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Lady Onatopp
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.03.06 20:16:00 -
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Is now a good time to be investing in Dynasty Banking? I ask because of Iknota's bio that says:
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20009.01.10
I am very sorry for slacking on my teller duties for the last few days, but I have been have some very big real life problems. I need to re-evaluate what my priorities are in life, which may include playing much less of EVE. I'll let you know in the comming days what I plan to do.
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I've yet to hear of any updates to this since then.
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Amarr Citizen 155
Alternative Methods Research Group
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Posted - 2009.03.06 20:25:00 -
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You should try THIS THREAD
and next time try searching HERE first.
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Ricdic (about starting ebank, July 2007): Think of it as a miniature EIB done right. I cannot see this getting anywhere near 700b any time in the future tbh.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2009.03.06 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Onatopp
Is now a good time to be investing in Dynasty Banking? I ask because of Iknota's bio that says:
Anyone who knows me will totally understand when I tell you, "No, it is not a good time for you to invest or deposit in Dynasty bank." But then I'm allergic to moronic alt trolls.
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Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.06 23:38:00 -
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Gotta love that DBANK PR. If you ask too many questions we don't want to deal with you. |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2009.03.06 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic
Gotta love that DBANK PR. If you ask too many questions we don't want to deal with you.
Not in the least. This is the same answer I gave while was at ebank as well. The most effective PR of any organization is the way with which public members carry itself. No one is going to be shocked and awed by the way that I conduct myself. I'm not pretty (in person either) nor am I cuddly (in person either) but I am honest and direct. This pattern to my behavior has been consistent from my very post in the eve community to this one. But thank you Ric. Whenever I need a chance to demonstrate my better values I can always count on you to show up giving me that chance. Oh, wait, "It's not about you Shar, its about [ insert bs lie]." Noted. All personal issues aside, I've always and consistently been against anyone investing or depositing with anyone if they do not feel comfortable with it. Regardless of the person's reasons or intent. Equally, I feel that no organization should accept funds from anyone that does not, at the least, try some less embarrassing method of contact. Dredging up an old thread and making a new one about the whole issue is either a case of ineptitude or a case of trolling. If it is trolling, don't care for it - professional opinion there. If it is ineptitude, don't want their business either - professionial opinion there. To be frank, I'd rather take the troll then the fool. The troll just makes some noise but is likely a satisfied customer who needs attention (a lot like you Ric.) However a fool is truly detrimental becuse often enough they don't have the sense of when they've made a good or bad choice. The ensuing and associated dramas have little to no positive value and are a total waste of everyone's time. In closing, you know it was not too long ago that your current behavior, Ric, was acted out on you. Back then you called such things "trolling". My how big the hypocrisy has grown in you young padawan.
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Drab Cane
Mining Emporium inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.07 00:18:00 -
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Ah, there's the Shar post I've been looking for - as refreshing as a dip in Arctic waters. 
Lady, check out the thread link that Amarr gave and make up your own mind. As Shar stated and every piece of investment advice I've ever read would say, only invest to your own comfort level. If you read the thread and don't come away with a warm fuzzy feeling, don't invest. Simple as that.
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Kwint Sommer
Caldari
XERCORE
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Posted - 2009.03.07 01:28:00 -
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Having argued against DBANK from the beginning, it is only now that Shar has a prominent role there that I will seriously consider investing in it.
Whether or not you should invest is a question you have to ask yourself but I can say that despite the recent controversies, it is only now that I am seriously considering it. Fraud by a fund manager, tellers resigning, bad PR, these are transitory things that can be overcome by good management, something that the bank has not had (in my opinion) until just recently. Despite all of my concerns about DBANK, old and new, I trust Shar to keep the train on the tracks and more importantly, to act as a watchdog. Could they have another scam and we all loose a few percent of deposits? Sure. But will it collapse and disappear wholesale like FRPB? Not so long as Shar is in position of importance. These are things to consider.
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Lady Onatopp
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.03.07 02:21:00 -
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Shar, I'm sorry I offended you with my newbie ways. I'm not a frequent contributor to the forums nor did I know about the third party site to search the forums. EVE-O makes it nearly impossible to find out what was going on with DBank so I asked in a new thread. I think it's a valid question. Trolling? Definitely not my intent. Inept? Maybe but only because I wasn't aware of other tools to find what I was looking for. I've only been playing EVE since December and I'm investing for the first time. Once I was pointed to the right thread, I also asked in that thread. Big deal, it hadn't been responded to in a month so consider it a bump. 
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Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.07 02:31:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
If it is trolling, don't care for it - professional opinion there.
If it is ineptitude, don't want their business either - professionial opinion there.
Isn't that the point? The OP wasn't trolling, they weren't inept. They were simply looking for clarification on whether everything was ok with DBANK. Rather than say "Yes, everything is fine, please see this thread for details", you chose to assume the person had ill intentions and for no other reason abuse the OP.
I don't need to do anything. I can't think of a better way to alienate your own prospective customers if they are too afraid to come to you with questions. |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2009.03.07 02:50:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Onatop
Blah, blah, blah
Originally by: Ricdic
Blah, blah, blah
You know, I wish I could see ip's or mains like moderators could so that I can be a bit more sure about the trolling nature of "different" individuals. No matter, Onatop decided to bump a month old dBank whine-a-thon, instead of anything else... and then create yet another dBank "let's get another bash in" thread with a 2 month old quote. Then, lo and behold the man that is desperately seeking drama, for his own aggrandizement, stumbles in and wants to give "politeness" lessons. It must be friday and a full moon this is so un-****ing-believable. My solution: - 1 very large water glass - 25% vodka - 25% peach schnapps - 25% orange juice - 25% carbonated water Drink until the situation becomes funny or I pass out. OP has no credit with me and Ric is just a jerk (like always). In either case, truly don't care. I can only, and truly, hope neither one of you are a customer at dBank because I may have more drinks to get at peace with giving either of you professional courtesy. Not that you won't get it but to be honest starting **** on the forums is not going to be considered interacting with a "customer". Sorry if somehow you thought I was boo boo the fool and follow that script or if (as Ric apparently wishes) that I was going to be prod-able into drama mode either. I just don't have it in me to care if either of you lives or dies. You think I care about your forum fu? Please, either get a life or just die.
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Lady Onatopp
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.03.07 03:06:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
In either case, truly don't care. I can only, and truly, hope neither one of you are a customer at dBank because I may have more drinks to get at peace with giving either of you professional courtesy. Not that you won't get it but to be honest starting **** on the forums is not going to be considered interacting with a "customer".
Then please have a teller refund the initial deposit I just recently sent to Manalapan's wallet.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2009.03.07 03:19:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Onatopp
Then please have a teller refund the initial deposit I just recently sent to Manalapan's wallet.
It would be my distinct pleasure however, per bank policy, forum bs is not considered official. You can however freely log in and put your isk where your mouth is and request it in a less public manner. Not that it was your intent, no doubt. PS: If you don't have forum to english translation dictionary handy that means "meh, I really don't care".
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Drab Cane
Mining Emporium inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.07 03:28:00 -
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Edited by: Drab Cane on 07/03/2009 03:31:19
Originally by: Lady Onatopp
Then please have a teller refund the initial deposit I just recently sent to Manalapan's wallet.
If you've read through the other threads, you may be aware that withdrawal requests have been taking a few days to process. I don't know if that has gotten any better or not.
As far as I know, Shar is not a teller nor a principle of DBank (neither am I) so I suggest you contact Manalapan in game/EVE-Mail regarding getting your ISK refunded.
You may have to wait until your account has been created, before you can request a withdrawal through the web site.
Edit: added disclaimer language.
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Caladain Barton
Vengeance Imperium
United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.07 03:34:00 -
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~blinkblink~Sooo..I take it something is in Shar's bonnet? From a PR standpoint, Shar just blasted anyone and everyone who posted..and probably will flame me as well. How can that be a good PR Move?
I mean, DBANK's PR has been pretty shakey thus far. There still isn't a Jan2009 Report posted, withdrawls are taking forever and a day sometimes, and no one is saying anything that i could hold up as "reassuring."
~sigh~
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2009.03.07 03:49:00 -
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Originally by: Caladain Barton
~blinkblink~Sooo..I take it something is in Shar's bonnet?
I'm probably a bit touchy after having Ric's nose up my bum a bit more than usual lately. Originally by: Caladain Barton
From a PR standpoint, Shar just blasted anyone and everyone who posted..and probably will flame me as well. How can that be a good PR Move?
Then learn to read. Originally by: Caladain Barton
I mean, DBANK's PR has been pretty shakey thus far. There still isn't a Jan2009 Report posted, withdrawls are taking forever and a day sometimes, and no one is saying anything that i could hold up as "reassuring."
