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Raven Norsca	Posted - 2004.08.13 03:52:00 - [61] Wait. you scrambled him? from what 10k? and couldn't catch up to the pod IN YOUR FRIGATE to switch to a more thermal damaging lens type? what u couldn't bare that.. millisecond it takes to swap lens'? or is it you just wheren't carrying them around with you because you thought that 1 ammo type would be sufficent for all your work? which is it?
Raven Norsca	Posted - 2004.08.13 03:52:00 - [62] Wait. you scrambled him? from what 10k? and couldn't catch up to the pod IN YOUR FRIGATE to switch to a more thermal damaging lens type? what u couldn't bare that.. millisecond it takes to swap lens'? or is it you just wheren't carrying them around with you because you thought that 1 ammo type would be sufficent for all your work? which is it?
Raven Norsca	Posted - 2004.08.13 04:07:00 - [63] Edited by: Raven Norsca on 13/08/2004 04:13:07 Edited by: Raven Norsca on 13/08/2004 04:08:58 not at all. who cares if it's 90% resistant to em? lasers dish out more than enough thermal. they don't take 10 seconds to reload and fire about twice as fast as anything else. so RADIO crystals not crushing a pod isn't such a big deal if you'd take a second to swap lens' for higher damage potental. Or is it to much of a drawback for lasers to have a teeny tiny itty bitty flaw? they're already better than any other weapon.. EDIT: Maybe it was intentional cause Lasers track better than any weapon and they don't want pods being popped THAT easily.
Raven Norsca	Posted - 2004.08.13 04:07:00 - [64] Edited by: Raven Norsca on 13/08/2004 04:13:07 Edited by: Raven Norsca on 13/08/2004 04:08:58 not at all. who cares if it's 90% resistant to em? lasers dish out more than enough thermal. they don't take 10 seconds to reload and fire about twice as fast as anything else. so RADIO crystals not crushing a pod isn't such a big deal if you'd take a second to swap lens' for higher damage potental. Or is it to much of a drawback for lasers to have a teeny tiny itty bitty flaw? they're already better than any other weapon.. EDIT: Maybe it was intentional cause Lasers track better than any weapon and they don't want pods being popped THAT easily.
Ambitio	Posted - 2004.08.13 06:44:00 - [65] I think it is far to easy to kill a pod, it should be something special. Now they get destroyed all the time. I think that the pod should get more resistance and more hitpoints.
Ambitio	Posted - 2004.08.13 06:44:00 - [66] I think it is far to easy to kill a pod, it should be something special. Now they get destroyed all the time. I think that the pod should get more resistance and more hitpoints.
Kel Shek	Posted - 2004.08.13 07:19:00 - [67] Quote: Systems and components don't get damaged until you are down to structure where Pod EM resistance is 0% so that's an invalid argument. I've never heard of a pod getting damage until after the ship has blown up from around it. you are taking it too literally, damage done to the vessel would not reasonably happen in a "peeling an onion" sense where you exclusively damage the outermost part... especially with non-physical damage, like electromagnetic, it would effect internal parts of the ship as well. its simply useless, if possible, to portray this in any meaningful way in this setting. you shoot something that electrecutes the target, against a brick wall, it ain't gonna do a whole lot of damage against the wall. but if the wall is conductive, and theres an electric shock senetitive item on the other side of it, it could be damaged. the whole point of my posting on this, is trying to get across the fact that theres a reasoning as to why a pod would be particularly uneffected by EM-type of damage. Quote: Same goes for EVE's pod, basic goal is to make sure pilots have at least a chance to survive once coming out of the ship. actually from the storys and such, apparently you pilot the ship from inside the pod... its neural immersion and isolation, as well as a means of escape. :shrug: I've never tried using lasers seriously, but c'mon. this is NOT a "problem" really worth fussing about, now is it? ~~~~~ To see a World in a Grain of Sand And Heaven in a Wild Flower Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand And Eternity in an hour ~~William Blake
