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Detshni Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.03 17:48:00 - [1] I am snipe ratting with a raven now, and have considered the Nighthawk... does the nighthawk kill faster? I have maxed missile skills. Jita Beer, cool, cold, green, and clear.
Shadowsword Epsilon Lyr Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.03.03 18:47:00 - [2] The NH is better for two reasons: - You can put up to 4 damage mods, and do more raws dps. - More of that raw dps become real dps against cruisers and frigs. ------------------------------------------
Fatty McPie	Posted - 2009.03.03 18:54:00 - [3] I have been ratting & doing missions in both, for just killing 0.0 rats both ships will do the job. If you are lazy and have alot of isk i would go for a passive nh. It will kill both cruisers & bs's fast and you can warp in at 0km to belts to get closer to the loot and dont have to care about the tank. In the raven you will also kill everything fast, but if you forget the shieldbooster on you can end up in a sticky situation with no cap, no shield and in worst case no ship. But you also have to have in mind that if you get your nh blown up you will get almost nothing from the insurance. If you have your raven insured you will get alot of isk back, and the fitting is cheaper.
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2009.03.03 18:55:00 - [4] Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 03/03/2009 18:54:39 Raven runs 4 damage mods as well.... But NH is better at killing smaller targets. Its about risk vs rewards, a NH is expencive, a Raven is not. Take your pick ;)
De Guantanamo	Posted - 2009.03.03 18:55:00 - [5] I love the nighthawk. I'm sure its a great ratter. Doesn't change the fact that the raven works just fine and does not cost +200mil and is insurable (for when you inevitably get ganked). 9 times out of 10, use a raven. Nighthawk for plexes in relatively safe space is okay though.
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2009.03.03 19:46:00 - [6] Raven - more dps, cheaper
puckohontas	Posted - 2009.03.03 20:41:00 - [7] Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 Raven - more dps, cheaper with torps yeah, but also if you got nice fertile belts, you warp off faser in nh and lock faster. and fly faster so hard to say. nh does 500dps+ while raven with cruise is having little harder to manage
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2009.03.03 21:06:00 - [8] Why not to use torps? Most of the time rats are 20-25km from warp to 0, well inside torp range and target painter range and with javelins you can be aligned all the time to next belt. If you lack skills, use missile velocity/flight time rigs. And i think raven has more dps even with cruises - and dont count drone dps .
Detshni Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.03 21:28:00 - [9] I use cruise missiles... guess that was my choice at the time.. should I go for torps instead? Jita Beer, cool, cold, green, and clear.
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis	Posted - 2009.03.03 21:49:00 - [10] Raven. Two free high slots for fun ratting equipment. Cloak + Neut ftw *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Multi Paladin	Posted - 2009.03.03 21:53:00 - [11] Torps is not a good idea for a raven, at best you'll be hitting around 30-40km. With my torp raven I can triple volley a 1.5mill bounty BS but trying to kill a scramble or web frig takes over half an hour (not fun for 0.0 ratting). Plus if you use torps its like using a blasterthron. You NEED an MWD which will leave you almost capless and with shield boost. I would say nighthawk as it will eat through cruisers and bs's as fast as a cruise raven and still has mobility and tank that a torp raven doesn't offer. (Although for pure DPS I can get a TII raven at a torp 1100+ and a cruise at 650+)
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2009.03.03 22:14:00 - [12] Originally by: Multi Paladin Torps is not a good idea for a raven, at best you'll be hitting around 30-40km. Javelins can hit to 50-60km. Originally by: Multi Paladin With my torp raven I can triple volley a 1.5mill bounty BS but trying to kill a scramble or web frig takes over half an hour (not fun for 0.0 ratting). Use light drones on scrambling frigs. Originally by: Multi Paladin I would say nighthawk as it will eat through cruisers and bs's as fast as a cruise raven and still has mobility and tank that a torp raven doesn't offer. You only want to kill battleships when you are chaining, and you dont need that much tank /especially when you are flying 800-1000 dps torp raven/.