Indeed, nothing reassuring at all. Withdrawals are not taking days, they are going through. The occasional person may take a day or so but that's well within the service guarantees. (Not that it stops the drama fest from going on.) However I can directly answer why the January Report was delayed. It was specifically at my advice. I said, "With the yearly report coming due bundle January/February into that as well. More importantly we need to focus on documenting all the changes and improvements, including post mortem on Xabier, then it is to push out one report." End quote. Mind you, it's a slow week so drama on, drama on. I'm going back to the rest of my friday night elsewhere. Where there's really something worth paying attention. PS: Sorry mate but a few trolls or drama flies does not constitute flaming everyone. But I guess new people need to try out their wings. I'll -sigh- along with you while you flutter about aimlessly.
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Athre
Minmatar
The Higher Standard
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Posted - 2009.03.07 04:14:00 -
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The OP quote came from here :
http://www.eve-search.com/thread/970123/page/1#1
I believe a summary of the current thread is in order:
Post 1 - (supposedly)relatively unknown posts asking question that has no need to be asked if he/she should be bothered to do research.
Post 2 - AC provided linkage to the official statement thread and teaches a means of how OP can be self sufficient in the future.
Post 3 - Shar gives his normal 'no one should invest in anyone' mantra and gives a side comment about trolling alts (note the quote is from January 10th - not such the new newb OP is eh? )
Post 4 - Ricdic getting his digs in and stirring trouble (you should be aware he WANTS drama)
Post 5 - Shar addresses Ricdic's commentary and is self effacing, gives additional professional and personal opinions. People should not invest what they are not comfortable with and calls the OP out on the 2 month link. Hard to be a newb if one's been around MD 2 months, more likely a trolling alt and appropriate disdain is shown.
Post 6 - Drab comments on Shar's brisk and invigorating post and goes on to support "invest to your own comfort level"
Post 7 - Kwint voices his own prior concern about Dbank and offers thoughts on his changing paradigm.
Post 8 - OP attempts to make nice claiming ignorance and desire to invest. [editorial comment - banks are not for investment, they are for idle isk. Playing since Dec and they found MD, stuffy old MD, still looking like someones alt]
Post 9 - Ricdic makes commentary about proper PR when he himself posts with impunity in other threads whenever he likes it , kettle pot anyone? [Is the speed of Ric's support that of his own alt or a friend he's bringing into the game?]
Post 10 - Shar points out once again the supposed new player's post in the OP is a 2 month old quote and addresses Ric's need for attention. Clearly advising his disdain for the OP and Ric and making light in the use of alcohol.
Post 11 - OP makes a request in a place it will never be honored
Post 12 - Shar advises DBank does not honor EO forum requests and suggests he/she use the appropriate area to make said request.
Post 13 - Drab advises it takes several days in his experience to get a withdrawal processed.
Post 14 - Caladain gave his opinion of the thread and voiced his concerns about a lack of regular reporting and length of time to receive a withdrawal request.
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Athre
Minmatar
The Higher Standard
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Posted - 2009.03.07 04:16:00 -
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Damit Shar! I told you I was composing, oh well
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Lady Onatopp
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.03.07 04:38:00 -
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Edited by: Lady Onatopp on 07/03/2009 04:38:47
The only one creating drama is Shar and, now, Athre by thinking there is more to my OP than there really is. Although I have an alt, this is my main, and the only thing you can blame on me is not finding the "other thread" before making this thread. I am merely new to isk banking and was concerned when I saw Iknota's bio when I went to make my initial deposit. Had there been info about the reorganization on DBank's website, this thread likely wouldn't have been started in the first place.
Also, since when is opening a bank account that pays interest, or investing in a CD like DBank offers, NOT investing as Athre implies?
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.03.07 04:41:00 -
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Lions and tigers and bears Oh my!
Damn some people can get worked up over a whole lotta nothing.
Last I checked, deposits were being handled. Withdrawals were being handled. Investments were being handled (I see Mana's hands all over my market logs at times)
And this is coming from someone who mostly shills ebank. |
Lady Onatopp
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.03.07 04:45:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Last I checked, deposits were being handled. Withdrawals were being handled. Investments were being handled (I see Mana's hands all over my market logs at times)
Thanks. That's all I really wanted to hear but wasn't hearing.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.03.07 04:50:00 -
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I think the whole market would feel a whole lot better with a proper update, balance sheet statement which is backed up by audit.
No one really knows what is going on with DBank and it sure would clear up the uncertainty.
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Drab Cane
Mining Emporium inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.07 06:22:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Withdrawals are not taking days, they are going through. The occasional person may take a day or so but that's well within the service guarantees.
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Last I checked, deposits were being handled. Withdrawals were being handled. Investments were being handled (I see Mana's hands all over my market logs at times)
And this is coming from someone who mostly shills ebank.
Whew - I'm glad things are smoothing out now.
Personally, I haven't touched my DBank account - that money is there long-term. (It's a pittance compared to other's, but it's what I can spare).
I was only repeating what other's had posted about withdrawal lag - I stand corrected, and apologize for repeating old news.
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Caladain Barton
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Posted - 2009.03.07 09:33:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Indeed, nothing reassuring at all. Withdrawals are not taking days, they are going through. The occasional person may take a day or so but that's well within the service guarantees. (Not that it stops the drama fest from going on.)
Yeah, sorry..speaking personally, i've had a withdrawl in since the 4th, it's now the 7th, and it's still unclaimed.  The previous one took 4 days. 
I'm not really complaining, stuff happens and whatnot. Businesses have hiccups and that's nothing to flame about. I was only commenting from what i've read, and more specifically, what i've experienced. 
I initially sunk some cash into DBank to test it out shortly before the whole stolen money thing happened, yanked my isk, and then put a smaller sum back in as test money.
Originally by: Shar Tegral
However I can directly answer why the January Report was delayed. It was specifically at my advice. I said, "With the yearly report coming due bundle January/February into that as well. More importantly we need to focus on documenting all the changes and improvements, including post mortem on Xabier, then it is to push out one report." End quote.
Cool. Sounds good. I must have missed this quote on the MD during my daily scanning of every MD discussion, but eve search isn't turning it up either. As i've said in another thread here on MD, it's all about perception. Just reading the replies of Dbank employees whose message i've read thus far has been "everything's fine!" does nothing to make me feel secure putting a more healthy chunk of isk into Dbank.
Originally by: Shar Tegral
PS: Sorry mate but a few trolls or drama flies does not constitute flaming everyone. But I guess new people need to try out their wings. I'll -sigh- along with you while you flutter about aimlessly.
Glad you're joining me for my sigh while i wait for my withdrawl..again.
~sigh~
PS: I do want to thank you for letting me know a report is coming at some point in the (far?) future. I may be new to MD and trading, but i'm not new to eve 
PPS: Sorry if i've upset you in some fashion. I tend to speak my mind and tell things how i see them. Perhaps we can bury the hatchet and, if not be friends, then at least not be enemies? 
PPPS: The drink you posted wasn't too bad, though i did a 33,33,33 and dropped the bubbly water from the equation :-)
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2009.03.07 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray
I think the whole market would feel a whole lot better with a proper update, balance sheet statement which is backed up by audit. No one really knows what is going on with DBank and it sure would clear up the uncertainty.
Okay, a 100% audit of dBank's history is not possible. Well it is possible but not with data that would be consider unimpeachable. {Translation: I can only verify data that I've collected. I can ask for dBanks records on various things but I'd have to take their word for it. Where that happens, the data is not considered unimpeachable.} However, I can tell you as of one hour ago (60 minutes) that dBank has almost 20% liquidity. That is almost 20% of all isk deposits is immediately available for withdrawals. This does not mean that withdrawal can happen immediately mind you. Just that it is there, liquid, and available. While eBank has graciously offered to assist/bail out dBank, over and over again I hear this, this gracious offer was made, and publicized, without any permission or need upon the part of dBank. Besides the face value explanation of "friendly concern" I'm sure dBank care not what reasons eBank has for this offer. It could be a friendly gesture, it could just be a marketing campaign. Doesn't matter as it wasn't needed. Now, I could go into further details about transactions, sales, operations, but to be frank that's not within my purview at this time. (Yeah, seriously.) Auditing is an iterative process that must elevate as it scales up. As dBank's management and I cover more territory there will obviously be much more I could say... and a lot more I will not say for confidentiality's sake. That being said, dBank has zero need for eBank's assistance. Continued concerns from certain members of eBank's board of directors are totally unfounded and simply irresponsible in the extreme. Though I doubt that these persons will see it that way but no amount of talking can get someone else to any less delusional. For those people still undecided by the status of dBank I can only repeat the above statement or go with the eBank method of debate. I'd rather not dumb down the conversation if given a choice. 
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Dodi Xi
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Posted - 2009.03.07 10:12:00 -
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Linkage
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Willen
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.07 12:01:00 -
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My own newbie 2 cents all the OP needed was a simple reply pointing them to the other thread, really going to alienate people if come in guns blazing over a simple question.