Kel Shek	Posted - 2004.08.13 07:19:00 - [68] Quote: Systems and components don't get damaged until you are down to structure where Pod EM resistance is 0% so that's an invalid argument. I've never heard of a pod getting damage until after the ship has blown up from around it. you are taking it too literally, damage done to the vessel would not reasonably happen in a "peeling an onion" sense where you exclusively damage the outermost part... especially with non-physical damage, like electromagnetic, it would effect internal parts of the ship as well. its simply useless, if possible, to portray this in any meaningful way in this setting. you shoot something that electrecutes the target, against a brick wall, it ain't gonna do a whole lot of damage against the wall. but if the wall is conductive, and theres an electric shock senetitive item on the other side of it, it could be damaged. the whole point of my posting on this, is trying to get across the fact that theres a reasoning as to why a pod would be particularly uneffected by EM-type of damage. Quote: Same goes for EVE's pod, basic goal is to make sure pilots have at least a chance to survive once coming out of the ship. actually from the storys and such, apparently you pilot the ship from inside the pod... its neural immersion and isolation, as well as a means of escape. :shrug: I've never tried using lasers seriously, but c'mon. this is NOT a "problem" really worth fussing about, now is it? ~~~~~ To see a World in a Grain of Sand And Heaven in a Wild Flower Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand And Eternity in an hour ~~William Blake
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2004.08.13 10:24:00 - [69] Wow, people find an advantage over lasers and lose balance out of sight. Lets face is, is it balanced cruiser weapons do 4-5 damage a shot to a pod? Nope, it isnt. Oh, and btw, pods have shields and armor dont they? The shield resistances are exacly the same as usual ships. But armor jumps out, to 90% EM. Just get EM resistance to 60% and be done with it. /Elve New Video out! Watch me!
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2004.08.13 10:24:00 - [70] Wow, people find an advantage over lasers and lose balance out of sight. Lets face is, is it balanced cruiser weapons do 4-5 damage a shot to a pod? Nope, it isnt. Oh, and btw, pods have shields and armor dont they? The shield resistances are exacly the same as usual ships. But armor jumps out, to 90% EM. Just get EM resistance to 60% and be done with it. /Elve New Video out! Watch me!
Scorpyn	Posted - 2004.08.13 10:29:00 - [71] Originally by: Yakoza Pods are also made of different mineral compositions then ships, mostly nocxium. So they won't react the same as a normal ship which focuses on mex, pyre, and trit. Pods are actually made out of nothing. Capsule BP Merlin BP Note that there are no minerals listed on the capsule bp, but there are on the merlin bp. Also note that I'd be kinda nice to be able to insure the pod, as the base price is 9999999 (it'd kill the economy in eve though). Ok, all bull**** aside, when something seems wrong I don't really see the point in not discussing it, and this one looks like a typo to me (I bet it was meant to be 60% but someone probably pressed the wrong button). 60% is still the highest resistance, and it's more equal to the other ships and it generally makes more sense.
Scorpyn	Posted - 2004.08.13 10:29:00 - [72] Originally by: Yakoza Pods are also made of different mineral compositions then ships, mostly nocxium. So they won't react the same as a normal ship which focuses on mex, pyre, and trit. Pods are actually made out of nothing. Capsule BP Merlin BP Note that there are no minerals listed on the capsule bp, but there are on the merlin bp. Also note that I'd be kinda nice to be able to insure the pod, as the base price is 9999999 (it'd kill the economy in eve though). Ok, all bull**** aside, when something seems wrong I don't really see the point in not discussing it, and this one looks like a typo to me (I bet it was meant to be 60% but someone probably pressed the wrong button). 60% is still the highest resistance, and it's more equal to the other ships and it generally makes more sense.
