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Meatead
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Posted - 2004.08.12 15:14:00 -
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I mean really? are all minmater bs pilots just pushing their toys out of the pram because they want to be the best bs? I dont think so.
Would be nice to see a dev actually look into the balance on the t2 bs atm rather than just hiding under a rock saying there is no problem. Sure you guys are probably swamped with problems/bugs/new content/code updates etc but it is plain to see that the number of minmater actually flying tempests now is so low that unless the situation is adjusted the few remaining die hards will just learn other races bs - where is the specialisation in that? do you really just want everyone flying around in the 'flavour of the month' bs?
We are not asking to make the tempest an uber ship - or a clone of any other of the racial t2 bs - but throw us a bone here dammit - worst tanker, worst dot, least in everything.
Its any wonder that the minmater arent still slaves.
Why should minmater pilots have to train up other racial bs just to compete? the other races dont have to.
At least say you are looking into it - rather than just ignoring that there could be a problem.
If at the end of the day you still dont think there is a problem or that minmater bs are working as intended and competitive then at least you have listened and re-evaluated.
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Meatead
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Posted - 2004.08.12 15:14:00 -
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I mean really? are all minmater bs pilots just pushing their toys out of the pram because they want to be the best bs? I dont think so.
Would be nice to see a dev actually look into the balance on the t2 bs atm rather than just hiding under a rock saying there is no problem. Sure you guys are probably swamped with problems/bugs/new content/code updates etc but it is plain to see that the number of minmater actually flying tempests now is so low that unless the situation is adjusted the few remaining die hards will just learn other races bs - where is the specialisation in that? do you really just want everyone flying around in the 'flavour of the month' bs?
We are not asking to make the tempest an uber ship - or a clone of any other of the racial t2 bs - but throw us a bone here dammit - worst tanker, worst dot, least in everything.
Its any wonder that the minmater arent still slaves.
Why should minmater pilots have to train up other racial bs just to compete? the other races dont have to.
At least say you are looking into it - rather than just ignoring that there could be a problem.
If at the end of the day you still dont think there is a problem or that minmater bs are working as intended and competitive then at least you have listened and re-evaluated.
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Meatead
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Posted - 2004.08.12 18:30:00 -
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would really like to keep the thread as clean as possible so that a dev can take us seriously.
and yes, this is specifically aimed at tweakage in balancing on all t2 bs.
Changes have occurred over the past months to nerf various things which has meant the steady decline of the tempest...in fact it almost feels like a t1 bs now - so hey, why not just make up a story talking about how minmaters have stolen the bps from their former masters for the apoc bs - and then replace apoc as the minmater t2 bs...problem sorted heh.....
.....walks away mumbling to himself
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Meatead
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Posted - 2004.08.12 18:30:00 -
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would really like to keep the thread as clean as possible so that a dev can take us seriously.
and yes, this is specifically aimed at tweakage in balancing on all t2 bs.
Changes have occurred over the past months to nerf various things which has meant the steady decline of the tempest...in fact it almost feels like a t1 bs now - so hey, why not just make up a story talking about how minmaters have stolen the bps from their former masters for the apoc bs - and then replace apoc as the minmater t2 bs...problem sorted heh.....
.....walks away mumbling to himself
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Meatead
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Posted - 2004.08.13 13:32:00 -
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would really just like to see a dev stat they recognise tempest imbalance atm.
Even if they say - hey "its working as it should" at least we would know what we are dealing with....we could then ask for a refund in the time training minmater ships so that we can train another race.
and for the people posting here that they are happy with projectile damage - good for you - its not just about projectile damage tho, and this thread isnt about projectiles really - its about the pride of the minmater fleet being nothing more than a tier1 bs compared with other t2 bs with the damage and tanking abilities it has atm.
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Meatead
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Posted - 2004.08.13 13:32:00 -
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would really just like to see a dev stat they recognise tempest imbalance atm.
Even if they say - hey "its working as it should" at least we would know what we are dealing with....we could then ask for a refund in the time training minmater ships so that we can train another race.
and for the people posting here that they are happy with projectile damage - good for you - its not just about projectile damage tho, and this thread isnt about projectiles really - its about the pride of the minmater fleet being nothing more than a tier1 bs compared with other t2 bs with the damage and tanking abilities it has atm.
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Meatead
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Posted - 2004.08.14 23:43:00 -
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Before things get out of hand and the thread gets locked or negated as a positive outlook on the state of the pride of the minmater fleet I would like to say to the dev team that they only have to look at the "balance" of tier2 battleships.
I really dont want this thread to turn into an Amarr rules, or Raven pwns you, its more about the offensive vs defensive capability of the tempest compared with all other 100mil+ bs.
Just because the projectile doesnt use any cap argument has gotten really old considering the bonuses cap using guns have coupled with the fact they do more dot. Including major factors that armor tanking is greatly outweighing shield tanking atm and you make the top of the line minmater ship equivalent if not less than a geddon....heck use eve-i.com's ship analogy tool and run a compare on the tempest and geddon and you will see that the geddon is clasified in the final result as a better ship - and this is without the need of tracking enhancers/damage mods which the tempest NEEDS to even compare with any other t2 bs.
This isnt about tempest being flavour of the month, this is about the best ship the minmater have to offer being able to stand toe to toe with an equivalent bs and giving it a run for its money at optimum range - and this atm simply isnt the case.
The last thing I want to see is nerfs to other ships (of similar class at least) and I can handle the "jack of all trades" tag that the tempest has to deal with but atm with the current setup a tempest is nothing more than an over expensive t1 bs with bad tracking and no class defining ability - this is what needs to be addressed/changed.
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Meatead
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Posted - 2004.08.14 23:43:00 -
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Before things get out of hand and the thread gets locked or negated as a positive outlook on the state of the pride of the minmater fleet I would like to say to the dev team that they only have to look at the "balance" of tier2 battleships.
I really dont want this thread to turn into an Amarr rules, or Raven pwns you, its more about the offensive vs defensive capability of the tempest compared with all other 100mil+ bs.
Just because the projectile doesnt use any cap argument has gotten really old considering the bonuses cap using guns have coupled with the fact they do more dot. Including major factors that armor tanking is greatly outweighing shield tanking atm and you make the top of the line minmater ship equivalent if not less than a geddon....heck use eve-i.com's ship analogy tool and run a compare on the tempest and geddon and you will see that the geddon is clasified in the final result as a better ship - and this is without the need of tracking enhancers/damage mods which the tempest NEEDS to even compare with any other t2 bs.
This isnt about tempest being flavour of the month, this is about the best ship the minmater have to offer being able to stand toe to toe with an equivalent bs and giving it a run for its money at optimum range - and this atm simply isnt the case.
The last thing I want to see is nerfs to other ships (of similar class at least) and I can handle the "jack of all trades" tag that the tempest has to deal with but atm with the current setup a tempest is nothing more than an over expensive t1 bs with bad tracking and no class defining ability - this is what needs to be addressed/changed.
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