster and stronger than any Alliance the game has ever seen and there is no end in sight.
GoonSwarm has accomplished all of this in less than 3-weeks.
Thank you û
Dr. Shot
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hammyhamm
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.27 02:56:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Snot Shot
Can I just in here a little and add my 2 cents to this thread. Its about the massive accomplishments GoonSwarm was able to do which BoB, or any Alliance in the history of EVE will never come close to doing:
òGoonSwarm have taken over 3 Regions by themselves faster than any Alliance has ever done or ever will again. òGoonSwarm within their current Alliance corporations have amassed the best PvP pilots the game has ever seen. òGoonSwarm have the best leadership the game has ever seen such that between only 2 members they have been able to keep the reigns on over 5,500 members committing them to a single task where no other Alliance could have done themselves. òGoonSwarm has already rented out space to pets such as pl and razor Alliances so that GoonSwarm can continue tearing through Region after Region. òGoonSwarm have only carried a handful of pets along for the ride as scouts and refuelers where BoB used to carry 3 or 4 heavy hitting Alliances along when they went into Regions to wage war. òGoonSwarm are growing faster and stronger than any Alliance the game has ever seen and there is no end in sight.
GoonSwarm has accomplished all of this in less than 3-weeks.
Thank you û
Dr. Shot
Firstly, Pandemic Legion and Razor aren't pets, they are sovereign entities.
Pets: Pay rent, are pubbies Allies: Do their own ****, we scratch their back they scratch ours. Equals.
Pandemic Legion secured their space in fountain along with their friends Sons of Tangra by systematically kicking the ass of every ****ty bob renter living there.
Razor are one of the main alliances in the Northern Coalition, who along with Morsus Mihi and others have been fighting and taking their own space for a while (maybe look at the sov map).
Goonswarm doesn't actually have Pets.
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Poopsock Alarmclock
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.27 03:18:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Ykatni Edited by: Ykatni on 23/02/2009 15:35:04
I wouldn't call it troubled times mate, more like interesting times.
On another note, I don't think dichotomy really fits. I think "Pest synergy" would be a better technical term to describe your group of merry men.
never stop posting
just undock
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Snot Shot
Minmatar Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.27 03:37:00 -
[110]
Hammy, You are contradicting what is said consitently about pl and razon regarding the space GonnSwarm is giving them.
Quote: "Pets: Pay rent, are pubbies"
= pl and razon scout for GoonSwarm and re-fuel Caps while GoonSwarm do all the heavy lifting i.e rent.
Quote: "Allies: Do their own ****, we scratch their back they scratch ours."
= GoonSwarm are taking space away from pl in Delve so that means they are pets and handing over space when GoonSwarm asks for it.
Quote: "Pandemic Legion secured their space in fountain along with their friends Sons of Tangra by systematically kicking the ass of every ****ty bob renter living there."
But we all know that they are too tiny to actually hold any space worth taking and the forums always say Fountain is one of the worst places in 0.0. Not hard to hold when fail Alliances are always wandering into it.
Quote: Razor are one of the main alliances in the Northern Coalition, who along with Morsus Mihi and others have been fighting and taking their own space for a while (maybe look at the sov map).
But they are pets as well since GoonSwarm are giving them space in Delve and will be taking it away soon.
Quote: Goonswarm doesn't actually have Pets
That is not what my friends in GoonSwarm tell me. Sorry to burst your bubble but I for one am very proud of what GoonSwarm have accomplished by themselves in Delve and we should not be giving credit to scouts and re-fuelers who get paid with systems GoonSwarm leave behind on their way to victory!
Darius would probably be mad at you for selling out like this
Thank you,
Dr. Shot
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Mysticus Maliotide
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.27 04:02:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Snot Shot That is not what my friends in GoonSwarm tell me.
friedns
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Kiko Goatbiter
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.27 04:06:00 -
[112]
im posting here just so i can have myself as the last post for symmetry on the forum home
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Ayman Zawahiri
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.27 04:46:00 -
[113]
Originally by: hammyhamm
Goonswarm doesn't actually have Pets.
Band of Brothers best pet corp in GS.
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Mysticus Maliotide
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.27 04:47:00 -
[114]
GS has a pet parrot named chatty.
Chatty has his own TS channel.
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Ayman Zawahiri
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.27 04:51:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Snot Shot Hammy, You are contradicting what is said consitently about pl and razon regarding the space GonnSwarm is giving them.
Quote: "Pets: Pay rent, are pubbies"
= pl and razon scout for GoonSwarm and re-fuel Caps while GoonSwarm do all the heavy lifting i.e rent.
By definition this would make Goonswarm the pets because the master never does the heavy lifting.
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Kiko Goatbiter
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.27 04:52:00 -
[116]
im the master baiter :smug:
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Zitts
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.27 04:54:00 -
[117]
I wonder if all of UNL feel the same way about goons that Crimson Justice does, I know I read you say something like you don't have to agree with us all the time just because we are blue but I've never heard you agree with goons on anything. Not only not agree but verbally disagree to the point of making damn near 20 posts about it.
I thought we were cool with UNL, this guy whines more than BOB and they are losing everything they've created.
