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Childstar
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Posted - 2009.03.16 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Electric Universe
I know what your talking about. But how many of the PVP'ers today use Omni tank?. mostly everyone. So the omni tank thing is as much valid as the other things as EHP and DPS.
The onmi tank only really applies to BS as snipers along with a lot of hacs, recons and even BC ect use other systems that give other resistances.
PS: You have a very distinctive posting style and as such the paragraph at the bottom of post 548 made me chuckle.....![Wink](/images/icon_wink.gif)
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Childstar
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Posted - 2009.03.17 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Electric Universe
Heh, yeah you can use MWD on an Abaddon, but thaaaaaaaaat's so gonna OM NOM NOM NOM you cap . And you didn't know that ?.
That's kinda funny actually.
What is funny is a player saying that a ship fitted with a mwd that hardly needs to use it cos of its available range is gonna burn cap when blaster ships need to almost constantly burn their mwd just to get near to their optimal.
PS: you are NMX its too obvious....and post 458 at the bottom made me laugh...
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Childstar
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Posted - 2009.03.17 18:12:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 17/03/2009 18:15:31
Originally by: Electric Universe
Also, just to let you guys stop speculating about me. Yes i'm a friend to NightmareX, and this is also my Main character.
And also to let you know another thing about NightmareX. He have 10-11 days left of his forum ban. And because his alt is on the same account as NightmareX. Then he can't post with his alt either. It's simple as that. Fatality Killer is his alt.
sophisticatedlimabean also got a 2 week ban from the forum, but he have maralt he can post on.
Happy now?.
You post exactly the same way, you structure your sentences exactly the same way (one line at a time instead of paragraphs), you link to other pages exactly the same way, you make the exact same grammar and spelling mistakes.
You are obviously his alt on another account and i do not know how old you are but if you think you are kidding anybody you really need to grow up and smell the roses.
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Childstar
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Posted - 2009.03.17 18:29:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 17/03/2009 18:29:58
Originally by: Electric Universe
NightmareX only have 1 account.
So what, because i'm a friend of him and have almost the same posting style as him doesn't mean i'm his alt, at all.
Its so obvious its laughable, as i say you even make the exact same spelling/grammar mistakes in the exact same way in your posting.
But what ever its your reputation and integrity that is on the line as well as the fact that ppl do not like being lied to, if you feel you still need to lie about it thats your problem but remember most people on here know the truth and can see it as plain as day and the more you deny it the worse you look.
I suggest you man up and admit it as denying it is doing you no favors.
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Childstar
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Posted - 2009.03.17 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Fistme
Originally by: Electric Universe
NightmareX only have 1 account.
So what, because i'm a friend of him and have almost the same posting style as him doesn't mean i'm his alt, at all.
This is just getting way ridicoulus. Because you accuse me of being NightmareX, when i'm not, i'm gonna start to report peoples here that accuse me for being someone that isn't me.
Comedy Gold
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Childstar
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Posted - 2009.03.17 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Trader20 This thread is getting a little off topic so....if you were to buff blasters would you A. Increase range (either optimal or falloff) B. Increase Damage (or add/change damage type) C. Decrease cap usage (to leave more cap for the mwd) D. Increase tracking E. Other
Please pick an option and how this would help Blasters without being op. If you don't think blasters should be buffed then plz state why. TY for ur participation.
B.
Originally by: Electric Universe Yeah, say whatever you want, but it's not going to change me into being NightmareX only because of my writing style.
How stupid does some peoples get here?.
Not stupid enough to believe you.
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Childstar
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Posted - 2009.03.17 19:31:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 17/03/2009 19:32:51
Originally by: Electric Universe Edited by: Electric Universe on 17/03/2009 19:17:01
Originally by: Lord Eremet
Originally by: Electric Universe This is just getting way ridicoulus. Because you accuse me of being NightmareX, when i'm not, i'm gonna start to report peoples here that accuse me for being someone that isn't me.
![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) Like you and bean did nothing but report/flame each other all the time in the previous pages.
Give it a rest dude you fooling no one.
I'm dropping this now, but please continue.
Anyone is allowed to report someone when they are accusing peoples for being something they don't are.
Oh noes, only because NightmareX and bean was reporting each others, does that mean i'm one of them only because i want to report someone for lying about who i'am?.
Seeing as you are asking..........i say that in my opinion its totally obvious you are nightmareX, and you are the only person who believes you are kidding anybody.
And it is not us who are lying about who you are(irony much) , we are just giving our opinions about something totally obvious.
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Childstar
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Posted - 2009.03.17 19:40:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 17/03/2009 19:40:39
Originally by: Electric Universe
Do you want to get reported by doing this?.
I'm serious about this, if you really want to get reported to just see that i don't have ANYTHING to do with NightmareX, then eat the forum warning.
If you do not want ppl to answer a question do not ask a question.
Originally by: Electric Universe Oh noes, only because NightmareX and bean was reporting each others, does that mean i'm one of them only because i want to report someone for lying about who i'am?.
I honestly doubt the moderators are going to warn or ban anybody for answering a question you yourself asked.
Also everybody is entitled to a opinion.
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Childstar
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Posted - 2009.03.17 19:52:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 17/03/2009 19:54:33
Originally by: Electric Universe
Asking a question and accusing someone is 2 different things bud.
You asked this question
Originally by: Electric Universe does that mean i'm one of them only because i want to report someone for lying about who i'am?.
Our answer is yes we all think it is totally obvious you are nightmareX.
Now if you want others to answer you ask again, or you can move on and get back on topic its up to you but you cannot change my or others opinions with threats.
Any way im done with this as in my opinion two ppl have been banned for arguing off topic.
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Childstar
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Posted - 2009.03.17 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Electric Universe
But why do they think that they need boost?.
You were the one with the idea for the null buff...
Originally by: Electric Universe Oh noes, it's the end of the world, they have to use their brains a bit.
Skills can be learned, piloting can be taught and brains can be used by anybody but that is no reason for blaster battleships to stay so poor at gang fighting.
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Childstar
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Posted - 2009.03.17 20:54:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 17/03/2009 20:55:35
Originally by: Electric Universe
Yeah, Null is not Blasters dude.
The Null ammo and the Blasters is 2 different things.
Didn't you know that?. If not, ok then you learned something new today .
Hahah, is the thing that Blasters is poor a new meme you guys have found up or?.
I can now see why you got banned and why people dislike you so much.
For those who are interested:-
How blasters are buffed either by a adjustment to ammo or their base statistics can be easily worked out after it is figured out by how much.
And as i said, does anybody else think that the race with the best available range tank for short range weapons also has the best available EHP for the fit..40% or so more than the megathron?.
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Childstar
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Posted - 2009.03.17 21:17:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 17/03/2009 21:19:48
Originally by: Electric Universe
And after what i know about NightmareX, he simply don't care what some guys in the internet thinks about him. He doesn't care and does what suits him best.
Yea yea envied by men loved by women, a former steet fighting god and member of a elite special forces unit at the age of 7, who just happens to play internet space ships....i have heard it all before.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: Electric Universe The 37% more EHP an Abaddon have because of the resist bonus is counted up by the high resist a Megathron have to EM and Thermal and to the 30+% more DPS a Blaster Mega or a Blaster Hyperion does over an Abaddon at 5 km.
So if having 30% less dps at 4.5km justifies having 37%-40% more ehp what justifies the 1000% more optimal 900% of it doing more damage than blasters and in some parts of that 900% 700+ dps more?.
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Childstar
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Posted - 2009.03.17 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Electric Universe
Originally by: Childstar
So if having 30% less dps at 4.5km justifies having 37%-40% more ehp what justifies the 1000% more optimal 900% of it doing more damage than blasters and in some parts of that 900% 700+ dps more?.
The optimal thing about Blasters and lasers have been discussed enough.
Blasters is not a med range weapon. And that does mean Lasers will do way more DPS than Blasters are doing at med range.
Blasters are still close range weapon though. Blasters will never be med range weapon. If you want to use med ranged weapons, then use Lasers.
If you want to pwn (do most DPS) in close range with BS'es, then use Blaster BS'es.
So in other words you do not have any justification at all apart from mumbling about "roles"?.
I do not think that med range is 15km and below i think that under 15km is close range.
I also think that saying blasters should suck in the mid range because they are close range weapons is ok depending on the definition of "mid" (+15-20km is where i think "mid" range starts).
But then when lasers are called "mid range" weapons and do over 900 raw dps in close range i think is total hippocracy cos if blasters should suck in "mid" range then laser should suck in "close" range.
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Childstar
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Posted - 2009.03.17 22:21:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 17/03/2009 22:25:00
Originally by: Electric Universe
Yeah, it's it quite funny that i have never taken an ECM Tempest into a 1 vs 1 comparsion to a Mega or other ships here?. Doesn't it rings a bell here?.
It clearly shows i'm not NightmareX.
It's just NightmareX that talks about that because he is more lucky with the ECM on his Tempest and then find it usefull in small scale PVP.
Ok you need to understand.
You post the same spelling mistakes EXACTLY the same way.
You post in sentences EXACTLY the same way.
You have the EXACT same arguments.
You post them EXACTLY the same way.
You argue the EXACT same way.
You are a member of a corp that has never got a single kill or loss.
You have never done any pvp or got a single kill or loss.
You never posted on this topic before nightmareX got banned.
So you are either nightmareX and lying or you are a clone that has had knowledge of his identity wiped but his personality kept intact. And all of us think its the former of those choices.
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Childstar
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Posted - 2009.03.17 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Electric Universe
So what?, i'm still not NightmareX whatever you say.
NightmareX lives in +lesund in Norway, while i live in Oslo. He can't just live in Oslo when he lives in +lesund.
Here, take a look here: LINK. Then go to Home & Contact and see his adress and that he lives in +lesund or just outside of the actually +lesund city. Yes this is NightmareX's web page.
Oh that reminds me you also link stuff the EXACT same way.
And started posting on here right after he got banned.
And mainly a poster as aggressive as him would not sit by and watch us call you him and not get a buddy or message on here some how.
Plus who says you live in oslo, you who we think is a lying in the first place, you could even be using a buddies account to post while you banned for all we know...
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![Childstar Childstar](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1316863385/portrait?size=64)
Childstar
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Posted - 2009.03.17 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Electric Universe
Originally by: Childstar
Originally by: Electric Universe
So what?, i'm still not NightmareX whatever you say.
NightmareX lives in +lesund in Norway, while i live in Oslo. He can't just live in Oslo when he lives in +lesund.
Here, take a look here: LINK. Then go to Home & Contact and see his adress and that he lives in +lesund or just outside of the actually +lesund city. Yes this is NightmareX's web page.
Oh that reminds me you also link stuff the EXACT same way.
And started posting on here right after he got banned.
And mainly a poster as aggressive as him would not sit by and watch us call you him and not get a buddy or message on here some how.
Plus who says you live in oslo, you who we think is a lying in the first place, you could even be using a buddies account to post while you banned for all we know...
Any more poor excuses?.
Only good ones that none of us need anyway, certainly nothing as weak as "but im not him honest i live in oslo"...
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Childstar
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Posted - 2009.03.18 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Electric Universe For me it looks like there are many here that are very very bitter because CCP nerfed your ultimate pwnage machine (aka Megathron) a little some time ago.
A Megathron needed that little nerf. Because it was just way to powerfull earlier.
This post just shows how clueless you actually are. Just a hint for you, the Mega has been far from 'overpowered' for years, a fact that my good friend Dalman could attest too. As he has started many a thread in the past regarding that fact, with very detailed and informative facts. The last time the Mega was powerful, was pre the damage module stacking nerf, a time when the Geddon ruled with lasers. Fun times.
The QR patch finished off a long and slow decline of the blaster boat, a decline that gave us a smudging of the definition and differences of weapon systems.
All or most of your PvP experience has taken place on sisi and you've not used blasters on TQ for PvP. Whether posting with you main or this char, if people show you arguments that fit the topic, but don't fit yours, you get personal and call them either ******ed, dumb or stupid. No wonder you had your main banned.
Id like to disagree with mags on some of his points.......unfortunatly they are all totally accurate so i cannot.
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Childstar
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Posted - 2009.03.18 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: Koloch
Man I'm getting tired of people saying this. I spend a lot of spare time looking at other corporation's killboards. Players still use blasterships and if anything there are usually in higher use. This over exageration is really getting tiresome.
Even with perfect gunnery and ship tertiary skills it takes a while to train up T2 pulse plus amaar BS 5 ect. I have only just finished it myself although i did beams while i was at it as well.
Do not confuse the fact that ppl HAVE to fly blaster BS in gangs because they do not have anything else trained, with blaster BS being a good gang ship.
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Childstar
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Posted - 2009.03.18 20:50:00 -
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Originally by: Takeshi Yamato
Quote: I find that sentence quite funny. Even Bellum Eternus thinks blasters require big boost at their DPS.
Blaster damage boost at all levels? Frigate blasters are more than fine.
Its blaster BS that have the problem, the smaller classes at least have a reasonable amount of available targets if they are flown correctly.
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Childstar
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Posted - 2009.03.18 20:58:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 18/03/2009 21:03:39
Hi nightmare...![Very Happy](/images/icon_biggrin.gif)
Originally by: Electric Universe
maralt, Mag's and Childstar, no matter what kind of idiotic crying / whining or trolling your doing.
