Originally by: MK Dom

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Auto loading the market info is wftbbqpwng!

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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro

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So, to clarify, there's no need to spam 'export data' for every item? Sounds good. Has Ix checked that using cache files in this way is EULA-safe?

I'm sceptical about the security features - if you can read cache files, someone else can probably write to them if they really want to try to poison the database. Also, it lacks some of the flexibility of the eve-central API - the option to restrict API queries to a single station or solarsystem seems to be missing.

Having said all that, it certainly looks promising.

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Originally by: Daphne Eveningstar

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Edited by: Daphne Eveningstar on 23/02/2009 09:25:33
Edit: Assuming this is automated and no "export to file" spamming is needed,

There was a guy about this time last year making a tool that used these same files to do some automated price analysis. It was deemed a EULA violation.

tbh I'm concerned that CCP hasn't locked down those data streams to prevent this. Either make it legal and official (and automatic) or do something to disable the functionality (ala Bacon).

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Originally by: Marcus D'Eriellius

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You mention there will be developer APIs in the future but the documentation already mentions them.

However, querying via API produces invalid XML:

<?xml version='1.0' encoding='utf-8' ?>
<evemetrics api_version='1.1'>
 <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
 <evemetrics api_version="1.0">
 <region name="The Forge">
 <type name="Tritanium" id="34">4.14710945273632</type>
 <type name="Pyerite" id="35">3.90247984496124</type>
 <type name="Mexallon" id="36">24.9396716981132</type>

 </region>
 </evemetrics>
</evemetrics>

Secondly, would it be possible to have some method to ignore the outliers in the data, either copy the minQ parameter from Eve-Central or, better yet, have a way of getting the 95% price as the Jitaindex used to calculate?

Great work, look forward to implementing it :)

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Originally by: Daphne Eveningstar

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Edited by: Daphne Eveningstar on 23/02/2009 09:50:44

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Browsing market order pages will upload order info, and browsing the history graph/table page will upload history info.

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That's from the page for their uploader utility

All I can say is wow. I guess Bacon required the debugger to be running didn't it?

If this is stated by CCP to be a legal use of the client cache than let me be the first to offer up a bounty of 2 billion for a local exe version of the same functionality. I want every market lookup I make (across multiple accounts and hosts/clients) stored in a local MSSQL database for quick analysis of both the current picture and the historic data.

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Originally by: ZeusOnRoids

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this is a great tool, but its usability depends completely on the number of poeple running the uploader. so, come on trader, let it run

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Originally by: Verite Rendition

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Edited by: Verite Rendition on 23/02/2009 13:38:52
How is it I've never heard of this before? It looks like a great tool.

The website needs a bit of work however. It's not pruning old data (I'm seeing things from 2008) and the inability to select what region you want to check without logging in is a PITA. All the data in the world won't help if your website sucks.

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Originally by: Muscaat

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Originally by: Hexxx

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The most useful function isn't the solarsystem specific sell/buy orders but instead the indexes created from all these orders. I noticed that some of them are down right now, but the promise of nearly automatically created indexes is....well....incredibly promising.

Indexes like those could be used as the foundation for futures contracts on minerals for example. This is just one of many possible uses.

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I'm keeping an eye on it as a second data source for EVE Markets - I've not yet found the time to have a play (nor a headscratch on how to integrate it).

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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro

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Originally by: Hel O'Ween

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As it reads, the limit is per developer key, per hour. This means that if *one* user does 20 lookups, *all* other users are out of business for the next one hour.

This for sure can't be the intended outcome.

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This is clearly a matter for Ambo to look into - one solution would be for him to add the option to enter your own key into EMMA.

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Originally by: Ix Forres

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Originally by: Akita T

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Originally by: Ix Forres

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view the graph page and it uploads that same data. It's not used on the site anywhere except the indexes section yet, though.

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Yeah, that... it was just a mistaken assumption on my part when the server hicked-up (see edits above)... I suppose you're just swamped by the deluge of people putting orders up and checking your site at the moment thanks to this thread

On that note... is the server down for upgrade/maintenance reasons, or is it really just overloaded ?
How much CPU usage do you get, how do you think will it scale later on, etc ?

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Really overloaded right now; the server's only a little on and it keeps running out of RAM. I'm working on a solution right now. Expect it to be alive again tomorrow at latest.

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Originally by: Ahro Thariori

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2) Had you considered teaming up with eve-central? Before you got this far ofc. It seems your most important contribution is the cache reading. Building your own site is probably just an exercise for you. Is it? Is it a case of "not-invented-here" ;)? Or do you have some long-term interest in exercising control over the whole process ? Eve-Central seems to have stable servers and a stable API, unlike yourself. If you care to elaborate: what is your strategic goal in superseeding eve-central?

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Originally by: Capt Nightmare

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Apparantly some moderator thought it would be funny to delete my post which outed my opinion about this "service" or whatever you would like to call it.

Tools like these will in my opinion destroy the eve market, every fool wont have to put any effort into trading if this "service" starts working as intended.
When will the day come where I can click a button and it will instantly tell me what to buy where and where to sell it for the most highest of margins?

I am surprised to see so many support this instead of rejecting this idea.
The only people I see appreciating this "service" are people who don't know how to trade themselves.
Profit should be for the working people and I mean the traders who put effort into what they are doing, not for the people who go to some website who tells them what to do.

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Originally by: Capt Nightmare

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It is funny that you say this :) I never claimed anything like this.
You should re-read what has been posted.
Either way it matters not, it's not against the rules so what is there to do about it.

Good luck! :)

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