Meridius	Posted - 2004.08.13 15:37:00 - [73] Yes the armor resist for pods should be the standard 60%. I'd also like to point out that pods have 125armor and only 50shield. ________________________________________________________
Meridius	Posted - 2004.08.13 15:37:00 - [74] Yes the armor resist for pods should be the standard 60%. I'd also like to point out that pods have 125armor and only 50shield. ________________________________________________________
Koris	Posted - 2004.08.13 16:58:00 - [75] Edited by: Koris on 13/08/2004 17:00:04 You know what I find humorous, all these forum pvp'ers consistantly trying to demean others with name calling noob, newbie carebear and such. But they are the main ones finding asinine complaints about a unbalanced issue that if changed would become unbalance and give them a unfair advantage. Now I know of some serious pvp'ers and this isn't meant for them as they hardly if ever post in the forum. But what happen to all you guys screaming adapt or die ?
Koris	Posted - 2004.08.13 16:58:00 - [76] Edited by: Koris on 13/08/2004 17:00:04 You know what I find humorous, all these forum pvp'ers consistantly trying to demean others with name calling noob, newbie carebear and such. But they are the main ones finding asinine complaints about a unbalanced issue that if changed would become unbalance and give them a unfair advantage. Now I know of some serious pvp'ers and this isn't meant for them as they hardly if ever post in the forum. But what happen to all you guys screaming adapt or die ?
Yakoza	Posted - 2004.08.13 20:38:00 - [77] Originally by: Scorpyn Pods are actually made out of nothing. Sorry, they are, read the lore. Just because you can't refine/make a pod doesn't mean that the minerals in it don't exist or count for that it's made of. Otherwise you would start as a floating corpse because your newb ship and pod are made of nothing Originally by: Mrissa Easeah You (seemingly) ask the community, on a community forum 'Why are ... ?" and you get several community answers, then deride the respondants you don't like?! Originally by: Mrissa Easeah If aimed at your fellow players, at least pretend to respect their opinions instead of using trite epithets. Amen, this seems to be the path the forums are taking and it's this path that drives away people and begins to pollute any response requested by the devs. Maby you should be forced to write an essay outlining why you like or dislike the changes before your vote counts --------------------------------------------- The opinions posted here are mine, and do not necessarily reflect the goals or opinions of my corperation or affiliates. "*BS > Cruiser \| Cruiser > Frigate \| Frigate(s) > BS" -Vlad Hazzard "'You wreck Asteroid (Scordite) for 215 m3 of ore'" -Pandora Panda "It seems that some people think that by aquiring a battleship they are entitled to some kind of invulnerability-switch* -Marc Wiatt
Yakoza	Posted - 2004.08.13 20:38:00 - [78] Originally by: Scorpyn Pods are actually made out of nothing. Sorry, they are, read the lore. Just because you can't refine/make a pod doesn't mean that the minerals in it don't exist or count for that it's made of. Otherwise you would start as a floating corpse because your newb ship and pod are made of nothing Originally by: Mrissa Easeah You (seemingly) ask the community, on a community forum 'Why are ... ?" and you get several community answers, then deride the respondants you don't like?! Originally by: Mrissa Easeah If aimed at your fellow players, at least pretend to respect their opinions instead of using trite epithets. Amen, this seems to be the path the forums are taking and it's this path that drives away people and begins to pollute any response requested by the devs. Maby you should be forced to write an essay outlining why you like or dislike the changes before your vote counts --------------------------------------------- The opinions posted here are mine, and do not necessarily reflect the goals or opinions of my corperation or affiliates. "*BS > Cruiser \| Cruiser > Frigate \| Frigate(s) > BS" -Vlad Hazzard "'You wreck Asteroid (Scordite) for 215 m3 of ore'" -Pandora Panda "It seems that some people think that by aquiring a battleship they are entitled to some kind of invulnerability-switch* -Marc Wiatt
Vardemis	Posted - 2004.08.14 09:39:00 - [79] If you know your weaknesses and don't try to compensate them you just don't deserve to kill anything. A race has a penalty, so what? Every race the same would be so boring and since you are not limited by your race regarding skill training that isn't really an issue in my opinion.
Vardemis	Posted - 2004.08.14 09:39:00 - [80] If you know your weaknesses and don't try to compensate them you just don't deserve to kill anything. A race has a penalty, so what? Every race the same would be so boring and since you are not limited by your race regarding skill training that isn't really an issue in my opinion.
