Ima spend my next few days looking for you.

Props for being brave enough to do something like this mate. Need more people like you doing crazy fun stuff like this.

You should see my next idea. I'm planning to [redacted for reasons of not wanting other people doing it first]

...and allows you to verify that there aren't any cloaky ships hiding and waiting for your salvager...

Wasnt this changed lately?
I know that a cloaked ship in a radar site would not stop the despawn anymore.

Do you think the Noctis is enough better than a looting destroyer to justify the cost? Helped a corp mate a while back hit a Noctis that was cleaning up after a Tengu, we scored all his NR and he had to eat the 65mil for the ship as well.

Confirming that. Cloaked ships no longer stop a site from despawning. Was changed a few months ago.

Do you think the Noctis is enough better than a looting destroyer to justify the cost? Helped a corp mate a while back hit a Noctis that was cleaning up after a Tengu, we scored all his NR and he had to eat the 65mil for the ship as well.

I tried this for a little bit too a good long while ago, but personally I like keeping a POS in the orca as it gives a safe place to store said orca and allows you to get more characters into sites. Just find an empty moon, toss the POS up, leave the orca there, and use 2 PvE ships to run sites, come clean up with a noctis when done, and when you're done running for the day, take the POS down and safe up. Also makes it easier if you only have 2 characters, and your salvager is your orca pilot...

-Arazel

Do you think the Noctis is enough better than a looting destroyer to justify the cost? Helped a corp mate a while back hit a Noctis that was cleaning up after a Tengu, we scored all his NR and he had to eat the 65mil for the ship as well.

i did some looking in the same direction after spending some time in C2 WH with a small tower

then i looked at the prises for an orca atm and for the prise of an unfitted orca i can get a fully fitted large amarr tower (not counting fuel)
and a fully fitted large tower is less likely to be destroyed then an orca

that and the fact that i don't have the skills to fly an orca yet ispointing me towards the POS option instead of the orca

if orca prisec where about half of what they are now i would go orca and load a small tower in the orca in case i find a WH with a lot of sites to do and no active locals

Also a cloaky tengu with the right setup (not willing to share just yet, if/when we loose one I'll share it :P) works best for a scout, then a non-cloaking tengu with the right setup (again not willing to share just yet) work excelent for running sites. You can fit the t3, the destroyer, and a crane or other hauler into the orca. This means you can haul out your loot with minimal risk without having to jump the orca out.

You got a cloaky, and you need a Crane to get sleeper loot out?

If you have to ask, you must go to highsec far more often than we do. :) That's all I'm saying. :P

Can I ask how the Orca was fitted (besides the high slots and the prop mod)?

warp core stabs in case it got caught (never needed them), and cap rechargers to squeeze out a few extra cycles from the reps.

Cool thanks, can I ask about rigs? I'm considering following your footsteps and thought agility rigs would be best?

It's got one large ancillary, and two agility rigs.

I do have to put the MWD offline to use the remote reps. It's easy enough to do: just offline the MWD, online the rep I need, and cloak while the cap recharges.

why do you use remote reps on the orca? wouldn't it be easier to equip one on your combat ship?

... then a non-cloaking tengu with the right setup (again not willing to share just yet) work excelent for running sites.
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Prior to becoming a part of The Skunkworks I spent most of my time as a solo explorer, daytripping into wormholes. It was profitable, educational, fun, and you meet a surprising number of friendly people if you know how to not be an idiot. I've made a lot of references to my days of doing this, but have never really written any sort of guide. This shiny new forum has inspired me. Disclaimer: this is a bit disorganized and probably incomplete, but I'm writing on a whim to start discussion.

I got my start just daytripping lower-class wormholes that I found in highsec. I made good isk, learned some lessons, and became quite adept at it. Then I decided I'd try living in one. Here's the problem: I didn't want to bother with a POS. For a solo player, that's just a magnet for your stuff getting blown up and/or stolen. My solution? Be a nomad. Roam from wormhole to wormhole, scouting and properly reseaching new holes before entering them.

What I'm not going to talk about: survival in w-space and fittings. If you don't know to hammer d-scan or you can't fit a Tengu for C3 solo work, you probably need to learn that first. This is about mobility and exploration. And I'll only say this part once: use safe spots, don't log off at celestials. Don't blame me if you lose expensive stuff because you couldn't bother to spend two minutes setting up a proper, hard-to-find safe.

To start with, you need the right tools. Obviously you'll need a PvE ship for shooting sleepers. T3s are hands-down the best ship for this job. I use a Legion because f*** missiles, but the Tengu is the best choice from a min/max perspective. You'll also need to salvage and loot everything. Sleeper sites can be rather expansive, and a Noctis is the obvious choice here. That covers your PVE activity. Put a probe launcher on both so that losing one means you can still get out of the hole with the other.