EinaruS Euphoria Released Force Of Evil	Posted - 2009.03.03 23:52:00 - [13] the nighthawk does NOT kill faster. we're talking about 300 dps give or take the raven at good skills is quite better and less expensive. i've tested and tried quite a bit done calculations and stuff the raven is in general the best PVE ship to use. if you're hunting sansha/bloods it's geddon anything else it's raven. - A finger...especially the middle one, is worth more than any amount of isk
puckohontas	Posted - 2009.03.04 00:08:00 - [14] Edited by: puckohontas on 04/03/2009 00:09:06 Originally by: EinaruS the nighthawk does NOT kill faster. we're talking about 300 dps give or take the raven at good skills is quite better and less expensive. i've tested and tried quite a bit done calculations and stuff the raven is in general the best PVE ship to use. if you're hunting sansha/bloods it's geddon anything else it's raven. if you can fly nh, you probably have heavy missile spec4+ and other missile support on 4-5, with 4bcu, dont you do like 400-450dps atleast? Edit: even a drake does over 400dps with ease if you use faction ammo with heavy launchers, atleast the one i ratted with long time ago
TrollmoreX	Posted - 2009.03.04 00:50:00 - [15] Originally by: EinaruS the nighthawk does NOT kill faster. we're talking about 300 dps give or take the raven at good skills is quite better and less expensive. i've tested and tried quite a bit done calculations and stuff the raven is in general the best PVE ship to use. if you're hunting sansha/bloods it's geddon anything else it's raven. Protip: Dont fit 5x SPR II on a nighthawk, it sucks
Al Thorr Caldari The Wheel	Posted - 2009.03.04 01:05:00 - [16] Silly point but if you have max missle skills , then surely you should know what you can kill. maybe just me regards Al Thorr "You cant polish a turd" - The new rendered font is living proof.
Detshni Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.04 08:11:00 - [17] ok, ty for the help guys: Conclusion>> Sticking to cruise missiles sticking to raven. Jita Beer, cool, cold, green, and clear.
Jack Bombardier	Posted - 2009.03.04 08:22:00 - [18] Originally by: EinaruS the nighthawk does NOT kill faster. we're talking about 300 dps give or take the raven at good skills is quite better and less expensive. i've tested and tried quite a bit done calculations and stuff the raven is in general the best PVE ship to use. if you're hunting sansha/bloods it's geddon anything else it's raven. You look familiar.
GyokZoli Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.04 09:08:00 - [19] Originally by: EinaruS the nighthawk does NOT kill faster. we're talking about 300 dps give or take the raven at good skills is quite better and less expensive. i've tested and tried quite a bit done calculations and stuff the raven is in general the best PVE ship to use. if you're hunting sansha/bloods it's geddon anything else it's raven. OMG, my Nighthawk does 600 DPS with Fury heavies and T2 Hobgoblins. And Fury heavies are really good even against cruisers these days...
Xapharia WOLIMAZO INC	Posted - 2009.03.04 12:46:00 - [20] Originally by: Lugalzagezi666 Why not to use torps? Most of the time rats are 20-25km from warp to 0, well inside torp range and target painter range and with javelins you can be aligned all the time to next belt. If you lack skills, use missile velocity/flight time rigs. And i think raven has more dps even with cruises - and dont count drone dps . Not all rats orbit or spawn inside that range... When you get a belt where they're 110km from your warp in and they orbit at 60km you'd wish you had cruise missiles instead. _________________________ Originally by: CCP Whisper Boo hoo. Cry some more.
Lugalzagezi666	Posted - 2009.03.04 14:22:00 - [21] Originally by: Xapharia Not all rats orbit or spawn inside that range... When you get a belt where they're 110km from your warp in and they orbit at 60km you'd wish you had cruise missiles instead. Yes that can happen. But there are only few npc battleships that orbit at more than 50km - solution is mwd. But really - MOST of the time rats spawn inside torp range. And i am not against using cruise raven - tbh with cruise raven with 600+ dps you are killing rats faster, than they can spawn, if you are not ratting in system with more than 12 belts and -1.0 truesec /and good chain/. But this gives you time for looting or salvaging.

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