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Branquinha
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Posted - 2009.03.03 16:06:00 -
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 Originally by: Pottsey
When we find the Sleepers how do we know they are Sleepers?
They'll be the ones sleeping... Try not to wake them up
as its rude!
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Branquinha
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Posted - 2009.03.03 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Ghengis Tia
I've read a lot of SciFi, but there are gaps in the story that require huge leaps of intellect and suspension of belief. The Thukkers suddenly open a dialogue with drones? I don't think so.
The cataclysmic event that causes the wormholes is the igniting of the huge amount of unstable elements in the hive and the Abaddon, that seems to be obvious.
The story has some very intriguing elements, but are negated by the apparant necessity to rush to create the cataclysmic event.
First you have the Sisters of Eve followed by the Blood Raiders with the Thukkers on their tail. Where does the conga line end? Are the Thukkers being followed by the Amarr proselitizers who are have Ishukone executives on board infiltrated by Gallente spies?
The story, as Eventy so critically pointed out, is shallow and doesn't fit the painstaking criteria of thoughtfulness the rest of the Eve universe does.
Back to the drawing board, folks, you can do better than this.
I belive an Caldari force recon ship on the service of Boundless Creation Factory is also on the Gallente spies tail... anyone else?
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Freezehunter
Gallente
O.W.N. Corp
OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.03 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Branquinha
Originally by: Ghengis Tia
I've read a lot of SciFi, but there are gaps in the story that require huge leaps of intellect and suspension of belief. The Thukkers suddenly open a dialogue with drones? I don't think so.
The cataclysmic event that causes the wormholes is the igniting of the huge amount of unstable elements in the hive and the Abaddon, that seems to be obvious.
The story has some very intriguing elements, but are negated by the apparant necessity to rush to create the cataclysmic event.
First you have the Sisters of Eve followed by the Blood Raiders with the Thukkers on their tail. Where does the conga line end? Are the Thukkers being followed by the Amarr proselitizers who are have Ishukone executives on board infiltrated by Gallente spies?
The story, as Eventy so critically pointed out, is shallow and doesn't fit the painstaking criteria of thoughtfulness the rest of the Eve universe does.
Back to the drawing board, folks, you can do better than this.
I belive an Caldari force recon ship on the service of Boundless Creation Factory is also on the Gallente spies tail... anyone else?
I believe that a Jovian cloaked battleship is over there, watching everyone else doing stuff and blowing up, while loling...
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Chris Liath
Gallente
The Vorlon Empire
Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2009.03.03 19:43:00 -
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My god how I loved the last line.
Only one word can describe this chronicle; that word is sublime.
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Lukas Rox
Torchwood Archive
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Posted - 2009.03.03 20:07:00 -
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Edited by: Lukas Rox on 03/03/2009 20:14:11
Sleepers were long gone. Life in it's very nature has both beginning and end. I was realizing that, while my crew was patiently analyzing the debris and ancient relics. It is why we came to Inder in the first place. While part of my consciousness was busy fending off Angel pirates, the rest was consumed by that thought.
Why a culture so advanced and so organized would ever die?
We are almost immortal. And we don't have a clue how this small Virtual Energizer can produce so much power, that would easily power all guns on this Navy Vexor-class cruiser. Yet, they are the ones who are gone, not us...
***
Sudden flash of light and energy struck me off guard. I have lost all camera drones at once, blinded by a powerful explosion in front of us. Short while after I managed to send new drones and have a look... a look at...
- What the hell is that?! - my thoughts vocalized out of the neocom on the bridge.
My crew was already on the sensor readings, trying to make out what has just appeared out of the thin vacuum of space.
- Readings are almost... It can't be. - said a tall man, one of the bridge officers.
- God damn, what is it man, tell us.
- It is.. eve gate sir. Just like it but smaller. A wormhole. The gravimetric distortion is off the scale, we have to move away, our structural integrity is already being compromised.
Camera drones registered a flicker of light, when one of the Angel frigates got caught in the gravity well and exploded, torn apart by the sheer gravimteric stress of the anomaly.
I have slowly backed off from the expanse, watching closely all the ripples, spiralling slowly inside out.