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Bismaru's Ambition
Amarr Trigrams Edge
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Posted - 2009.02.27 05:39:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Zitts I wonder if all of UNL feel the same way about goons that Crimson Justice does, I know I read you say something like you don't have to agree with us all the time just because we are blue but I've never heard you agree with goons on anything. Not only not agree but verbally disagree to the point of making damn near 20 posts about it.
I thought we were cool with UNL, this guy whines more than BOB and they are losing everything they've created.
If it bothers you why dont you just disband them?
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Himo Amasacia
Minmatar Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.27 05:41:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Bismaru's Ambition
If it bothers you why dont you just disband them?
It won't rain all the time The sky won't fall forever. And though the night seems long, your tears won't fall, your tears won't fall, your tears won't fall forever.
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Doctor Ungabungas
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.27 05:49:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Crimson Justice
You know what others do? They provoke a fight by giving the enemy a bloody nose, then wait for their response. What the Goons/NC did here are locking BoB into their basement and wondering why they don't come up.
I'm not so sure we're here to 'provoke a fight', so much as 'systematically remove Kenzoku from 0.0 space with extreme prejudice'.
So let us reconsider your analogy with this in mind. Consider that I have a guy locked in my basement. If I hit this guy over the head with a hammer and he doesn't get up to defend himself, would you agree he no longer has the will to live?
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Bismaru's Ambition
Amarr Trigrams Edge
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Posted - 2009.02.27 05:50:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Doctor Ungabungas
Originally by: Crimson Justice
You know what others do? They provoke a fight by giving the enemy a bloody nose, then wait for their response. What the Goons/NC did here are locking BoB into their basement and wondering why they don't come up.
I'm not so sure we're here to 'provoke a fight', so much as 'systematically remove Kenzoku from 0.0 space with extreme prejudice'.
So let us reconsider your analogy with this in mind. Consider that I have a guy locked in my basement. If I hit this guy over the head with a hammer and he doesn't get up to defend himself, would you agree he no longer has the will to live?
What type of hammer?
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Doctor Ungabungas
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.27 05:56:00 -
[122]
One made up of angry bees.
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Cletus Graeme
Caldari Duty.
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Posted - 2009.02.27 13:14:00 -
[123]
Edited by: Cletus Graeme on 27/02/2009 13:14:55
Originally by: Anderson Williams OH and for the record.. Dichotomy and Oxymoron go hand in hand. The difference is a Dichotomy is like a phrase or a sentence or comment or object that doesnt make any sense or contradicts itself. And an Oxymoron is when words dont make sense or seem to contradict themselves.. usually said or written right next to each other.
Dichotomy...
I could sell condoms to the pope...
Oxymoron...
Thats the hardest pillow ive ever rested my head on...
I think I understand you.
Dichotomy: Kenny are an alliance of leet pvpers Oxymoron: Kenny are an alliance of leet pvpers
Amirite?
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Mr Rive
Gallente Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.27 13:54:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Cletus Graeme Edited by: Cletus Graeme on 27/02/2009 13:14:55
Originally by: Anderson Williams OH and for the record.. Dichotomy and Oxymoron go hand in hand. The difference is a Dichotomy is like a phrase or a sentence or comment or object that doesnt make any sense or contradicts itself. And an Oxymoron is when words dont make sense or seem to contradict themselves.. usually said or written right next to each other.
Dichotomy...
I could sell condoms to the pope...
Oxymoron...
Thats the hardest pillow ive ever rested my head on...
I think I understand you.
Dichotomy: Kenny are an alliance of leet pvpers Oxymoron: Kenny are an alliance of leet pvpers
Amirite?
no, i think its more like
dichtonomy: I think kenny is the best alliance in game oxymoron: yesterday, jesus came in the tardis from the past and proclaimed kenny are the greatest pvpers of all time
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Mr Rive
Gallente Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2009.02.27 13:55:00 -
[125]
im probably wrong though i only got a B in English and failed science and history
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Yarik Mendel
Amarr Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.27 14:26:00 -
[126]
People of CAOD, rejoice for today a mod decided that a thread started by THE INTERNET was worthy being locked because it was started by an "alt".
Is this the end of THE INTERNET?
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Rek Esket
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.27 14:28:00 -
[127]
I spend my nights wooshing around Delve in my invisible space ship following hostiles like a horny grapist looking for his next victim. I spend hours watching local, running scans, and figuring out which dog needs beaten back to the animal shelter this time.
It's not terribly exciting but it still requires a lot of attention. I don't get to shoot at things very often, which by the standards of this thread means I lose. But I will do it every day because I know how much it ruins Kenny's game experience to have me watching them.
I don't care about EVE, I just like watching people cry. It's the same reason I throw bricks at homeless people from my car.
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Razzor Bladez
Minmatar Minmatar Training Associates
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Posted - 2009.02.27 14:56:00 -
[128]
Edited by: Razzor Bladez on 27/02/2009 14:57:39 Off Topic...
"Locked.
Alt posting OP." in the other Thread...
So then not again shall we see topics made by THE INTERNET..
I cried a bit with happiness inside.
*EDIT*
lmao just read 2 posts above ! I am glad it is not just me
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