Oh the irony...![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: Electric Universe I have given like 1000 reasons and have given good examples on why Blasters does NOT need a boost now. And also why such boost to Blasters would make WAAAAAAAY more problems that it fixes.
You have given 1 crappy reason that has no real advantage in gang combat.
Originally by: Electric Universe I think we all can agree that it's much much better to just change one ammo type instead of changing one whole weapon type that can mess up lots of things.
Guns are useless without ammo, ammo is useless without guns and both are useless without a ship.
How the fix is done is not important (to anybody but you it seems) as long as it is done correctly.
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Childstar
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Posted - 2009.03.18 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Electric Universe
3rd thing. I have given many many reasons here, but you all just ignore it because your in another dream world and don't use the Megathron or Blasters like they are meant to be used.
You say that a lot but you never give a explanation.
Originally by: Electric Universe So, the reasons i gave about resists, Laser damage (EM & Thermal) is the crappiest damages to do on armor, the one RR you can have on a Megathron that helps alot in a gang fight, the DPS advantage Blasters have over lasers at 5 km etc etc.
So 2 reasons then not 1000 (30% more dmg at 4.5km and RR) unless you consider that the hyperion and geddon are available then you are down to 1 reason...
Only 9998/9 reasons to go and you will be at your 1000...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: Electric Universe This doesn't belong into a gang combat ?. Don't tell me you don't take this into a gang combat.
Some of the things on here do come up in gang combat now you mention it.
Mostly that you do not normally primary the abaddon cos it has the highest EHP and is normally one of the ships farthest away and as such needs approaching by ships with less range....![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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Childstar
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Posted - 2009.03.18 22:47:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 18/03/2009 22:55:33
Originally by: Koloch
Nope I'm not going to fall for that troll. No matter how you spin it your comment that no one is flying blaster ships is bull****. I don't need to post my killmails and beat my chest. Look at any solid pvp corporations killboards and you will see a lot of blaster boats being used. You will see a lot of gallente ships period.
While i think the comment was either poorly chosen or poorly phrased it does not change the fact that the reason that those blaster Battle ships are being flown is because the pilots using them cannot fly anything else.....yet.
And it is also undenyable that blaster BS have not moved with the times and been left in limbo as far as effectivness is concerned for the only real pvp available for BS now...gang combat. And as such blaster BS are being flown less as more people migrate to other classes of ships or even train other races.
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Childstar
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Posted - 2009.03.18 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: Electric Universe
To you first thing. That's a lie.
Its not a lie as i know a hell of a lot of gallente pilots who are now either flying a differant class of ship in other kinds of pvp and only fly blaster BS in gangs reluctantly.
I also know that a lot of those pilots are cross training to fly amarr, but i know nobody who flies amarr that is cross training to fly gallente or any other race for that matter apart from maybe a falcon.
Originally by: Electric Universe To you 2nd thing. You talk about guns that haven't moved with the times and have been left in limbo. I think we should look at Autocannons here then.
Thats easy, you just stop trolling this thread and select "new topic" from the ships and modules page.
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Childstar
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Posted - 2009.03.18 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: Koloch
Maybe in some cases, but how can you say *ALL of them can't fly anything else? I think that's a pretty big assumption.
Why don't they fly something below Battleship level. We can certainly assume that if they have the skills to fly a Battleship they can fly a cruiser and more than likely for that matter the t2 variations. Many blaster pilots in this thread have stated blasters below BS are well balanced. Why don't these blaster pilots then fly these ships that apparently perform a lot better instead of bs blasters?
Some do, i know i flew the ishtar amoung other ships while i was finishing my amarr training, but the smaller classes of gallente ships are not any use in BS gangs.
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Childstar
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Posted - 2009.03.18 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: Electric Universe
Do you know why they are training other races?, maybe because they need something new to train when they have maxed the skills on one race.
Some have high SP and maybe a very few have completed training gallente but a lot more do not have maxed skills and are switching as training gallente BS is just not worth it.
Originally by: Electric Universe I will never train for anything that have with Amarr to do. I don't want ANYTHING to do with something that have with FOTM to do. Even when i have maxed the 3 other races up to Marauders.
If you had any idea about any of the marauders you would not bother training for them.
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Childstar
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Posted - 2009.03.19 12:02:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 19/03/2009 12:30:04
Originally by: Valadeya uthanaras I my opinion , goes toward the blaster style of combat.
Considering they are the ships that need to spend all their time either getting well inside and or being well inside point and web range to even get close to their optimal ranges, blaster BS are severely lacking in one way or another as far as speed, dmg/range ratio and tank is concerned. Here is how i see how it was and now is..
(Insert swirly memory thingy) Before the web and other changes battle ships had their short comings somewhat mitigated by the fact that they could web ships of the same class easily enough but also stand a chance against smaller ships to such a extent that they could hit and drive them off or maybe even kill them if the BS pilots flew/used their ships correctly and well.
Now this applied to most BS and especially blaster BS as their optimal operational range is well inside web range and as such they relied on making ships like BC and other BS stay in their tiny optimal, and even smaller ships inside that range slow enough to hit now and again and even standing a small chance of holding those long enough to kill them.
Blaster BS were still considered poor by comparision to lasers ect in gang combat due to a distinct lack of range amoung other things but at the very least a role could be found for them as reasonably effective solo and 2-3 ship gangs as they had a adequatly sized target selection and a reasonable chance to tackle those targets long enough to kill them if they flew well and worked as a team. Then eve changed.
(more swirly stuffs)
Now this is not a assignment of blame or a point of a finger just a statment of the facts.
Eve changed and it was decided that each class/size of ship/system should only be fully effective against a simular class/size and less effective but have the possability of hitting the class/size immediatly below. Many ways were discussed on how to achieve this goal including tracking reduction to drones and gunnery systems along with a reduction in the effect of webs and a adjustment to ship speed and inertia/accelleration all to coincide with the removal of nano.
Eventually the idea and the adjustments it needed to work were implemented and the next era in eve combat was born as ppl tested various setups and adjusted their ship choices, styles and fittings to suit the new mechanics.
Now for battleships that were already highly effective in gang combat like laser BS the game changed for the better because with the removal of nano (that came along just after they recieved a rather nice tracking increase) close range gang combat in BS was on the rise as a regular and very available form of pvp and they were head and shoulders above the other races at it.
For blaster BS however it was a differant story as they were still as poor at gang combat as before due to lacking range, needing to mwd a lot to do any real damage against multiple targets and having poor EHP considering they work almost exclusivly within the web, point and optimal range of any hostile gang they face.
The web reduction along with other things reduced their available solo target selection to a tiny fraction, consisting of ships that are slower after module/effects on both sides are taken into account, so pretty much only slower BS or those without webs or mwd's. Also in the small 2-3 man teams they also lost the ability to stand a chance of defending themselves against a squad of small ships even slightly effectivly.
When all things considered like how the game is today, how the availability and ability of combat for battleships in general was deliberatly changed/reduced and how much those changes have effected blaster BS i do not think that modernizing blaster BS (and other BS/systems that may need it) so they are a bit more effective in the only type of combat that is now available for them is wrong.
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Childstar
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Posted - 2009.03.19 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Electric Universe
You forget soooooo many things that have to do with gang combat.
You forget the resists to EM and Thermal for example
I did not forget them or anything else i just did not mention them because its all you preach on about.
Originally by: Electric Universe you forget the one RR a Mega can have, to rep each others, that actually can make up for the extra EHP the Abaddon have.
The mega is not the only blaster ship gallente have nor is the abaddon the only BS amarr have.
Originally by: Electric Universe You forgot to tell how much more agile a Mega is than any of the Amarr BS'es is. You also forgot that MWDing 25-30 km in a Mega doesn't take many seconds.
A slightly more agile brick is still a brick. As far as mwding is concerned a stationary mega accelerating in a streight line towards another BS even a amarr BS at 0ms that starts burning away from it at the same time would take quite a while to catch it. Even against a stationary target it would take 30+ seconds to travel 25km as the megas goes around 800ms when omni tank fitted.
And that is just to get to the FIRST primary target, it needs to repeat the whole process over and over again for each subsequant target.
Originally by: Electric Universe You forget that the web nerf was hitting every ships that use a webber.
I did not forget anything as i was discussing the effect the web reduction had on blaster BS and their previous role as a effective solo ship. I did mention that ships that were not suited to solo work but were great in gangs were effected least by the changes especially considering they got a tracking buff just before the changes.
Originally by: Electric Universe You forgot that Laser BS'es use waaaaaaaaaaaay more cap than a Blaster Mega does.
Thats a poor excuse as not only do both blaster ships and laser ships need to fit a cap injector but the blaster ships need to almost constantly burn their MWD just to get into range.
Originally by: Electric Universe You also forget to say that when a Mega is in your web range, or around 3-5 km and orbiting you, you will have hard time to hit him any good, because of the tracking on Lasers (not that this have so much with gang combat to do, but still, if that happens then.....).
The tracking between lasers and blasters in BS vs BS gang combat is irrelavant for more reasons than i can be bothered to list as everybody including yourself know them already.
Originally by: Electric Universe And you also forgot to take the advantages each weapons have over the other weapons etc etc.
No i did not, although you have mentioned them above anyway, but yet still need to post this last line with ect ect at the end????..Whats the problem did you run out of what poor arguments you already had and need to fill out your post by repeating yourself?.
Originally by: Electric Universe You just looks at the EFT stats and says wow, the Abaddon have some better stats than the Mega, so the Mega must sucks.
When you realize that those points over as i have said now, is some VERY valid points in gang combats.
I did not use EFT stats i use real time abilities of the ships in question and how they regularly and realistically perform in real time pvp situatiuons on TQ.
You are the one using EFT stats and ignoring the reality of gang combat, you use comments on tracking to fill out you post and yet even admit they have no application in gang pvp. You make vague referances to the mega having more agility without applying how it ***uld effect gang combat what so ever (as it does'nt).
Ok you managed to drag out your "poster child" omni resist vs dmg type comment but then that only makes any real differance when applied to very limited numbers against specific tanks and within a absurdly small range.
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Posted - 2009.03.19 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Zubakis
Originally by: Electric Universe
Originally by: Zubakis
Originally by: Electric Universe You also forgot that MWDing 25-30 km in a Mega doesn't take many seconds.
R u sure? Try it out how long does it take to move 30km from a full stop. It will be like 30sec.
Yeah, and 30 secs is long time?.
If it's not long, then u probably dont have a clue what are you talking about.
Its a crap tonne more than 30 secs when you factor in the megas top speed of 900ish ms, + acceleration from 0 ms, and mostly the target ship accelerating and burning away (150ish ms slower than the mega) but still a huge factor when mulpilied over distance.
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Posted - 2009.03.19 16:29:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 19/03/2009 16:29:46
Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: Cohkka I don't know how many Blasterships are flown these days as there aren't any numbers to prove it. All I know is that for any resonable sized gang (6-8 BS and up) a Railfitted Mega does the job way better than a Blaster one. Now considering Rails do 30% less damage than Scorch MPs with less range and tracking you can set things in perspective.
Its actually 6% less against armor tanked battleships(counting shield and structure). And they have more range. Tracking isn't as big a deal in battleship gang combat(and when it is, the laser ships can't hit anyway)
With a reasonable fit the mega gets 538 raw gun dmg with faction antimatter out to 36km optimal + 30km falloff, but has no chance of ever fitting a RR.
The geddon gets 606 raw gun dps out to 45km + 10km falloff with larger EHP and a RR fitted.
The abaddon gets 730 raw gun dps out to 45km + 10km falloff with a much larger tank but no RR.
Or if you decide to fit one on your abaddon you get 639 raw gun DPS out to 45km + 10km falloff and RR.
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Posted - 2009.03.19 16:51:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 19/03/2009 16:52:30
Originally by: Goumindong
2. The top speed of a mega with a MWD is 960 or 1375 without plates or tri-marks. Overloading matters.
All ships can overheat
Originally by: Goumindong 1. The Abaddon does not have "near equal damage" to a mega.
Correct the abaddon actually does more dmg than the mega even after resists at all but a tiny range.
Originally by: Goumindong Granted you'll eat a lot of that MWDing, but everyone here expects the laser ships to be MWDing too
No they do not, ALL the megas in a gang need to be almost constantly running MWDing to catch the primary or at least get into a range that they can do reasonable damage.
The only laser ship that needs to run its mwd is the single one they are after and maybe those close to it to gain distance, the rest can just burn at normal speed.
Originally by: Goumindong Only if the Mega is primary, and if the mega is primary that means that the enemy gang thinks they're dangerous..
The reason why the Blaster ships are going to be primary is because they have lower ehp and will be well within the optimal range of all the oposing gang and so will be getting hit by more ships and harder than ships at longer range.
Originally by: Goumindong You get the best solo/small gang battleships and to get that you take some trade-offs by not being as good in a larger gang just as Amarr take the trade-offs of not being as good in a smaller one.
Give it a rest, all BS suck at solo work now because the target availability for them is close to 0, now blaster BS may suck slightly less ON PAPER OR SISSI than amarr at solo work but that does not make them good or even particularly useful at solo work. Nor does it make solo BS PVP actually exist on TQ or make blaster BS the best choice for it even if it did exist.