- Can you tell what is on the other side? - my thoughts sounded again on the bridge
Can you tell where would it take us?
- Negative sir, the interference is too great. But if this reading is correct, we should be able to pass through this wormhole, or whatever it is. It will be a bumpy ride, but should be similar to a stargate jump.
I have quicly informed HQ about our situation. The response was very fast. Go in. Gather as much information as you can. Get out.
I have set the course for the orifice of the anomaly. I felt the hull tremble under the amount of gravity emitted by the wormhole, I suddenly felt sick, as if spinning around for a minute and suddenly came to a halt.
- My God.
***
Two men were waiting outside with towels. I felt sick as if I was drinking whole night. The headache... not again. I have died again. Memories started to fill my mind, like empty cup being filled with hot coffe.
- Hello sir, we are glad to inform you... - the doctor started his sentence, the very same one you hear every time you die. Sort of die anyway.
- Shut up man, I need to speak to HQ as soon as I can. Give me HQ.
***
That day I knew what killed Sleepers. They had rogue drones of their own. Better. Stronger. Smarter. And now they have been awakened.
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Replicant Gamma
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Posted - 2009.03.03 21:15:00 -
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Who is talking to the drones?
IF its the Thukker capitan (which was suggested in this thread)- it is completly unbelivable. All of a sudde he becomes philosopher , and didnt even notice that his interlocutor is a plank of wood -responding to his existentional thoughts with very bright sentences like : "kill?" , "fire?"
So who is talking to the drones?
ps.
I finde it a bit unfair that to understand chronicles publicated here u have to have knowlage
from "emperian age " novel which i have no means to purchase - as many many eve players and many things are confusing..
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Amarr Citizen20090214
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Posted - 2009.03.03 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Eventy One
Originally by: Shimakkai Tsuun
I agree with you for the most part, but I have one critique: the Thukker captain's "speech" to the Drones comes from a flawed individual within the world. It's not presented as narrative, and therefore fact, that the drones really are alive. It's the ideas of a character whose words may be completely wrong. In fiction there's a concept called an unreliable narrator, where you can't necessarily trust what the protagonist is saying; American Psycho is a great example of this. I think that's probably the case here.
This is a good point.
I did take the narrative at face value, and did not consider flawed narrative. Thanks for this.
I am glad that you finally 'got it'
Are you feeling stupid now btw?
You just made a scene because you can't read properly.
Classic case for the intellecually-inferior complexed, always quick to jump into conclusion trying to prove that you are not stupid. Has it ever occur to you that some of human being's top scientists/intellects once argued that the world is flat, just as fierce as you and why? No wait, think on it at your own time, coz guess what, trying to define the meaning of life is NOT EVEN the point here.
For those who can't bare go thru all the wall of text here's a general recap : Abraxas wrote another chronicle in which, one of the character's view point clashes with Eventy One and he went nuts and shove 2 pages worth of wall of text on your face.
I couldn't think of a more fail response in here than
Originally by: FatFreddy
Well, that was a rather good example of cheap, not that well written sci-fi.
like a silent fart, groundless and weightless which everybody ignored.
Could be Eventy's alt too who knows.
P.S. Warning of another wall of text inc... watch out people.
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Arnulf Ogunkoya
Minmatar
The Causality
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Posted - 2009.03.03 23:29:00 -
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All in all I liked the story. Brave man that Thukker captain.
This is possibly the best reaction I have had to a piece of EVE fiction since the novel, which I hated.
That said.
I am amused at how incensed some people get at the idea that a non-biological entity could be considered to be alive though. Also, why should one drone hive react in the same way as another? People differ so why shouldn't hives?
Regards,
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Enthral
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Posted - 2009.03.04 01:49:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Eventy One
Edited by: Eventy One on 02/03/2009 16:02:34
The explanation doesn't matter; but for it to be believable, it must be coherent with the university you've already given us. But here you ask us to accept something without explanation, on hope alone.
That's why this story is crap, because in the telling of the story, assumptions have been made which are not consistent with EVE's existing reality. Worse, these unspoken assumptions have been employed only for superficial reasons - to make the story good. I'm not talking the superficial texture of the EVE universe, but the deep-rooted, unspoken assumptions.