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Iskyu Geiveme
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Posted - 2009.03.07 12:10:00 -
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Dbank is Insolvent.
You better hope your not last in line.
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Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.07 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
While eBank has graciously offered to assist/bail out dBank, over and over again I hear this, this gracious offer was made, and publicized, without any permission or need upon the part of dBank.
In actual fact this offer was made directly to Manalapan (CEO of DBANK) in an ingame conversation between myself and him. As I stated then our assistance didn't necessarily need to be financial, it could be in the form of advice, teller assistance etc.
Anyway as per the above quote and my response I suggest you check your facts before lying. I can happily provide you with chat logs to prove this if you want to try and take that approach. Our offer (in more forms than one) was not accepted in any form and as can be seen above, again your customers are suffering with withdrawals exceeding the required SLA's.
DBANK are happy to run along in quiet, their CEO seemingly unaware of this conversation, who knows if he still even logs into Eve. Obviously he is not processing withdrawals. And yes everyone has RL issues, I have been working 60 hour weeks in RL for the past 2 months, not to mention 15 hours a week travel and I can still manage to move funds where they need to go.
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Continued concerns from certain members of eBank's board of directors are totally unfounded and simply irresponsible in the extreme. Though I doubt that these persons will see it that way but no amount of talking can get someone else to any less delusional.
Look, if DBANK fails it affects the entire secondary market. It won't strengthen or empower EBANK, it will actually weaken it. Every operation above 500b in the past has gone scam except (thus far) EBANK, DBANK and Block. I don't believe anyone else has currently surpassed this threshold. In every single scenario it involved the CEO showing up less, and less, and less, till suddenly we never saw them again.
My intentions (for the sake of the secondary market) are to ensure that this doesn't happen again. If the CEO doesn't have the time to run DBANK, or the interest in seeing it survive, or the plans to find others to fill his shoes then DBANK will go down the exact same path and ultimately fail.
You can assume that my intentions are ill and frankly I don't give a damn about you personally Shar, but I had these same concerns/debates with Fastlearner and with Salpad so don't think yourself special.
Does DBANK care to comment on why it's withdrawals are exceeding their stated SLA once more? I thought a new teller position was going to be filled within 24 hours of the last time this came up? How about that new teller system you spoke of Shar? Remember, the one you blasted me over bringing up? Was it a lie?
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2009.03.07 12:23:00 -
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Edited by: YouGotRipped on 07/03/2009 12:37:56
Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: cosmoray
I think the whole market would feel a whole lot better with a proper update, balance sheet statement which is backed up by audit. No one really knows what is going on with DBank and it sure would clear up the uncertainty.
Okay, a 100% audit of dBank's history is not possible ... dBank has almost 20% liquidity. ... [bull****] ... Doesn't matter as it wasn't needed. ... [more bull****] ... [lost count] .
The reason why the community got to the point of questioning Dbank's activity is precisely the failure to provide some sort of monthly report coupled with delays in meeting withdrawal requests following Xabier's scam.
If we are the believe the profit figures from whatever monthly reports Dbank provided to that point, it will take 7 months at a minimum to recover the 80 bills loss... of course there's still the matter of paying the interest for the ongoing deposits etc... so it's well in excess of 7 months.
As Cosmo said, the priority should be posting monthly balance sheet statements (reference points) that can later be corroborated via auditing.
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Joss Sparq
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.07 13:29:00 -
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Whenever I'm suffering from consumption (the alcoholic kind) and I'm on EVE Online and I see one of these threads about E/DBANK I have to resist the temptation to Private Chat a bank director in-game and ask them to check their bank.
Why? (they may ask)
"To see if it's running!"
Mercifully, even when absolutely trashed I still know what a terrible, terrible joke it is.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2009.03.07 14:13:00 -
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Nothing personal gents but I'm authorized to do the talking and I am doing the talking. No amount of emotional appeals are going to change that. Or did you not notice there is one voice and one voice only talking. So, the bs stops here.
As to SLA, I've been actively working on it and actively working with customers who have been negatively effected. Is it perfect? Nope, not yet. But then change doesn't happen overnight.
Now, like I said, I can only give you answers based in facts. Obviously some of you want answers based on something other than facts. Those I am unable to give you as I'm unable to join you in your delusions of grandeur. No matter how central you think your bank is it has no say on the validity or operation of another bank.
And having had many a conversation with you Ric I can only imagine the fantasy land you've created for yourself. Correction, I don't have to imagine it since I've endured it myself directly.
Still, scream, rant, rave on. It won't matter one lick to me and I doubt it will matter to anyone at dBank. We know the validity of your continuing accusations and, well, you are becoming a parody of yourself. Sad really. Regardless, this is not the drama you are looking for because you are simply not worth fighting with.
You just think you are.
My old mercenary(PVP) corp is recruiting again. Would you believe I'm giving them my signature block for free? |
Lady Onatopp
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.03.07 15:14:00 -
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Thanks for the comments everyone, Shar as well.
DBANK Clotho actually setup my new account well within their stated time frame so I'm going to let the isks sit there in a 'limited account' for awhile and see how things go.
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Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.07 15:16:00 -
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Interesting to see that every one of my questions has been responded too with attacks. |
Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2009.03.07 15:25:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic
Interesting to see that every one of my questions has been responded too with attacks.
Yes, you would be baffled by that.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2009.03.07 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Onatopp
Thanks for the comments everyone, Shar as well. DBANK Clotho actually setup my new account well within their stated time frame so I'm going to let the isks sit there in a 'limited account' for awhile and see how things go.
Might I add that not only should one never invest, or maintain an investment, when you are uncomfortable but also people should take these forums with a grain of salt. The amount of alts create a great temptation to troll and misinform (and disinform) to a great extent. Just because the people posting here are Eve players does not mean that some of the most unsavory internet behaviors are impossible. Around here, they are very very probable. Which is why my public personae is one of abject hostility. Not all the time but ready and available at a moment's notice. Just like the trolls are ready as well.
My old mercenary(PVP) corp is recruiting again. Would you believe I'm giving them my signature block for free? |
Ricdic
Caldari
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Posted - 2009.03.07 16:11:00 -
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I am also done with this thread and DBANK in general. Good luck. |
Joss Sparq
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.07 16:19:00 -
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I am going to bed!
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2009.03.07 17:44:00 -
[38]
I am going to be sick!
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Thoraemond
Minmatar
Far Ranger
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Posted - 2009.03.07 19:21:00 -
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Maybe I'm a bit too gullible or naive, but I read the beginning of this thread a bit differently than have some others.
I enjoy some drama in Market Discussions, and I think that issuers and services that put themselves in the public eye should accept (and even welcome) public scrutiny. To be clear, I am not telling anyone how they should behave or making any claim about how this thread should have been handled. I just want to illustrate how the situation might look from a different perspective:
Originally by: Athre
The OP quote came from here :
http://www.eve-search.com/thread/970123/page/1#1
The quotation, complete with typo in the date, could have come from Iknota's bio at the time the post was made. The Dynasty Banking website, when I checked it yesterday, makes many references to Iknota, and it doesn't seem strange to me that a potential new depositor would examine Iknota's bio.
Originally by: Athre
Post 1 - (Supposedly) relatively unknown posts asking question that has no need to be asked if he/she should be bothered to do research.
I agree that more research by the OP (even a Google search if the OP doesn't know about eve-search.com, as indeed a true rookie might not) would have been appropriate, but in the thread I don't see any particular reason to suspect that the OP is only pretending to be a rookie.
Originally by: Athre
Post 2 - AC provided linkage to the official statement thread and teaches a means of how OP can be self sufficient in the future.
It's only after this post from Amarr Citizen 155 that the OP revives the previous (and I agree, more appropriate) DBANK thread. Again, maybe I'm naive, but this is fully consistent with the OP simply following the advice given in this thread.
Originally by: Athre
Post 3 - [...] (note the quote is from January 10th - not such the new newb OP is eh?)
Again, the quotation might well have been taken directly from Iknota's bio at the time it was posted.
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Lady Onatopp
Amarr
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Posted - 2009.03.07 20:16:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Might I add that not only should one never invest, or maintain an investment, when you are uncomfortable but also people should take these forums with a grain of salt.
Yes, I'm beginning to see why some people call Market PVP to be just as ruthless, if not more so, than combat PVP.
Originally by: Thoraemond
The quotation, complete with typo in the date, could have come from Iknota's bio at the time the post was made. The Dynasty Banking website, when I checked it yesterday, makes many references to Iknota, and it doesn't seem strange to me that a potential new depositor would examine Iknota's bio.
This is exactly what happened. I first learned of both EBank and DBank from the sticky at the top of MD titled "Investing For Beginners (New to MD read here".