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Posted - 2009.03.19 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Electric Universe
In fact, an Abaddon melts like 20-30% faster to 6 Blaster Mega's than one Mega melts to 6 Abaddons. This is when the Abaddons are at their optimal and when Blaster Megas are in their optimal range.
The abaddon may melt 20-30% faster but it also has 37% more ehp as well as the fact that the megas need to be at 4.5km while the abaddons can be at much longer ranges.
Originally by: Electric Universe Stuff about RR
A omni tank blaster mega gets 832 gun dps at 4.5km optimal with RR fitted.
The 425 RAIL mega gets 538 raw gun dmg with faction antimatter out to 36km optimal, but has no chance of ever fitting a RR and only a 100k omni tank.
The geddon gets 606 raw gun dps out to 45km optimal (760 gun dps out to 15km) with good EHP and a RR fitted.
The abaddon gets 730 raw gun dps out to 45km optimal (916 gun dps out to 15km) with a massive EHP tank but no RR.
Or if you decide to fit one on your abaddon you get 639 raw gun dps out to 45km optimal (802 raw gun dps out to 15km) and a massive EHP tank and has RR.
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Posted - 2009.03.19 21:03:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 19/03/2009 21:06:27
Originally by: Koloch
But then the Mega also has the option to field ORgeIIs or sentryIIs. So it's true dps is a lot higher than 832
The geddon gets 606 raw gun dps out to 45km optimal or 760 gun dps out to 15km with good EHP and a RR fitted.
Also with 5 ogre or sentry T2's. (317 thermal dps if ogres are used)
Or if you decide to fit one on your abaddon you get 639 raw gun dps out to 45km optimal (802 raw gun dps out to 15km) and a massive EHP tank and has RR.
+111 thermal dps from drones.
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Posted - 2009.03.19 21:15:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 19/03/2009 21:23:16
Originally by: Electric Universe
To you first thing. Yeah, at 4.5 / 5 km, it's not hard to warp a gang into that range, or on top of the enemies.
The warping in at range applies to both sides and the megas only have the DPS advantage if they warp in for the first target after that the oposing gang will have burned way outside 4.5km so the dps advantage you say they would get is history.
Originally by: Electric Universe The 2nd thing. No, my Megathron on EFT does 1k DPS at the optimal range to the Neutrons with one RR fitted. This is ofc with 5x Ogre II drones. And on my setup i only use one damage mod.
I did point out that it was raw gun dps as drone dmg is normally going to be thermal as well as the fact that the geddon can fit as many drones as the mega.
Although the mega i put together had 1148 dps with drones, RR and 115k+ ehp including the usual mwd, point web ect.
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Posted - 2009.03.19 21:45:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 19/03/2009 21:46:31
Originally by: Electric Universe
To you first thing. No that's not right. It's something called webbing more than just the primary and secondary target you know .
Its impossable to designate individual webs from individual ships onto individual ships when in a good sized gang vs gang fight.
Not only that but as you said the megas need to stick together and as such any tertiary ships they may have webbed will still have plenty of time to get out of the "4.5km blaster 30% dps advantage" range and into the ranges that lasers do the greater dps.
Originally by: Electric Universe To the second thing. Yes i agree, but still even when the geddon can have as much drones as the Mega, it still doesn't do near as good DPS as the Blaster mega does at 5 km.
I never said geddons match the dps of megas at 4.5km, they do however match and then out damage megas at every range from just over that, and then continue to do so all the way out to 45km.
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Posted - 2009.03.19 22:05:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 19/03/2009 22:09:29
Originally by: Koloch
...and leaving out lots of data regarding fit ehp (for both ships) etc.
The geddon fit i used 113ehp, mwd, large injector, point or web, 1077dps out to 15km and 923 out to 45km (inc drones) and a single RR.
The mega fit had the 115ehp, mwd, point, web, large injector and does 1148dps at 4.5km and has a single RR.
Originally by: Koloch and just to note on your web comment. people fly mixed gangs for a reason. points and webs are spread out. yeah you'll get doubling up on targets, but it's not like 10 guys warp in on 10 and everyone puts a point and web on primary.
I agree, but then megas will always bunch up in combat anyway as they need to sit on top of the primary target to do good dmg anyway let alone to RR each other.
And as such with or without RR they cannot move with the tertiary ships they have webbed and with such a tiny window of dps advantage even a webbed ship will be out of the megas tiny sweet spot pretty quickly and even out of web range eventually.
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Posted - 2009.03.19 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Electric Universe
You can MWD for a LOOOOOOOOOOONG time with a passive setup and one MWD and using the guns on a Megathron.
Its not that long and the baddon and geddons cap lasts a lot longer as they do not need to mwd towards every target.
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Posted - 2009.03.19 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Electric Universe Edited by: Electric Universe on 19/03/2009 22:24:41
Originally by: Childstar Edited by: Childstar on 19/03/2009 22:18:44
Originally by: Electric Universe
You can MWD for a LOOOOOOOOOOONG time with a passive setup and one MWD and using the guns on a Megathron.
And if everyone of the Megathrons are going for the same target, then the Megathrons can RR each others while MWDing after the target to if they are close enough to each others.
Its not that long and the baddon and geddons cap lasts a lot longer as they do not need to mwd towards every target.
And if you wanna mwd and RR pluis fire in a mega thats fine but the word "long" and |"cap" should not be used in the same sentance if you do....
But then the Amarr BS'es use quite alot more cap to shoot than the Blaster Megathrons use. Wasn't the Pulses using like 32 cap per cycle per gun or something on an Abaddon?.
Pulse use more cap than blasters but the mega needs to run a mwd just hit hit well let alone hard.
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Posted - 2009.03.19 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: Electric Universe
Originally by: Childstar Pulse use more cap than blasters but the mega needs to run a mwd just hit hit well let alone hard.
It's still 125% more cap usage than Neutrons . And believe me, your cap goes down quite fast after some mins with shooting.
13.65 cap per gun cycle x 7 guns = 95.55 + 276 per 4.6 seconds from the mwd = 371.55 cap per 4.6 second gun cycle or 80.7 cap per second.
The geddon uses 15 cap per gun cycle x 7 = 105 per 3.4 seconds or 30.88 cap per second.
The abaddon uses 30 cap per gun cycle x 8 = 240 per 4.3 second cycle or 55.81 cap per second.
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Posted - 2009.03.19 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Esmenet
Originally by: Koloch
and just to note on your web comment. people fly mixed gangs for a reason. points and webs are spread out. yeah you'll get doubling up on targets, but it's not like 10 guys warp in on 10 and everyone puts a point and web on primary.
Blaster megas are worthless in a mixed RR gang.
That is why they used the "mega only gang" scenario as in a mixed gang they would be nothing more than a remote rep ship doing close to no damage while the ships with longer range were the only ones doing good damage.
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Posted - 2009.03.19 23:22:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 19/03/2009 23:23:05
Originally by: Electric Universe
Yeah that's with the MWD running.
But only compate with the guns only.
Then what does the numbers get within two minutes?.
It gets the mega dead having done sod all damage as it did not get into dmg range of any of the targets.
Oh and FYI, in mixed RR BS gangs the blaster mega has to choose between approaching close to the primary to do damage or staying within RR range.
As such the gang either does low dps cos the megas are out of range for most of the fight and the ENTIRE gang needs to approach each primary or the megas burn ahead to do damage and die cos they cannot be RR'd.
If you had ever flown in mixed RR gangs you would know that.
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Posted - 2009.03.19 23:34:00 -
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Originally by: Julie Thorne
Originally by: Childstar
The geddon fit i used 113ehp, mwd, large injector, point or web, 1077dps out to 15km and 923 out to 45km (inc drones) and a single RR.
Please post your setup.
7 x MP2 1 X Large solace RR.
1 x MWD best named/low cpu. 1 x heavy injector best named/low cpu. 1 x point or web best named/low cpu.
1 x dcu II 2 x heat sink II 2 x ANP II 3 x 1600 reinforced rolled tungsten plates
1 x t1 pg rig. 2 x t1 trimarks.
5 x ogreII's
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Posted - 2009.03.19 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: Electric Universe Edited by: Electric Universe on 19/03/2009 23:37:01
Originally by: Childstar Oh and FYI, in mixed RR BS gangs the blaster mega has to choose between approaching close to the primary to do damage or staying within RR range.
As such the gang either does low dps cos the megas are out of range for most of the fight and the ENTIRE gang needs to approach each primary or the megas burn ahead to do damage and die cos they cannot be RR'd.
If you had ever flown in mixed RR gangs you would know that.
Hey, the other RR Megas can go after the same target maybe?, they don't need to stay still. As long the other Megas are within the 8.5 km range then they are fine.
And if they have other targets near, then they can web the other targets to as long they are within 10 km. So it gets easier to close in to them later when we have killed the primary or whatever.
A RR gang with megas in it loses the DPS of ALL those megas until they finally get into hit range of each ship the gang goes after. As well as the fact that the ENTIRE gang will need to use their MWD's as well as weapons or be out of RR range of the blaster ships.
Now you were the one talking about laser cap issues so i suggest you ask a amarr pilot how he would feel about needing to MWD after a mega while firing AND remote repping.....
I hope you are not easily offended by bad launguage if you do...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
While the gang with longer range and no blaster ships to burn after lays down hard DPS from all its ships from the start AND has to RR less as its taking less dmg.....
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Posted - 2009.03.20 00:12:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 20/03/2009 00:14:46
Originally by: Electric Universe
That setup is way out of CPU.
And the MWD and Cap injector only lower you powergrid usage if your going for t1 named.
You have to use a Quad Lif MWD to be able to fit the setup, because with a Quad Lif MWD your using 22606 out og 22687.5 powergrid.
But that setup with the Quad LIF MWD and the best t1 named Warp Disruptor use 631.25 out of 606.25 CPU.
It doesn't help with some lower CPU usage on turrets implant here either.
With a -5% lower CPU usage on turrets implant, your still using 617.34 out of 606.25 CPU. Yes this is with all skills on level 5.
I did not use the slot 10 -5% turret cpu reduction implant i used the cheaper -3% one and the slot 6 +3% cpu one. Although the slot 6 +5% one gives enough cpu for the fit so it depends on what is cheaper on the market or if you only wanna use one slot instead of two.
The fit uses 622.9/624.44 cpu and 22431/22687 pg using the two 3% implants.
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Posted - 2009.03.20 00:27:00 -
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Originally by: Electric Universe
But if your using 2x CPU implants, then it depends on what other implants you could have used in the Slot 6, if there is something that is way more important than that CPU implant on Slot 6, then i will ofc use something else than the Slot 6 CPU implant. Or it really depends tbh.
Is there a point to that waffle or are you just babbling because you were wrong?.
Originally by: Electric Universe Btw, how much does the Slot 6 CPU implant cost?.
Well its a +3 so i doubt its much and certainly not something a player looking to fly 3 races of marauders and faction fitted navy megas into combat would worry about.![Wink](/images/icon_wink.gif)
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Posted - 2009.03.20 01:00:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 20/03/2009 01:04:06
Originally by: Electric Universe
Originally by: Childstar
Originally by: Electric Universe
But if your using 2x CPU implants, then it depends on what other implants you could have used in the Slot 6, if there is something that is way more important than that CPU implant on Slot 6, then i will ofc use something else than the Slot 6 CPU implant. Or it really depends tbh.
Is there a point to that waffle or are you just babbling because you were wrong?.
Originally by: Electric Universe Btw, how much does the Slot 6 CPU implant cost?.
Well its a +3 so i doubt its much and certainly not something a player looking to fly 3 races of marauders and faction fitted navy megas into combat would worry about.![Wink](/images/icon_wink.gif)
Well it's pretty funny anyways that you have to use 2x CPU implants to be able to fit a normal t1 named / t2 passive setup with Mega Pulse II's on a geddon.
Ofc, if you have to then you have to. Nothing more to say about that.
But still, it's not gonna make the geddon any better than Megas when it's about RR and doing DPS.
It does what it does and the geddon and the baddon are each already so much more better in gang combat with or without RR than the mega or hype that they do not need to be any more so.
MWD + RR + GUNS...damn i remeber flying in a RR blaster BS..you did crap damage for most of the fight and if you did try to burn close to targets to do more you burned up your cap like a sod and either did not get repped, or if the whole gang moved with you it was reeeeaaal slow and quite bumpy as well as cap destroying...![Crying or Very sad](/images/icon_cry.gif)
And boy did the amarr pilots love us blaster boys for making them keep up and use there MWD's along with their RR and lasers.....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.03.20 10:52:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 20/03/2009 10:52:01
Originally by: Goumindong
Armageddon: 8 low slots, 7 Turrets, 33% effective DPS bonus Abaddon with an RR: 7 low slots, 7 turrets, 25% effective DPS bonus
Your numbers are impossible to reconcile.
By you maybe everybody else does not have a problem with them, although you may wanna factor in that the baddon can easily fit 3 heat sinks and tank and all the other modules.
While the geddon needs to be a little more conservative on its cpu... Originally by: Goumindong
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Correct the abaddon actually does more dmg than the mega even after resists at all but a tiny range.