This isn't the first time rogue drones are showcased in EVE chronicles. Their source is even explained in one called Rogue Drones, of all things. I would even go so far as to say it is common knowledge that rogue drones are at the very least semi-sentient. None of this is new.
I'm not sure what you expect. You're playing an Internet space ship game, where we routinely violate the laws of physics with our warp drives; use dubious pseudo-scientific means to jump between systems; and fly ships that act like submarines.
All of this, and you have a problem suspending belief that some machines which were originally designed by the Gallenteans to "think and act on their own" has evolved some form of consciousness?
If anything, you should be complaining about "Isogen-5", which as far as I can tell, was only just introduced in this chronicle series.
-Enthral
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Jahah Smith
Amarr
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.04 02:23:00 -
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Originally by: Nethras
though that does raise the issue of how exactly the Blood Raiders were retreating out of range in their skirmish with the Thukker defenders, as Vagas have a sizable speed advantage over Blood Raider ships to put it mildly 
As for this awesome chronicle, go Thukkers! 
The Thukkers were escorting a convoy, which implies slower ships (possibly industrials,) when on an escort mission it is usually bad form to leave behind the escorted ships just to chase targets as the first wave could just be there to string the defenders out and leave the meat open to salvage.
Granted this one vaga did, and he wanted to follow the Blood ship so he would have stayed at extreme sensor range to avoid detection as long as possible.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.03.04 07:41:00 -
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Isogen-5 dates back way before this chronicle series.
After reading the Eon chronicles where people get rid of their body's and live in machines with extra senses and the chronicle(s) about rogue drones I don't have a problem with this chronicle.
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Halo Tear
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
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Posted - 2009.03.04 09:07:00 -
[102]
Edited by: Halo Tear on 04/03/2009 09:12:12
Originally by: Zex Maxwell
Who was talking to the drones? was it the program that was uploaded to them, or the Blood Raider's Captain.
If I'm not much mistaken, it was the Thukker Captain's (Kotan?) talking to the rogue drones. This was his decission: to sacrifice his own life and that of his crew in order to secure the super weapons destruction, and he accomplished this by giving the conscious drones the CHOICE of destroying themselves seeing as how they would never obtain real freedom from their programming anyway ;o)
Now! Comming up on the clock channel: 6 O'CLOCK!
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.03.04 13:22:00 -
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There is one problem. HasnĘt is always been implied the standard drone is just that just a drone. ItĘs only the hive minds/queens that are truly conscious. How can a transmission reprogrammed hive mind/queens.
I find it hard to believe the queens and large hive minds can be reprogrammed by a simple message. ThatĘs like sending an email to a computer or a phone call over Skype and saying that phone message reprogrammed your PC. ItĘs not going happen and its much less likely to happen to an advanced conscious drone that can programme its self. Why did the drone leader not just ignore the message? Why did it not just reprogram its self. Why has it got no defences against this? If itĘs so easy to program a drone by sending something as simple as a transmission message from any ship why havenĘt the drones been wiped out?
Surly the message should have been just that, a message. Messages shouldnt reprogram drones. Sending a message to a drone is not going rewrite there core code.
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Kir'ian
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.03.04 15:42:00 -
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Loved it. Let me say that again... Loved it! This whole story line has been great.
The best part of this chapter... the last paragraph. I can't imagine anything more to this story. Simply... BOOM! After M10; news story about huge mysterious explosion, conspiracy theory new stories, building conflict as different factions try to research, more articles about the anomalies that *might* be related.
And ... I'll be waiting for the last cronicle even if I think its unecessary ... Tell me more! 
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Kir'ian
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2009.03.04 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Halo Tear
If I'm not much mistaken, it was the Thukker Captain's (Kotan?) talking to the rogue drones. This was his decission: to sacrifice his own life and that of his crew in order to secure the super weapons destruction, and he accomplished this by giving the conscious drones the CHOICE of destroying themselves seeing as how they would never obtain real freedom from their programming anyway ;o)
I read the conversation as not really convincing the drones to give up their lives because they will be no better, but because it would mirror the choice of a human. Sacrifice for a greater purpose. Something that a selfish drone might not understand, a piece of a philosphy they might not have had time to develop, a higher purpose then what they could sense even with their consciousness.
