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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.03.04 09:17:00 -
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Edited by: Rells on 04/03/2009 09:17:14 In the beginning the core concept of Eve was a game that was primarily focused on PvP with some scattered PvE elements to facilitate the PvP. Back in these old days CONCORD didn't exist and safety was not to be had. The game had a real sense of risk versus reward. The further you went out from the relative safety of the newbie areas, the better the rewards.
Security Status was the crack in the armor. Security status or Alignment or Rogue status, they are all slightly different flavors of the same thing. Security status was put in to provide consequence to a game where the only consequence was the ire of your neighbor. It was put in to appease the carebear sensability. However, it was to be limited in scope, and weak in enforcement outside "safe" space. But safe space started to grow.
Pirates, such as I in my early years, took advantage of the standings system. I pirated for 2 years and never went below about -2.0. The warning color was good for psychological effect. I would just simply farm a bunch of rats to get the standings back up. However, as the number of carebears grew in the game so did their financial power. Changes were demanded and granted. CONCORD became invincible and then INSTANT and invincible. Raising standings from killing rats was massively scaled back. The rise of the carebears had begun.
Content started shifting when CCP began introducing Zydrine and Megacyte in empire loot drops off rats. Before that, if you had a mining operation in a good field in 0.0, you could make a fortune after you managed to get it to market. It wouldnt be easy but could be done. CCP changed that and their "small" amounts of zydrine and megacyte turned into large amounts given that players ratted and missioned in empire in a nauseating amount.
Next came the nerfing of the lucrative 0.0 complexes that had built 0.0. Now the introduction of level 4 missions wiped out any real reason to try and make money except in the most rich areas like Delve and Venal. (Those are in 0.0 for you carebears). Exploration slammed the final nail in the coffin by offering the same opportunities regardless of sec status. No longer did you have to risk serious assets to gt serious rewards. Now other than a few promethium moons, scattered weakly throughout the galaxy, the lion's share of the reward is in high-sec farming missions and exploration complexes.
Five years later and there is little reason to go to 0.0 except to treat it as a battle arena or if you have the moxy to take one of the 2 good areas in all of 0.0. The reward has been shifted for the most part to empire. Player made kingdoms never have happened. Sovereignty has never been fixed. The corp and alliance interfaces remain a bad joke. The 0.0 space which once held the promise of vast player run galactic empires is baren. The new drone regions were a hopeless failure and interesting new warfare means are neglected.
Instead CCP has emphasized factional warfare (little more than glorified missions with amatuer PvPers) and drawn players out of 0.0. The game is now primarily a PvE game with a couple PvP elements for side entertainment.
After 3 years and beginning a corp that has accomplished the training of over 4000 pilots in PvP, I find myself looking elsewhere for PvP and conquest. To a company that will not compromise their vision for the sake of the carebears.
Eve has forsaken its promise of the PvP mecca. It is not too late to turn around but it will require a change of vision from CCP and a willingness to stick to that vision in the face of enormous carebear whines. They have to get back to implementing a vision, not responding to the whine. They have to get back to giving the players the ability to create their own content and stop catering to the desires of the PvE people.
If they don't, Eve wont die tomorrow or the next day but a slow lingering and painful death. To me, that would be a shame.
-- Signed: A 5 Year Vetran
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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.03.04 09:27:00 -
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Edited by: Rells on 04/03/2009 09:31:04
Originally by: Myz Toyou Hi Rells,
you will get flamed to death by all the pimpship pilots of Motsu but you are right.
Now give me your stuffz
No. :) I still play every now and then.
As for the carebears flaming me, among all people on the forum here I am one of the few that really, authentically doesnt care. I have made my name in this game through my corp and I dont have anything to prove to anyone.
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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.03.04 09:38:00 -
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Originally by: 4rc4ng3L Edited by: 4rc4ng3L on 04/03/2009 09:35:28 CCP is a busniess not your best friend. Apoc will bring them more shiney new subscriptions, Ambulation will bring them drasticly more... In the end, they dont really care what you think, if you decide to quit, someone will take your place.
Eve isnt going away anytime soon, and by the time it does CCP will have far more cash crops to feed off.
In the end, its their game, they can do whatever they like with it and it really doesnt matter what we think. Oddly enough, im perfectly okay with that, its a game... you should be to.
When a business sells out their principles and vision to capture low quality subscriptions they are no better than a common *****.
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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.03.04 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: Tzar'rim
Originally by: Rells
Originally by: 4rc4ng3L Edited by: 4rc4ng3L on 04/03/2009 09:35:28 CCP is a busniess not your best friend. Apoc will bring them more shiney new subscriptions, Ambulation will bring them drasticly more... In the end, they dont really care what you think, if you decide to quit, someone will take your place.
Eve isnt going away anytime soon, and by the time it does CCP will have far more cash crops to feed off.