This is a lie.
It is the total truth, its just that most amarr pilots try to keep ppl focused on the dmg blasters do at 4.5km and ignore the 30-35km where lasers do more dmg.
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Posted - 2009.03.20 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Theron Gyrow
Originally by: Electric Universe Edited by: Electric Universe on 20/03/2009 01:40:01 Meh, as long your doing everything right in a gang THAT warps on top of the other enemies gang, they are still gonna pwn the enemies as long the enemies are close to each others.
Let's see. You say that if 1) you're the one warping in 2) you get an on-top warp-in 3) enemies are close to each other Megathrons will win against equal-sized gangs of similarly-skilled laser BS.
Never mind on that whether that is balanced (it's not; just the first case halves the fights where you claim Megas would be competitive, the rest reduce it much further), it is actually false against competent opponents. Yeah, you will get some kills, and you can probably win over newbies who aren't fitting MWDs on their ships, but that's it. Whee.
This.
1. Even TOTALLY best case scenario where the megas land on top of a gang and that gang just sits till and fights the megas are gonna take heavy losses even if they win.
2. If the oposing gang has any brains at all and burns away the megas lose the small DPS advantage they had and lose.
3. If the fight does not start at the PERFECT range for the megas they would start the fight doing much lower dmg with much weaker tanks and the need to mwd burn heavily while RRing towards every target. In other words they would lose and lose badly with very few kills.
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Posted - 2009.03.20 12:35:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 20/03/2009 12:45:03
Originally by: Goumindong
I don't think you understand what is going on.
You've listed an impossible situation for turret DPS. The Armageddon, when using the same number of turrets, must explicitly have more turret DPS than the Abaddon. It must do so because it has more space for damage mods(typically 3), and has a damage bonus that is stronger in raw DPS(Rof =33% DPS boost, Damage = 25% dps boost)
If the Abaddon has 3 Heat Sinks the Armageddon must necessarily still do 6.4% more gun DPS.
The geddon fit had 2 HS the baddon fit had 3 HS.
With 7 MP each and fitted with scortch the geddon gets 606 gun dps the baddon gets 639 gun dps.
Originally by: Goumindong Would you say "Railgun megas do more damage even after resists at all but a tiny range?" Because its just as true
You are ignoring something.
Large blaster available range is 4.5km +13km with AM and 11km +16km with null and within that 0-27km blaster band lasers do 70% dmg initially then match or out damage blasters even against a tank that favors kin/therm from 8-10km onwards to 27km.
So for the first 33ish% of blasters available range pulse do 70% to 100% of blaster dmg against a tank that favors kin/therm and for the other 66% of blasters available range lasers initially match then easily out damage blasters against the same kin/therm prefered tank.
NOW.
Large pulse available range is 15km+10km with MF and 45km +10km with SCORCH and within that 0-55km range RAILS even with AM loaded do a lot less than 70% dmg in the first 33% (538dps vs 916dps these are RAW DPS figures as i do not have the results vs omni tank).
And for the other 66% of laser range lasers still out damage rails vs omni tanks that favor kin/therm until we are at the very edge of pulse lasers available range and well into there falloff (in other words the point that lasers miss a lot).
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Posted - 2009.03.20 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: Electric Universe
Originally by: Theron Gyrow
Originally by: Electric Universe
Meh, as long your doing everything right in a gang THAT warps on top of the other enemies gang, they are still gonna pwn the enemies as long the enemies are close to each others.
Let's see. You say that if 1) you're the one warping in 2) you get an on-top warp-in 3) enemies are close to each other Megathrons will win against equal-sized gangs of similarly-skilled laser BS.
Never mind on that whether that is balanced (it's not; just the first case halves the fights where you claim Megas would be competitive, the rest reduce it much further), it is actually false against competent opponents. Yeah, you will get some kills, and you can probably win over newbies who aren't fitting MWDs on their ships, but that's it. Whee.
This must be the stupiest thing here. We have to fight against noobs only because we do the things as i said over here?.
Dude, don't you have better excuses to come with[:roll:?.
Well i suppose a case could be made for your targets being noobs or at least lacking experiance, i mean how many experianced BS gangs just sit still and allow a gang of blaster BS of roughly equal numbers or at least large enough to beat/outfight them to warp directly on top of them?.
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Posted - 2009.03.20 13:08:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 20/03/2009 13:15:27
Originally by: Electric Universe
Hahahaha, look at all of this whining.
To you number 2. How many times do i have to say that when you warp in 10 Megas to 10 other BS'es, then you don't web only the primary dude.
You will most likely web half of the enemie gang, at least.
Maybe maybe not but it does not matter as the fact remains that the ones not webbed will be quickly out of range and even those that are webbed can still burn with enough speed to be well outside the tiny range blasters have the dps advantage long before the primary is dead. And then they have the dps and ehp advantage in their favor and the blaster boys are in real trouble.
Originally by: Electric Universe To you number 3. I don't think any smart Megathron pilots in a gang would warp in when THEY KNOW they will land long way from the enemies.
How many times do i have to tell that to before any of you get it?.
So like you said earlier the oposing gang needs to be sitting still and not moving and just allow a blaster gang to warp right on top of them for the blaster gang to stand even a chance of winning, but for a gaurenteed blaster win they also need to sit still after the blaster ships land and not burn some distance.
You are going to allow them to actually fire back i hope cos if so even in that utterly unrealistic and favorable scenario you have imagined above the blaster ships still take significant losses.
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Posted - 2009.03.20 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Electric Universe
They will not take much losses if the Megathrons are RR fitted. When Megathrons can fight 2:1 outnumbered and get lots of kills with no losses, then they for sure can take no losses to an equal size enemy gang. No matter what you say.
This is ofc for skilled players who knows EXACTLY what they are doing.
VS idiots who just sit still and wait for it and whave no RR fitted themselves?...great....![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
If there is one thing this forum shows its those who have actually done the things they talk about in the ships they talk about regularly on TQ and those who have not and just spout theory and possability relative to how they think the ship can perform because of its abilities.
Unfortunatly these people are easy to spot because there scenarios are always one sided, totally favorable and utterly ignore the fact that the oposing gang may have a single brain cell and react and counter the pitifully simplistic tactics they think are so clever.
Why dont you try imagining yourself in the other gang for a second.
FIRSTLY ask yourself how badly you screwed up by letting those megas land on top of you.
Ask yourself if you would realistically ever let it happen.
Ask yourself that even if you did have a total brain lapse and did let it happen if you would sit still and not instantly start burning away before they even started locking you.
Then continue that line of thinking and add to it the fact that you have more EHP, you have equal or more dmg at every range apart from 4.5-8km and even at those ranges you still get 70% of what the blasters are doing, and that do not need to burn to that 4.5km range for every single ship you primary.
I fly and have flown blaster ships for years so i know exactly how they perform now and in those situations and that is why i trained amarr, you have not so until you do stop with the naive theoretical spouting and try listening.
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Posted - 2009.03.20 14:15:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 20/03/2009 14:25:12
Originally by: Electric Universe
I asked my self, and i answered my self, i don't care, i want a fight whatever they are in and whatever ships they are in.
So, if the Megathrons warps in on you and start the fight, then you better run yeah, as you said, if not, your going to get slaughtered hard.
But running from a fight is not winning a fight though. So you better stay and fight if you want to TRY and win the fight.
So your answer is "i would not normally let them but if i say that i lose the argument, so il pretend im letting them on perpose cos all i care about is the fight"...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
And i did not say run away i said burn away as gaining even a little distance will make the blasters dmg suck while yours is still high along with your EHP advantage.
Strange how i clearly pointed that out in my initial post but you snipped and ignored it then tried to twist it into a totally differant comment about running away......![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Transparant much?...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: Electric Universe Laser BS'es is not always the best. Yes i have said that Laser BS'es are best in some situations, and i agree to that, like the Megathron is best in some situations.
The situations where a pulse BS is worse choice for actual combat compared to a blaster BS are not only extraordinarily small but also virtually non existant on TQ.
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Posted - 2009.03.20 14:34:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 20/03/2009 15:13:58
Originally by: Theron Gyrow
Yes. The problem is that there is a type of BS that is pretty much worst at everything. Blaster BS are good for station camping if there is no risk of outside help, and that's pretty much it. For everything else, no matter how well you fly it, a well-flown laser BS is better.
Actually while blaster BS are ok at station camping (lets fact it, its hardly rocket science) id still prefer a gang of laser ships for the job given the choice.
They get almost the same DPS output of blasters in this situation but they can put out that damage at a range that very few of the undocking ships (apart from other laser ships) can actually reach with any significant dmg. So they get not only quite simular dmg out put but a range tank that only other laser ships can reach as well as their existing greater EHP buffer as well.
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Posted - 2009.03.20 16:08:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 20/03/2009 16:11:07
Originally by: Electric Universe Posting from my friends computer now.
Maybe you should get your need to troll under control.
Originally by: Electric Universe
Saying a Laser BS is best at everything is the stupiest crap i have ever heard in EVE.
Who said laser BS are best at everything?...are youi hearing voices again??.
Laser BS are by far the better at all the reasonably available types of pvp for BS on TQ than blaster BS.
Originally by: Electric Universe Blasters are extremely good at gate PVP and station PVP and when your gang with Blaster Megas are the gang who are warping in on the enemies.
Laser BS are better at gate and station pvp than blaster BS.
Originally by: Electric Universe Child, saying a Laser BS can do the same DPS as a Neutron Mega is also bull****. Well you can get the same DPS, but then you melt faster than snow.
Its not bull its the truth, in fact at all but a tiny window where lasers do good damage anyway pulse out damage blasters.
Your problem is that you cannot get past the utterly and insignificantly tiny range that blasters do 16%ish more dmg than lasers (yea yea it works out to 30% against certain tanks ).
Originally by: Electric Universe
EDIT: Child and Theron Gyrow, since both of you clearly don't know how Gallente is, then take a look here: http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm?setview=features&bhcp=1&gameid=14&loadfeature=2822
Now, wanna prove that link to be wrong to ?.
Well at least that confirms our points about where you get your blaster and general pvp ideas and experiance about TQ from......![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.03.20 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Ad Valorem
Originally by: Trader20
Well assuming your in gang (which is pretty much all the time if you pvp)even if your fit doesn't have dual webs on it the primary target will have about 4 or 5 webs on him because of your gang members webbing him up.
Not if the gang is all flying Amarr, which they are these days! ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
4 mids gives more than enough room for a mwd, point, web and injector on each.
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Posted - 2009.03.21 10:06:00 -
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Originally by: Electric Universe
Haha, first off, congrats for saying i was trolling when i was giving you all the facts, AGAIN.
Everytime i give you some fact, you all accuse me of trolling. Nice way of proving me wrong . Maybe you should stop trolling your self with the utter bullcrap that Lasers do more DPS than Blasters.
The fact that gallente do a little more damage than lasers at a insignificantly small range is news to nobody but you p[reach it in every post like discoverd you oil in you back yard.
Lasers do out damage blasters in a much greater available range.
Originally by: Electric Universe To the second thing, you said i was telling that Laser bs'es are best and then told me that you didn't had said that Lasers BS'es are best at everything, but then why are you saying that Lasers ARE better than Blasters?.
Nobody said lasers are best at everything in fact it was clearly stated that they are NOT, you should read posts more carefully.
Originally by: Electric Universe
Saying a Laser BS is better than a Blaster BS at gate camping or station PVP is also not true. Try meeting a Megathron gang with RR's fitted. They will whoop the Laser BS'es ass then.
Yes, if the Megas doesn't have RR fitted, then it might be something else. The chance that Amarr BS'es is going to win over an RR fitted Mega gang is as small as finding a needle on the earth from the moon.
Laser ships can fit RR as well and they do not need to burn their mwd to get close to each target like the blaster gang would need to.
Continuing to fit advantages onto blaster ships and leaving them off their targets just shows how baised things need to be.
And the geddon is not the only amarr battle ship that can fit RR.
Originally by: Electric Universe And to the last thing. Yes i proved you all wrong by that link. And then you had to come with that funny & poor coment that i had learned all of my PVP from that link.
All you proved with that link is that you have no clue how pvp actually works, that link is the sort of thing that noobs read when they join eve and are thinking about picking a race, it shows nothing about how combat actually works or how the differant races abilities benifit them in actual TQ combat.
The link made you look foolish and naive dude, if you cannot see that its your problem.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.03.21 11:13:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 21/03/2009 11:17:21
Originally by: Goumindong However, a mixed gang composition will more likely push your RR gang onto the gate or station as a rally point.[edit: which further advantages blaster ships unless you're engaging nano-cruisers]
A mixed BS RR gang disadvantages blaster ships and rails, blasters because they will continually need to turn and burn to get to a range that they can do good damage while needing to watch in case they get out of RR range.
Rails do however solve the needing to MWD to get into range and do good dmg issue, unfortunatly even with AM fitted they do a lot less dmg than pulse even against tank that are favorable to them along with causing fitting issues as well as reduction in the megas already low ehp relative to the laser ships.
