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TimGascoigne
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.02.24 22:42:00 -
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As the title says so. I am sick of the basic flaws of the non-official alternatives. Most of these flaws are based around the fact that people actually have to do something.
Current problems.
-people do not post their loss mails. -people do not post there kills (jawdropping isn't it) -If I am involved in any sizeable fight. It becomes necessary to scour scores of friendly boards to discover more of my kills where I did not get the final blow. atm I have found that in order to get a true reflection of my contribution on just the corp killboards I have to look through endless alliances like razor,PL,OHGOD, TFC,KIA ...... so many friends dam it. Then I have to do the same again to update the alliance and coalition boards - some people do invent these mails and non-official boards cannot tell a good piece of writing from the rael McCoy. -whenever new content appears. There is a delay between the killboards index of what exists in game being updated and the new content being introduced. I'm sure most of us have had kills after an expansion that can not be uploaded.
The solution.
Official boards through the eve website
If you contribute to a kill or get to the final blow or die. It is under your profile. If at the time you're in a corporation. It is on the corporation boards and the same is true for an alliance. You do not have to do anything.
So if I'm in a large fleet battle and I want to know exactly how many people help kill and all the glorious details behind it. I do not end up spending a good part of my life searching the internet to find them.
Potential unintended consequences.
-killboards are a great source of intelligence. They can tell your enemies exactly what you're doing and how you do it and who you collaborate with. The solution is simple. Have some settings so you can set a long delay on when kills appear or even that they never appear.
Thats all I appreciate suggested improvements to the above. Happy supporting
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Eliza Hacklehaber
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Posted - 2009.02.24 22:48:00 -
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no to official killboards.
also, you realize most private killboards now run off director API keys so they automatically parse kills/losses? Those boards then share that kill/loss data across a central database that all those killboards grab data from.
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Santiago Fahahrri
Galactic Geographic
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Posted - 2009.02.24 22:50:00 -
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I would support this if participation is 100% optional, and those who opt out are never listed - whether they are the killer or the killee. ~ Santiago Fahahrri Galactic Geographic |
TimGascoigne
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.02.25 00:07:00 -
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Edited by: TimGascoigne on 25/02/2009 00:10:56
Originally by: Santiago Fahahrri I would support this if participation is 100% optional, and those who opt out are never listed - whether they are the killer or the killee.
Originally by: TimGascoigne The solution is simple. Have some settings so you can set a long delay on when kills appear or even that they never appear.
try reading the OP before passing judgement.
Eliza Hacklehaber I know my corps KBs are API assisted. However this does not work for kills on friendly boards. And as for a central point of date sharing I think you're overestimating the level of corporation people provide in game.
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Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2009.02.25 01:48:00 -
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No. You'd need to have total control over whether your kills/losses get posted, and even then, it would remove misleading/faked killmails.
Also, encouraging peoples' ePeens any further is a bad idea.
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De'Veldrin
Minmatar Special Projects Executive
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Posted - 2009.02.25 02:21:00 -
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While I don't PvP (as a rule) this wouldn't be any different than what a lot of other games do (though those tend to be RTS games, as opposed to MMOs).
I'd support proposing it, with the caveat that I can opt of it in game. And with the understanding that there are other parts of the game that need fixing a lot worse. --Vel
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Omber Zombie
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Posted - 2009.02.25 04:59:00 -
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if you have the option to opt out, how does this help the situation you are trying to remedy. You're citing the issue of other people getting killmails where you aren't the final blow and not posting them, yet if they opt out of the reporting then that kill won't show up on the 'official' killboard either...
The only thing an 'official' killboard would help with is the current private kb lag after patches...
Unless I'm really missing the point, imho this would make it a waste of developer time. Unless of course they wanted to introduce it as part of the COSMOS social networking thing... maybe throw that up as a suggestion? ----------------------
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre Worlds End Consortium
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Posted - 2009.02.25 15:37:00 -
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NOT SUPPORTED.
Kill mails are a total waste of time and nothing but ego stroking e-peen bull****.
I'm sorry... But all I see these days is kill mail this kill mail that.. its enough to make me sick.
Who gives a flying rip... you never kill the guy completely anyway.
Alright fine... you want kill confirmations... then pull the damn thing out of the game and post it on your own damn board. As CEO of SC I can see every kill to date... its not that hard to figure out.
You people are so bloody lazy its ridiculous.
An official KB would increase the latency traffic as it is.... there's too much crap to parse out...
If CCP gives this with there blessing then fine... but I'm not going to push it on the CSM. =============== CEO of Clan Shadow Cadre www.shadowcadre.com ===============
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.02.25 15:49:00 -
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I'm more open to an outlandish idea of doing away with Killmails altogether.
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TimGascoigne
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.02.25 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo I'm more open to an outlandish idea of doing away with Killmails altogether.
Then how will we have any understanding of what's going on in the game?
Omber Zombie if somebody doesn't want any of the kill/loss history posted this would now give them the ability to do that. If they choose this the issue of finding mails it's still resolved as there is nowhere else to look.
In sort what is public is easy to navigate and what is private is totally secure.
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Awox
Minmatar Advanced Logistics
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Posted - 2009.02.25 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Draconis An official KB would increase the latency traffic as it is.... there's too much crap to parse out...
Yes, that increase in "latency traffic" would be terrible.
I think some kind of common kill register is a grand idea. Of course it would need to be delayed. I think better (simpler for CCP to implement) than that would be the ability to drag kills from your kill-log into fleet/local/corp or whatever so other people can either verify the kill or copy+paste the killmail to their own killboard.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre Worlds End Consortium
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Posted - 2009.02.25 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Awox
Originally by: Drake Draconis An official KB would increase the latency traffic as it is.... there's too much crap to parse out...