Shenrogar	Posted - 2004.08.14 13:09:00 - [81] Edited by: Shenrogar on 14/08/2004 13:11:06 i would guess the reason for this was when the jovians designed their pods they realized that electro-magnetic pulses were used to take down computer systems therefore you should think about this, do you want your life support going out when your trying to run away
Shenrogar	Posted - 2004.08.14 13:09:00 - [82] Edited by: Shenrogar on 14/08/2004 13:11:06 i would guess the reason for this was when the jovians designed their pods they realized that electro-magnetic pulses were used to take down computer systems therefore you should think about this, do you want your life support going out when your trying to run away
Mara Quinn	Posted - 2004.08.14 14:13:00 - [83] This thread is funny.. Why should all the races be equal.. there are different. Just because a caldari gets a cepter, why should the amarrians... this is one aspect i find annoying in the game... Just because pods have a high EM dmg res, dont cry about it.. its just one of them things..
Mara Quinn	Posted - 2004.08.14 14:13:00 - [84] This thread is funny.. Why should all the races be equal.. there are different. Just because a caldari gets a cepter, why should the amarrians... this is one aspect i find annoying in the game... Just because pods have a high EM dmg res, dont cry about it.. its just one of them things..
Nira Li	Posted - 2004.08.14 15:19:00 - [85] this should be the resistance: EM 90% Explosiv 60% Kinetic 70% Thermal 65% would give the pod a little chanse to escape no matter the race and would be more fun to try to pod someone especially in a frig. snip trolling removed - Sherkaner
Nira Li	Posted - 2004.08.14 15:19:00 - [86] this should be the resistance: EM 90% Explosiv 60% Kinetic 70% Thermal 65% would give the pod a little chanse to escape no matter the race and would be more fun to try to pod someone especially in a frig. snip trolling removed - Sherkaner
Roderic Excelion	Posted - 2004.08.15 02:22:00 - [87] Edited by: Roderic Excelion on 15/08/2004 02:24:01 Know what i find most funny? No weapon can kill the pod in one hit that I know off, thus you have to scramble it. Since it has no slots to fit an armour rep, who cares if your weapon does 5 damage per shot, you'll still kill them. Oh, and stop saying it's racist. Half the Matari start with laser use, and any race can learn to use them or start with them if they went through gunnery acadamy, and finaly 1/4 Caldari and Matari ammo is EMP too.
Roderic Excelion	Posted - 2004.08.15 02:22:00 - [88] Edited by: Roderic Excelion on 15/08/2004 02:24:01 Know what i find most funny? No weapon can kill the pod in one hit that I know off, thus you have to scramble it. Since it has no slots to fit an armour rep, who cares if your weapon does 5 damage per shot, you'll still kill them. Oh, and stop saying it's racist. Half the Matari start with laser use, and any race can learn to use them or start with them if they went through gunnery acadamy, and finaly 1/4 Caldari and Matari ammo is EMP too.
Sherkaner	Posted - 2004.08.15 08:49:00 - [89] Okay, I've tried to remove most trolling, off-topic and unconstructive posts, but I honestly don't have much hope for this thread. Yes, 90% EM damage resistance looks a bit strange. Yes, this might be an issue to players who exclusively deal EM damage. But is it really worth discussing 4 pages about it? I'll watch the thread and see if some more constructive posts pop up, but if the trolling and noob-calling continues, it will get locked. forum rules \| [email protected]
Sherkaner	Posted - 2004.08.15 08:49:00 - [90] Okay, I've tried to remove most trolling, off-topic and unconstructive posts, but I honestly don't have much hope for this thread. Yes, 90% EM damage resistance looks a bit strange. Yes, this might be an issue to players who exclusively deal EM damage. But is it really worth discussing 4 pages about it? I'll watch the thread and see if some more constructive posts pop up, but if the trolling and noob-calling continues, it will get locked. forum rules \| [email protected]

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