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NereSky Gallente Domination. Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.02 13:19:00 - [1] I agree 100% with the Op These Alt corps created solely for posting on CAOD with Flames and troll should be perma banned along with their mains. I read back a few posts that BoB was were as bad, 2 things i can say re this; Just because someone else 'may' have done something doesnt mean you have to, and BoB wasnt even close to as bad goonswarm are. CAOD will always attract Flames and trolls but to the extent ive witnessed lately is beyond any expectation of reasonable behaviour 90% of goonswarm posting is Troll and flame and you should hang your heads in shame for it, I believe that CAOD is for Alliances/Corps and posting as such you represent your 'whole' Alliance or Corp and if if any member of that entity is banned then the whole of the entity is banned perma or temporary it doesnt matter Also for persistent offenders it should lead to ingame bans. Its a privilege to post on these forums provided by CCP and if its abused the person absing it should not have that privilege any more. We need stiffer penalties for forum abusers
NereSky Gallente Domination. Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.02 14:30:00 - [2] A very good and well written post Jade some very good points raised Either way CCP go's CAOD needs cleaning and moderating to prevent the threads/post that are just intended for trolling
NereSky Gallente Domination. Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.02 14:37:00 - [3] Originally by: Berious Originally by: Phelaen quoted because the man has a point!! BoB and ASCN never went this far overboard with posting their propaganda.. Yeah it's not like CCP changed the freaking CAOD rules because BoB went overboard with the ASCN propaganda or anything. You people have short memories. and tbh what you seem to forget is that BoB's posts were 3/4 to with the game enviroment and were limited to maybe 20 people, Goons on the other hand are hardly ever with content and are generally trolling and baiting and have hundreds of uncontrolled posters
NereSky Gallente Domination. Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.02 15:03:00 - [4] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: 128th ABC123 Jade as CSM couldnt you work on something like this? Seems like you have some great ideas. I'm not currently on the CSM, my first term ended back in november. We did have a general discussion about this during the first term but the goon voting block was too strong against. Remember Darius and Bane would be dead-set against anything that prevented Goons spamming and attacking political rivals on CAOD. Realistically I think its going to need to wait until Darius is out of power for the 3rd term - but doesn't hurt for the current 2nd CSM to give it a go I guess. If Scagga wants to raise the issue I'll certainly give it my support and encourage the 3 csm delegates I voted for to support it also. I have approached a CSM on this matter but he/she didnt want to raise it publically (i assume because of the massive flame he or she would get from the goons, but would make some enquiries as to what CCP can do to improve CAOD, Its a tad sad that a CSM is put off from putting a issue across because of the goons but tbh i can understand it
NereSky Gallente Domination. Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.03 07:30:00 - [5] Edited by: NereSky on 03/03/2009 07:32:38 I keep seeing referances comparing BoB of old to the Goons, either you people had blinkers on and only see what you want to see or your memory isnt as good, BoB i agree had some posts that were chestbeating some of which were not in the spirit of the game and yes CAOD has always raised temperatures and been very emotive, however I dont remember seeing threadnaughts by BoB (which were done for the sole intention of bringing the forums down) nor do i remember a total flood of posts of a flame and trolling nature by them, yes i do remember emotive posts ie during the Great War and the more recent ASCN war but in comparison to now they were at leat in game and had content, The majority of posts now are wall to wall about the same subject, and all players expect is a more controlled CAOD, CAOD will never be totally troll free, thats impossible but at least it can be controlled and moderated with punitive measures given out. As for some of these personnal attacks they are totally out of order and they need to stop as out forums are public and seeing some of these posts/threads makes me ashamed. I have seen some really well written posts get flamed and trolled not just by a few but by a well planned and orchestrated entity which 'seems' hell bent in destroying the game, yes i understand its fun for them and others but there seems a total lack of self control and respect for others.