In the end, its their game, they can do whatever they like with it and it really doesnt matter what we think. Oddly enough, im perfectly okay with that, its a game... you should be to.
When a business sells out their principles and vision to capture low quality subscriptions they are no better than a common *****.
Yes but they do rake in the cash, short term.
It must be the fact that I am 38 and not from the newer generation. When I grew up, honor, ethics, integrity, and principles were not seen as obstacles. We are in the midst of the "ME" generation I suppose but it is a generation that has lost the ability to think and reason rationally. They emote but they dont consider. They rant but don't calculate. They want it all now and cant see the long term impact of their foolish decisions.
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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.03.04 09:45:00 -
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Originally by: Ancy Denaries Wormholes do however require a team effort, albeit a PvE one. At least it's a step in the right direction. Other than that, I agree with your sentiments, Rells.
Listen to what you just said. "A PvE Effort" I rest my case. Its gone so far that poeple accept it as normal. No one seems to remember when players warned of this years ago and were flamed out of town and laughed at for anticipating something so stupid.
They were all right.
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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.03.04 09:48:00 -
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Originally by: 4rc4ng3L
So really your issues are more your outlook on the masses and infact have nothing to do with eve, but you just rather use it as a basis for your rant on society...
No. You drove the conversation there. My OP was pretty clearly and unequivocally about Eve Online. You then implied that selling out your principles to be a ***** was ok and so I responded to your comment. But perhaps I am being unfair on you. Perhaps you dont know what principles are.
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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.03.04 09:54:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T The funny thing is, CCP could easily make it so that ALL of lowsec and 0.0 is much more enticing than highsec... but they simply refuse to do it.
Yes. And they could refocus development efforts on the PvP aspects of the game but they refuse to do that as well. Instead they work on PvE stuff like wormholes and fluff like tech 3.
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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.03.04 09:59:00 -
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Originally by: 4rc4ng3L
Originally by: Rells
Originally by: 4rc4ng3L
So really your issues are more your outlook on the masses and infact have nothing to do with eve, but you just rather use it as a basis for your rant on society...
No. You drove the conversation there. My OP was pretty clearly and unequivocally about Eve Online. You then implied that selling out your principles to be a ***** was ok and so I responded to your comment. But perhaps I am being unfair on you. Perhaps you dont know what principles are.
Perhaps you need to know what a game is... maybe im wrong but your double my age yet seem to have half the common sense, generally in life if your not happy with something, you stop what your doing and find something new. Has eve changed, completely 100%, i'v played as long as you have, most of us however have changed with the game, thats why we're still here. Personally, if i got to the stage of annoyance with eve that your in.... i'd simply leave
You are a child with no perspective on life. The concept of a vision and principle clearly hasn't been taught to you. The notion that it is possible to be successful and stick to one's principles and vision is something that is taught to you youngsters as NOT being possible. You are the "ME and NOW" generation. A generation brought up on TV and video games rather than real world experience.
The idea that the OP is directed to HELP Eve Online didnt even occur to you because you see things through the "ME" filter. "Common Sense", you will find, largely depends on your point of view. Your generation finds it common sense to get everything now and for free, while I find that stupidity and lunacy.
Go out and get some life expereince and then you will see that vision, principle and integrity are more valuable that commercial things.
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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.03.04 10:01:00 -
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Originally by: TimMc I joined with Revelations, so cannot speak about the changes from beginning to now. Everyone will agree that CCP would not have nearly as many subs if it stayed as hardcore as the beginning, people need to be brought in safely and then nudged into the danger and fun.
No I will NOT agree with that. Just because there is a proven market for chocolate doesnt mean there is no market at all for vanila. There are dozens of PvE games to be had, we dont need to turn Eve into yet another. There are THOUSANDS of 0.0 players that are now gone because of what I have described. Just because they were replaced with thousands of carebears doesnt mean they didnt exist in the first place.
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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.03.04 10:06:00 -
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Originally by: Reven Cordelle Oh look, An "EVE IS DYING" whine thread.
How common.
Oh and by the way - The player count on EVE has drastically risen since all of those changes you've mentioned took place, therefore if anything - EVE is doing quite the opposite of dying.
You might as well leave. I doubt CCP will care. 5 year veteran or not, you pay the same amount as a newb that would take your place.
Oh and your stuff, contract it to me.
-- Signed: A 1 year newb looking forward to Apocrypha.
First of all, I wouldn't give you the sweat off my balls.
Second of all, stay in highsec where you can hide behind your mommy's skirts bcause its carebears like you that are so fun to kill and send crying.
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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.03.04 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
And you can be sure we WON'T give you any of our stuff, we'll friggin' blow it all to hell in a "kill everything that lives until you die" style before the last days of subscription time runs out.
