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robbyx
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Posted - 2009.02.26 11:35:00 -
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Now, i enjoy the odd "good" scam as much as the next bloke....but Jita has just become a haven for the lamest, most skilless morons trying to run the most useless, transperant scams ive ever seen.
Im not suggesting for one second that scamming should be banned at all....but surely there should be the chance of getting caught scamming and the consequences that come from that....maybe that would bring the effort back into scams instead of the lame "1 zydrine...best price 1 bil" etc...this just clogs up market hubs and local with useless crap from brain dead numptys who cant even be bothered putting some effort into their scams.
This may even have the "knock-on" effect of moving people out of market hubs to look for easy pickings else where.
Being that the EvE market is based on "real life" commodities markets and the space around said hubs is controlled by the "space fuzz", there should be the chance of getting caught, thus, putting the thrill and imagination back into scamming.
I propose the game mods take a quick look when they can be bothered, if they can be bothered and jump on a few scammers with maybe...2 week ban from entering the hub....2 offence...1 month ban from hub and so on.
This way, people will still try to break "the law", some will get caught, but most will get away with it...if they're lucky...and "crims" will have to come up with more imaginative ways to scam...or find a way to make a living outside of hi-sec.
IB4 "stay out of jita, adapt or die, l2P, lol noob, wall'o'text"...and so on and so forth.
Its DT and im bored ok ?
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.02.26 11:38:00 -
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Well, a security hit for a failed scam would be nice but then scamming should be built as an ingame feature.
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2009.02.26 11:39:00 -
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You watch local in Jita? 
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.02.26 11:42:00 -
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 Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Well, a security hit for a failed scam would be nice but then scamming should be built as an ingame feature.
Because they care about the security status of their alt who never leaves station?
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Originally by: Neth'Rae
Military experts are calling this a troll.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2009.02.26 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer
Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Well, a security hit for a failed scam would be nice but then scamming should be built as an ingame feature.
Because they care about the security status of their alt who never leaves station?
Forced removal of a person from a system if the security status drops while in a system.
Fixed 
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.26 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: robbyx
Now, i enjoy the odd "good" scam as much as the next bloke....but Jita has just become a haven for the lamest, most skilless morons trying to run the most useless, transperant scams ive ever seen.
And a haven for the laziest, skill-less morons that FALL for them anyway.
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bucktooth
Caldari
Ghost Data
Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
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Posted - 2009.02.26 11:45:00 -
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Edited by: bucktooth on 26/02/2009 11:51:43
exactly what i was going to say. even if they were -10 then it still wouldnt be a problem.
Personally I believe scammers create most of the lag in jita with spam. It is blatently obvious in some cases of the "pay me x and i will send back xtimes more back" scam people are just using macros. If macro mining is a banable offence, so should macro spamming...I think it is worse really as it creates lag for EVERYONE.
EDIT: Ive never been scammed 
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robbyx
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Posted - 2009.02.26 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: robbyx
Now, i enjoy the odd "good" scam as much as the next bloke....but Jita has just become a haven for the lamest, most skilless morons trying to run the most useless, transperant scams ive ever seen.
And a haven for the laziest, skill-less morons that FALL for them anyway.
I knew that was coming...ive never, ever been scammed, im way to tight a**ed with my ISK.
I came up for 24 hours to sell some stuff and put up some contracts....but im seriously considering podding my +4 body just to get the hell out of hi-sec...it makes me feel dirty.
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2009.02.26 11:50:00 -
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OP got scammed by obvious scam and now wants the game changed because of his own foolishness? c/d
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robbyx
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Posted - 2009.02.26 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
OP got scammed by obvious scam and now wants the game changed because of his own foolishness? c/d
Obvious noob fail troll fails at trolling...and failing.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.26 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: robbyx
I knew that was coming...ive never, ever been scammed, im way to tight a**ed with my ISK.
I didn't imply YOU were scammed.
I only stated that IF their scam attempts would NOT result in any victims, they would eventually give up or grow much thinner in numbers.
But since ENOUGH people are stupid/lazy/both/whatever and fall for it, the scammers thrive and multiply, and lower the bar on effort invested into the scam.
The same logic behind the existance of SPAM E-MAILS.
If there would be no idiots that fall for them, there would BE no spam in the first place.
But since idiots that fall for it exist, they keep getting sent.
If you take this and apply to my previous post, what I said will suddendly make perfect sense without implying it's your fault in any way.