NereSky Gallente Domination. Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.03 08:25:00 - [6] My friend u either have selective memory or u didnt read CAOD through the years. The first guys that brought the trolling squads and the spinning tactics and all these propaganda forum schemes were BOB and MC. Yes it might sound as a surprise but there is nothing new here. Meh i hate bringing real life to mind again but these are not even tactics that were developed by forum *****s. They are here since the beginning of time and there are quite a few books on subjects like propaganda, disinformation and social engineering. I can assure u i have read CAOD through the yrs buddy and i agree to a certain extent that yes CAOD is used as a tool in the wars and 'yes' as i stated the Great Northern War' was very emotive and Jade/Sir Molle amongst many others now gone were prolific posters However one of the main reasons why its gotten to such a poor state in recent yrs is the numbers in the player base have increased therefore adding to the amount of posts causing a increase in trolls/flame but where we had 20 or 30 or so active posters spilling a small percentage of troll/flame that percentage has now increased with the no's in the playerbase to maybe hundreds, With the addition of rules to try to curb it 'alt' corps are created to bypass that control which has now got out of hand, I know that there are quite a no' of players that give well written and constructive posts but there are more players that add to the troll and flame and where as the OP has clearly stated its a discussion on CAOD in general it appears others have taken advantage of making yet more personnal attacks, where the person they are attacking is making general posts as to the current condition of CAOD - that imo has to stop as its non stop. Nothing i have seen so far was as emotive as the Great Northern War except perhaps the ASCN campaign but that doesnt mean that entities today can follow suit and make it worse, i like to see records broken in game like the total no of days a system is locked down for (gratz btw) But in the past we had well written battle reports and what had the potential of being a fantastic epic battle to read about becomes a troll with childish behaviour (schoolyard activities springs to mind) pointing a finger saying yah boo sucks wih a tongue sticking out. So yes in retrospect i do remember CAOD with all its flames and trolls to about early 2004 and i also remeber complaints being made about CAOD, but we are now entering a new era in EVE and new times have brought in new blood in the shape of GoonSwarm and regardless of my personnel opinion CAOD has got worse with the amount of posts they make its like everyone in their alliance wants to post and unfortunately it becames a needle in a haystack to find and read those few posts that are constructice and filled with content, Whence a request to CCP to look in to making changes to CAOD to move with the times in light of us entering a new era and the new accounts that will be setup with the retail release of EVE this year
NereSky Gallente Domination. Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.03 13:38:00 - [7] Originally by: Lunas Feelgood wow Pesadel0 that must have taken huge effort to find all those post from that goonie.. probs lets "spin" it around abit shall we. If you had used as much effort in Delve as you just did on that post you might have saved a few towers.. Just my 2 cents A very good example of trolling a thread that has not a lot to do with the current politics, lunas imo hasnt really got a perception of the game nor CAOD from the statements made, wouldnt suprise me if the char is recently acquired lol we accept Lunas, Flames and trolling has always occured to a greater or lesser degree in CAOD, what the majority of people dont accept is the constant no content trolling and threads that seem to have become the flavour and has now increased to such a point over the last 2 years or so that all CAOD has become is a larger and deeper cess pool of spam posts/threadnoughts and trolls
NereSky Gallente Domination. Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.04 08:54:00 - [8] Originally by: 128th ABC123 Originally by: Ishbuanium Edited by: Ishbuanium on 04/03/2009 06:04:38 Like I said, CAOD is my daily dose of lulz Thats fine, then they should make a "Lulz" forum section so you can post in it all day. This is not what the corporation and alliance discussion forum was meant for. The issue is NOT goons, not BOB, the issue is the quality of this forum and the fact CCP does little at all to moderate it. A tad unfair on CCP tbh as i believe they are doing quite a lot and reading reams of posts and either moderating each 1 must be a pain :( however there is always room for improvement which im sure CCP will agree with, But until a revamp of the rules and maybe a whole revamp of CAOD happens (which will possibly take a while as they will need to sit down to work out something amicable that would possible find middle ground for most types of posting) there isnt much the mods can do except trawl through post after post, Albeit we as players can help by reporting posts that are against the rules or the spirit of the game and that will bring those posts/threads to their attention a tad quicker
NereSky Gallente Domination. Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.04 13:12:00 - [9] Totally agree with Jade, nice post btw as always :)