Now, you can get by with these two ships being flown by two different characters on the same account. Shoot sleepers with one, bookmark the wrecks, and then come back with the other and loot/salvage. This makes you more vulnerable, though, as you'll be logging in and out in ships not suited for the PVP that could fall in your lap at any moment. So I'd suggest multiboxing and having at least a second account with an orca pilot.

This is my orca's fit: a large hull repairer, a large armor repairer, a T1 cloak, a 100mn MWD for fast warps, and warp core stabilizers. I use the SMA to store a mix of ships not in use. Here's what I would suggest you enter the hole with:

A recon ship of some kind (I use a pilgrim). A recon showing up on d-scan in a wormhole has the nice effect of making people safe up rather than go hunting. Solo recon ships are rare in w-space and they'll assume it's part of a gang, either scouting or late on the cloak button. This is the ship I would log out in, so that I could cloak immediately upon logging in.

A covert ops ship. This should be something any of your pilots can fly, including the orca pilot. It would be risky, but if the worst happened and your orca were stranded in a hole with all your other alts podded out, you could wait for a quiet time and eject the frigate and scan down an exit. Alternatively, a covops alt.

The noctis and PvE ship, of course.

I multibox three accounts. One would be the orca pilot, the second would be the noctis/covert ops pilot, and the last would be my main combat pilot. I would log in the covops first, scout the hole and look for sites and wormholes. If I found that the hole was safe and profitable, I'd log in my main (flying the Pilgrim) and the orca pilot, reship from the orca and cloak it up. My noctis has a cloak as well so that I could keep it safe from scanners until needed. I would work sites and salvage them as quickly as I could, knowing I could return to the orca and reship quickly if things went bad.

Hint on salvaging: If you're running anomalies and have a cloak on your noctis, you can verify an anomaly has collapsed before warping by attempt to warp while cloaked. If the anomaly is still there, you'll get the information window on it as well as the notice that you can't warp while cloaked. Allowing the anomaly to despawn before warping to it makes your noctis harder to find and allows you to verify that there aren't any cloaky ships hiding and waiting for your salvager. I lost my first Noctis to a bomber hanging out in a site I'd run.

Orcas can fit through C2 holes and larger. C1s are only suitable for daytripping if you bring an orca. Scout out new wormholes, check them on wormnav for suitability, and migrate frequently. Creating a pattern of behavior in one system is a good way to attract unwanted attention. It's possible to use an Orca to close a C2 hole to get a new one, but it will take time and multiple round trips. If you're determined to do so, I'd suggest setting up a safe spot near the hole and warping the orca to it to cloak up while you wait for polarization to clear.

I made billions of isk doing this casually. If you've been daytripping wormholes for a while and are tired of prowling for hours in k-space looking for a decent hole, try going nomad. It's fun, it's dangerous, and it's something not many other people do. There are no logistics (other than resupplying with ammo and selling off your loot), no politics, no having to share. It's just you and whatever you can find to shoot.

I did this very briefly, but in a battleship, just roaming. But i was a noob, so I got blown up by sleepers, heh.

I want to do it on one character. :/

My PvE ship was active armor tanked, but the Noctis and my PVP ships that I brought along weren't. It made more sense to have the one ship that was *always* on the field fitted with remote reps. It's all about being prepared for anything.

The problem with armor/hull reps on the Orca as you have to leave the orca uncloaked for a bit. It might make more sense to bring hull and armor rep and refit the damaged ship.

By the time you see probes, if you see them at all, the skilled hunter will already have a warp-in and your uncloaked Orca is dead. The skilled, cloaked hunter will be narrowing down your position with dscan from as close a point as possible, and position the probes for a 100% result on first scan. With a butt as big as an Orca's, you don't need a super accurate position either. You might have about 7 seconds to see the probes.

Unless this really is a guide to "helping" others get into a wormhole to make big fat targets.

At any rate, if you do want to live the life of a nomad, practice your maneuvers in Hisec first. W-space isn't the place to find out how long it takes for you to work this new inventory abomination and swap ships, dump loot, etc. if you've never done any of this before. W-space is not really the place to find out for the first time how to do anything with your setup that doesn't involve peculiarities of w-space itself.

warp core stabs in case it got caught (never needed them), and cap rechargers to squeeze out a few extra cycles from the reps.

The WCS are useless on this ship imho. If he's alone and doesn't manage to point you he can still bump you out of align (most reasonably competent pilots do this). If he's not alone you're dead before you can warp because they're bringing more points than you can counter. Escaping due to WCS are edge cases it's probably not worth fitting for. I would fit buffer to make it take longer for him to kill you. If he's solo you might be able to drone him to death before he does you (again, unlikely as you can't carry all that much in Orca drone bay). Drones I'd go e-war, of course.

