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Vex Cachet
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.03.07 04:15:00 -
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All you testers on Sisi, how do you think CCP is doing on their 3/10 launch plans? Do you believe the systems are sufficiently stable and working for a successful launch? I'm expecting the usual first day of bugs and emergency patches, but I'm curious what the consensus is on where things stand.
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. Vex & Kesha Cachet
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Men do not stop playing because they grow old,
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Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.07 04:18:00 -
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Login and see it yourself, yes?
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Phrixus Zephyr
Prospero Incorperated
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Posted - 2009.03.07 04:21:00 -
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Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 07/03/2009 04:22:00
I don't think they left enough time to balance all the different T3 subsystem combinations and probing needs its values tweaking a little. I think sleepers need more testing too.
I think they should push launch back a little but they wont, they're a business and they have a deadline. Fully expecting the T3 passive shield tanks to be overpowered and alot of the minnie and gal bonuses to be largely redundent, which would match up with balancing issues as they currently stand ingame.
This isn't a slight at what they've done. The changes from the first sisi patch to now have been consise, bugs and breaks have been handled by the next patch 90% of the time, i just think they should use more time to balance everything.
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Rhohan
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.03.07 04:23:00 -
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Edited by: Rhohan on 07/03/2009 04:24:37
Ask 20 people, you will get 20 different answers.
All you can do is test what is important to you and see for yourself.
The more people testing and filing bugs, the better the release will be.
They have a hard date for release, so it will ship on time.
This was stated during the Alliance Tourny.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.07 04:29:00 -
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Part 1.) Bugs:
There are pretty much no show stopping bugs at the moment. At least none that I am getting. I can't comment on what others may have, but there likely are very few left. Some graphic things can be cleaned up and fixed, and a few other quirks, but that's about all.
Part 2.) Balance:
Obviously this will get you a ton of different answers. And the answer is simply this...Balance does not stop on patch day. Are the ships worth enough to be bought though? I'd probably say yes. But again.
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Sevarus James
Minmatar
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2009.03.07 04:45:00 -
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Short and simple answer: yes.
Remember, if an ONLINE MMO game passes a start up smoke test on the supported (read: listed) hardware on the box, it can be shipped. They can update stuff right up until the release and then even after, as long as the game gets to a log in screen. Then come the updates.
Right now, other than some glitches being reported here, the game could definitely go to 'press' as it were. It starts. In fact, it probably is already this way. One of the sisi builds in the last few weeks is most likely what is being used, as the manufacturing process isn't instantaneous and very much like the publishing industry, there is lead time required so that boxes can be on shelves on a specified day.
Remember, the client can't start until it matches what is on Tranquility, so the disc that goes to manufacturing is guaranteed not to be the current build we're seeing right now, but can start up and get to the main login screen where the new user will first be prompted to update the system to current.
(boxes on shelves, remember?) 
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Vex Cachet
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.03.07 05:02:00 -
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I've been too busy at work to play much recently and certainly haven't had time to create a new character on Sisi and develop it into anything that could test advanced systems. This weekend I will however put some testing into the new player experience and see how that looks and do some bug reporting. Mostly, though, I was curious about the larger systems, scanning, w-space mechanics, T3 ships, etc., and how the testers feel about the state of things.
I know how MMO ship discs work and expect a lot of patching on launch day, and with a scrum development methodology it seems they will be agile enough to turn things around quicly as the inevitable mass-scale problems surface. I'm fairly impressed with what these guys can do, so I have some confidence in their ability to get things right. It's a very impressive game world.
I'm pretty encouraged by these comments. Although there's always more time that could be spent on testing and balancing, it sounds like you guys feel pretty good about how things are working at the moment. I am JAZZED about this release.
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. She's the Brains - I am pure DPS.
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Men do not stop playing because they grow old,
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Gatecamp HEDGP
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Posted - 2009.03.07 05:08:00 -
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I'm just happy to have premium now 
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NeoShocker
Caldari
Free Collective
Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2009.03.07 05:18:00 -
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Edited by: NeoShocker on 07/03/2009 05:21:32
IMO, I think it needs additional month just to be safe. 40k HP tengu according to someone in my corp, effective HP of almost 1m. :s T3 ships needs alot of testing
Still checking out wormholes and tengu setups.
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Gatecamp HEDGP
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Posted - 2009.03.07 05:22:00 -
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40k hp tengu, effective DPS: none
It's ready 
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Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2009.03.07 05:39:00 -
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tldr
yes as long as they dont break anything else all features are in and in working condition, we're currently refining the bugs out parts at a time we just dont need to smaash anything to death like scanning was for the last few days.
