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CCP Abraxas
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Posted - 2009.03.02 13:53:00 -
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Edited by: CCP Abraxas on 02/03/2009 13:53:24
This is the penultimate piece in our lead-up to Apocrypha. This time, the Thukkers go for the golden ring. Let's see how they fare.
The very last chron will be published right after launch of the Apocrypha expansion. I want to emphasize that these stories are not the sole source of information for the Apocrypha RP background. They are intended to leave you with answers only to some of your questions. Keep an eye on the news and on in-game content, and some of you will undoubtedly uncover something interesting...
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Alex Bester
Gallente
Aeon Foundation - Science and Research Division
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Posted - 2009.03.02 14:05:00 -
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OMG!
Free choice! That is all it takes to remake the world.
I can hardly wait for the last one.
I must go into space again,
to the lonely stars and the endless sky,
and all I ask for is a fast ship
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Kenpachi Viktor
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.03.02 14:07:00 -
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Epic
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Todd Jaeger
Malevolent Evolution
The Church.
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Posted - 2009.03.02 14:07:00 -
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FIRS......damnit
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Tasha Voronina
Caldari
Caldari Navy Reserve Force
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Posted - 2009.03.02 14:18:00 -
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Oh. My. God. 
This is pure awesomeness. Can't wait for more. Need... my... fix... of... awesome... chronicles... 
In all seriousness though, nice story, can't wait to find out what the conclusion is going to be (precisely anyway, I think it's fairly obvious that that massive isogen-5 explosion will tear the cluster a new one, that the RP behind the "north star" that I seem to recall indicated a similar event in far-off space -> wormholes from there to here).
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2009.03.02 14:22:00 -
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Posting to confirm, that the sauce is awesome. 
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Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
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Posted - 2009.03.02 14:23:00 -
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Awesome!
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IceAero
Amarr
Shadow Company
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Posted - 2009.03.02 14:35:00 -
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Fantastic story.
The drones were well played, and their angst in response to their unwelcome new programming could really be felt.
I like the above poster's remark about that mysterious star...but that seemed like quite a while ago!
I still don't know why the Amarr would give up their weapon to this drone hive in 0.0...to refuel? Maybe, but how did they work out a truce with the drones in the first place? WHO are these drones??? and where is my raspberry danish??!?!
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Korerin Mayul
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Posted - 2009.03.02 14:42:00 -
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BOOOOOM!!!!! ^_^
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Tyrathect
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Posted - 2009.03.02 14:55:00 -
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first post with regards to a chronicle:
Great job! I may end up getting hooked on these...
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Ginako
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Posted - 2009.03.02 15:05:00 -
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I want a pet Sociopath Drone! 
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Myrhial Arkenath
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2009.03.02 15:07:00 -
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I loved how the drones' thoughts were portrayed.
CEO | Diary of a pod pilot |
Grek Forto
Malevolent Intentions
Dark Solar Empire
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Posted - 2009.03.02 15:14:00 -
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"I believe that long after you evolved from that stage there still existed within you that cold metal heart, that deep core which kept you from ascension."
Stargate much?
Nah, just kidding.
Great story!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Steve Zodiak
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Posted - 2009.03.02 15:24:00 -
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The impression I got was that the two parts were written by different people?
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CCP Abraxas
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Posted - 2009.03.02 15:25:00 -
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 Originally by: IceAero
I still don't know why the Amarr would give up their weapon to this drone hive in 0.0...to refuel? Maybe, but how did they work out a truce with the drones in the first place? WHO are these drones??? and where is my raspberry danish??!?!
The drones weren't refuelling the weapon so much as simply filling up the station itself. If you haven't read The Empyrean Age novel yet, you might want to give it a shot. It's fairly light on raspberry danishes, mind.
Originally by: Grek Forto
Stargate much?Nah, just kidding.
I blush to admit this, but I have seen only one episode of Stargate. It was dubbed in French, too.
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Esharan
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Posted - 2009.03.02 15:26:00 -
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i don't know this was O.K...seemed kind of anti climactic though..
do we even know what the super weapon is at this point?
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CCP Abraxas
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Posted - 2009.03.02 15:26:00 -
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Edited by: CCP Abraxas on 02/03/2009 15:27:21
Originally by: Steve Zodiak
The impression I got was that the two parts were written by different people?
I've written every End of the World chronicle up until now. The last one, which we plan on publishing right around patch day, will be written by me and Tony Gonzales.