Wouldnt it be great if we got everyone in 0.0 together and just CLOSED lowsec to all these carebears? One massive alliance to wipe out any carebear comming in lowsec. It would be glorious. Of course the carebears have no balls so they would just hide and whine to CCP.
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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.03.04 10:21:00 -
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Originally by: Delkin So you want a server rollback? everyone goes back to mining in cruisers while the elite run around with lows full of damage mods insta popping those less worthy?
I was quite clear in my posts what I wanted. If you have difficulty with reading comprehension, that is not my problem.
Originally by: Delkin A lot of changes were a result of players finding ways round how ccp thought the game should played. Just how many were online then 2k-4k if that.
And CCP should have held firm. And how would you know how many were there or in 0.0 mr carebear?
Originally by: Delkin When you ventured out to plunder 0.0 you may have stood a chance to profit from the spoils, now you have a hard job of avoiding treading on some ones patch even though you just spent a month out there without seeing anyone in their claimed area.
Yes. You have to take it. That is called "P" "v" "P". It stands for Player vs. Player. It means you dont fight some easy to defeat computer ship but a living breathing, thinking person. The least of which in 0.0 is far more skilled than your carebear mind can comprehend. You cant just go out solo and be safe. You have to organize and cooperate and so on. *gasp* Cant have that can we?
Originally by: Delkin The small amount of highends in empire pale with the amounts coming from the drone regions, which then made ccp change the refine content of alloys, the price crash of zydrine/megacyte was clear down to the drone region. The current upset seems to point back to when ccp stopped npc's selling shuttles, trit now got no cap so blame ccp for making trit the highest in build spec.
Pure proof that you dont know crap abotu 0.0. You could fly a fleet of freighters through the drone regions without seeing anyone. I know corps out there often dont even bother to escort til the hit venal. There is NOTHING out there beyond a bit of moon mining. NOTHING Drone rats in that area arent worth the effort because of the huge logistics and low payoff. Most of the dropped alloys come from level 4 missions in which TENS of THOUSANDS of rats are killed per day.
Originally by: Delkin You get plenty of pvp on the test server why because everything cost 100isk, you got less in TQ why the cost plain and simple.
As many would say when changes happen "Adapt"
We just shoot carebears like you. That is how we adapt. But this post is about eve as a whole. An eve that you frankly dont have the kahunas to live in.
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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.03.04 10:22:00 -
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Originally by: 4rc4ng3L
Originally by: Rells
Originally by: Akita T
And you can be sure we WON'T give you any of our stuff, we'll friggin' blow it all to hell in a "kill everything that lives until you die" style before the last days of subscription time runs out.
Wouldnt it be great if we got everyone in 0.0 together and just CLOSED lowsec to all these carebears? One massive alliance to wipe out any carebear comming in lowsec. It would be glorious. Of course the carebears have no balls so they would just hide and whine to CCP.
Ohh please, your so up yourself you've ruined any validity and intelligence your op had.
Easy to give your opinion but hard to accept others ehhh?
I dont care if you think i am valid or not. I and my corp have done far more for Eve than you ever will. So your opinion of me is less than irrelevant.
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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.03.05 03:02:00 -
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Of course I knew the carebears would come in force. There are some interesting things in the thread and some pure comedy.
First of all AGONY has never been about the biggest ships, faction modules and blob warfare. Anyone alleging such a thing MUST be a carebear because AGONY is well known for being the opposite of all of that.
Second of all don't bother insulting me. I honestly and legitimately dont care. You can do you "cry some more" and "QQ already" (a stupid phrase anyway) and call me every name in the book if you want. But the reality is that I will never meet you, never work with you, never talk to you out of this game and I couldnt care less what you think of me. Those whose opinions I value are my wife, children and family.
Now people also seem to have ADHD or some sort of reading comprehension disorder. Not once did I advocate turning all of space into 0.0 or any of the other stupid things that people have tried to put in my mouth.
CCP needs to alter its focus to be on the PvP. I know I said it before but I will say it again since people seem to have issues with reading comprehension. I want CCP to put the emphasis to providing tools for corps and alliances to exist better. I want CCP to increase the wealth in 0.0 which is mostly a baren wasteland. I want CCP to focus on facilitating player run empires rather than NPC empire space. I want CCP to stop introducing pointless 0.0 regions that have no practical use and instead look at 0.0 as it is and come up with a comprehensive plan to push the game back to risk vs reward.
Oh and to all the carebers threatening me ... if you want a piece of me I will be in 0.0. Come and get me.
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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.03.05 03:30:00 -
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Originally by: Spurty I smiled when I read this, as I saw it for what it was.
Originally by: Rells
Oh and to all the carebers threatening me ... if you want a piece of me I will be in 0.0. Come and get me.
hiding with your alliance blankey ;-)
Nice threat, someone in a bigger alliance will no doubt take you up on that, then you can post about being blobbed
Last alliance that tried to blob us lost about 50 cruisers in about 15 seconds. Blobs are rather easy to counter if you know they are coming and have teamwork and organization. Oh you cant counter them? Not surprised. Yur entire post is a signature of an idiot carebear. But it is amusing ... lets have fun.