NereSky Gallente Domination. Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.04 17:03:00 - [10] This idea; '1. Make it a forum that you have to apply on behalf of your corporation or alliance for posting rights here. Make that application something the moderation team can exercise discretion on. This will allow good long term posters like Mitchman of omniscient order to post but would still bar obvious alt posting outfits like THE INTERNET. This would also prevent all new alt posting entities since the moderators could do a little due diligence and look them up in game.' is really atually quite good, specified Alliance leaders/CEO's and diplomats would all be able to post therby restricing the amount of spam, if anyone of them breaks the rules incuring a ban then it can effevt the whole corp/alliance for that time period causing people to take more responsibilty for their posts, Im sure CCP can add a role in the corp/Alliance so a restricted amount of individuals can post representative topics to their entity

NereSky Gallente Domination. Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.04 17:11:00 - [11] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: NereSky This idea; '1. Make it a forum that you have to apply on behalf of your corporation or alliance for posting rights here. Make that application something the moderation team can exercise discretion on. This will allow good long term posters like Mitchman of omniscient order to post but would still bar obvious alt posting outfits like THE INTERNET. This would also prevent all new alt posting entities since the moderators could do a little due diligence and look them up in game.' is really atually quite good, specified Alliance leaders/CEO's and diplomats would all be able to post therby restricing the amount of spam, if anyone of them breaks the rules incuring a ban then it can effevt the whole corp/alliance for that time period causing people to take more responsibilty for their posts, Im sure CCP can add a role in the corp/Alliance so a restricted amount of individuals can post representative topics to their entity But what if we want to see things from the perspective of a grunt? Presumably they would be allowed to post their thoughts on a different forum, such as Warfare and Tactics? And if so, what's to stop the spammers simply moving to a different forum? Absolutely nothing, but at least in the short term we get a Active and easy to read CAOD involving every Alliance/Corp that wishes to post constructively, If and only the same spam hits another thread at least we will have 1 area where conflict and politics are easy to read/decipher and understand, and CCP and the responsible playerbase will help moderate the other forum area (a sort of work in progress)
NereSky Gallente Domination. Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.04 17:16:00 - [12] yeah but the polical battle/posts would be done by representatives of the Corp and/or alliance IN RL Noteworthy news is on the main stream news you dont find a grunt or some low key politician stating Govermental statute and perspectives, you get key members of goverment and military senior leaders All the others get to go on local and regional news ie the main headlines should be in CAOD
NereSky Gallente Domination. Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.04 17:22:00 - [13] Well all i can say is i can see points on both sides of the coin, theres been plenty of discussion which has been refreshing to see on CAOD, unfortunately im not the best poster in the world (far from it lol) And im trying my best to communicate my idea's with the best of intentions - the main point though there has to be changes to CAOD to make it constructive and the idea i have quoted is the best ive seen sofar albeit im sure CCP can look at it and tweek it to make it suit most players needs, but we have to clean up this forum somehow imo
NereSky Gallente Domination. Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.04 18:16:00 - [14] Originally by: Montasque Nothing constructive is being put forward by the likes of Jade, who is a REACTIONARY CONSERVATIVE through and through. Unfortunately for Jade, and his gang of haters, things will never be as they once were. EvE culturally has moved in a new direction, the player base is more American, and younger, and as CCP releases a boxed version of the game that new player base will continue to grow. And If you read between the lines a lot of what is posted in this thread is no better than a so called ægoon trash threadÆ. ThereÆs very little actual content and a lot of hate and vitriol being thrown around, but since itÆs under the guise of a wall-of-text people seem to give it a pass. I totally disagree i suggested a idea quite similar to Jades in February on this thread http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1000375&page=2 and tbh Jades is better written than mine was giving more clearer defined wording, as far as the anti-goon stuff ur suggesting the whole thread isnt just aimed at Goons except (and you have to agree) that a lot of posts that are spam/troll are made by Goons albeit i have seen some good threads/posts and the humour given on accassion has made me laugh but those rare posts are smothered by the rest of the goons posts of spam and troll
NereSky Gallente Domination. Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.04 19:02:00 - [15] Lol whats with these personnal attacks to Jade? hes posted with some really good ideas/suggestions and the only really constructive reply from some Goons is attack him All this is doing is proving a point re trolls, if a rstricted few from Alliances/corps were only allowed to post and they continued to troll/flame and go against the 'spirit of the game' then they will no longer be able to post therefore losing their voice on CAOD and the forums if they continue.