Originally by: Esharan
i don't know this was O.K...seemed kind of anti climactic though..
Psst .. there's one more chronicle to go ...
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Kumi Unn
Amarr
Team Nugget
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Posted - 2009.03.02 15:27:00 -
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Vagabond?
Wouldn't a force recon be a better choice :-P
Great chronicle, why is the EVE Novel not sold at Barnes&Nobles?
Where else may I purchase it?
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Esharan
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Posted - 2009.03.02 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Abraxas
Edited by: CCP Abraxas on 02/03/2009 15:27:21
Originally by: Steve Zodiak
The impression I got was that the two parts were written by different people?
I've written every End of the World chronicle up until now. The last one, which we plan on publishing right around patch day, will be written by me and Tony Gonzales.
Originally by: Esharan
i don't know this was O.K...seemed kind of anti climactic though..
Psst .. there's one more chronicle to go ...
ohhhh pwn. Epic fail for me.
Can't wait for the last one then :)
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Eventy One
Magellan Exploration and Survey
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Posted - 2009.03.02 15:53:00 -
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Edited by: Eventy One on 02/03/2009 15:53:34
Talk about the ultimate bad B-movie ... suspension of dis-belief? This story is horrid! It appeals to all of our human hope, and none of our human reason.
Fiction and Science fiction don't have to mirror reality, but they do have to have a believable, consistent internal coherence. I don't believe this story does. How does a lifeless machine go from being a mechanical automaton to being alive? Where in the universe of EVE, is this ever suggested, posed, or explained?
Who says that mechanical or computational evolution, is sufficient for life? Mechanical or computational evolution extrapolated, merely results in greater complexity ... NOT LIFE.
Even in the EVE universe, this view is clearly suggested, that the basis for life is not physical. It is part of this universes' core-assumptions. How can we leap from clone to clone, materially separate things, and still be the same person? The EVE universe suggest that what makes us alive, is not our physical parts, our body, our clones; but rather our memories, our experiences, our metaphysical self. This view is reasonable and logically coherent, within the scope of the fiction.
Perhaps as players, we might hope that computational evolution is sufficient for life, but hope is a far cry from reason, and beyond what EVE's universe has suggested so far.
Even within our own actual universe, no-one has yet explained how inorganic proto-molecules are able to make the leap to life in cells or shown that simply complexity is sufficient for life. Our own actual experience doesn't suggest this yet. Our own experience both in EVE and out, suggests that there is something metaphysical about life.
However, until this story, this internally consistent element of EVE was coherent, believable - hallmarks of great fiction. EVE explains the detachment and reattachment of ourselves, to our clones though infomorph technology. Fine.
But along comes this story and suggests that life is merely the result of increased complexity? That's crap!
If life is merely the result of increased complexity, why aren't our pods, our ships, other complex things 'alive'?. Why isn't Jove technology, living technology then? If Jove technology is, why can't they fix themselves? Are drones, therefore, the most complex things built by human hands?
This shallow dramatic element is a bit hard to believe, to big a pill to swallow. It is acceptable to simply pose a plot element, as an ornament to a story, if it profoundly effects the reality the fiction has worked hard to establish? I think not.
If there's more to the evolution of drone life, than simple development; if the evolution of these computational devices have made the leap from P to NP explain it - suggest it. Give us something consistent with the fiction you've given us so far. How did drones become 'alive'? At what point was sentience reached? What event was seminal?
The explaination doesn't matter; but for it to be believable, it must be coherent with the university you've already given us. But here you ask us to accept something without explaination, on hope alone.
That's why this story is crap, because in the telling of the story, assumptions have been made which are not consistent with EVE's existing reality. Worse, these unspoken assumptions have been employed only for superficial reasons - to make the story good. I'm not talking the superficial texture of the EVE universe, but the deep-rooted, unspoken assumptions.
I'm sorry, but as entertaining as the story is, it is shallow and superficial to simply gloss over significant plot elements which have such profound effects on the universe you've given us to date.
Ask us to believe in a fictional universe, we will, if it is consistent. Change the rules mid-stream, or suggest new unanticipated ones, however, and risk raising our ire.
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RabbidFerret
Prophets Of a Damned Universe
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Posted - 2009.03.02 16:10:00 -
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Edited by: RabbidFerret on 02/03/2009 16:09:59
Eventy One, its a game m8, no one is attempting to explain the meaning of life.