So I went to both EBank's and DBank's websites to find out how to setup an account. DBank's website stated to make the initial deposit into to either Manalapan or Iknota's wallets. So I checked out Iknota's "show info" before blindly sending the isk and I saw that quote. I then didn't find any recent posts about DBank, and Manalapan didn't have any bio info at all, so I created this thread.
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2009.03.07 21:40:00 -
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Edited by: YouGotRipped on 07/03/2009 21:45:41
Originally by: Lady Onatopp
Yes, I'm beginning to see why some people call Market PVP to be just as ruthless, if not more so, than combat PVP.
You'll have to excuse Shar, he's an old man (in his fifties and nearing the end of his journey) that only had some success in his life, which is why he now feels the need to justify his existence by posting in a game forum and flaming to death the teens not adhering to his moral code, adding a personal dimension to trivial matters and turning them into life or death issues.
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abraheam
Dirty Denizens
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Posted - 2009.03.07 21:44:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Onatopp
This is exactly what happened. I first learned of both EBank and DBank from the sticky at the top of MD titled "Investing For Beginners (New to MD read here".
So I went to both EBank's and DBank's websites to find out how to setup an account. DBank's website stated to make the initial deposit into to either Manalapan or Iknota's wallets. So I checked out Iknota's "show info" before blindly sending the isk and I saw that quote. I then didn't find any recent posts about DBank, and Manalapan didn't have any bio info at all, so I created this thread.
You did the right thing. Dbank has a history in my opinion, one that includes emo tellers. Instead of stone walling you with a thread that doasnt have any releveant information on the topic at hand the first thing they should have done (and probably did do) was ask the teller why he has a message in his bio about leaving the game when he is responsible for public related transactions...
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Athre
Minmatar
The Higher Standard
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Posted - 2009.03.07 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Thoraemond
Originally by: Athre
Post 3 - [...] (note the quote is from January 10th - not such the new newb OP is eh?)
Again, the quotation might well have been taken directly from Iknota's bio at the time it was posted.
I see. I apologize as my understanding was that the only place the date and time stamp existed was IN the thread linked. The logic path I was taking is - if one can find that thread they can find the other and are feigning ignorance. However it appears that was not the case.
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2009.03.07 22:05:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Athre
Originally by: Thoraemond
Originally by: Athre
Post 3 - [...] (note the quote is from January 10th - not such the new newb OP is eh?)
Again, the quotation might well have been taken directly from Iknota's bio at the time it was posted.
I see. I apologize as my understanding was that the only place the date and time stamp existed was IN the thread linked. The logic path I was taking is - if one can find that thread they can find the other and are feigning ignorance. However it appears that was not the case.
Not to worry princess. We've already subtracted 10 points from your IQ score. Run along now
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2009.03.07 22:54:00 -
[45]
Originally by: YouGotRipped
Repeated trollings
Dammit, who forgot to stroke poor YGR's ego? Yall know he can't find love any other way!
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2009.03.07 23:43:00 -
[46]
Edited by: YouGotRipped on 07/03/2009 23:46:15
Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: YouGotRipped
Repeated trollings
Dammit, who forgot to stroke poor YGR's ego? Yall know he can't find love any other way!
The same person who forgot to crank up your oxygen tube?
We're still waiting for the balance sheet, remember?
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Business Ethics
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Posted - 2009.03.07 23:49:00 -
[47]
I wish D-Bank would put their login page behind HTTPS I'm on an unencrypted wireless link on travel.
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Krathos Morpheus
Gallente
Legion Infernal
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.03.08 01:06:00 -
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Edited by: Krathos Morpheus on 08/03/2009 01:07:49
Edited by: Krathos Morpheus on 08/03/2009 01:06:47
Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Lady Onatopp
Thanks for the comments everyone, Shar as well. DBANK Clotho actually setup my new account well within their stated time frame so I'm going to let the isks sit there in a 'limited account' for awhile and see how things go.
Might I add that not only should one never invest, or maintain an investment, when you are uncomfortable but also people should take these forums with a grain of salt. The amount of alts create a great temptation to troll and misinform (and disinform) to a great extent. Just because the people posting here are Eve players does not mean that some of the most unsavory internet behaviors are impossible. Around here, they are very very probable. Which is why my public personae is one of abject hostility. Not all the time but ready and available at a moment's notice. Just like the trolls are ready as well.
It doesn't matter if Lady is trolling or not, if you want to do good to DBank you should give arguments along with accusations. Arguments on DBank doing his job to make customers feel comfortable. New people could come here, read this thread and not the previous one. Something like: this has been discussed before and it is no problem. If you are going to deal with customers you should treat them without suspect unless otherwise is proved (again if you want the best for DBank). If you can not do so, I think that the best for DBank should be that you do your reports and advises internally and let this thing to other people. But what concerns me now is that no other people from DBank shows up his heads here. Are you the only public head for DBank on MD? (Honest question, I don't know if it is so). I think that DBank should rethink about their marketing and the image they project of their bank (wich has been hurt recently), more info and transparency would be welcome.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.03.08 05:10:00 -
[49]
*facepalm |
Kwint Sommer
Caldari
XERCORE
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Posted - 2009.03.08 06:16:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
*facepalm
I fixed it for you.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.03.08 06:49:00 -
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Originally by: Kwint Sommer
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
*facepalm
I fixed it for you.
Pretty much
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Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2009.03.08 06:59:00 -
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This thread needs more ego (which is why I'm posting).
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Mr Horizontal
Gallente
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.08 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Ray McCormack
This thread needs more ego (which is why I'm posting).
lol
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.03.08 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Horizontal
Originally by: Ray McCormack
This thread needs more ego (which is why I'm posting).
lol
Posting to confirm ego.
EBANK - Chairman of the Board | www.eve-bank.net
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Zeddicus Mallows
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Posted - 2009.03.09 00:01:00 -
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Just a friendly bump so possible new customers to DBANK can see how it's only active member treats it's customers.
I am a nobody here, but promise you your better off taking your isk out of DBANK and putting it into your wallet or another very trusted source such as BSAC, EBANK, or any other new ventures with recognized people.
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Frenden Dax
Dax Acquisitions
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Posted - 2009.03.09 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: Zeddicus Mallows
Just a friendly bump so possible new customers to DBANK can see how it's only active member treats it's customers.
I am a nobody here, but promise you your better off taking your isk out of DBANK and putting it into your wallet or another very trusted source such as BSAC, EBANK, or any other new ventures with recognized people.
Isn't there a bridge you're supposed to be under?
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Zeddicus Mallows
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Posted - 2009.03.09 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Frenden Dax
Originally by: Zeddicus Mallows
Just a friendly bump so possible new customers to DBANK can see how it's only active member treats it's customers.
I am a nobody here, but promise you your better off taking your isk out of DBANK and putting it into your wallet or another very trusted source such as BSAC, EBANK, or any other new ventures with recognized people.
Isn't there a bridge you're supposed to be under?
I call them how I see them, I invest in my isk with those I trust. I thought maybe bringing Shar to DBANK would resolve my issue some, but instead now they don't report, they don't support customers and instead of making things better, he creates more hostility than he is worth.
That is my thoughts though, other new customers can read this thread and get there own, my goal is to keep it near the top and will start new ones so that all customers can see another mistake DBANK has made.
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.03.09 02:32:00 -
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Ok, now this is getting ridiculous.
Slamming DBANK for the sake of slamming DBANK is not called for.
EBANK - Chairman of the Board | www.eve-bank.net
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Zeddicus Mallows
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Posted - 2009.03.09 04:14:00 -
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Edited by: Zeddicus Mallows on 09/03/2009 04:14:56
Originally by: Hexxx
Ok, now this is getting ridiculous.
Slamming DBANK for the sake of slamming DBANK is not called for.
They should hire people that make them look like they care, not hire somone that has an attitude with it's customers. I will continue my attack on DBANK until it can show proof it no longer needs to be attacked. First step would Shar calming down and stopping with his "I am better than Though" bs and actually helping the situation not make it worse. On top of that nobody else from DBANK is saying anything.
Edited: For better wording.
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Kazzac Elentria
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Posted - 2009.03.09 04:41:00 -
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Originally by: Zeddicus Mallows
Edited by: Zeddicus Mallows on 09/03/2009 04:14:56
Originally by: Hexxx
Ok, now this is getting ridiculous.
Slamming DBANK for the sake of slamming DBANK is not called for.
They should hire people that make them look like they care, not hire somone that has an attitude with it's customers. I will continue my attack on DBANK until it can show proof it no longer needs to be attacked. First step would Shar calming down and stopping with his "I am better than Though" bs and actually helping the situation not make it worse. On top of that nobody else from DBANK is saying anything.
Edited: For better wording.
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Krathos Morpheus
Gallente
Legion Infernal
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.03.09 05:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Originally by: Zeddicus Mallows
Edited by: Zeddicus Mallows on 09/03/2009 04:14:56
Originally by: Hexxx
Ok, now this is getting ridiculous.