Anyway, I'm not sure how the OP is managing things. He can't fit noctis, anathema and pilgrim all into the orca ship maintenance bay

Like I said before, I keep my orca aligned when it's decloaked. With the MWD it takes about 10 seconds to reach minimum speed for warp, so as soon as I decloak I can cycle the MWD once and be ready to warp at a moment's notice. That *plus* a stack of WCS II means the orca is VERY hard to put enough points on before it warps away, and will be in warp before you can get the speed necessary to bump it after landing. This isn't a stationary target that is trying to do a 30 second align when you arrive on grid.

YMMV, but this fit worked very well for me and that Orca did escape attempted ganks more than once.



Nope, sure can't. The salvager "lives" in the Anathema and reships to the Noctis when there's work to be done. My main would always log out in the Pilgrim and reship to the Tengu for shooting sleepers.

It goes like this: Log in the salvager, do some scanning. If there are potential targets, log in the main and maybe gank something. If there's work to be done, log in both the main and the orca. I'd reship the salvager into the Noctis first, then my main into the Tengu (my only ship with no cloak). Tengu + Noctis + one frig = 390,100 m3. Pilgrim + both frigs = 176,200 m3. It fits and is a lot less complicated than you envision :)

WCS on orca don't help for ****. My loki has points enough to hold you down.

Heh, exactly thread I was looking for so sorry for necro but I have to ask a few things and I hope it won't be too stupid to get some answer.

Floppie obviously has experience, skills and financial means to set his own multiboxing nomadic expedition into wormholes but is it also possible to do it with only one ship, a cane for example? Fit for pvp but with probe launcher and cloak, get into wh and be there until ship explodes or ammo runs out and then either pod myself back into hisec or probe myself out of wh depending on which thing happens first? Obviously I wouldn't be able to warp and hunt cloaked but assuming I rather will be looking for pvp then running away, could it work?

What I'm looking for is a break from hisec monotony, not really for making isk just some excitement, scan things in wh, warp around, avoid inhabitants while gathering intel and getting familiar with celestials and my own BMs. Can't afford additional accounts for dedicated probing alts or orca fleet like Floppie but I would like to experience wormholes.

Sorry if that seems like pipe dreams and malignant rumblings of a noob but I would appreciate some feedback on this subject.

so if I'm understanding this right, you're essentially doing stealth ops. All ships remain cloaked unless otherwise being used, and at that point you're keeping them uncloaked only as long as it takes to do your ops and GTFO...

How often do you switch systems? whenver the one you're in gets too hot?

Flying a cane will keep you from being able to combat probe, but you'll still be able to probe and get kills.

Don't fit a T1 cloak on a PVP ship if you can avoid it. It will cut your scan res in half and keep you from being able to catch the PVE ships that will account for most of your kills.

If I were going to do PVP off a single account, I'd take a month to train a decent scanning alt in a T1 frigate in the same corp. Scout a route with your scanner, make corp bookmarks along the way, and then relog with your main and follow. It's a bit more tedious, but I think you'll get better results and more kills.

Good point on T1 cloak and combat probes, I always forget "little" details like this :)

But with normal probes I should be able to probe sites and - in case of forgetting to BM wh entrance (excitement and all) - way out, right? I don't have perfect probing skills but they should suffice even in unbonused ship, I think.

Thanks for idea of dedicated scanning alt in second slot, I didn't think about setting up corp BMs and then relog to pvp toon to follow them. Eh, a lot of things like this I have to learn and remember to use.

So what do you do for ammunition while in here? killing sleepers in a C3 will burn alot of rounds, or do you usually use Lazorz when doing PVE?

This thread was one of the first I read when I started playing EVE : )

When I get some downtime, I think I may try the cheap, daytripping method. I think this is the 3rd or 4th time reading this and everytime I read it, I tell myself I AM going to. This time, I am!

Thanks for the read.

Thumbs up for the good read and info!

I am a new player relatively but I have to say going nomad in wormholes is what made me really enjoy the game. Picked up my gear and one ship and disappeared for a month inside wormholes. With 1 account and 1 ship it's terminally stupid and astronomically risky but damn worth the fun and experience. To this day i think it's blind luck I didn't make someone VERY happy in his/their killboard.

Also, somewhere on these forums I've seen report about people who were living in wormholes off two carriers, with no POS or something. I'm not sure if they were nomads in high-class WH space (doesn't look like it's realistic to do that for a long time) or just squeezed them into system and decided to dismantle their POS later or something.