So the up side is that rail BS will be wasting no time or cap on their mwd to get into range and do good damage like blasters need to, but then they cannot do good damage even in perfect conditions anyway and their relative ehp sucks even worse than normal.![ugh](/images/icon_ugh.gif)
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Posted - 2009.03.21 12:19:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 21/03/2009 12:21:01
Originally by: Electric Universe
Childstar. 30% DPS advantage on Neutrons over Lasers in optimal range is just more than a little dude .
I'll listen to the facts the link from the MMORRPG site says over your rant any days. That site doesn't lie. And after what i have told from the beginning here, i have told the same many times as it's written in that link from the MMORPG site.
Your just trying all to twist you through the facts there. BUT YOU CANNOT. Because it's written down on black and white and you can't delete that.
And omg hahahah then you have to tell me by showing that link that i have to you that i'm lying?. Wow, good way of lying your self .
I have been telling the same as the link shows all the time. I'm not lying when i say that the Blaster Mega is the beast in PVP when it's about DPS, NOTHING beats a Blaster Mega in DPS in optimal range, no one is even near.
I was not lying when you have to MWD a bit to get to the targets and risk something there, and the link said the same.
I was not lying when it's about the damage types Blasters do. They are both good to armor and shield. The link did still sjhow the same.
I was not lying when it's about the range Blasters have. They are the ultimate close range beast machine, and here to, the link shows that i was telling the same.
I was not lying when i have said that Gallente BS'es are more agile than Laser BS'es. Gallente BS'es are in between Amarr BS'es and Minmatar BS'es when it's about the agility.
So now, whos lying here?. I'm not the one who are lying. Becase that links is telling what i have been telling here in this topic all the time.
So do me the favour and tell me what exactly i have been lying about when it's about the facts in that link?.
Ok it seems that their are a few things you need to comprehend before you have a total mental breakdown.
Nobody has said that the link does not give a rather basic but accurate description of how drones and blasters function.
Nobody is denying or has denied anything about how blasters function or what dmg they are capable of at certian ranges, and i do not know where you are getting the idea that ppl are doing that from but nobody is ok?.
What this thread IS discussing is now those abilities now apply to the available forms of pvp in eve now for battleships.
What you seem to have never been be able to grasp over all the threads on this subject is the differance between:
A. Raw on paper stats and B. How it applies to the sort of combat available on TQ for BS.
I find it odd that somebody who constantly goes on about the differance between raw dps and how it applies to omni tanks in a real situation quotes a silly page of text setup as a overview introduction for noobs joining the game and then acts as if it tells anybody anything about how that applies to actual available combat and especially BS combat.
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Posted - 2009.03.21 14:12:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 21/03/2009 14:14:16
Originally by: Electric Universe
I find it very odd that you have to accuse that page for telling how Gallente is for noobs. It's still how Gallente works no matter what you accuse that web page for.
The Gallente is not explained any different only because it's more of an introductin to newer players. It's still the true fact about Gallente.
And i have been totally right about my points in this topic about what that link tells. And still many of the trolling alts have been telling that i have been lying.
I have seen nobody say you are lying about the stats you wave around.
Originally by: Electric Universe First you say that yeah Blasters ONLY have a littyle DPS advantage when that's a pure lie. 30% more dps in optimal than Lasers is quite more than just a little .
The window for that dps advantage is not only so rediculously tiny that getting a constant 30% advantage is close to impossable in actual combat but it is also subject to a single type of tank, but as i have said many times nobody has denied that it exists at least on paper.
Originally by: Electric Universe Stuff about RR.
Amarr laser BS can be used just as effectivly with RR as blaster BS can be, if not more effectivly simply because of their ability to engage and do good instant damage within a much larger area without losing dps and cap because of needing to burn into a perfect optimal range for every target.
This makes laser ships considerably more dangerous to changing circumstances in a fight as well as a more difficult foe to fight due to their ability to range tank while doing heavy damage that is coupled with the targets laser ships may face inability to range tank and do good damage.
And yes people sill fly gallente BS, up until a week ago when i finished training amarr BS and the weapon systems to go with it i had no choice but to fly gallente BS myself. But that does not change the fact that if a close range gang of BS was being put together (with or without RR) now i have finished my amarr training that it would not be the blaster ship i would be jumping into it would be the amarr ship.
People fly the ships they are ABLE to fly and just because they do does not mean that they would not choose another if they were able and had the skills.
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Posted - 2009.03.21 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Electric Universe To your first thing Child. I'm waving with the true stats yeah. Instead of lying, can you please give me some stats that shows me wrong?. Oh wait you can't, because the facts / stats i have given is the truth.
Just because some of you stats are accurate does not mean they all are or that your ideas and application of them is even close to being accurate.
Originally by: Electric Universe To your second thing. Like i have been telling, any smart PVPers that use Gallente BS'es with Blasters will warp right in on top of your ass no matter reason. If they do that, they will always have around 30% DPS advantage if a normal Omni tank is used.
Here is a prime example of how you ignore the reality of a situation and focus on a stat.
In that situation the only point the blaster ships have even close to a 30% dps advantage is right at the start of the fight and against the very first primay target. After that the gang would have burned away to well outside the range blasters have a advantage, even those that would have been webbed would be well beyond the tiny 4.5km window.
Originally by: Electric Universe To your 3rd thing. Yes you can get some working RR Amarr BS'es, but those will be gimped either in EHP, DPS or resists. So no matter how you say it, the Gallente BS'es with RR will always get out way better than any Amarr BS'es with RR.
In a RR vs RR gang fight the most effective tactics for winning the battle is to switch targets and apply instant damage to a ship that is not being RR'd as quick possable before his buddies can react, lock him themselves and start remote repping.
1. Amarr ships having a clear advantage in available instant dmg range that makes them more effective at applying their damage against targets, while in a gang fight not all the blaster ships will be within the 30% more dmg range of the targets chosen.
2. Laser ships are also more able to soak up more damage when the target switch tactic is used against them due to having more EHP, thus giving their team mates longer to react, lock and RR them.
3. Laser ships not needing to MWD towards every target to do high damage, this means a lot less overall cap usage in a fight that is already cap intensive due to the need to run RR.
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Posted - 2009.03.21 16:09:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 21/03/2009 16:12:39
Originally by: Electric Universe
ChalSto. First off, i'm not NightmareX by any means only because some on the forum says it.
Yes you are its obvious and everybody sees it.
Originally by: Electric Universe
And you say that RR gang vs RR gang is the most realistic fights, yeah it is. But how realistic is it to find Amarr BS'es with RR's fitted?, it's very few times to come over that.
It was your scenario pal not mine i just pointed out a few facts, the truth is that a normal RR gang is made up of a lot of races ships and its also true that the best in the gang for overall damage in the fights they get in are the laser ships.
Originally by: Electric Universe Oh wow, the Abaddon have EHP advantage, but wow, the Megathron have 30% DPS advantage when in optimal and RR advantage over the Abaddon. Saying Abaddon can use RR is also a stupid way to make an excuse, because taking away one gun on the abaddon is really going to nerf your DPS by miles.
Firstly the megas EHP is god awful when its fitted with nuetrons, RR and 3 mag stabs.
With 7 guns each the abaddons gun dps is only 53dps less than the geddons if they both fit 3 mag stabs and normaly the geddon has a hell of a lot less EHP and can only choose between either a point or a web.
Personally i think considering the ease of fit the buckets more EHP and the very tiny gun dps differance that the abaddon is the better choice for a RR BS than the geddon.
Originally by: Electric Universe The RR is one of the reasons a Megathron gang can fight outnumbered.
Its not one of the resons its the only reason, and that reason also applies to all BS that can fit RR effectivly.
How about you try staying calm, reading a bit more carefully and try using a few less emotionaly fueled insults.
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Posted - 2009.03.21 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Electric Universe
First off Child. You don't fit a Neutron Mega with 3x Mag Stabs.
You can fit it with 1 Mag Stab and still do more DPS than a geddon / Abaddon with 2x HS II, because of the omni tanks.
With 1 x mag stab the RR nuetron mega does 695 raw gun dps and has less EHP than the abaddon.
The abaddon with 7 guns and RR can easily fit 3 heat sinks and do 802 raw dps as well as having a larger EHP tank than the mega.
This gives the RR abaddon a 107 raw dps advantage over the mega RR fit removing the "30% more dps in blaster optimal" advantage and allowing lasers to easily match blaster damage in blasters 4.5km optimal, and also massivly out damage blasters in ranges above 4.5km.
The 7 gun RR abaddon with 3 HS also has more EHP than your mega fit.
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Posted - 2009.03.21 18:28:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 21/03/2009 18:31:08
Originally by: Electric Universe Why are you comparing a 1x MFS fitted Neutron Mega to a 3x HS fitted Abaddon, why do you even compare that?.
You chose the 1 MFS mega as your RR ship of choice not me.
You also asked me to find and fit a RR ship that was better than YOUR RR MEGA FIT so i did.
The abaddon fit i have chosen has:
1. The abbadon can match the gun DPS of your 1 mag stab mega in the blaster 4.5km optimal WITH omni resists taken into account.
2. The abbadon fit has more EHP.
3. The Abaddon fit not only matches your blaster ships gun DPS even WITH omni resists taken into account, but also does that same gun dmg out to 15km where the blaster damage is a joke.
4. The abaddon can easily fit the T2 RR that gives a faster rep cycle so the abaddon gets better RR than the one the mega can fit.
5. The abaddon does not need any implants at all to fit and do all of this.
I ignored the rest of the ranting in your post about the geddon as i did not mention it, and its only you who seem to want to bring it up when im not discussing it.... .
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Posted - 2009.03.21 19:09:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 21/03/2009 19:12:09 Edited by: Childstar on 21/03/2009 19:10:18
Originally by: Electric Universe
Your RR Abaddon setup sucks donkey when it's about the resists dude, no matter what you say.
Try comparing the resists to a 3x HS II fitted Abaddon to a 1x MFS II fitted Megathron
What fit/resists/low slot fit does your 1 mag stab mega have and i will?.
Originally by: Electric Universe 1. Yeah with 3x Heat Sinks . While the Mega have 1 MFS II.
You chose the mega to have 1 mag stab fitted pal so crying about it now is a bit late.
Originally by: Electric Universe 2. Oh the Abaddon have more EHP, and so what?, not like your gonna win anything by that EHP bonus anyways. DPS and RR is as much important than EHP, maybe even more important.
The abbadon fit i chose has the same gun DPS as the mega against onmi tanks, Better RR fitted and more ehp.
Originally by: Electric Universe 3. The Blasters are still not Med range weapon. BLASTERS ARE VERY CLOSE RANGE WEAPON. How many times do we have to tell you this before you get it into you little nut?. DO NOT compare a med range weapons to a close range weapons. It's just stupid.
Im not comparing im giving actual factual stats that show the abaddon matching the gun dmg of your mega at 4.5km even against omni tanks, while also doing that same gun dmg out to 15km where the megas dmg sucks.
Originally by: Electric Universe 4. Wow, by 0.5 sec better. Yeah, fitting a RR in an Abaddon is stupid anyways. Either you gimp your resists or DPS, no matter what you tell.
Its does neither of those things, when compared to your 1 mag stab mega it makes it much better at RR.
Originally by: Electric Universe 5. So what, it's not about that you have to fit any implants to fit it. It's all about having a ships that is really good in small and med size gang combat WITH RR, without gimping your DPS because of one RR.
The abaddon matches the gun dmg of you 1 mag stab mega against omni tanks, and also out performs it in ever other way including RR amount and EHP.
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Posted - 2009.03.21 19:13:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 21/03/2009 19:15:56
Originally by: Electric Universe Childstar, I ASKED YOU for the setup. Post it or stfu.
You will get my setup when you have posted yours.
Edit your above post to ask politly and i will edit this with the fit.
You need to learn manners and grow up as you get very abusive and foul mouthed when you are losing a argument.
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Posted - 2009.03.21 19:43:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 21/03/2009 19:44:12
Originally by: Electric Universe
Originally by: Childstar
Originally by: Electric Universe Childstar, I ASKED YOU for the setup. Post it or stfu.
You will get my setup when you have posted yours.
Edit your above post to ask politly and i will edit this with the fit.
You need to learn manners and grow up as you get very abusive and foul mouthed when you are losing a argument.
Post it or stfu. I asked you first, so post it or stfu.
I know your to ****ing scared to post your fail setup, so just try more to prove my point, good work.
And if you don't want to post the setup, then you know why i'm saying that your lying.
So now post it or leave this topic with your trolls.
Interesting...you add more abuse when you know i will not post the fit unless you remove it and ask in a reasonable way.....
I guess its you who really does not want it posting as it shows you up big time , anyway the fit and especially the low slot configuration is easy to figure out when you already know that 3 HS are being used.
I mean theres only 4 low slots left to use after that and the highs i have told you already, and well the mids are obvious....![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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Posted - 2009.03.21 20:13:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 21/03/2009 20:16:26
Originally by: Mag's I see NightmareX the sisi warrior, is still getting personal and abusive. Arguing with people of that nature, is a lesson in futility.
And it gets worse the more he gets owned on a subject, the major emotional posting and noob comments he constantly uses can be easily ignored as the ravings of a child but as soon as he starts losing the argument or has made a fool of himself the foul launguage and abuse starts.![ugh](/images/icon_ugh.gif)
Anyway the abaddon makes a great RR platform and cetainly better in many ways and a lot easier to fully fit than any single mag stab mega fits i can see.