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rValdez5987
Amarr
PROGENITOR CORPORATION
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Posted - 2009.03.07 06:47:00 -
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Originally by: Vex Cachet
All you testers on Sisi, how do you think CCP is doing on their 3/10 launch plans? Do you believe the systems are sufficiently stable and working for a successful launch? I'm expecting the usual first day of bugs and emergency patches, but I'm curious what the consensus is on where things stand.
The last time i loaded up sisi and had a go earlier today, it felt like it was a mere day, and a couple of bug fixing patches away from a stable release candidate for TQ.
Although I feel that the t3 tanks on some ships are way outta wack, the reason for that usually anyways is the fact that they have no weapons, and no tackle. Pure tank, which makes them essentially only an expensive bait ship.
Overall im happy with the latest release, and I would project that things will be fine.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.03.07 07:33:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Fox
tldr
yes as long as they dont break anything else all features are in and in working condition, we're currently refining the bugs out parts at a time we just dont need to smaash anything to death like scanning was for the last few days.
well... shadows are in bad state but... I'm just a graphics *****.
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2009.03.07 07:40:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Nova Fox
tldr
yes as long as they dont break anything else all features are in and in working condition, we're currently refining the bugs out parts at a time we just dont need to smaash anything to death like scanning was for the last few days.
well... shadows are in bad state but... I'm just a graphics *****.
Indeed you are.
I'm just happy the CTD with premium enabled after 5 jumps is gone for me.
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Miss Moonwych
Formedian Shadows
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Posted - 2009.03.07 07:46:00 -
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I think overall the latest build is stable and could go live. It will have the feel it is not very buggy.
I've been focusing on the scanning system and wormholes and the problem is that they changed a lot in the last few days. I believe there has been little very time to balance it (as in: hard sites vs. easy sites, exploration vs. pvp etc).
Currently on my list of bugs that are most important: (1) a ultra deep safe spot bug that has to be addressed unless they want ppl to create 1000++ AU safespots (2) virtue implants (2B isk) seem to have the opposite effect which would make some ppl insanely mad if it would go live and (3) while this still has to be investigated (time is the problem here) it appears that the hardest sites are/might not be scannable.
But to be honest: CCP have done a great job the last couple of weeks  .
Regards,
M.M.
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Ashina Sito
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2009.03.07 08:17:00 -
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Lack of TTT. Time To Test.
Scanning has been completely borked over the last 2 weeks. I have tried to test it but when you can't launch probes, can't control them, can't open the map, can't open the scanner, client crashes when you use a probe or any of the other issues that plagued scanning up until 2 days ago it was tough to do. Testing to see if the system can simply function does not help in seeing if the system actually works.
I did manage to scan down a WH in K-space (Mattere) on Thursday (Helios/sister's probe launcher 3 of 5 probe hardwireings and the 3 lowest virtue implants). That got a little testing in. Did not have the time to do anything other then a PvE anom test with an Ishkur and scan a gas cloud (scanner said grav site but should be Ladar) using an Arazu with the implants listed above. Did not have time to JC and rescan sites W/O implants.... looks like that might have actually helped.
You can't properly test a system when the system is unusable. I don't think 4 days will be enough time to effectively test the scanning aspect of the expansion. If this expansion did not have a box attached to it it would be pushed back. My opinion of course. It can go forward as it stands. The game does function. We can only hope that CCP will act quickly to fix currently unknown bugs (do to lack of testing) and pray that there is not any major exploits waiting in the wings.
PS At least you can train skills on the current build. 
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Netacq
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Posted - 2009.03.07 08:33:00 -
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Some parts are ready for delivery.
Other parts not...
Ready:
- new client (graphics); new patch system
- skill queue; respec
- W-Space
- epic mission
- fitting windows; saveing/restore
Not ready:
- W-Space-Balancing ("nothing" is tested, because of missing feature description: everything can be a bug or a feature)
* Sleeper-AI;
* W-Space ressource distribution (hard/easy-W-Space)
* probability to change between systems and/or type of systems
- Scanning/Usability of scanning/Balancing (whats a feature; whats a bug)
- T3 ships (balancing; subsystems features)
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...shut up - the bugs are the feature...
