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Tartarus Hemera
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Posted - 2009.02.24 21:41:00 -
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Edited by: Tartarus Hemera on 24/02/2009 21:41:14
Chapter 1 - Tech 2 / Capital Production
Clockwork hydra is currently Inventing and making all T2 Commands and hac's in the game. We have had our eye on capital production for quite along time, our biggest concern and problem has been, the ability to have enought capitial to buy all carrier, dread, freighter and component bpos to start in this area the correct way.
Chapter 2 - Assets and marketing
Current our corp rakes in about 5b a month off tech2 invention. The biggest problem we are having at this time is the ability to built up capital becuase of the huge reinvestment needed to built and invet said ships.
Chapter 3 - Business Plan
Our corp plans on during multiple things:\
1. Cont. Current production of t2 invention, and builds; selling on the jita and rens market
2. Buy all freighter, dread, carrier, and component bpos.
3. Start production of the capitals and sell them directly to our ties in mulitple large alliances, as well as feed the jita, ren, and amarr market.
4. Trade built capital parts on market, to increase bottom lines.
Chapter 4 - If *Crap Happens
Should the venture not go as planned, we still have the t2 invention process and as well as the original bpos we are going to aquire. We will start by selling the capital bpos and reamining ships, along with current corp assets and t2 inventions. We will start with the largest investor first, this will extend the lenght of the Bond by a few months, but as having expereince in such ventunes in RL i have no worries about this venture.
Chapter 5 - Bond Structure
Total Number of Bonds:
1000
Price Per Bond
50,000,000
Payment Holder
Clockwork IPO
Payment per bond per month guaranteed:
3,000,000 (paid at the end of the third month accrued)
Projected Return per Bond(%)
6%
Chapter 6 - The Benefit
Any Ipo or Bond can be a risk driven inventment, that is why im putting my corp on the line here, i hope that instills a little more security. This isnt a fly by night corp. We have been around for quite along time and have a interest in keeping clockwrok around until eve shuts it doors.
If you bought 20 bonds you would at the end of 3 months make 180,000,000 for basically doing nothing.
Bond will go on sale today, bond offering will go off line as of march 1st. This is allow us to give out shares, keep out books correct and see where we are as far as capital, it takes roughly 40b to buy all the said bpo we are looking to aquire. The other 10b which we are asking to for is reserve isk to start production right away.
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Vottbot
Gallente
Clockwork Hydra
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Posted - 2009.02.24 21:45:00 -
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I approve this message, by my director Tartarus Hemera
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Tartarus Hemera
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Posted - 2009.02.24 21:48:00 -
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List of current bonds sold / character that has reserved bonds
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Clouse Cloud
Foundation
Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.02.24 21:54:00 -
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Edited by: Clouse Cloud on 24/02/2009 21:55:45
I was contacted by tartarus in game about his new ipo offering. I have done business with him recently and seems from my experience a decent guy.
Sell order
I will buy 20 shares.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.02.24 21:54:00 -
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 Originally by: Vottbot
I approve this message, by my director Tartarus Hemera
I have a sour taste in my mouth |
Tartarus Hemera
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Posted - 2009.02.24 21:57:00 -
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Edited by: Tartarus Hemera on 24/02/2009 21:58:02
Vottbot was sold 6 months ago, please troll another thread.
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Vagis Penina
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Posted - 2009.02.24 21:59:00 -
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Redundant brackets, redundant "chaptering".
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Brock Nelson
Caldari
Flux Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2009.02.24 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Tartarus Hemera
Edited by: Tartarus Hemera on 24/02/2009 21:58:02
Vottbot was sold 6 months ago, please troll another thread.
Prove it
Blueprint Store |
Tartarus Hemera
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Posted - 2009.02.24 22:07:00 -
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check eve search, and again... why are you trolling my thread this this. Please refer to eve forum rules.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.02.24 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Tartarus Hemera
Vottbot was sold over a year ago, please troll another thread.
Matters not, names last forever. Could have sold to a friend, stored it away in a fake auction, etc.. the possibilities are endless. But if you are intent about riding this train, and its capital production you want.
...here we go.