Slamming DBANK for the sake of slamming DBANK is not called for.
They should hire people that make them look like they care, not hire somone that has an attitude with it's customers. I will continue my attack on DBANK until it can show proof it no longer needs to be attacked. First step would Shar calming down and stopping with his "I am better than Though" bs and actually helping the situation not make it worse. On top of that nobody else from DBANK is saying anything.
Edited: For better wording.
Obvious alt is obvious
It's a shame that this thread has degenerated like this (specially for the ego thing). If you want to atack DBank you are doing it pretty poorly, I'm with you with the issue that nobody else from DBANK is saying anything (not even Shar anymore), but if you want to start a crusade against DBank this is not the way if you want to be taken seriously.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:11:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Krathos Morpheus
I'm with you with the issue that nobody else from DBANK is saying anything (not even Shar anymore)
People, get a grip. It's the weekend and in particular it is Sunday. Sunday is the one day that I spend most of the day at church in observance of my religion. No matter what your opinion is of me, in this game, or of religion, outside this game, it all boils down to this: there is life besides Eve and the MD.
My old mercenary(PVP) corp is recruiting again. Would you believe I'm giving them my signature block for free? |
Krathos Morpheus
Gallente
Legion Infernal
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.03.09 06:49:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: Krathos Morpheus
I'm with you with the issue that nobody else from DBANK is saying anything (not even Shar anymore)
People, get a grip. It's the weekend and in particular it is Sunday. Sunday is the one day that I spend most of the day at church in observance of my religion. No matter what your opinion is of me, in this game, or of religion, outside this game, it all boils down to this: there is life besides Eve and the MD.
If that's the case, I apologize for that, It's just that I thought that you were avoiding to answer... mmm... wait, you did it! I want to point that my comments has nothing to do on my opinion on you, but on how DBank is performing lately with their customers.
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2009.03.09 09:30:00 -
[64]
Edited by: YouGotRipped on 09/03/2009 09:33:06
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Originally by: Zeddicus Mallows
Originally by: Hexxx
Ok, now this is getting ridiculous.
Slamming DBANK for the sake of slamming DBANK is not called for.
They should hire people that make them look like they care, not hire somone that has an attitude with it's customers. I will continue my attack on DBANK until it can show proof it no longer needs to be attacked. First step would Shar calming down and stopping with his "I am better than Though" bs and actually helping the situation not make it worse. On top of that nobody else from DBANK is saying anything.
Edited: For better wording.
Obvious alt is obvious
"Oh, this is ridiculous. We are the United States Government, we don't do that sort of thing. I will not do this... NO!"
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Joss Sparq
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.09 10:50:00 -
[65]
Originally by: YouGotRipped
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Obvious alt is obvious
"Oh, this is ridiculous. We are the United States Government, we don't do that sort of thing. I will not do this... NO!!!"
I don't get it. 
Are the voices trying to get out, YGR?
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Zeddicus Mallows
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Posted - 2009.03.09 10:53:00 -
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Can anyone else from DBANK other Shar Tegral confirm that Shar Tegral is DBANK's customer service and PR guy now. If this is the case why does DBANK CEO not care how he treats and talks down to it's customers?
Is getting talked down to and constant drama from DBANK better than no communicaiton at all?
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2009.03.09 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: Joss Sparq
Originally by: YouGotRipped
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Obvious alt is obvious
"Oh, this is ridiculous. We are the United States Government, we don't do that sort of thing. I will not do this... NO!!!"
I don't get it.
Are the voices trying to get out, YGR?
Link
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Aniel Zaar
Gallente
Light of Orion
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Posted - 2009.03.09 11:14:00 -
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Edited by: Aniel Zaar on 09/03/2009 11:16:04
Edited by: Aniel Zaar on 09/03/2009 11:14:45
Yet another dBank thread....
To unhappy: the game is not real life. People are running bank services because they, to a degree, enjoy doing it (if they don't and are still doing it - my condolences). They do not owe you a pleasant costumer experience, that's not what their product is. I'm sure you can hire someone to kiss your behind ingame if you feel it needs kissing.
To the dBank speaker: while you do sound like a say-it-as-it-is kind of person (which is good), I think you should reconsider your position as a PR rep - some bum-licking skills are good to have, although not a requirement, and I can't imagine there isn't anyone to do it to a better degree then yourself.
To ricdic: I find that your tone changes from post to post. Pick a personality and stick to it - unless it's, you know, that time of month for you.
Edit: added a 'k' do ricdic's name, and it was censored...
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Confuzer I
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Posted - 2009.03.09 12:24:00 -
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Lady: ignore Shar, he is just a jerk
Shar: why are you still here, you are so bitter in your comments it hurts me? I heared e-bank has a so called elite forum (I checked it out, wow, it's so elite!)
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Ray McCormack
hirr
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Posted - 2009.03.09 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: Krathos Morpheus
It's a shame that this thread has degenerated like this (specially for the ego thing).
The ego post is the only good thing about this thread.
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Emywn Vanya
Caldari
Redemption or Retribution
The Second Genesis
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Posted - 2009.03.09 16:40:00 -
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All publicity is good publicity?
Meh I still have money in DBank and after my CD's expire will probably put more into a more acessable account. I don't really give a damn about how they run PR, so long as when I need to buy my titan i can get my money out within a week.
Use Ebank for quick access to your isk at a low rate
Use Dbank for a high rate and low access to your isk.
If you don't trust them don't give them your isk. It ain't hard people
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Bad Bobby
Ugly Toys
Zzz
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Posted - 2009.03.09 17:13:00 -
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For what it is worth, here is my opinion of DBANK. It probably reflects the shallow research I have done on the subject...
Manalapan
He's a money making machine and obviously a key part of the DBANK operation. From my perspective that is both good and bad. My concern here is that if you were to subtract him from DBANK, what would you have left?
Shar Tegral
He's a good auditor and troubleshooter. I believe that bringing him on board is a forward step for DBANK. However, I do not believe that PR is his calling.
Tellers
I have concerns about their numbers, availability and trustworthyness. However, I believe that the issues here are relatively minor and fixes are in the works. I suspect that a lot more fuss is made of this issue than is warrented.
PR
DBANKs PR thus far has been very poor. So poor, in fact, that Shar's recent handling of the PR situation has been an improvement on what they had before. No offence intended to Shar on this subject as I believe he is a great asset, but I think he should be used wisely. As a stopgap, until a more suitable candidate is found, I believe you could do a whole lot worse than Shar, but I don't think Shar as PR man will work long term.
The Management
I feel that the DBANK management has made some serious errors in the past. I don't think anyone can really hope to argue against me on this point. My concern is that we have not seen the end of poor decision making from DBANK. Ultimately, all of the issues I observe in DBANK stem from this core problem.
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Athre
Minmatar
The Higher Standard
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Posted - 2009.03.09 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Zeddicus Mallows
Can anyone else from DBANK other Shar Tegral confirm that Shar Tegral is DBANK's customer service and PR guy now. If this is the case why does DBANK CEO not care how he treats and talks down to it's customers?
I believe Salapad is the PR guy. However regarding does Shar work for DBANK how about this?
Originally by: Malaplan
Currently Shar is on board doing audits. He has a year to catch up on so I do not see him getting a 100% audit completed very soon.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.03.09 21:08:00 -
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This post and others like it should not be neccesary.
The whole issue is a "percieved" lack of information.
After the Xabier issue Manalapan needed to come on here and provide some reassurance. He is the one with the cash, no one else can do it for him.
Unfortunately Salpad turned up and gave his usual useless respsonses. Then nothing!
Rumour, comments, 1 late withdrawal and a big snowball effect and everyone jumps on bashing DBank.
When there is an issue the board (or Manalapan in this case) needs to get out in front of it and deal with it publicly. Failure to do so creates more problems longer term.
Hiring Shar is a good step, as I trust him.
Personally I wouldn't invest any ISK in DBank until I have seen an audit or a report.
What I would really like to see is that the total in the DBank accounts equals what is in Manalapan's wallet + any money tied up in escrow.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2009.03.09 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Bobby
For what it is worth, here is my opinion of DBANK. It probably reflects the shallow research I have done on the subject...
I would like to say thank you for your post. It states what you think without being a troll/flame. It also suggests questions that you want asked. I'll try to answer those now. Originally by: Bad Bobby
Manalapan
He's a money making machine and obviously a key part of the DBANK operation. From my perspective that is both good and bad. My concern here is that if you were to subtract him from DBANK, what would you have left?