Originally by: Spurty Thats what makes me laugh about pvp'ers complaining about high sec.
What happens in highsec doesn't affect anyone.
It affects the whole market and financial system of eve. If you cant see that tyhen you are STUPID as well as being a carebear.
Originally by: Spurty There is no conquering of systems and sov allowing corps to moon mine despro and make lots of isk happening here, but there is PLENTY of ships being destroyed (checks maps, yupe, bright red lights in empire).
Disprosium moons are scattered randomly through the galaxy, not only in 0.0. There is no difference moon wise between lowsec and 0.0. The vast majority of moons are crap. Read that as 99.9% of them.
Originally by: Spurty So .... back to null sec, check the largest alliances, add up all the people in there, this is you population in null sec. Sure some might be in highsec shopping, thats their problem.
That isnt the point of the post but with your ADHD and learning disorder, Im not surpriesed you missed it. The point is the focus of CCP not counting who is where (which is fluid in the extreme).
Originally by: Spurty There simply is no shortage of targets out there if you are big enough to leave the security of a huge alliance, drop all blues except your corp mates and go full on NBSI exactly as EVE is supposed to be played (I can make my own assertions about how EVE is supposed to be player too ;0 )
AGONY has no blues and only RARELY has had any in three years.
Originally by: Spurty And last point, never seen an officer spawn in a level 4. Seen enough in belts in 0.0 though. Seeing as I can't spend 8 hours a day grinding level 4s, I'll have to do with the 50mill drops I get from the 30min ratting runs.
Officer spawns are rare and happen only in a couple areas in 0.0. They wont pop in 99% of 0.0 space. Do try to talk about only things that you know about.
Originally by: Spurty So, yes, if you grind 8+ hours a day, level 4s would be ok, but level 3s are faster to finish and if you're actually salvaging and looting, nets you more arblest heavy launchers in the same time.
THe point is that there is no risk to earning in highsec. I cant even understand how people can play that way day after day. I would go nuts from boredom.
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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.03.05 03:37:00 -
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Originally by: Belco Ssefeaba
Originally by: Rells You are a child with no perspective on life.
Perspective on life? You're the one getting your britches in a knot over some changes in an online game.
I am discussing a game that I enjoy. I am not dressing up in Amarr costumes and pretending im in a spaceship on the way to work. My perspective is fine. I discuss guns and shooting as well, that doesnt mean I'm going to shoot up a mcdonalds.
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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.03.06 03:43:00 -
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Edited by: Rells on 06/03/2009 03:43:29
Originally by: zyphen**** Wormholes are just a way of giving carebears who never leave high sec free safe 0.0 access without having to fight or work for it. They might as well just take pvp out of the game and we all do mission quests. I wonder whats next maybe when you scam someone in eve you will get banned for it like they do in wow? Like people can just ctrl q now and get out of any pvp situation so I guess pvp in a way is already useless in eve. It's already happened tbh...
Its comming to that. And your assessment of wormholes is sniper style accurate.
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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.03.06 03:46:00 -
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Originally by: Junko Togawa Posting to confirm this troll has been upgraded to a 9/10. GG old troll, keep butthurting at people. Maybe you'll crack a thousand eventually. Until then I'll continue to get my lulz at all the 'ZOMG MOAR PVP NURF HISEC CAREBEARS ARE TEH SUXXORZ!' tears, secure in the knowledge that EvE Online will continue working as intended, with profitable hisec missions and grief-free NPC corps for all. CCP appease us, every one.
Bold added by me.
Of course it is you saying these things. I never said anything remotely like that.
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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.03.08 23:10:00 -
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It appears the only people left in this game are the most repusive ****wits anyone has ever seen. However, there is a bright side. I do not have to associate myself with them if I dont wish to.
I dont wish to.
There were some great people and great players in this game.
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Rells
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2009.05.04 09:32:00 -
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Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII
Originally by: Virum Acuedalla I'm sorry Rells, I can't agree with your post but that's because I can't get into Agony Unleashed because I'm a pvp noob. I'm looking forward to your Corps next offering for training so maybe I can put in an application. Don't lose heart, the future is always changing and maybe, just maybe things will get back to more of what you enjoyed. For now, keep helping us nubcakes that are trying to learn PvP, it's most appreciated.
If you know how to use a cloak you've learnt all that rells can teach you.
Witty but inaccurate. Take a class if you want to know what is taught. There is nothing like getting the facts before debating? :) I cant believe this thing is still going. Log in to change skills and look around and see what is going on and what do I find? Well agony is still going strong under the leadership of Bamar.
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