NereSky Gallente Domination. Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.04 19:14:00 - [16] Originally by: Ishbuanium Originally by: NereSky Lol whats with these personnal attacks to Jade? hes posted with some really good ideas/suggestions and the only really constructive reply from some Goons is attack him All this is doing is proving a point re trolls, if a rstricted few from Alliances/corps were only allowed to post and they continued to troll/flame and go against the 'spirit of the game' then they will no longer be able to post therefore losing their voice on CAOD and the forums if they continue. Killing the forum. All these attacks are on jade and those who keep saying this forum needs more moderation because these are the people who fail to contribute any content at all to it. They don't write battle reports, they don't do announcements about anything, they don't post anything that in any way contributes to the way this forum is supposed to be. That makes them worse than goons and the rest of their allies, who at least keep us up to date on what they are doing in Delve and those areas, regardless of how much it may seem like chest beating. So the message here is create content. Do something. CAOD doesn't need to be changed. You do. Start actually putting some effort and work into the board and see what comes out of it. Sorry i disagree but thanks for the comments as constructive as they werent :)
NereSky Gallente Domination. Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.04 19:20:00 - [17] Well all im going to say is ive already stated that i understand both sides of the discussion and when you say that ive dissed ur comment tbh i didnt and also its fair to say theres arguements for and against change so every person that agrees with you there will be someone who disagrees facts of life but i at least am trying to be personable. Have a nice day
NereSky Gallente Domination. Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.04 19:31:00 - [18] Originally by: Palmer Eldritch Edited by: Palmer Eldritch on 04/03/2009 19:27:19 Originally by: NereSky Lol whats with these personnal attacks to Jade? hes posted with some really good ideas/suggestions and the only really constructive reply from some Goons is attack him All this is doing is proving a point re trolls, if a rstricted few from Alliances/corps were only allowed to post and they continued to troll/flame and go against the 'spirit of the game' then they will no longer be able to post therefore losing their voice on CAOD and the forums if they continue. If I might add my own perspective - in recent days, Jade has consistently and it appears deliberately derailed threads on this board by repeatedly replying to threads with either i) his thoughts on changes that should be made to 0.0 warfare or ii) adverts for Star Fraction which properly belong in the recruitment forum, regardless of the original topic. Polite requests to stop have either been ignored, or, in the case of Goons, met with insulting comments describing us all as "insects". It's only natural therefore that when the same player complains about the standard of posting on COAD, the inconsistency is pointed out. Edit - Let me stress that this is the situation as I see it and not meant as an attempt to cause drama if you have a different view Then report his post and let the moderators do their work, theres no need to have a hundred people trolling/flaming him back on posts that are non inflamatory but hey it maybe a cultural thing but still against forum rules as is calling Goons insects, CAOD can be emotive i myself have have been guilty of inflamatory remarks which isnt in the spirit of the game, whence im one of the players calling for sterner moderation and a better CAOD and to be fair im not the only one, Anyway it appears this thread is getting de-railed and running off topic

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