Yes, that increase in "latency traffic" would be terrible.
I think some kind of common kill register is a grand idea. Of course it would need to be delayed. I think better (simpler for CCP to implement) than that would be the ability to drag kills from your kill-log into fleet/local/corp or whatever so other people can either verify the kill or copy+paste the killmail to their own killboard.
Try reading my post again jackass.
And think before you speak.
The Kills are not posted or published anywhere in CCP's network of databases.. they are stored.
Its 3rd party people who parse them out... if you had bothered to pay attention you would know that.
For this to be implemented means adding to the load of whats already present.
I don't expect people to understand database mechanics... but I do expect people like you to read and think before you speak.
Top that off with the fact that I can see all kill mails in the corporation manager just as easily as the next director.... there is no need for verification... if it happened...its beacuse the server said so... end of discussion.
Got a problem with fraudulent killmails? That's your problem.. not mine. =============== CEO of Clan Shadow Cadre www.shadowcadre.com ===============
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre Worlds End Consortium
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Posted - 2009.02.25 19:07:00 -
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Originally by: TimGascoigne
Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo I'm more open to an outlandish idea of doing away with Killmails altogether.
Then how will we have any understanding of what's going on in the game?
Omber Zombie if somebody doesn't want any of the kill/loss history posted this would now give them the ability to do that. If they choose this the issue of finding mails it's still resolved as there is nowhere else to look.
In sort what is public is easy to navigate and what is private is totally secure.
The only thing i can think that would satisfy all parties and keep it simple... is just mark who got the kill and stop right there.
Maybe log the rest as assists.
Much like Freespace 2 or Descent 3.
No more..no less.... done and done. =============== CEO of Clan Shadow Cadre www.shadowcadre.com ===============
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TimMc
Gallente Extradition
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Posted - 2009.02.26 17:37:00 -
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CEOs can just hook up their API key, this idea is pointless and alot of work for CCP.
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Ki Tarra
Caldari Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2009.02.26 21:53:00 -
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Simple solution: give everyone that appears on the kill record access to the kill record, regardless of who laid the final blow.
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Hoobie Bajoobie
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Posted - 2009.02.26 22:58:00 -
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There's zero need for a CCP-built killboard that would only be buggier than the API. What would be nice is an API that works for crap and reports the information people want. That takes less effort than building a killboard system that a lot of people would decline to use, anyway.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre Worlds End Consortium
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Posted - 2009.02.27 03:21:00 -
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Parse out killmails to individual API watching apps such as EVEMon/EVEHQ etc..etc.. =============== CEO of Clan Shadow Cadre www.shadowcadre.com ===============
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BallistaII
Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2009.02.27 05:52:00 -
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Come on guys, I fit my drake with all sensor booster mids in blobs just for getting on every KM i can.
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cpt Mark
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Posted - 2009.02.27 15:35:00 -
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Would be very useful.
SUPPORTED!
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Ignition SemperFi
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.02.28 13:06:00 -
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kb are about intel, just as much as looking over the last fight
I for one do not support this, as a waste of ccp's time... and the fact some corps/alliances may prefer not to have their kb open for all to see ---- People Say Im paranoid because I have a gun, I say I dont have to be paranoid because I have a gun.
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Karbowiak
Caldari coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2009.03.02 01:18:00 -
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Edited by: Karbowiak on 02/03/2009 01:19:21 Wont happen m8.. Why you think you got the api? :P
Besides if CCP started doing official killboards, the likes of EVSCO, EVEKB and Griefwatch would die out pretty fast. So no :)
edit:// ps. why do you think beans, ralle and myself started EVSCO? So we could fill in the gap that CCP hasn't given us ;)
read more here -> http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=964347
LONG LIVE CONCRETE!
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Chapters
Haunted House BROTHERS GRIM.
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Posted - 2009.03.02 11:12:00 -
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NOT SUPPORTED... i dont like the idea of an 'offical' KB.. would make it too easy for people to get intel etc..
can i offer another idea.. EVERYONE ON A KILL MAIL GETS A COPY!! would be much eaiser and would solve all the problems you currently have.
-- Chapters.
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HyperBeanie
Phantom Squad Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.03 06:51:00 -
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Originally by: Chapters ...EVERYONE ON A KILL MAIL GETS A COPY!! would be much eaiser and would solve all the problems you currently have...
This! Don't think it would stress CCP a lot to do it.
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Aimel
Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2009.03.03 15:13:00 -
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wd be great
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AmeNoNuhoko
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Posted - 2009.03.09 07:50:00 -
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In regard to fabricated killmails, there's another option they could do: digitally sign them.
With a digital signature, anyone can verify the contents have been unaltered (using the public key) but only CCP could generate the signatures (using the private key), so anyone who tried to alter the text couldn't come up with a correct signature; anyone who tried to verify the signature would identify the document as fabricated.
It would effectively be a seal of authenticity that the document has not been altered in any way.
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NereSky
Gallente Domination. Force Of Evil
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Posted - 2009.03.09 07:58:00 -
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First of all the op's idea has merit but unfortunately its not a idea i can support, it would mean further trafficking of info on the servers creating a addition to the work load,
Secondly killmails has always been a unexact science and to be fair its up to the individuals that are interested in them to post them on the various sites advailable
If its stats you want ie via the insurance entity that pays out for loss of ships then im sure a statician somewhere can tell u how many ship types were killed in whatever period, but thats about as interesing watching mould grow on my coffee lol
not supported because i believe any extra exchange of info re kills and killmails will put xtra load on the system and i wouldnt vote on anything that 'may' cause this
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Cataracts
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 08:34:00 -
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This would be a good thing.
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Xerpex
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.09 13:21:00 -
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