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Shaloran Kalior
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2009.03.04 16:49:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Kir'ian
Originally by: Halo Tear
If I'm not much mistaken, it was the Thukker Captain's (Kotan?) talking to the rogue drones. This was his decission: to sacrifice his own life and that of his crew in order to secure the super weapons destruction, and he accomplished this by giving the conscious drones the CHOICE of destroying themselves seeing as how they would never obtain real freedom from their programming anyway ;o)
I read the conversation as not really convincing the drones to give up their lives because they will be no better, but because it would mirror the choice of a human. Sacrifice for a greater purpose. Something that a selfish drone might not understand, a piece of a philosphy they might not have had time to develop, a higher purpose then what they could sense even with their consciousness.
I didnt read it as a conversation at all
I read it as the Thukker captain broadcasting on an open channel, hoping that the drones would receive, understand and respond by not attacking. The drone "responses" I read as a short burst hive wide communication/discussion between the drones as to their response to what the Thukker captain was saying while his ship was moving towards the hive/abaddon
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Tamarana
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Posted - 2009.03.04 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey
I find it hard to believe the queens and large hive minds can be reprogrammed by a simple message. ThatĘs like sending an email to a computer or a phone call over Skype and saying that phone message reprogrammed your PC. ItĘs not going happen and its much less likely to happen to an advanced conscious drone that can programme its self. Why did the drone leader not just ignore the message? Why did it not just reprogram its self. Why has it got no defences against this? If itĘs so easy to program a drone by sending something as simple as a transmission message from any ship why havenĘt the drones been wiped out?
Surly the message should have been just that, a message. Messages shouldnt reprogram drones. Sending a message to a drone is not going rewrite there core code.
This could not be so improbable.
Drone, when they are "created" need a way to be programmed and controlled.
Humans use different ways to program and control computers because natural language is not suited to the task.
If the drones are highly evolved machines, they could use a similar way to communicate between themselves. In this case, the complex message use by the Blood Raiders and developed by the Jovians could be simply the drove version of hypnosis. Or simply, the Jovians have a way to use some exploit of the drone's computer systems that permit them to overwrite part of the code.
The Jovians were adamant that the message needed to be transmitted integrally and without fault. They needed to transmit the message, that rewrote a part of the working memory of the drones enough to force them to follow a different program (like a virus). But without activating some hardwired defense (like activate some backup copy of their program), instead disactivating the ability of the drones to activate their software defenses.
The talk of the Minmatar Captain, if unable to activate the defense of the drones, were enough for the drone to understand what to do for "get free" of their new found chain.
"Give me liberty or give me death".
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SadisticSavior
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.04 17:17:00 -
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Quote:
Who says that mechanical or computational evolution, is sufficient for life? Mechanical or computational evolution extrapolated, merely results in greater complexity ... NOT LIFE.
How are you making a distinction? Any sufficiently complex system can appear infinite. How do you know people are any different from those drones? How do you know our "programming" (Biology + Experiences) is not simply a more complex version of what they have?
It could just be a matter of scale.
So I disagree with your analysis. Yes, complexity alone may be sufficient for life. We have no evidence to prove that "life" is not simply a finite system that is too complex for us to understand. So in the EVE universe it is reasonable to assume that programming that is sufficiently complex is "alive".
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Even in the EVE universe, this view is clearly suggested, that the basis for life is not physical. It is part of this universes' core-assumptions. How can we leap from clone to clone, materially separate things, and still be the same person? The EVE universe suggest that what makes us alive, is not our physical parts, our body, our clones; but rather our memories, our experiences, our metaphysical self.
How do you quantify a "metaphysical self"?? How do you know it exists at all?
No, to the contrary, the EVE universe suggests (via things like Jump Clones) that we have no "metaphysical self"...that we are ultimately just a very very complex program.
I agree we need more details on how drone AI works to make stories like this more believable. But I think the story is certainly consistent with the EVE universe as it has been described so far.
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Sunbird Huy
Caldari
Shadow's Hunters
Prismatic Refraction
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Posted - 2009.03.04 17:44:00 -
[109]
WOO-HOO!
Massive story!!