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Klandi
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.02.26 12:06:00 -
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As I am an alt stationed in jita - I welcome and enjoy the scams - as they are painfully obvious and as with most ppl, believe that if something is too good to be true, then it is obviously a scam.
I want intelligent scams - the standard "sell you a navy (insert name here) for very cheap" and "I'm leaving/banned/emo-quitting Eve" are too predictible.
Cmon ppl - as the average age of Eve players is above 12yrs - you should be able to raise the game .....
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.02.26 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Serpents smile
You watch local in Jita?
…says it all.
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2009.02.26 12:09:00 -
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Originally by: robbyx
Obvious noob fail troll fails at trolling...and failing.
Naaaw, you this angry that some 3 day old alt suckered you for your 300 MIL?
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robbyx
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Posted - 2009.02.26 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Originally by: robbyx
Obvious noob fail troll fails at trolling...and failing.
Naaaw, you this angry that some 3 day old alt suckered you for your 300 MIL?
WOW...just wow...none to bright there are you champ.
Ill try to explain in your language...me dun eva bin scamd !1111!!!!!oneoneone.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2009.02.26 12:22:00 -
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The issue here is that scamming - while annoying - is allowed.
Clogging up Jita local and trade channels every 5-10 seconds is not cool. What I do not want to see because of this is a limiter on chat frequency.. that would hurt the game too much. However, I believe that contract spam should be dealt with.
So I propose, if you have something you wish to advertise, feel free to advertise it IN ONE LINE. That means you can advertise a few contracts, then wait for 5 minutes to broadcast it again. What I fear even from that is then respectable contractors will have a difficult time selling their equipment.
This is an issue. What I do not enjoy is seeing ridiculous markup on things such as "1 Zydrine for 600 mil" and what not. But then we are back to scamming.
I believe perhaps one of the best ways we could fix this problem is to add the text that is highlighted as a contract to be a full object and non-modifiable. What that means is if I have a contract that is for 7 'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launchers, it would be like this:
<'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher x7>
And if you try to erase anything inside the brackets, it would remove the entire quote, and wipe the <showinfo:contract=X> from the text line.
That is the best possible solution I can offer. Please keep in mind these are ways to prevent the lame spamming of contracts that do not honor their contents. Taking the time to read the contract generally will keep you from making an illegitimate purchase, but I believe this is a step to remove the idiocy from scam contract spam.
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2009.02.26 12:22:00 -
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Edited by: Tobias Sjodin on 26/02/2009 12:23:17
Originally by: robbyx
Ill try to explain in your language...me dun eva bin scamd !1111!!!!!oneoneone.
Still touchy.
Build a bridge and get over it dude. You will make that ISK back and learn from your silly mistake. Just don't expect CCP to change the game because you fail at EVE. ^^
(btw. get out of Jita once in awhile)
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Ratchman
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Posted - 2009.02.26 15:17:00 -
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I just thought of something that might help with this:
Everyone has the ability to report a person for scamming (by spamming local or by setting up stupid constracts). Each pilot is allowed a single vote per day per scammer. Once a certain barrier is passed in that period, say around 200 votes for that scammer, then there is a possibility (not a certainty) that Concord are alerted. This could mean that if they are in space, they get a warning to leave the system within x minutes, and if they are in that system at that point, Concord attack them and they take a sec hit. If they remain docked up, they are forcibly removed by Concord personnel and relocated in a station in a nearby system. If they try to re-enter the system within a certain period, they get the previously mentioned warning.
There is room for abuse here, which needs to be tied up. Firstly, the limit should be sufficiently high so that people just can't 'gang up' on someone in a different corp or militia. Secondly, the time delay prevents people from constantly voting for the same person. It could be added that if you vote for the same person on x consecutive days, you eventually get a warning from Concord for perverting the course of justice and then the same conditions happen to the accuser. Also, people could not vote for people they are at war with, as Concord would consider scamming as within the bounds of the war declaration.
Other conditions could be added (and I'm sure you will think of one or two), but I think this would help as the more people complain about an individual, the more Concord will sit up and take notice, which fits within the spirit of the game. People who are crafty will still pass under the radar, but those lazy spammers will run a high risk of being detected. If everyone in Jita made a complaint about a spammer in local, this would soon mount up, and they would be forced out of the system.
I do enjoy reading about some of the more elaborate scams, but the sheer volume of lazy scams is tiresome, so there should be a mechanic to counter this, and I think the voting system has potential, as long as we safeguard against abuse.