Life questions aside, I thought it was very good. I called the ending last week when I heard about the wormholes though :)
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Zex Maxwell
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.02 16:15:00 -
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Who was talking to the drones? was it the program that was uploaded to them, or the Blood Raider's Captain.
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Eventy One
Magellan Exploration and Survey
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Posted - 2009.03.02 16:16:00 -
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Edited by: Eventy One on 02/03/2009 16:28:28
Originally by: RabbidFerret
Edited by: RabbidFerret on 02/03/2009 16:09:59
Eventy One, its a game m8, no one is attempting to explain the meaning of life.
Oh. I'm sorry. I thought this was where we came to discuss the story, its strengths and weaknesses, rather than simply paying it lip-service.
Originally by: RabbidFerret
Life questions aside, I thought it was very good. I called the ending last week when I heard about the wormholes though :)
I thought this story was crap, and inconsistent with other elements of the EVE fiction. No doubt there will be some who come here only to pay it lip-service.
Could you kindly point me towards the forum for discussing stories?
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zandayus
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Posted - 2009.03.02 16:20:00 -
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this story should be an Eve novel unto itself.great writing and imagination.awaiting the next eposide with interest.
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Louis deGuerre
Gallente
Public Funded War Targets
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Posted - 2009.03.02 16:27:00 -
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I thought the Sister of Eve one was weak, but this one is very well done. *applauds*
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Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.03.02 16:29:00 -
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This story reminds me about making a brain-computer interface. Good stuff.
I have always been fascinated by the rogue drones, being the only non-human NPC entity that players can meet in space. I especially like you your separation of humans and machines and how it is impossible for a machine to go against its nature and become human, though this is often portrayed as possible in many other sci-fi stories.
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Kade Jeekin
Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2009.03.02 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Eventy One
... How does a lifeless machine go from being a mechanical automaton to being alive? Where in the universe of EVE, is this ever suggested, posed, or explained?...
Rogue Drones Chronicle
Also, check the origin of the drone regions.
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Outface the depths of evil with clarity
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Murdock Jern
Caldari
Gears of Progress
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Posted - 2009.03.02 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: IceAero
I still don't know why the Amarr would give up their weapon to this drone hive in 0.0...to refuel? Maybe, but how did they work out a truce with the drones in the first place? WHO are these drones??? and where is my raspberry danish??!?!
Have a read of EVE EMPYREAN AGE novel. Although a little dated now, it helps explain why the Abbadon is at the hive, as well as the superweapon, and how it was discovered. It also helps fill alot of the backstory.
Otherwise, a good read, Abraxas
MJ
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Jimmy Duce
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Posted - 2009.03.02 17:04:00 -
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My drones often go rogue, nothing new. But maybe they are torn kill? Lovely story.
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Fenris Ulfur
Tenacious Tendencies
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Posted - 2009.03.02 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: Eventy One
Edited by: Eventy One on 02/03/2009 16:02:34
Wall of stuff....
So you are mad because Abraxas wrote a story where a captain of an Internet space ship talks to a drone with an AI (Artificial being the key word here) about it being alive?
Originally by: Eventy One
Even within our own actual universe, no-one has yet explained how inorganic proto-molecules are able to make the leap to life in cells or shown that simply complexity is sufficient for life
But don't you say here that no one knows what makes inanimate objects "alive"? So if Abraxas wants to say that his fictional AI drones are alive then he is not making any wrong statements since the universal definition of life doesn't exist.
One might say that every living thing has a soul so the statement might go that machines don't have a soul and there for aren't alive. Or for some it might be the power to make decisions on your own, or the ability to have feelings or number of other things.
Since we don't know what makes us alive other then our own definition of the word "living", that is that we are alive because thats just the way that things are, and we are all made up of "dead" material that somehow comes together and makes us "alive" then why couldn't it be possible in a fictional universe in a internet space ship game that machines that have AI's and thus capable of sentient thought are alive also since they are also made up of "dead" materials?
We both use electricity, and we even use primitive things like tendon's which are connected to muscles that activate by getting electrical signals from the brain to pull our fingers together! Thats just like using a piece of rope tied to a motor which in turn is connected to a control unit with an AI!
So how on earth do you get the idea that we are more alive than machines that do exactly the same things as we do and even better in a fictional Internet space ship game when we are more alike than you apparently realize?
Originally by: Clansworth
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