Great stuff!
CCP will need to include these stories as videos on each login. To create some sense of roleplay, even with the people utterly lacking interest in it.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.03.04 17:49:00 -
[110]
Did I miss or forget something? Are we sure it was the Jovian's that gave the code to the Blood Raiders.
I just find it hard it very hard to believe with all the drone mutations and changes over the years that any code could work on them anymore. If a code did work it should logically only work on some of them, as they now are all different due to many types of mutations.
It's not like you can fly off to one drone hive develop a virus to rewrite the core and use it on another hive. The hives are all meant to be different with different mutations.
I guess it is possible but it seems very unlikely. It's like creating a Virus; it won't work on all humans as humans are not all the same. More to the point if it's so easy to control or wipe out drones. Why have the people who did this not exploited it?
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Tamarana
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Posted - 2009.03.04 19:20:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Pottsey
Did I miss or forget something? Are we sure it was the Jovian's that gave the code to the Blood Raiders.
I just find it hard it very hard to believe with all the drone mutations and changes over the years that any code could work on them anymore. If a code did work it should logically only work on some of them, as they now are all different due to many types of mutations.
Probably true.
But, probably, the Jovians have developed a code for this type of drones. We know the Jovians have a very extended network of spies. So they could, probably, know things Amarr before even Jamyl Sarum or others know.
What they don't know is how the ship work.
And they wanted it to know how it work.
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It's not like you can fly off to one drone hive develop a virus to rewrite the core and use it on another hive. The hives are all meant to be different with different mutations.
True, but evolution (if the drone evolve and not design themselves) is a very conservative way to change things.
There is not be something like a "not fit" generation. Because a "not fit" generation will not produce offspring (it is the "selection" part in the evolution theory).
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I guess it is possible but it seems very unlikely. It's like creating a Virus; it won't work on all humans as humans are not all the same. More to the point if it's so easy to control or wipe out drones. Why have the people who did this not exploited it?
It will work well enough for the majority and the minority could need too much time to recover to be useful.
The story noted that a few drones started to work "fuzzily" after the patch was applied. Maybe, with a few time, they could be able to break the control.
But the Abbadon would be far far away, if and when they would recover their self control.
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Pesets
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Posted - 2009.03.04 20:53:00 -
[112]
I was under impression that more than one ship left the caravan to pursue the Blood Raiders. It isn't quite clear what happened to the rest of them.
Also, it's not clear why Jovians chose to rely on Blood Raiders to deliver that Abaddon; it seems they could've just as well done it themselves.
I also find it disturbing I'm getting more and more hooked up on these chronicles...
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.03.04 22:00:00 -
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Pesets said " Also, it's not clear why Jovians chose to rely on Blood Raiders to deliver that Abaddon; it seems they could've just as well done it themselves."
What am I missing? How do you know its Jovian's? What makes you think the Jove are even involved? Although I do agree it's odd who ever did it would rely on untrustworthy people like the Blood raiders over sending one of their own ships in.
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Lusulpher
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.03.04 22:14:00 -
[114]
Edited by: Lusulpher on 04/03/2009 22:19:13
Edited by: Lusulpher on 04/03/2009 22:18:34
Originally by: Altav Contero
Kill?
No, damnit. Stfu so we can listen!
Kill?
Jesus Christ, stfu!
.........kill?
Rogue drones attack Annoying Drone, striking perfectly for 1430.6 damage.
Yeah, seriously, that drone recently went rogue from 'the game that will not be mentioned'. Probably a Jenkiiiinnns! model.
Now the rest of the drones were having a wonderful 'Ghost In The Shell' discussion with Sleepers/Blood Raider Captain?/Jovians/themselves ?
'We Humans' refers to whom?
Do Hives communicate between Hives? That would make it interesting.
And in the artwork, who is viewing that cataclysm? The Vagabond(2nd Recon Cruiser edit) and Blood Raiders are dead(certainly?).
Moar chrons plweeze!
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Madcat144
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Posted - 2009.03.04 23:19:00 -
[115]
amazing!!! great chronicle mini series!!
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Letheeth Kayl
Amarr
Ammatar Free Corps
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Posted - 2009.03.05 00:35:00 -
[116]
I . . . I . . . damn.