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Posted - 2009.03.21 20:40:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 21/03/2009 20:42:11
Originally by: Electric Universe Childstar, post your setup or you are proven wrong .
Before you post your setup, you have NO PROOF.
Ah a post without foulness or abuse...good boy, now you need to understand the way proof works but il save that lesson for another time and throw you a bone.
7 x MP T2 1 x T2 RR
1 x 100mn MWD T2 1 X heavy cap injector T2 1 x Fleeting web 1 x T2 point (or faint point depending on fit choice).
3 x T2 heat sinks. 1 x DCU. 1 x 1600 plate 2 x eanm T2 (2 plates and one eanm can be used instead depending on preferance) 3 x trimark T1.
The 2 eanm fit gives 81.3em, 75.7thr, 71.9kin, 70.1ex with 134,371EHP.
Twin plate fit gives 76.1em, 68.9thr, 64.1kin, 61.7ex with 138,344EHP.
Abaddon gets 802 raw gun dps vs 695 raw gun dps from the 1 mag stab mega.
15km optimal vs 4.5km.
The ability to fit scorch.
And obviosly the cap and damage bonuses for not needing to burn towards each target.
10% more RR from using the T2 RR (0.5 of a second faster in a 5 second cycle = 10% faster/more RR).
NO FITTING IMPLANTS ARE NEEDED FOR THIS FIT.
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Posted - 2009.03.21 20:41:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 21/03/2009 20:41:43
Now lets see your uber 1 mag stab mega fit....![Wink](/images/icon_wink.gif)
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Posted - 2009.03.21 20:49:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 21/03/2009 20:49:56
Originally by: Electric Universe
Originally by: Childstar
Now lets see your uber 1 mag stab mega fit....![Wink](/images/icon_wink.gif)
Do you really think i'm gonna compare a 1 Mag Stab fitted Mega to a 3x HS fitted Abaddon? . Haha, being funny or what?.
Dude i will also use 3x Mag Stabs if you are using it.
Go ahead il enjoy seeing you try and fit the tank and have a good chuckle at the pathetic resists/ehp...
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Posted - 2009.03.21 21:10:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 21/03/2009 21:14:37
Originally by: Electric Universe
I think i'm going to have a laught at you all and you when i post those setups .
Just hang on.
Do you really think i'm gonna compare a 1 Mag Stab fitted Mega to a 3x HS fitted Abaddon? . Haha, being funny or what?.
None of your pimped navy mega, T2 rigged, HG slave implanted sissi dream fits pal, i used no implants so nor can you.![Very Happy](/images/icon_biggrin.gif)
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Posted - 2009.03.21 21:28:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 21/03/2009 21:30:29
Originally by: Electric Universe
Originally by: Childstar
Originally by: Electric Universe Do you really think i'm gonna compare a 1 Mag Stab fitted Mega to a 3x HS fitted Abaddon? . Haha, being funny or what?.
Fine if those are the rules those are the rules...
None of your pimped navy mega, T2 rigged, HG slave implanted sissi dream fits pal, i used no implants so nor can you.![Very Happy](/images/icon_biggrin.gif)
like i'm gonna do that. Hey i'm not a ****** dude.
But comparing a tier 3 BS to a tier 2 BS is not the best idea to do anyways. If you want to compare the Abaddon with something, then compare it to the Hyperion.
The abaddon is a very available and great ship for RR work and better than the mega, but you are welcome to try and prove me wrong.
So stop making excuses and post your fit....but hey if you wanna try doing a RR hyperion as well go ahead its got 1 less low slot than the mega but if you think you can do it go ahead and try...![Very Happy](/images/icon_biggrin.gif)
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Posted - 2009.03.21 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Electric Universe Ok, to answer to the reply with Childstar's Abaddon setup.
Your lying if you can fit all of what you said you can fit to an Abaddon without using implants. Because that setup of yours is using 715.25 out of 700 CPU with all skills on level 5.
It uses 715.25/721 with all level5 skills.
Originally by: Electric Universe Ok back to the Megathron.
The setup i use have 1x DC II, 3x MFS II, 2x EANM II's and one 1600mm Plate + 3x t1 Trimarks in low slot. The high slot are 7x Neutrons and one best named t1 RR. The guns also have Caldari Navy Antimatter L ammo.
OK LETS PAUSE THERE.
BUT WHAT IS IN YOUR MIDS......![Very Happy](/images/icon_biggrin.gif)
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Posted - 2009.03.21 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: Electric Universe
Originally by: Childstar
Originally by: Electric Universe Ok, to answer to the reply with Childstar's Abaddon setup.
Your lying if you can fit all of what you said you can fit to an Abaddon without using implants. Because that setup of yours is using 715.25 out of 700 CPU with all skills on level 5.
It uses 715.25/721 with all level5 skills.
No it doesn't. On my EFT it says 700 max CPU with all skills on level 5.
WHATEVER....MINE SAYS 721.
Originally by: Electric Universe Ok back to the Megathron.
The setup i use have 1x DC II, 3x MFS II, 2x EANM II's and one 1600mm Plate + 3x t1 Trimarks in low slot. The high slot are 7x Neutrons and one best named t1 RR. The guns also have Caldari Navy Antimatter L ammo.
BUT WHAT IS IN YOUR MIDS......![Very Happy](/images/icon_biggrin.gif)
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Posted - 2009.03.21 22:14:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 21/03/2009 22:16:35
Originally by: Electric Universe
Try plugging some of your implants out of your 'All skills on level 5' character smartypants?.
My 'All skills on level 5' character doesn't have any implants at all.
The implant 'Hardwiring - Zainou 'Gipsy' KMB-50 slot 6 implant gives your Abaddon 721 CPU.
Now stop lying.
I have no idea how to remove it and did not know it was there as you are the eft pro not me but even so it can easily fit the SOLACE RR on it instead.
And at least i made a honest mistake instead of avoiding the mid slot issue on the mega, just so you could fit a better tank....YOU ARE THE LIAR.
Originally by: Electric Universe Ok back to the Megathron.
The setup i use have 1x DC II, 3x MFS II, 2x EANM II's and one 1600mm Plate + 3x t1 Trimarks in low slot. The high slot are 7x Neutrons and one best named t1 RR. The guns also have Caldari Navy Antimatter L ammo.
BUT WHAT IS IN YOUR MIDS......![Very Happy](/images/icon_biggrin.gif)
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Posted - 2009.03.21 22:18:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 21/03/2009 22:18:09
Originally by: Electric Universe
Originally by: Childstar BUT WHAT IS IN YOUR MIDS......![Very Happy](/images/icon_biggrin.gif)
I already told you.
SHOW ME OR TELL ME AGAIN I CAN ONLY SEE THESE FITTINGS YOU POSTED...![Very Happy](/images/icon_biggrin.gif)
Originally by: Electric Universe Ok back to the Megathron.
The setup i use have 1x DC II, 3x MFS II, 2x EANM II's and one 1600mm Plate + 3x t1 Trimarks in low slot. The high slot are 7x Neutrons and one best named t1 RR. The guns also have Caldari Navy Antimatter L ammo.
BUT WHAT IS IN YOUR MIDS......![Very Happy](/images/icon_biggrin.gif)
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Posted - 2009.03.21 22:20:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 21/03/2009 22:24:21
Originally by: Electric Universe
That's what's in my mind.
I CANNOT SEE ANY MID SLOT FITTINGS ON THAT LINK APART FROM THESE BELOW.
Originally by: Electric Universe Ok back to the Megathron.
The setup i use have 1x DC II, 3x MFS II, 2x EANM II's and one 1600mm Plate + 3x t1 Trimarks in low slot. The high slot are 7x Neutrons and one best named t1 RR. The guns also have Caldari Navy Antimatter L ammo.
You claim to be a honest person and call others liars regularly and also say you are about balance and fixing things....so answer the question and post your FULL fit.
SO WHAT IS IN YOUR MIDS......![Very Happy](/images/icon_biggrin.gif)
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Posted - 2009.03.21 22:28:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 21/03/2009 22:36:06
Originally by: Electric Universe
Yeah the Mega is a little out of CPU before any cpu implants.
Fine then post your fit with CPU implants and including high, mid and low slot modules....try being honest for once in this thread.
And i do not need the geddon cos i have the baddon and its better.
Even with the lowest CPU web and point it is still 739.5/687.5. CPU from what i can see.
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Posted - 2009.03.21 22:56:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 21/03/2009 23:00:44
Originally by: Electric Universe
Yeah yeah, hold on.
Yes the Abaddon is better the CPU way, but in a comparsion your not gonna compare a Mega to an Abaddon anyways.
The Hyperion is the ship you have to compare the Abaddon with.
Ok, with cpu implants and that. Remember, this is without slave implants.
High-Slot:
7x T2 Neutrons with Caldari Navy Antimatter L 1x Best named T1 RR.
Med-Slot:
1x 100MN MWD II 1x Faint Disruptor 1x Fleeting Web 1x Medium Cap Booster II
Low-Slot:
1x DC II 2x EANM II's 1x 1600mm RTP 3x MFS II's
Rigs:
3x T1 Trimarks
Drones:
5x Ogre II
Implants that are used: Hardwiring - Zainou 'Gipsy' KMB-75 and Hardwiring - Zainou 'Gnome' KZA2000.
It's gets pretty expensive.
It gets bloody expensive. Try 200 mil for the implants...![Shocked](/images/icon_eek.gif)
MEGA RESISTS 75.1 67.6 67.6 55.1 resists VS ABAD RESISTS 81.3 75.7 71.9 70.1
mega has 20610 armour hp VS 24114.
mega has 96,866 EHP VS 134,371.
Mega has 133 more raw gun dps and 107 more drone dps.
To put it simply the ABADDON is not only many 100's of million cheaper its also a BETTER RR ship.
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Posted - 2009.03.21 23:25:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 21/03/2009 23:27:56
Originally by: Yakov Draken
I quick play gives me this no implants fit.
[Megathron, Plated remote rep 3x MFS] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Internal Force Field Array I Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Adaptive Nano Plating II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
100MN MicroWarpdrive II Conjunctive Magnetometric ECCM Scanning Array I Warp Scrambler II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I
Ogre II x5
Pretty damn brutal ship and the tracking completely outclasses the Abaddon up close. Not my favourite Mega setup but it is roughly what you guys were arguing about and not too pricey.
Its not a fit id use for several reasons, firstly no web so whatever tracking you thinks gonna get better dmg at close range over the abaddon in gang combat forget it.
Even standing a chance of slowing down secondary targets ect is also gone out the window although you will be nicely webbed by the baddons...so do not even think your getting close to your optimal against them.
Your armour HP and resists are poor compared to the abaddon and 93,711 EHP vs 134371 EHP will do you no favors at all.
Ok 103 raw gun dps more at 4.5km and 107 more drone dps but the abbadons higher resists would soak that up alone, let alone the buckets more EHP the abaddon has.
Id switch out the eccm for a web and fit a disruptor instead of a scram (if you use named you do not need a cpu implant) and go that way.
But its still not as good or as effective as the abaddon fit.
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Posted - 2009.03.21 23:37:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 21/03/2009 23:38:16
Originally by: Electric Universe
Originally by: Childstar But its still not as good or as effective as the abaddon fit.
But then your comparing a tier 3 ship to a tier 2 ship.
It's no a bomb that a tier 3 ship can be some few % better at SOMETHING than a tier 2 BS.
Now, if we are gonna do things right, then lets compare the Armageddon to the Megathron.
No we use the ships that can fit the desired modules and be used most effectivly in the specified role, and in this case its the abaddon that out shines by a good margin all the other BS including the mega and geddon as a gang RR boat.
If you wish to compare a hyperion RR setup to it go ahead and post one.
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Posted - 2009.03.21 23:47:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 21/03/2009 23:49:00
Originally by: Electric Universe
Originally by: Childstar
Originally by: Electric Universe
Originally by: Childstar But its still not as good or as effective as the abaddon fit.
But then your comparing a tier 3 ship to a tier 2 ship.
It's no a bomb that a tier 3 ship can be some few % better at SOMETHING than a tier 2 BS.
Now, if we are gonna do things right, then lets compare the Armageddon to the Megathron.
No we use the ships that can fit the desired modules and be used most effectivly in the specified role, and in this case its the abaddon that out shines by a good margin all the other BS including the mega and geddon as a gang RR boat.
Ok then, the Hyperion outshines the Abaddon then by a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge margin. Happy ?.
Wrong or if not post the RR hyperion fit and give us a laugh.
7 x NB t2 1 x solace RR
1 x 100mn mwd 1 x t2 point 2 x named webs 1 x t2 large cap injector
3 x mfs t2 1 x eanm t2 1 x 1600 plate 1 x dcu t2
4 x ogre t2's
95,240 ehp
LOL resists.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
133 more raw gun dps and 43 more drone dps.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.03.21 23:50:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 21/03/2009 23:55:16
Originally by: Electric Universe
Originally by: Chi Quan good luck comparing a rr-hype with the above abba ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) /me sits back and waits for the show
It's not about comparing RR. It's about comparing the tiers to each others.
And Child, take away that RR on that Hyperion., it doesn't need it.