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Ratchman
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Posted - 2009.02.26 15:20:00 -
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Just thought of something else:
This also works against those who generally make a nuisance of themselves. For example, there is a person who is a self-confessed caldari spy in the gallente militia. If all of the militia voted against him in a 24 hour period, he could be barred from entering Villore for a while, possibly losing his ship into the bargain.
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.02.26 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
That is the best possible solution I can offer.
I have a better solution:
1. Ignore local
2. Search for the item you want in the contract interface.
Granted, this isn't a solution for the advertisers, but who cares about those anyway? 
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you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Nguyen VanPhuoc
Minmatar
The Halibuts
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Posted - 2009.02.26 15:42:00 -
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DONT:
Jump into Jita till you're collecting a purchase.
Read Jita local chat.
DO:
Use the Legit Trading channel.
Read contracts carefully.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.26 15:42:00 -
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In EVE, a GOOD reputation is slowly built (and thus quite valuable) and easily destroyed.
In stark contrast, a NEUTRAL reputation is obtainable by just about anybody with several clicks.
So... before any of you come up with anything else... don't forget to also CONSIDER HOW YOUR PROPOSAL COULD (and will) BE ABUSED by people that want to discredit/damage a LEGITIMATE and honest trader with an otherwise great reputation.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.02.26 15:57:00 -
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The scams exist because people are dumb enough to fall for them.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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damgood85
Gallente
Excelsior Solar Management
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Posted - 2009.02.26 17:00:00 -
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1. Ignore local in all trade hubs.
2. Make use of the "ignore contracts from this user" option.
3. ?????
4. Profit
Originally by: CCP Whisper
Boo hoo. Cry some more.
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Sun Clausewitz
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Posted - 2009.02.26 17:38:00 -
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By the way, not all teh send me X isk and I will send X times back are macros... you find a real one and out play them at their game.
Start by sending them 25k iskies... if they don't send it back banter them on local chat until they do. The send them a little more and a little more... make sure you are ahead on the game and see how far up they will run.
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robbyx
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Posted - 2009.02.26 17:52:00 -
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Did IQ's just drop suddenly ??...all the "ignore local" replys seem to suggest they did.
If you bothered to read and understand my OP, im complaining about the lameness of the scams, not scamming as a whole.
I want some excitement and a risk of getting caught involved, not just filling local and contracts with pathetic pretend scams that 1 out of 1000 may or may not fall for.
This only promotes lag and congestion at market hubs and makes it much tougher for honest buyers/sellers and serious scammers from going about thier business
Less scams, but of a higher quaility...force the crap scammers out of the market hubs and leave the "pro" scammers to prey on the stupid and easily confused.
If there was some risk versus reward with scamming, i might even give it a go myself 
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2009.02.26 18:05:00 -
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You realize that you're not making much sense, do you ?
You opened up with a "punishment suggestions for scammers", now you follow by "oh, but let the good ones in" ?
First off, anything that requires (manual) GM action is automatically out of the question.
Do you or do you not have a suggestion on how you can make it all automatic ?
And if yes, does your suggestion take into account people trying to exploit the system to bring down legitimate traders they don't like ?
If not... just... you know... give it a rest already.
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Dark Soldat
Caldari
Heaven's Gate
Scalar Federation
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Posted - 2009.02.26 18:07:00 -
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i didnt read the op
but BOO-HOO YOUU !!
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Agent Unknown
Caldari
Fist of Eargon
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Posted - 2009.02.26 19:23:00 -
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The smell of fail is strong in this thread.
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Sniper Wolf18
Gallente
A Pretty Pony Princess
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Posted - 2009.02.26 20:00:00 -
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Im sorry, but i have to say OP IS A DUMBASS
Mods can hardly be liek "obvious scam is obvious, NIVERRRR RETURN TO JITAAAAA"
Especially as the whining will be immense and manpower will be wasted on it.
Why not just block the people you see scamming?
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente
Noir.
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Posted - 2009.02.26 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt
The scams exist because people are dumb enough to fall for them.
This. Scams don't need to change in any way or form, they're good for tear harvesting and a nice method of separating the ******s from the rest of us.
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Shaka Laka
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Posted - 2009.02.26 20:44:00 -
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Originally by: robbyx
Now, i enjoy the odd "good" scam as much as the next bloke....but Jita has just become a haven for the lamest, most skilless morons trying to run the most useless, transperant scams ive ever seen.