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Netacq
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Posted - 2009.03.07 08:42:00 -
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Maybe a interesting problem for the ATARI Box in Germany:
Scenario:
- I buy a game
- I'm not able to play, because I need a 1.3GByte Patch initially
I sure, this is a reason for "Money back".
Moreover: I hope the package contains the correct hardware requirements for the NEW version.
And "Money back" is for Online Games a problem: it will cause a very high effort for the distribution chain...
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2009.03.07 08:48:00 -
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shadows are **** :P
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ollobrains2
Gallente
New Eve Order Holdings
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Posted - 2009.03.07 09:48:00 -
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what will happen is it will go live first week will be spent squashing bugs that affect gameplay
2nd-4th weeks will involve ccp watching forum discussions and database feeds and making serious rebalancing of everything as they need to expect twice weekly balance patches
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5pinDizzy
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Posted - 2009.03.07 09:50:00 -
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It's hardly perfect but it'd be fine on Tranquility in my opinion as of about the last build or two.
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Holy Lowlander
Lone Star Joint Venture
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.03.07 11:16:00 -
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I think they will launch the 10th.
but its not finished. t3 needs some *mayor* balancing work , it actually needs alot of work in general. Not enough different options etc.
it'll be interesting what the market will do tough.
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD
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Posted - 2009.03.07 11:34:00 -
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they'll just launch it no matter what. as long as functionality is not impaired by some major f up, even the most obvious imbalance will stay for ~3 years.
"it doesnt have to be good, it just has to look good" mmkay
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AncientGuardian
Gallente
Intaki Liberation Front
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Posted - 2009.03.07 14:43:00 -
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Honestly, I don't think so. another week would do.
In my opinon, if they are still doing patches up to the last day, its not done. to truely be tested, the last patch needs to be tested without change for a few days to ensure that the bugs are sqeezed out. IF thats good, then the patching system needs to be checked and quad checked, we don't want another boot.ini issue again...
but thats IMO, for the most part, if there was no way to spare another week, than its fine, we'll just deal with another nasty day long patch in a week anyway.
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Jung Hi
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Posted - 2009.03.07 15:05:00 -
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Edited by: Jung Hi on 07/03/2009 15:17:52
It'll be released then no matter if people think it is ready or not - it's been advertised so widely Apoc is coming March 10th (including on this site if you look at the homepage etc.) they'd get a lot of *****ing if it didn't happen on the 10th now.
However personally I think they've got just about everything sorted now. The usual bug squashing/balancing patches will happen soon after, but I certainly can't see any major problems with the way things are now.
The scanning system seems to work now - it's amazing how much this has been revamped over the last few weeks, i've had the chance to test most of the Apoc patches and the current system is a massive improvement over what it was a few weeks ago.
The skill queue system seems to be working fine now too, T3 ships... i'm still undecided on these - they released them (well, 3 of the sub-systems anyhow), nerfed them, rebalanced them (so they weren't so badly nerfed) and I'm still not sure. Some of them look pretty nice - but if they actually have any useful roll to play for me is another question - I guess i'll wait and see how much they cost in a few months
IMO, CCP have done an excellent job in the last few weeks - keep it up! - All in all, the current Apoc client seems to actually work very well - I've also noticed some dramatic performance increases in certain areas over the current Premium client - and love the new textures, effects etc.
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Vex Cachet
Minmatar
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Posted - 2009.03.07 16:50:00 -
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An earlier poster said that 20 different people would have 20 different opinions, and there are some differences but it seems that there is a consensus that the product will survive launch day. Anyone signing up for an MMO in this day and age has probably played one before and is familiar with the usual launch day / patch day cycle of emergency patches and bug fixes leading up to stabilization, and CCP seems to be good at rapid stabilization turn around. This bodes well for a fun release.
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. Vex & Kesha Cachet
. She's the Brains - I am pure DPS.
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Men do not stop playing because they grow old,
they grow old because they stop playing - Oliver Wendell Holmes |
Lilith Velkor
Minmatar
DEATH'S LEGION
Red Box.
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Posted - 2009.03.07 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Netacq
Maybe a interesting problem for the ATARI Box in Germany:
Scenario:
- I buy a game
- I'm not able to play, because I need a 1.3GByte Patch initially
I sure, this is a reason for "Money back".
Not a problem, it'll say on the box you need internet connection to play (most likely even say you need DSL or something fast).
No store (in germany) has to take the box back because you dont want to download a patch, in reality quite a few might do it nonetheless but thats their problem and not CCPs.
These will most likely put the box back together, tape it closed and sell to the next customer ;)
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