So a hyperion gang with no RR vs a abaddon gang with RR...are you taking bets?..![Shocked](/images/icon_eek.gif)
Originally by: Electric Universe Plus your Hyperion setup sucks donkey ass.
Post a setup that works on a Hyperion instead.
Its a RR setup for a RR discussion, and its not the fit that sucks its the hype that sucks, the only place it actually gets to use its rep bonus is on sissi.
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Posted - 2009.03.21 23:58:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 21/03/2009 23:59:00
Originally by: Electric Universe
Originally by: Childstar
Originally by: Electric Universe
Originally by: Chi Quan good luck comparing a rr-hype with the above abba ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) /me sits back and waits for the show
It's not about comparing RR. It's about comparing the tiers to each others.
And Child, take away that RR on that Hyperion., it doesn't need it.
So a hyperion gang with no RR vs a abaddon gang with RR...are you taking bets?..![Shocked](/images/icon_eek.gif)
I'm taking the bet that the Hyperion is going to tank you to death and laught at you .
Hyperion is a LAR tanked BS.
So?, it can only fit 2 at best so the abaddon gang (you refered to 10 in the gangs earlier) have 10 RR + monster EHP and resists vs 10 hyperions with 2 lars each max and crap resists and ehp...lol get your check book ready.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.03.22 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: Electric Universe
Originally by: Childstar So?, it can only fit 2 at best so the abaddon gang (you refered to 10 in the gangs earlier) have 10 RR + monster EHP and resists vs 10 hyperions with 2 lars each max and crap resists and ehp...lol get your check book ready.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
When was a Hyperion an EHP ship?.
Compare the tier 3 to tier 3, nothing else.
When we start doing that, then i think we can find a bit more about how thing are.
We are comparing, the hyperion gang even with 2 lars fitted each could never tank the 10 abaddon gang, but the 10 abaddons with 1 RR fitted each and their high resists and ehp could easily tank the 10 hyperion gang then 9 hyperion gang...then 8...7...6....5...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.03.22 00:22:00 -
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Originally by: Yakov Draken
I'm sorry but this doesn't make any sense at all. This is a BS fit with a RR for using in a gang - it doesn't have to have a web. The gang has to have the web. We are not talking 1v1's here.
Look for the mega to do this so called great dmg your talking about it needs to be at at least 4.5km, not only that but it needs to be at 4.5km of every ship it fires on after it has killed the primary.
Meaning that if it lands with its blaster buddies on top of another gang your tackler may web the primary but the rest are going to burn away, meaning that the uber (although not that uber tbh) damage you are talking about can no longer be applied to the secondary targets and on and on.
And if that gang consists of RR abaddons they are going to be matching DPS with you AFTER resists at your optimal of 4.5km and outdamaging you AFTER resists at every other range above that as well as having more tank.
And yes up until a little while ago i flew blaster BS in low sec and 0.0, but that was because i had not finished training amarr...now i have..![Wink](/images/icon_wink.gif)
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Posted - 2009.03.22 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: Electric Universe
One Abaddon will NEVER tank 10 gank fitted Hyperions, even with RR's.
1029dps per hyperion x 10 = 10290dps - 73ish% (rough estimate of abaddons resists from its 75.7thern/71.9kin) = 2778.3 dps.
1011 dps per abaddon x 10 = 10110dps - 73ish% (rough estimate of hyperions resists from its 75.1% Em and 67.6% Thermal and kinetic) = 2729dps.
Only 50 or so dps in it when you take resists (roughly) into account.
Now look how much more 9 RR can rep compared to even druged and overheated lars as well as the massive more hp the abaddons have.....active tanks just do not cut it on TQ anymore for BS.
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Posted - 2009.03.22 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: Yakov Draken
You are one of many Gallente BS pilots to go this course including some high profile ones on this forum. It was fun reading about how they pwned in their shiny Abaddon, and then how they seemed to have trouble getting damage on targets up close, and then to see them back in local in Mega's. Gotta love FOTM.
I have never had trouble hitting other BS in any of the pulse BS, especially those that are sitting on a gate waiting to deagro.
Originally by: Yakov Draken Amarr is cool - Abaddons rock. So does a Mega. We have pilots of both in our corp and this is a good thing. On the whle I prefer the Mega as piracy suits high damage approaches - kill quick (before they de-aggro etc) and get out.
I have found that over all the pulse do more dps as they can fit 3 dmg mods as well as the fact they do not get reduced dmg because of the need to approach a 4.5km optimal, but can hit for high dmg from the start.
Originally by: Yakov Draken These 10 vs 10 faceups you keep talking about don't have much to do with Eve pvp.
I agree and while i did not coin the idea or introduce it it does give a better indication than a BS gang ganging a muppet in a BC that just jumped through a gate...![Wink](/images/icon_wink.gif) ![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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Posted - 2009.03.22 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: Yakov Draken
Originally by: Childstar active tanks just do not cut it on TQ anymore for BS.
I'm a huge fan of passive tanks and RR but please kill the cliche's. Not everyone flies in a gang all the time. Some people actually do solo pvp and kill stuff - yeah I know its supposed to be dead but it is not. Passive RR fits don't cut it solo - just saying.
Be honest if you are going solo pvping you first choice is no longer a BS is it?.
It has bloody awful lock speed, its dmg can be kited by almost every class smaller than itself or those smaller targets can easily get away if they also have a web and mwd fitted.
In fact the only targets it has are other BS that are naturally a little slower than its is after they have webbed each other and hit their mwds.
Yea i know you can use the mwd killing scram but be honest even with that the era of solo BS work is virtually dead as their are much better ships of other classes that have a much larger target selection to choose from. Now some of these smaller classes that solo can fit active tanks to do it ok.
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Posted - 2009.03.22 09:47:00 -
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Originally by: Childstar Now look how much more 9 RR can rep compared to even druged and overheated lars as well as the massive more hp the abaddons have.....active tanks just do not cut it on TQ anymore for BS.
Originally by: Electric Universe Yeah if the Abaddons even have the time to lock and start a rep before 10 gank Hyperions have killed one Abaddon.
1. The ships have roughly the same lock time.
2. After the resists on the abaddon the 10 hyperions will be doing only 2700 dps with PERFECT conditions...givivg plenty of time for the baddons to RR each other.
Originally by: Electric Universe BUT, when you comes to solo PVP and very small gang PVP, then active repping can be very good.
So saying active repping is not good or anything used on TQ now is a lie. It's still being used.
Solo active tanking BS charging around killing things in empire, low sec or 0.0 is probably the rarest form of pvp in the game. And the reason for that is because the available targets for solo a BS hovers around 0, while the number ships that can easily kite and hold it long enough for buddies to arrive or just kite and kill is MASSIVE.
Do not get me wrong i wish this was not the truth but that does not change the fact it is.
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Posted - 2009.03.22 10:06:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 22/03/2009 10:05:49
Originally by: Childstar
And obviosly the cap and damage bonuses for not needing to burn towards each target.
Originally by: Goumindong You obviously don't understand how RR gangs work. Nor do you understand the cap use on lasers...
I understand fine as i have flown in loads, mostly in blaster BS actually.
And if i weanted my megas to do their 4.5km max dmg i needed to burn towards targets in a fight and use my mwd to do it or slow burn doing lower dps, that is a basic fact of blaster combat.
The cap use on lasers is not important as a booster easily takes care of it.
Originally by: Goumindong Also, a 1 MFS megathron is very inefficient, you give up more DPS than you gain in EHP.
Tell that to nightmares alt its his fit not mine.
Originally by: Goumindong Furthermore, the Megathron has a much larger ability to either project DPS with its drones(5x sentries), or repair(5x heavy rep drones)
The mega can fit 5 sentry drones the baddon can fit 3, so the mega does 120 more raw drone dmg AT RANGE using sentries and 133 more raw gun dmg at 4.5km if it uses 3 mag stabs....big whoop.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.03.22 10:41:00 -
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Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: Childstar
And if i weanted my megas to do their 4.5km max dmg i needed to burn towards targets in a fight and use my mwd to do it or slow burn doing lower dps, that is a basic fact of blaster combat.
1/10, try harder next time.
Il tell you what you fly blaster ships for a few years then come on here and tell ppl what they are like ok?.
Originally by: Goumindong
So you're saying that a 25% more raw damage is not an advantage?
Considering the available range for that extra dmg vs the abaddons available range for its dmg and the comparative tanks/resists that the mega and abaddon have especially when the mega fits the 3 mag stabs to achieve that extra dmg id say its very poor.
The abaddon it just the better RR ship deal with it.
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Posted - 2009.03.22 11:06:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 22/03/2009 11:11:46
Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: Childstar
1. The ships have roughly the same lock time.
10 Hyperions might not have the DPS to get it done, but the issue involved is not what the relative lock times are. The issue is that you have no way to know who they are going to shoot. When you're in an RR gang you can only start locking once the other side is doing damage and you can only start RRing after that. And the armor takes 4.25 seconds to get there after you lock(assuming overloaded RR's)
Wrong you can start locking your buddies for RR as soon as the hostile ships start locking them as targetting shows on overviews, you may need to wait for the first volley from the first ship to know who to rep (although my money would be on the first ship they started to lock as ppl call primary, secondary ect ect in order) but you will certainly know who of your buddies to lock as soon as the hypies start locking them.
Basic error dude get more xp in actual combat...
So as soon as the first hype fires on your buddy (proly on the first of your ships he locks as most ppl lock the primary first then the secondary ect ect) you can start repping, so at best the hypies are gonna get two volleys for the first remote rep cycle.
Oh and do not forget to factor in that it is not a 1 sided fight with the abaddons only being able to lock and rep each other (who would make that basic paper tiger error?...oh wait...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ).
Originally by: Goumindong EFT tells me that it will take 8 seconds to lock your abaddon without an mwd turned on(4 seconds turned on), so you're going to get about 3-4 volleys off from initial damage to when the reps start landing. Assuming your DPS numbers are correct(and i doubt them, but eh), you get about 13-17 equivalent seconds of DPS from the Hyperions, 35073-46764 raw damage, which would leave the Abaddons without about 8000 to negative 2800 hit points left(real number on the top side will be a lot less because this counts the 8750 shield the same as the armor and structure)
The abaddons will have locked the hypies and be firing at the same time even in the worst case for the abaddons as fast as the hypies locked and fired, or in the best case for the abaddons they lock faster as the megas need to mwd burn into optimal range. Oh and the obvious fact that ALL the hypies need to be at perfect optimal ranges as soon as they start firing to do the FULL dps you are talking about.
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Posted - 2009.03.22 11:21:00 -
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Id also be interested in seeing the full twin rep hyperion fit you and others are going on about.
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Posted - 2009.03.22 12:33:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 22/03/2009 12:33:09
Originally by: Goumindong
A: Where are you fighting?
Rather broad and unspecific question, do you mean empire, low sec, 0.0 or gates, belts, stations?.
Are you refering to the ship type in question needing to be at a very close range to be effective and so almost always needing to warp in on and/or burn towards each of its oposing targets during the fight, or ships with a more versitile range?.
Do you include factors like the oposing gangs ability to gain distance during a fight reducing the DPS of ships needing to be in close?.
I think all these and others should be considered tbh..
Originally by: Goumindong B: How much EHP did you give up to get it?
Ehp is relative to the ammount you had in the first place and the amount you still have compared to other ships in your class.
The 3x HS RR abaddon fits has: 134,371 EHP. The 3x MS RR megathron fit has: 93,711 EHP
Originally by: Goumindong C: What effect does resistances have on the equation.
Shield resists and HP: The RR 3 x HS abad has 12.5em, 30thr, 47.5kin, 56.3ex and 8750 hp. The RR 3 x MS mega has 11.5em, 29.2thr, 46.9kin, 55.8ex and 7764 hp.
The RR 3 x HS abad has 81.3em, 75.7thr, 71.9kin, 70.1ex. The 3x HS RR abaddon fits has 24144 armour HP with those resists.
The RR 3 x MS mega has 74.3em, 66.5thr, 66.5kin, 53.7ex. (needed a amarr navy eanm and a best named DCU to fit the mega btw). The 3x MS RR megathron fit has 20619 armour HP with those resists.
Hull resists and HP:
The RR 3 x HS abad has 60% resists on all and 10,000 hp.
The RR 3 x MS mega has 58% resists on all and 9375 HP.
The damage done and ranges are:
The RR 3 x HS Abad fit does 802 raw gun dps out to 15km and 210 drone dps (180 with sentries).
The RR 3 x MS mega fit does 935 raw gun dps out to 4.5km and 317 drone dps (300 with sentries).
Abaddon wins...![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
The end.
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Posted - 2009.03.22 13:18:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 22/03/2009 13:25:42
Originally by: Electric Universe
Stats wise yeah, but does it wins PVP wise?, mmmmmmmmmm not so sure about that.
When you start to compare a tier 3 ship to a tier 2 ship, it's ofc no suprises that the tier 3 ship gets out with the best stats .
But the stats is not telling how the ship will be in real PVP. Or some stats will tell how it will be.
Im not comparing tier 1 to tier 2 or 3 im comparing available and viable RR BS by race and the abaddon is by far the best.
3 main points without going into too much detail.