The writing and story boarding for these chronicles is just incredible.
The amount of thought and effort is stunning, and only slightly marred by the recurring (minor) nuisance of typographical errors (down to one or fewer errors per chronicle! Which is really quite astounding in itself).
Story wise, I'm glad to see the Drones embraced the motto "Live Free or Die."
RP wise, this will make things very, very interesting when any portion of this surfaces on the other side of the fourth wall. Who gave Empress Jamyl the super weapon, because it wasn't the Jovians, the de facto head honchos on what does and doesn't happen. "Not interested in the weapon" my left ass cheek.
I'm afraid and looking waiting in anticipation at the same time!
Keep up the fantastic work Abraxas!
Put down the mirror and return to live
With pain With sin With despair
Live with penance in God's glory
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King KLoWn
Solaris Operations
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Posted - 2009.03.05 02:00:00 -
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Edited by: King KLoWn on 05/03/2009 02:04:59
My question is WHY would the Jovians help the Blood Raiders? I remember reading somewhere about the Jove super-weapon but what has happened too it?
I wish someone would elaborate how the Amarr super-weapon ended up in Drones Claws without having to get a book.
Last but not least does no one recognize that the Jove were up too something here?
Either they planned on betraying the Blood raiders and taking the Isogen-5 Weapon.
Or they were about to unleash HELL upon the Amarr Empire thru the Blood Raiders?
It is no secret that the Empress has been acting alittle strange for an Amarrian, is this also part of the Jove Plot? What happened too her when she disappeared? JOVE MIND CONTROL!! (Gets Tinfoil Hat)
Seriously though the Jove have always worked behind the scenes most of us know this. What were they trying to accomplish here? My best guess is someone is trying to destabilize the Amarr Empire, Uriam Kador Attack on Gallente the freeing of slaves serious departure's from traditional Amarr Mandates.
One last note The universe is getting very wierd IMO Amarr's actions Gallente suddenly using mass fleets and risking pilots (Serious departure there) Thukkor Tribe out of the darkness. But The Caldari are never mentioned and they have the largest pod pilot base of any race... Now the Dreaded Sleepers, only one force could contend with them if stories are to be believed and that would be..... Jove. We need to get this figured out... Or has CCP created too many story lines and it is just getting crazy without a proper narrative theme? |
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Posted - 2009.03.05 02:15:00 -
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Firstly, "Great Story" in my book! Why?
1) I could not wait for the next installment
2) It is elicited so many strong responses. Having been a performer in my younger years, ANY strong response, even a negative one, is better than a bland shrug of the shoulders.
Some things I have noticed
1) Many readers have jumped to conclusions about "who was talking to who", just as I suspect the author hoped. There is only conjecture over who was talking to the drones and if the response was hive or solitary.
2) Some dispute intelligent machines, is this because of religious beliefs? If we are only the sum of our learning and programming and nothing more, then machines getting to the same stage is quite feasible. If you believe is souls, spirts and other things metaphysical, then intelligent, emmotiional machines would challenge this.
3) Real World physics has nothing to do with EvE so why should any of the other threads be based in "reality"
Thanks again to the author and to all the comments, they have both made fantastic reading. Me, I will wait for the story to unfold and wait until "the end", before I try to guess what is/was/did happen.
Kemmec.
"Fly safe, or well armed ... then again what is the difference ???"
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Pesets
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Posted - 2009.03.05 07:23:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Pottsey
What am I missing? How do you know its Jovian's? What makes you think the Jove are even involved?
The previous chronicle strongly suggests they are. Society of Conscious Thought is a Jovian establishment.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2009.03.05 12:53:00 -
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As far as we know SCOT is not a Jovian establishment anymore. ItĘs run by none Jove, itĘs full of none Jove and back when Jove was involved it was a very different organisation. That and SCOT was banned from Jove space.
SCOT was a Jovian establishment 300 years ago but it does not appear to be one anymore. Not only was SCOT banned from Jove space but it opened its door to none Jove, has none Jove leaders. As far as I recall every single chronicle and story with SCOT people has the SCOT people as none Jove. Its also not listed as Jove establishment/Corp under the Jove race.
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