Not much and not only because of the money making aspect. Manalapan is the leader and head of dBank. Inokta has not left dBank I might add. Inokta had to step back from eve so that he could invest a greater amount of time into his own life. Real Life > Eve as we all know. However Inokta is still very present at dBank. And these are just the two people that most of you know about. Like an Iceberg, there is more to dBank than what is readily visible. I guess dBank just doesn't have anyone we'd call MD celebrity status really. (Except me and I'm no winner in that regard.) And that is on my agenda of changes to be made. While I think that employee anonymity can help to avoid overweening ego problems (need I offer an example?) there should be some disclosure of who is involved in customer isk. Not to mention that those who perform a job should be spotlighted so that credit can go where credit is warranted. (Who doesn't like an "attaboy" every so often? Part I - Continued in Part II
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2009.03.09 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Bobby
Shar Tegral
He's a good auditor and troubleshooter. I believe that bringing him on board is a forward step for DBANK. However, I do not believe that PR is his calling.
Amen, amen, amen. I was not brought on board for PR purposes. That's Salpad's job and I do not want it. But, you knew there was a but coming, it goes without saying that I am not a silent person. My ability to speak and my willingness to speak out is part of the confidence that the community has in me. There is not better demonstration of my commitment to dBank and my growing confidence in dBank then my valiant defense of dBank. The only tool I have for defending dBank is information. How I apply it - with passionate vigor. The flaws with Salpad, as PR manager, are small ones but somewhat fatal at this time. He doesn't have the reputation, credibility, or the confidence in his position to effectively handle some of the troublesome celebrity pests. (Alt or main.) The solution to that is really simple, time. Experience is all that he lacks to be as effective as he needs to be. I'm going to share what experience and advice I have for him but I am not, and never have been, a PR man. As to customer service, my track record in that regards speak for itself. I do not have any disgruntled investors. There are no customers eBank had to apologize to or for during my tenure there. This venue is not one for customer service nor is it one where I can determine who is a customer and who is a troublemaker. The only litmus test I have is one simple expedient, customers complain directly to us. Trolls go running around in public screaming and waving. My position on this and behaviors is well known, consistently applied, and was to eBank's benefit during its foundation and growth. The same techniques and beliefs are on display here. In essence: I can not change just because the bank I'm working for has changed. What confidence would you have in my integrity if I was so flexible? Love me, hate me, doesn't make a difference. I do not change, not now, not last year, not in the past five years. I do not flinch from my responsibilities, I do my duty, and I am not afraid of public opinion backlash. Part II - Continued in Part III
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2009.03.09 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Bad Bobby
The Management
I feel that the DBANK management has made some serious errors in the past. I don't think anyone can really hope to argue against me on this point. My concern is that we have not seen the end of poor decision making from DBANK. Ultimately, all of the issues I observe in DBANK stem from this core problem.
Well, I guess it'll be no surprise if I do try to argue this point. At the least argue "serious mistakes". Or do you think eBank has itself been free of such errors as has plagued dBank? (Nope, if you are wondering) eBank makes so easy a standard to use when comparing dBank. After all BMBE simply does not operate in the same manner and the only way to apply EIB is if point out that Ricdic was a very open, willing, and innocent component of that scam. However it needs to be said that there are different mindsets at work and different capabilities. eBank's luck is that there has been no public knowledge of a Xabier type of event. That is part preparation, no doubt, but do not dismiss the fact that there is a strong stream of luck involved. It was not many months ago that the anti-bank train was chomping on eBank's leg as well. I, too, have my thoughts and ideas as to what could be improved at dBank however for right now I'm keeping that to myself. Mostly because it is easy, and ineffective, to pre-judge any situation until you get your hands into the guts of it. My position, right now, is to get my hands dirty but to remain a step back so as not to get trapped into the focus of "now". To see what is going on and to try to see what else is going as well. Again, with eBank as a standard the only failing that dBank has is not enough minds to provide an encompassing perspective of what is going on. The decision to address that was not wrong. What was wrong was Xabier and far too many of you made the same mistake with him as well. Of course, in that regard eBank has made mistakes as well. Talking about Xabier is like talking about Asimov's Mule. One must plan for the possibility but there is, often enough, not much you can do to avoid the eventuality of it. Originally by: cosmoray
What I would really like to see is that the total in the DBank accounts equals what is in Manalapan's wallet + any money tied up in escrow.
I've already disclosed some information on this. That being, about 20% of deposited isk is liquid and available for withdrawal. I understand that you want more information and I don't blame you for it. However what information gets released, to the public, is not going to be as detailed as what I get nor is it going to be at the constant repeated insistence. What Manalapan decides to release as a report is going to be what he decides it to be. I can only hope that it contains what you feel it should however that I can not guarantee. The only thing I will is that I'm going to be reading it and making sure it is accurate. The public and private parts of it. I don't run dBank nor does the MD. There's a purity of purpose in that statement and a reminder of actual reality as well. Not this twisted toxic thing called internet/forum perception of reality. PS: If you are wondering... I'm pretty much limiting myself to one post per day maximum regarding dBank. No exceptions, no refunds.
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eVaLF
Delivery Luck
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
[justify] Originally by: Bad Bobby
The Management
I feel that the DBANK management has made some serious errors in the past. I don't think anyone can really hope to argue against me on this point. My concern is that we have not seen the end of poor decision making from DBANK. Ultimately, all of the issues I observe in DBANK stem from this core problem.
Well, I guess it'll be no surprise if I do try to argue this point. At the least argue "serious mistakes". Or do you think eBank has itself been free of such errors as has plagued dBank? (Nope, if you are wondering)
eBank makes so easy a standard to use when comparing dBank. After all BMBE simply does not operate in the same manner and the only way to apply EIB is if point out that Ricdic was a very open, willing, and innocent component of that scam. However it needs to be said that there are different mindsets at work and different capabilities.
eBank's luck is that there has been no public knowledge of a Xabier type of event. That is part preparation, no doubt, but do not dismiss the fact that there is a strong stream of luck involved. It was not many months ago that the anti-bank train was chomping on eBank's leg as well.
I, too, have my thoughts and ideas as to what could be improved at dBank however for right now I'm keeping that to myself. Mostly because it is easy, and ineffective, to pre-judge any situation until you get your hands into the guts of it. My position, right now, is to get my hands dirty but to remain a step back so as not to get trapped into the focus of "now". To see what is going on and to try to see what else is going as well.
Shar here is the issue I have right now with your posts personally, it's not a slam on you nor do I want to start a fight as others in this thread seem to want to do. You continue to bring up EBANK in posts regarding DBANK or comparing the two and I can't seem to work out why. Unless I missed somthing and in this thread its possible with all the flaming and alt trolls, Bad Bobby mentioned some things about DBANK not citing EBANK or how EBANK does things. But you continue to post and compare the two and then wonder why EBANK ends up all over DBANK threads. Maybe it would still happen but by you comparing the two it makes this into a DBANK VS EBANK thread and brings in the trolls from both sides.
Again I may have just missed somthing but this is the way I percieve it. (Sorry about spelling).
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Joss Sparq
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.10 01:26:00 -
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Well to be fair to Shar, D/EBANK are the two biggest banks and someone is bound to mention one when the other is being discussed - it may as well be someone who is at least acting in an official capacity and qualified to toot their own horn on that basis.
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nether void
Caldari
The Older Gamers
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.10 17:57:00 -
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Wow Shar works for DBANK now? I'm pretty behind on current events it seems.
Although that's definitely a plus for DBANK.
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Gallente
Legion Infernal
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.03.11 02:17:00 -
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That was a nice post, Shar. Thank you.
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The only tool I have for defending dBank is information. How I apply it - with passionate vigor.
I must say that this was what we were demanding and if information were provided from the begining this would be gone better.
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2009.03.11 04:03:00 -
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Now worries Evalf, I don't not take contention or disagreement offensively. Heck a little heat only adds to the crucible so we can boil crap down to basics.
The point of mentioning eBank is because it is, currently, the defacto standard. I may opinion that the only reason it is a standard is simply because of better marketing, more prominence in public awareness, but it is still a standard. Furthermore, being unique enough a person to have worked at eBank and starting to work with dBank I'm uniquely positioned to help with or even offer comparisons. More so than anyone else could possibly do.
Re: More Information Release
Manalapan is a much different person than I. I can honestly tell you that he refrains, and refuses, to post in "threads that divulge into hellish trolling".
Now, is this a mistake? I don't know. I do know that I've decided, arbitrarily, to limit myself to one (1) post per day on anything regarding dBank. This self imposed limitation, I hope, will keep me focused on posts that truly matter and restrict me from getting sucked into some of those dreadful debates that a few people live for apparently. I don't and I find those debates as dreadful as the rest of you.
Re: dBank better for Shar being involved
The truth is that I am, in fact, chaotic by nature. I challenge every convention, I stress test every ideal. Nothing is sacred in my mind.
I can not be happy with what works as I only know that it worked yesterday, might work today, and tomorrow it might be total crap. I play eve in this manner, I pester my corp mates the same way, and I do everything in life from this same mindset.