You say that your take per month in T2 invention is around 5b. If this is your current profit then you should be able to easily afford to enter into the capital market with Freighters within 2 months. Another 3 months after that and you'll have all the freighter prints and prints for the Orca. Another 2 after that and you'll be well on your way to carrier production.
Why the need for public funds when you obviously have a solid business that can grow at a solid rate without much increase in effort.
Why are you purchasing ALL races and all lower capital ship lines immediately?
You've obviously not done enough research on the capital market, since you'd know that right now 2 of the racial carriers are at or near 0% margin, and 2 of the racial freights are below cost (well soon to be anyway once Im done reprocessing)
How do you plan to operate your dread/carrier production? What safety do you offer in logistical transport of materials?
How do you plan delivery to ensure production site is obfuscated to avoid the occasional and inevitable war dec?
You're looking for an investment of 50b, how will this be split up between the various BPOs. How many of each component print do you plan to buy? How are you going to acquire them (research yourself, or preresearched) And what percentage are you going to set aside for materials building...... Keep in mind you're talking to someone who already builds these things on a monthly basis  |
cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.02.24 22:08:00 -
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Someone with 1 day of posting history wants 50 Billion.
Someone from the same corp posts and he is a confirmed scammer!
Even if you are relevant and have a good business model, and I ignore that you haven't any posting hidtory:
1. Will you allow an audit to prove you have a good business and that you currently make 5B in profits in a month.
2. You have a confirmed scammer in your corp (Vottbot), how do you deal with that? Comment?
3. If you had access to the BPO's would you allow them to be locked down by someone well known on here?
4. Why should we trust you with 50B?
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Dawts
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2009.02.24 22:11:00 -
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You need an audit and a character with a posting history >24 hours.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.02.24 22:11:00 -
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Also are you only paying 6% total after 3 months?????
Per share we pay 50M and after 3 months we get 53M. Please clarify, as that is 2% per month.
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Estel Arador
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.02.24 22:12:00 -
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I love this new trend of posting an IPO and then telling anyone asking questions to go troll somewhere else 
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.02.24 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: Dawts
You need an audit and a character with a posting history >24 hours.
Ohh he'd need a lot more than that.
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Tartarus Hemera
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Posted - 2009.02.24 22:21:00 -
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well i was hoping to keep this, going didnt realize the distrust. Vottbot thought for further inquires was sold on a private auction through the sell order forums... This is the first he has heard of theifs and such associate with the character. I will close this thread now, and maybe be able to do something at a later date.
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Drab Cane
Mining Emporium inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.24 22:24:00 -
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This looks interesting, but I have a couple of concerns:
This is an awfully low performing bond. Are your profit margins going to be so slim that the best you can offer is roughly 2% / month? That's pretty scary. I can get better returns from a bank account, without the risk.
Have you been able to show a profit yet on current operations? Is there a reason you can't use those profits to afford a higher interest rate and monthly payouts on the bond?
This sounds like a huge expansion of your enterprise. Do you have the members / alts / slots to make this happen once you've got the BPOs ?
I'd still like to reserve two bonds, on condition that the OP be willing to go through an audit/analysis.
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eVaLF
Delivery Luck
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Posted - 2009.02.24 22:26:00 -
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If your serious about this, let the investors send me the isk, I will lock down the bpo's in an alt corp and let you utilize them. You can use your own isk for the minerals needed since you are making 5bil PROFIT per month for a few months should be more than enough.
Let me know.
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Drab Cane
Mining Emporium inc.
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Posted - 2009.02.24 22:34:00 -
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Man, I've got to type faster. All the good questions got asked by someone else. *Sigh*
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.02.24 22:39:00 -
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I would advise at least answering the other questions (aside from Vottbot).
If you choose not to, no one will listen to you next time. Believe me the first question will come up about this attempt and a link will be posted.
It looks like you are giving up far too easily, does that show a lot of character. Would you persevere if you business was struggling. These characteristics are just as important to investors as IPO document.
At the moment your running off doesn't even make your T2 business look real!!
Your makiing this look like a very weak SCAM attempt.
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Razz XXX
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2009.02.24 23:53:00 -
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Edited by: Razz XXX on 24/02/2009 23:56:19
Ok, I got ask how did you think your going make profit again?
Do you own any research pos?
Do you control any T2 moon?
if not how are going control your high fixed costs?