I stopped reading at that.
You seriously underestimate the stupidity of most people. Scams are a great way to make iskies.
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Carcosa Hali
Naqam
Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.02.26 21:07:00 -
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Umm.. can't you just right-click -> ignore the spammers? 
I seem to remember that working. Once.
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Demitria Fernir
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.02.26 21:10:00 -
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I scammed 10x Scammers for over 200m in the last days.
they think that if they give low sums out someone will eventually be stupid enough to send 151832m to him.
obviously, people are growing smarter each day, and scammers are quite dumbning down.
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Fujiko MaXjolt
Caldari
Templar Republic
Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.26 21:42:00 -
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As far as the dumbing down of scams go, I think it's awesome - makes it easier to see through them, and by consequence quicker to do so = faster to find legit contracts
As far as the spamming goes, auto-gag anyone in public channels that gets x number of blocks - this would work wonders on isk-spammers aswell 
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Carcosa Hali
Naqam
Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.02.27 00:53:00 -
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Originally by: Fujiko MaXjolt
As far as the dumbing down of scams go, I think it's awesome - makes it easier to see through them, and by consequence quicker to do so = faster to find legit contracts
As far as the spamming goes, auto-gag anyone in public channels that gets x number of blocks - this would work wonders on isk-spammers aswell
Now that actually sounds do-able.. very do-able.. Heh.. plus it would make for fun during corp ops 
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Zex Maxwell
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.27 01:19:00 -
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I too am getting tired of all the "Lame" scamers. its like 95% of all the people in my block list are the lame sames, and the rest are people I hate or ISK sellers.
And I don't want to "ignore local", since there are some good buys on it. Matter of fact. I spend about 15 - 30 mins to see what people are selling, Most of the contracts/messages are "give me money and i'll tripple it" and the 1trit for 1 bill.
what i find funny is the "give me money" trick is so bad. its pathetic. if i want to see if they are real, i go into a station and trade with them. I show my money, and if its real they will show theirs. most of the time the window just sits there.
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Amy Mouse
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Posted - 2009.02.27 03:10:00 -
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Those darn scammers
I didnt know it was serious enough to warrent a thread just about us!
I guess there are more tears to scam :)
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Zex Maxwell
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.02.27 15:56:00 -
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BUMP
I like to see what other people think.
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Eisbrecker
Minmatar
DevilDog Brigade
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Posted - 2009.02.27 16:12:00 -
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I think if you want to make money go play on wall street, if you can't cut it well then wall street will play on you.
Get rich or get out, sucks if you got scammed but if they start policing scams well then why not police pirate gankers (ever been ganked? it sucks too).
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Tunak
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Posted - 2009.02.27 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Well, a security hit for a failed scam would be nice but then scamming should be built as an ingame feature.
How does a computer detiermain what is a failed scam?
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Mell Prime
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Posted - 2009.03.02 06:35:00 -
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/me puts the thread on a golf tee.
/me Tees off the thread to the top of the General Discussion.
FOUR!
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Ruze
Amarr
No Applicable Corporation
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Posted - 2009.03.02 06:41:00 -
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Originally by: Mell Prime
/me puts the thread on a golf tee.
/me Tees off the thread to the top of the General Discussion.
FOUR!
That's the first time I've ever seen someone scam a bump ...
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2009.03.02 13:01:00 -
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Scamming in public channels should be petitionable as SPAM, imo. It pretty much is, as 99% of "scammers" just spam that crap nonstop until they get a hit. Then it causes more flooding as some people try to warn others of their scamming, which then results in the scammer spamming more to cover up their warnings... and on and on and on.
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Lady Spank
Amarr
Suddenly Whingers
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Posted - 2009.03.02 13:46:00 -
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I don't like how mission runners farm missions. Maybe we should impose some bans on that behaviour too as it is not conducive to the way I want to play the game.
Stop being so selfish and learn to shut up about it.
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Shevar
Minmatar
Target Practice incorporated
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Posted - 2009.03.02 13:49:00 -
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Originally by: Wet Ferret
Scamming in public channels should be petitionable as SPAM, imo. It pretty much is, as 99% of "scammers" just spam that crap nonstop until they get a hit. Then it causes more flooding as some people try to warn others of their scamming, which then results in the scammer spamming more to cover up their warnings... and on and on and on.
The block option is your friend.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.03.02 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt
The scams exist because people are dumb enough to fall for them.
This cant be said often enough.
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