So that being said, there is likely no part of dBank's operations that I'm not going to try to see and learn about. Mostly from sheer curiosity but in the process I'm going to be as frank as I usually am.
Will this bring improvements? I don't see that far into the future. I can only say that it will bring critical review to ensure that "what is" working right now is the best solution(s) heading into the future.
I'm just contrary that way and so far the staff at dBank, everyone, appreciates my endlessly curiosity about all things and my non-stop energy at finding improvements or alternatives.
But things will not change overnight even if they are scheduled (challenged) to change. (i.e. Information will be released more regularly, just need to work out how and who before it is responsible to say when.)
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Amarr Citizen 155
Alternative Methods Research Group
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Posted - 2009.03.11 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral
Manalapan is a much different person than I. I can honestly tell you that he refrains, and refuses, to post in "threads that divulge into hellish trolling".
Thanks for the detailed post as always Shar. Only really one part I want to comment on above. I think Manalapan's idea of refusing to post in "threads that divulge into hellish trolling" is an excellent idea. My issue?? Not only does he avoid posting when he should avoid posting, he also avoids posting when he should be posting. If he had posted a damn update a month ago it would have headed off the trolls. His idea of avoiding the trolls by not responding to them has been taken to far to the point he avoids posting at all. I honestly think a lot of the problems people have would be solved in an instant if he would be PROACTIVE in his posting updates. My opinion obviously but I do appreciate you updating us on things.
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Salpad
Caldari
Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2009.03.12 02:57:00 -
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Originally by: Business Ethics
I wish D-Bank would put their login page behind HTTPS I'm on an unencrypted wireless link on travel.
Can you please post this suggestion to the forum on our website? Much greater chance that management will see it that way. Thanks in advance!
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Salpad
Caldari
Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2009.03.12 03:10:00 -
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Originally by: Zeddicus Mallows
Can anyone else from DBANK other Shar Tegral confirm that Shar Tegral is DBANK's customer service and PR guy now. If this is the case why does DBANK CEO not care how he treats and talks down to it's customers?
Is getting talked down to and constant drama from DBANK better than no communicaiton at all?
As far as I'm concerned, I'm PR Manager at Dynasty Banking, until Manalapan tells me either (A) that I now have a different job description or (B) fires me.
As for Sher Tegral, I'm very glad to have him on board as a colleague, and I hope he will add much to our bank and help us solve those of our problems that are just right for his particular skillz and insights.
We are profoundly sorry for not yet having published a report for the month of January, but as Shar says, work is being done on a more elaborate report, which will be published when it is ready.
If people are reluctant to invest in us, because they want to see report, the simple solution is to invest temporarily in EBank (I don't know of any other investments that are very easy to get out of on short notice in a bank-like fashion) and then once we publish satisfactory reports (and audits), withdraw the ISK from EBank and then invest with us.
We are very grateful for EBank's willingness (and public promise) to assist us with liquid assets if we should need it, but the fact is that we do not have an ISK problem - we have a manpower problem. We have a relatively small staff, and each staff member has special skillz and abilities that makes that staff member well suited to particular tasks and poorly suited to others, and one reason I enjoy my job at DBank so much is that we're put to work doing what we each do best.
The loss of Iknota was a hard blow. He did much work at the bank. I don't want to insult Exec Order, but when I was initially hired, I assumed Manalapan and Iknota were the only two directors. Only later did I find out we had a third.
Secondly, there's a lack of programming man-hours, and thirdly tellers. Manalapan understands full well that trying to operate a bank with only a single teller is bad, and he is working on getting new ones. Why it is taking so long I don't know. There have been periods where withdrawal delays have been unacceptable, and nobody at the bank are happy about it.
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Salpad
Caldari
Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2009.03.12 03:24:00 -
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Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155
Thanks for the detailed post as always Shar. Only really one part I want to comment on above. I think Manalapan's idea of refusing to post in "threads that divulge into hellish trolling" is an excellent idea.
Yes.
Manalapan is Dynasty Banking. That is both a good thing because he is really good at making ISK, and a bad thing because if he disappears, we're in big trouble. If that happens I'll try to do what little I can to patch things up, and I hope Shar Tegral and my other colleagues will too, but really it isn't a pleasant scenario at all.
Anyway, my point is that I am replacable (although not easily), and Shar is replacable, and Exec Order and everyone else can be replaced too, but if Manalapan gets involved in nasty discussion and gets his hands dirty, he can't replace himself. So yes, he does well to stay out of troll/flame threads.
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155
My issue?? Not only does he avoid posting when he should avoid posting, he also avoids posting when he should be posting. If he had posted a damn update a month ago it would have headed off the trolls. His idea of avoiding the trolls by not responding to them has been taken to far to the point he avoids posting at all. I honestly think a lot of the problems people have would be solved in an instant if he would be PROACTIVE in his posting updates. My opinion obviously but I do appreciate you updating us on things.
I agree with this.
Also ISTR that I did succeed in getting Manalapan to make an official statement after the Xabier event. Although, granted, there have been events since then.
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Frenden Dax
Dax Acquisitions
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Posted - 2009.03.12 04:18:00 -
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Edited by: Frenden Dax on 12/03/2009 04:21:55
Originally by: Salpad
Manalapan is Dynasty Banking. That is both a good thing because he is really good at making ISK, and a bad thing because if he disappears, we're in big trouble.
If that was intended to reassure people, it probably isn't going to succeed. Most of us can remember Fury Bank's demise/failure/scam completion; that too was a one-man enterprise. Also, triple posts are Bad.
EDIT: I figured I'd moderate my tone; the above remains unaltered but I wanted to clarify a few things. While I do not accuse Dbank of attempting to scam and I do not mean to imply that Manalapan is going to vanish a la Ionia or FL, you can draw disturbing parallels between them. Namely as I already pointed out, it was one person running the show, and when they vanished, so did the isk and the show.
There need to be controls on how much isk any one person can take out at a time, and (in my opinion) making someone irreplaceable is asking for trouble somewhere down the line.
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Joss Sparq
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.12 04:26:00 -
[88]
Originally by: YouGotRipped
Who the hell are you?
Ah, okay.
I'm behind on my YouTube studies. I've only just discovered this, after all.
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Salpad
Caldari
Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2009.03.12 04:27:00 -
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Edited by: Salpad on 12/03/2009 04:30:05
Originally by: Frenden Dax
Edited by: Frenden Dax on 12/03/2009 04:21:55
Originally by: Salpad
Manalapan is Dynasty Banking. That is both a good thing because he is really good at making ISK, and a bad thing because if he disappears, we're in big trouble.
If that was intended to reassure people, it probably isn't going to succeed. Most of us can remember Fury Bank's demise/failure/scam completion; that too was a one-man enterprise. Also, triple posts are Bad.
I didn't write the above to reassure anyone. I wrote it in the interest of honesty. That is how I see Dynasty Banking, as an insider.
I really, really, really doubt Manalapan would ever commit a scam, but if he gets hit by a bus, much will be lost.
edit: Adding the content I intended to have in the post all along.
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cosmoray
Cosmoray Construction
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Posted - 2009.03.12 04:52:00 -
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Salpad, your statements are not very reassuring.
If Manalapan disappears what amount of patching up can you do? Won't the ISK be gone?
Also I thought you resigned after the Xabier-gate issue?
If you are still the propaganda minister, shouldn't you be aware that Shar has joined the bank? Why don't you know how many employees there are?
You are the Tariq Aziz of DBank!!
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Salpad
Caldari
Carebears with Attitude
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Posted - 2009.03.12 05:07:00 -
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Originally by: cosmoray
Salpad, your statements are not very reassuring.
If Manalapan disappears what amount of patching up can you do? Won't the ISK be gone?
Also I thought you resigned after the Xabier-gate issue?
If you are still the propaganda minister, shouldn't you be aware that Shar has joined the bank? Why don't you know how many employees there are?
You are the Tariq Aziz of DBank!!
I'd love to know how many colleagues I have, but the fact is, I don't.
I did find out pretty quickly that Shar Tegral had joined us, though, but we dont keep an official payroll, and new employees don't always introduce themselves at our internal forums. Also, I am reluctant to reveal my knowledge of recently hired people becuase I feel it is Manalapan's privilege to do that when he is good and ready, but then again given the rarity of his posts on here, perhaps I should change my policy in that regard...
Also, I don't believe you're thinking of Tariq Aziz. He was foreign minister of Iraq (and as far as I've been told also a Christian - not that that matters).
I think you are thinking of "comical Ali", who must never be confused with the war criminal "chemical Ali". I think the comical one was Information Minister (curious that democratic countries don't have Information Ministers - only dictatorships do), but I don't know what post the chemical dude held, although I'd guess something military.
As for patching up, if Manalapan gets hit by a bus, there is little I can do, but if it happens I'll do what I can.