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.02.24 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: eVaLF
If your serious about this, let the investors send me the isk, I will lock down the bpo's in an alt corp and let you utilize them. You can use your own isk for the minerals needed since you are making 5bil PROFIT per month for a few months should be more than enough.
Let me know.
He's dead serious and it's best deal you're gonna get at this point.
If you are serious about anything, I'd honestly at least attempt to answer some of the questions in here. Since as Cosmo pointed out, any future attempts are going to link back here and leave a nasty black stain on an already mottled past. |
Clair Bear
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.02.25 00:32:00 -
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Please note he didn't say is corp makes 5B monthly profit. About half of the t2 cruiser and larger sized hulls would be produced at a loss if made from -4 -4 BPCs, and only a realize a tiny profit with the right decryptors. You'd have to own the entire volume in both hubs and produce from BPOs to make 5B/month on command ships and HACs.
So I'm guessing 5B is their total monthly revenue -- on roughly 1-2B or less in assets. ROI on that is in the neighborhood of 400M if they're extremely lucky.
I'm hoping this is a Xabier wannabe scam. I fear it's even worse -- someone is wishing to get out of the frying pan, slather themselves with napalm and climb into the fire.
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Mehixa
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Posted - 2009.02.25 00:37:00 -
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Originally by: Tartarus Hemera
well i was hoping to keep this, going didnt realize the distrust. Vottbot thought for further inquires was sold on a private auction through the sell order forums... This is the first he has heard of theifs and such associate with the character. I will close this thread now, and maybe be able to do something at a later date.
Distrust? You're implying that we should trust you from the start. Trust is a binary state; you either trust or distrust. The default is distrust.
Trust is earned. It doesn't come cheap and it doesn't come easy. Trust is the foundation of business. Trust is what allows deals to happen and financing to be gained. Trust is probably the single most valuable commodity in all of EVE.
My advice is to shut this thread down.
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Brock Nelson
Caldari
Flux Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2009.02.25 00:43:00 -
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Linkage
What this thread reminds me of
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Thoraemond
Minmatar
Far Ranger
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Posted - 2009.02.25 01:42:00 -
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Originally by: Mehixa
Trust is a binary state; you either trust or distrust. The default is distrust.
Trust is earned. It doesn't come cheap and it doesn't come easy. Trust is the foundation of business. Trust is what allows deals to happen and financing to be gained. Trust is probably the single most valuable commodity in all of EVE.
General agreement, but the binary nature of trust can be considered in light of different scopes: I might trust (binary state == true) someone to deliver my 200 million ISK mineral shipment with only a 50% collateral who I might not trust (binary state == false) with my T2 BPO collection.†
Especially in light of past admitted scam plans whereby people have started and run small 'successful' businesses for the sole purpose of 'building trust', I find it amusing that people think they can 'prove' their trustworthiness by starting small and working up to big enterprises.
The bottom line is that success or promise-keeping on a small scale in the past is no proof of future success or trustworthiness, on any scale!
† Just an hypothetical example: I have neither a single T2 BPO nor even 200 million ISK worth of minerals to be shipped.
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
Zzz
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Posted - 2009.02.25 08:05:00 -
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It's academic now since the OP has given up on the idea, but the only way I could see this one getting to the stage where it is even worth us checking his maths is if we have someone trusted on standby to lock down the assets.
No matter how well thought out the plan is, you can't be throwing 50b at an unknown.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.02.25 14:41:00 -
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Seeing as how the OP doesn't even try to answer questions and gave up in about 2 seconds, I am labelling this as a weak SCAM attempt. The fact that a known scammer (Vottbot) was involved taints the corp, so Clockwork hydra has to go down as a scamming corp also.
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Kitchie
Gallente
Kitchie's Logistics and Marketing Corp
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Posted - 2009.02.25 15:00:00 -
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Reminded me of the people trying to sell me a PLEX through a Freeform contract. They convo and try to tell you that a Freeform is fine but when a slightly awkward question is asked, they're gone.
100% scam, no doubt. I bet he thought he'd set it up so cleverly as well 
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Ulric Zorn
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Posted - 2009.02.25 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray
It looks like you are giving up far too easily, does that show a lot of character.
You questioning character. I LOL'd.
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