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Alty MacAlterson
Alt Corporation
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Posted - 2009.03.12 05:25:00 -
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Bank in Eve fails due to WoW, directors abscond with money
Film at 11
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Kitchie
Gallente
Kitchie's Logistics and Marketing Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.12 06:21:00 -
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I'd like to expand a little on what Salpad has said (as he's now gone offline and I can't ask him to do it himself )
It is true that it is unlikely that DBANK could continue to function as a bank if Manalapan was hit by a bus, but that doesn't mean that anyone would lose any money. It just means that the bank would have to close and repay all depositors.
Also Iknota has not disappeared forever. He is still responsible for the website and although he is unable to play Eve at the moment, due to other issues, we're hoping and looking forward to him being back soon.
I hope that clarifies things a little.
Kitchie
P.S. I am only a junior employee of DBANK so please don't ask me to answer anything too deep and meaningful
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Joss Sparq
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.12 09:04:00 -
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Edited by: Joss Sparq on 12/03/2009 09:11:39
I normally try to stay out of the DBANK threads in any serious capacity, as I really only just like watching Ricdic and Shar sparring whenever possible. However, the post quoted below causes me enough concern about DBANK to post seriously why it causes me concern.
Originally by: Salpad
I'd love to know how many colleagues I have, but the fact is, I don't.
I did find out pretty quickly that Shar Tegral had joined us, though, but we dont keep an official payroll, and new employees don't always introduce themselves at our internal forums. Also, I am reluctant to reveal my knowledge of recently hired people becuase I feel it is Manalapan's privilege to do that when he is good and ready, but then again given the rarity of his posts on here, perhaps I should change my policy in that regard...
Also, I don't believe you're thinking of Tariq Aziz. He was foreign minister of Iraq (and as far as I've been told also a Christian - not that that matters).
I think you are thinking of "comical Ali", who must never be confused with the war criminal "chemical Ali". I think the comical one was Information Minister (curious that democratic countries don't have Information Ministers - only dictatorships do), but I don't know what post the chemical dude held, although I'd guess something military.
As for patching up, if Manalapan gets hit by a bus, there is little I can do, but if it happens I'll do what I can.
- By Salpad's admission DBANK employees don't readily know who other employees actually are when they are hired.
- Furthermore, there doesn't seem to be any working policy to get them talking to each other internally despite having an internal forum.
- By Salpad's admission he won't announce new employees - I think this is a little ridiculous considering his supposed role in DBANK.
- Furthermore, Salpad doesn't seem to have been given any clear mandate on what he can or should be talking about.
Also to say something specific about Salpad, a good half of your post consisted of you being led off on a tangental tale about Tariq Aziz, Iraq's foreign minister during the invasion of Kuwait in 1990 and later deputy prime minister. If I was to suggest anything about that then it is that you should probably try to stick to the subject of DBANK in DBANK threads, despite the apparent deficiencies of your position.
By the way, Muhammad Saeed al-Sahhaf (also known as Baghdad Bob) was the information minister of Iraq during the 2003 campaign against the Ba'athist regime there and was most likely to whom Cosmoray was trying to compare you against.
I'm not going to try and delve into having all the eggs in one basket strategy of management (also known as Manalapan) DBANK seems to have as I'm sure people have already raised this matter many times before. All I will say is that it seems more like investing into a single individual and not an organisation with checks and balances as one being called a bank usually implies. I do wonder how many of Manalapan's clients truly understand that when handing over their ISK.
Finally I'd like to clear up what I think is something of a misconception, Salpad:
Originally by: Salpad
(curious that democratic countries don't have Information Ministers - only dictatorships do)
You may find this list to be informative reading.
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Mr Horizontal
Gallente
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.12 12:13:00 -
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I'd dispute that EBANK has had a lot of luck as Shar insinuates. It's been boiled hard in the cauldron and has a very thick skin. Has it made mistakes? Of course. Has it taken risks? Yes. And huge ones, considering 90% of EBANK's NAV was lent out at one point. Has it had a lot of luck? Not really, it's more perseverance and mitigation planning that has 'created' this perception of 'luck'...
One aspect people continuously worry about banks is that if/when they will scam like EIB. Well, what is true is that the banks themselves are far more likely to be the victims. Dynasty has had the Xabier incident. EBANK has registered more defaults against it than any other lending entity! Yet it survives strongly, because it has developed a framework that mitigates against such incidents - and such a string of defaults can only actually be seen as bad luck...
As such I wouldn't say there has been any particular 'luck' - it's just been managed properly.
Now to shift the focus somewhat since this is after all a discussion about Dynasty, is the biggest problem about Dynasty is that it thinks EBANK is its biggest problem. It isn't, it's themselves. They think EBANK is a competitor - it is and it isn't (when has EBANK ever claimed any threat or talked against Dynasty?) yet they are both banks, and they are only competitors because they operate in the same sector.
It may come as a surprise, that while Dynasty is a bank, what EBANK regards as it's closest competitor and threat is not Dynasty at all - it's BSAC. BSAC actually operates on a much closer parallel to EBANK yet the way it borrows its ISK from the public is different. Dynasty may be an interesting commercial bank offering innovative high-yield banking products, but I fear the scalability of the bank is so much shorter in vision than both EBANK and BSAC. Did you know that when Dynasty holds 500b, it will be paying out more in net liability (ie gross interest) than EBANK does on 4 times the amount of NAV?
What EBANK actually wants is a mature banking sector, preferably a tri- or quadrilateral banking sector rather than the bilateral one we have now, as while 2.5T combined NAV controlled by this sector is impressive, it's barely a drop in the Eve economic ocean. At EBANK I'm concerned now with how to look after 10-20T. How can I foresee we manage it? With many banks and massive public entities like BSAC facilitating a hugely liquid secondary market founded on an incredibly solid foundation.
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.03.12 12:29:00 -
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Mr. H is right. EBANK wants the Banking sector to grow...it is interesting (and accurate) that we view BSAC as our biggest competition. EBANK has taken risks, and some would say we still take risks. I'm currently in a bit of an argument on EBANK forums about our most recent vote because of risk factors around the voting outcome in fact.
A strong institution is led by strong management, EBANK has been lucky to have a strong team behind it from day 1. Beyond that initial luck, I'd argue we've done well because of the people working on the project and not any random lightening strike.
My concern with DBANK is that it has relatively capped the growth of it's management team. In fairness they took a rather bruising hit from Xabier and I can absolutely understand how this would hurt but just as risky is the risk of the Bank floundering from a management team that tries to do too much with too little. Compounding this is their continued belief that they need to offer the interest rates that they do.
I am not slamming DBANK and I will not slam them. I like Shar (we still talk on IMs) and I think he's a good influence on DBANK. I also think that they do want to improve and grow and I hope that they do.
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Posted - 2009.03.14 15:37:00 -
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Friendly reminder to people who like customer service that you won't get it from DBANK. Take a look at the first page of this thread if you don't understand.
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Emywn Vanya
Caldari
Redemption or Retribution
The Second Genesis
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Posted - 2009.03.14 15:47:00 -
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Friendly reminder to people who like customer service that you won't get it from DBANK. Take a look at the first page of this thread if you don't understand.
If you want more, or have questions don't hesitate to ask, but I have put isk into DBANK, and suggest you do the same.
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Posted - 2009.03.14 16:13:00 -
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I've used DBANK and theyre fast and secure.
IMHO we customers don't need to know about how they work, benefits, whatever. Who cares? Just ask for their services (if you agree the terms) and thats it. I totally recommend this bank.
However, I find that trading is way more profitable. So unless you are gonna stay inactive or almost inactive for a while, I call you to thing about it. Is it really worth??? Probably its not. Trade some days and you will earn twice you would with DBANK/EBANK/Whatever for 1month.
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YouGotRipped
Ewigkeit
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Posted - 2009.03.14 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: Ms Delerium
I've used DBANK and theyre fast and secure.
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Posted - 2009.03.14 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: Ms Delerium
I've used DBANK and theyre fast and secure.
IMHO we customers don't need to know about how they work, benefits, whatever. Who cares? Just ask for their services (if you agree the terms) and thats it. I totally recommend this bank.
Bernard Madoff.
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Manalapan
Dynasty Banking
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Posted - 2009.03.15 07:03:00 -
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Edited by: Manalapan on 15/03/2009 07:03:57
Alright, I will provide a brief update here. Our withdrawal system is in full swing...finally...two more tellers have started processing withdrawals and I expect the other two tellers to start up shortly. Also, Iknota has come back doing development (not much playing EVE) so all those developments that were talked about in the December Report will get completed and launched. More details in our report coming out next week.
EDIT: Spelling Fail
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Manalapan
Dynasty Banking
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Posted - 2009.03.20 17:44:00 -
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This did not really warrant a new thread, but please will everyone stop sending poor Clotho their deposits.
Only send ISK to Iknota or Manalapan.
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