1. Better resists against all forms of dmg and so better at tanking ALL the other races dmg types (mega 53.7 explosive resist on armour lol).
2. Much larger EHP/armour/shiled/hull with those resists.
3. Much greater available damage range so no need to limit its available combat to close range warpins and/or burn after moving targets.
Just a bucket tonne better combat vehicle for RR gangs than the mega.
PS: The only thing that nightmareX/you have ever proved is your lack of knowledge about TQ BS pvp and over these last few pages your lack of knowledge about not only how to fit a RR mega but also your lack of initial honesty in posting the problem with fitting it.
At least eventually you grew a pair and fessed up and that actually scored you a lot more points than what you are trying to do now and make vague comments about "real pvp" with no content in the hopes of discrediting the facts.
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Posted - 2009.03.22 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: Electric Universe
1. So when your in Blaster ships, you need a Covert Ops in your gang that can go to a posistion where we can warp in to him at 50 km for example and then land right on top of the enemies. This is very important to get done for the Blaster ships, no matter what we have to use to get close to the enemies. If we fail to get right on top of the enemies, we might aslo lose the whole fight.
Warping in at any range to a gang requires a cov ops to get position, unless the oposing gang is in a warpable position. If the oposing gang is not in a easily warpable position the cov ops requirement is always needed to give a gang the initial advantage over one of a differant range.
Originally by: Electric Universe 2. You also need to know whos your primary and secondary 3rd target & 4th target before you warp in and start the fight. If not, your going to lose seconds, and losing seconds with Blasters is not a good idea.
Also nice knowledge to have no matter the gang type, although pre-calling targets especially in a blaster gang can be a bad idea as the targets may have moved position slightly by the time you exit warp and it does not take much distance to reduce blaster DPS.
Originally by: Electric Universe 3. Everybody in gang that have web and disruptors need to know that they have to spread out on the points and webs after we have warped in, so they don't get so fast out of the Blasters range.
You see you did learn something from this thread, have you considered though how long the supposed gang you are fighting would need to sit still while you, get position, assign each of your ships a single target to web ect ect?.
Originally by: Electric Universe 4. All have to shoot the primary when the FC have said shoot the primary. I know that someone that starts to shoot the secondary long before the primary are dead, so that's wrong. Well this mostly applies to all gangs though, not just this gang.
It pretty much applies to all close range turret gangs, missile/torp users can switch if they are experianced enough and can compare the dmg the target is taking to its weapons flight time.
Originally by: Electric Universe 5. Everybody need to make sure that their drones are on the right targets, also on the targets that are been called to be shoot by the FC.
6. Everybody in the gang need to stay close to each others if you want to be RR'ed by the other ships.
Pretty basic gang combat instructions tbh and hardly things that are only applicable to blaster gangs.
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Posted - 2009.03.22 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: Electric Universe
Child, no no, i'm just saying that if you fail at doing 1 of those things right with Blaster BS'es, you will most likely screw up things 754856930 times faster than you do with Amarr BS'es.
With Laser ships, you can just press F1-F8 and watch the fireworks in most situations. But with Blaster fitted ships, you have to be extremely carefull on what your doing. Do one mistake and you might end up dead.
But on the other hand, if your doing everything right and know what your doing, then the Blaster Megas for example will be a VERY VERY hard nut to crack. No matter what the stats on the ships is.
A gang of equal or smaller size all bunched up in a system long enough for your blaster gang (that also can be seen on local) to get their covops to make a warpin position and for you assign the first 1-4 ships to kill and also long enough for you to devide up each of the other ships to a seperate gang member for tertiary webbing/tackling?.
Oh and they cannot be moving or orbiting anything or they will be out of blaster optimal damage range or at least find it easy to burn out as your gang lands?.
Good luck finding anything like that tbh.
Originally by: Electric Universe And to your response to my number 3 Child. I didn't learn anything from this topic about number 3, this was something that i already did know ages before this topic even was made.
Actually you have learned you cannot fit a RR mega the way you want to and that it is nowhere near as good as you thought it was.
Your post about the 2 LAR hyperion was also totally unrealistic considering that with just its 8 x nuetrons and 2 lars fitted it is using more PG than it has with lvl5 skills 21613.6/19687.5 and that is without a mwd or cap injector let alone the CPU needs for those 5 mids and the low slot tank/modules.
So tbh fella all you have really shown in this thread is that you do not know how to even fit gallente BS let alone fly them and also that it is you who looks at a single stat (be it resist or dmg type/ammount) and makes wild claims about them and the ability of the ships with them.
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Posted - 2009.03.22 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: ChalSto
Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: ChalSto To kill that "Blasters do about 30% more dmg than Lasers"-commend once and for all (and for everyone to understand):
The net-dmg "advantage" of a Bthron over an abddon/geddon on realistic TQ-combat scenario is 3%.
This is not true.
Dont cut my posts to twist them for your false informations and experiences. I¦ve posted clear and honest and for everyone to understand.
Yea well thats gourmie for you...![Wink](/images/icon_wink.gif)
I have not done the math exactly but considering how the standardly fit RR mega has such gimped resists and HP 74.3em, 66.5thr, 66.5kin, 53.7ex on 20619 HP. Against the abaddon with 81.3em, 75.7thr, 71.9kin, 70.1ex on 24144 HP.
Id say that the blasters getting 30% more damage than lasers comments that have been thrown around are rather exhagerated and the exact figure is actually considerably less.
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Posted - 2009.03.22 18:12:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 22/03/2009 18:14:43
Originally by: Goumindong
Quote: Ehp is relative to the ammount you had in the first place and the amount you still have compared to other ships in your class.
Is that why you won't answer the question?
The question is answered, now if it is not answered in the way you want it to be answered or if the answer is just not to your liking i suggest you get over it or ask better and more clear question.
Or just grow a pair and make whatever statment or point you think your question should provoke.
Originally by: Goumindong Effect, i want to know what effect resistance has. I do not care for raw numbers that mean nothing.
Fine the effect of the resists on the mega is that the mega tanks poorly and especially against explosive when compared to the abbadons resists that give great coverage against all.
Originally by: Goumindong I have done the math, and yea, its about 35% more DPS after resistances. Hell, i've presented the math for you to go over in this thread.
Its not exaggerated(example target was a low hit point value armageddon). You're wrong.
Like anybody believes you anymore, you play with words and numbers all to avoid the truth in every thread you post in...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.03.22 18:21:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 22/03/2009 18:22:20
Originally by: Seishi Maru The funny part is after all that arguing about the mega vs abadon, the "horrible"typhoon can still defeat both :P
I have never seen a gang of RR phoons or even just a standard gang of them for that matter whats the fit?.
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Posted - 2009.03.22 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: Chi Quan
Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: Childstar
I have not done the math exactly but considering how the standardly fit RR mega has such gimped resists and HP 74.3em, 66.5thr, 66.5kin, 53.7ex on 20619 HP. Against the abaddon with 81.3em, 75.7thr, 71.9kin, 70.1ex on 24144 HP.
Id say that the blasters getting 30% more damage than lasers comments that have been thrown around are rather exhagerated and the exact figure is actually considerably less.
I have done the math, and yea, its about 35% more DPS after resistances. Hell, i've presented the math for you to go over in this thread.
Its not exaggerated(example target was a low hit point value armageddon). You're wrong.
post the fits Goumindong, come on, after EU/NightXs fit, it can only get better.
It will be interesting to see just what the fit is and how many ships actually use it, i mean we know now that the RR mega has a gimped tank due to fitting/cpu constraints and that the baddon has the mother of all resist/hp/ehp tanks.
So it remains to be seen what this 35% tank actually is and what ships actually regularly use it.
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Posted - 2009.03.22 19:42:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 22/03/2009 19:42:37
Originally by: Seishi Maru Edited by: Seishi Maru on 22/03/2009 19:25:43
Originally by: Childstar Edited by: Childstar on 22/03/2009 18:22:20
Originally by: Seishi Maru The funny part is after all that arguing about the mega vs abadon, the "horrible"typhoon can still defeat both :P
I have never seen a gang of RR phoons or even just a standard gang of them for that matter whats the fit?.
L soalce 3x 800MM II 4 Siege II
TP II Web best named Med cap booster II MWD T1
BCU II EXP hardener II kin hardener II Thermal Hardener II Adaptive Nano plating II DC II 1600 RT
trimarks
Ogres II or sentries II
854 DPS almost all EXPLOSIVE (that makes huge difference)
Armor resists 72.5% 79.3% 76.1% 71.3% on 18382 HP ( effective total HP 104615)
Can fight longer since uses no cap to fire (a minor but real advantage)
The flight time of torps is irrelevant on very close range (and if you are comparing Blaster ships then you are in very close range)
Needs no faction neither implant to fit. And its a CHEAP tier 1 BS. It lacks a point because not all RR BS needs to have a point to keep the primary on place, also the TP helps every other member on gang as well.
I doubt a gang of those would beat a RR abaddon gang but considering the RR mega fit has crappy explosive resists (53%) it would dish out mayor hurt on them.
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Posted - 2009.03.22 20:19:00 -
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Originally by: Seishi Maru
Originally by: Childstar
I doubt a gang of those would beat a RR abaddon gang but considering the RR mega fit has crappy explosive resists (53%) it would dish out mayor hurt on them.
Maybe yes maybe no. The difference on trackign up close is huge on this case ( remember to compare both ships signatures and speeds). But again its a MAYBE.
But on cost efficiency its still very very good
Yup, no doubt at all that its a very nice fit that i do like a lot, it has plenty going for it including a choice of dmg type with those torps.
Not only that but it blows yet another hole in gourmies "35% more dmg vs tanks" that blasters are supposed to be getting on tanks in EVE as it has better therm/kin resists than em/therm.
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Posted - 2009.03.22 20:46:00 -
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Originally by: Seishi Maru On other hand.. the megathron handles VERY nicely when you need a LONG range RR ship. The half sniper/half RR gang.
The only time i have used RR and snipers at the same time was when i spent a bit of time killing ships at POS's using jump bridges ect and we used full logistic ships for that.
Snipers to stay out of range of the web/point batteries on the POS and logistics to tank the rather nasty DMG from the POS guns.
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Posted - 2009.03.22 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Yakov Draken
I dunno why so many people can't figure this out:
A- Remote reps are short range B- Blasters are short range C- RR fights are short range D- Blasters rock in RR fights E- RR BS are pretty damn pwn so blasters rock.
Ok now i agreed with you for A and B, but for C i kinda agree but not that close range means at blasters 4.5km optimal or even near it and as such D is not acurate when you consider the RR mega fit and its limited range of good damage.
And E makes no sense at all and is not part of any logical progression i can even think of.
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Posted - 2009.03.22 22:20:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 22/03/2009 22:26:21
Originally by: Yakov Draken
RR gangs sit close together and are the easisest target to get close to in the game. Really the range of RR's should answer this but seeing as it doesn't:
The range of RR's means a RR gang needs to be close together to their own members not the hostile ships.
Originally by: Yakov Draken 1. RR BS gang sitting on gate - another RR BS gang warps in to fight it and they both start shooting. People are between 0-6k's apart and the main issue is missing by being to close.
Id say being 0-6km apart is a bit of a streach when both gangs have a 8km available range they can use from the ship they are repping, but in all honesty it is likely that they are going to be reasonably close together if they are both flying a mixed gang.
Originally by: Yakov Draken 2. RR BS gang jumps through gate to attack RR BS gang on gate. Gang jumping in approaches gate to get close enough for their circle jerk and short range pwnage ensues.
The gate is a good marker to use to gather together for RR but scouting on both sides would allow those jumping in and those on the gate to both attempt to manouver to a position that suited their gangs make up and range.
Originally by: Yakov Draken 3. RR BS gang undocks and opens up on RR BS gang sitting on undock and close range pwnage ensues.
The undocking ships i agree have no choice where they start the engagment but then the primary targets the ships outside the station will target are those with the easiest tank to break, and those camping the station can be sitting off at range quite easily or at the very least the laser ships can.
Originally by: Yakov Draken These scenario's happen a lot in real combats - this is not me making up examples but describing how we fight. RR ships like sitting on gates/stations as it means they can de-aggro and jump out/dock up plus it is the rally point for getting everyone close for the RR's.
I agree these types of fights happen a lot i disagree with your assertion of the definitive ranges involved, a RR gang sitting on a gate in a stationary clump can naturally select the targets that jump in and break cloak closest to it while also continuing to target the closest ship to it (megas needing to burn close to do their higher dmg being the naturally favored targets).
While the laser ships jumping in can approach the gate lock the primary and ship they need to RR without the need to burn closer than 8 km from the ship they need to rep.
The megas outside the station also need to sit in a position that is around or within 4.5km of the undock/lockable point, while again the laser ships can sit 8km beyond the megas position for RR duty while still able to do their full damage.
Originally by: Yakov Draken Btw Mega's don't have weak tanks compared to other RR BS's. They have roughtly the same as most - sometimes weaker, sometimes better, depending on setup.
From ppls fits so far and the races shown (mini, gallente, amarr) the megathron has the worst time with fittings and has the poorest resists and ehp the domi's tank was ok, in fact very good but not much use for low sec as gate guns chew up drones.
The problem with the mega fit is if you trade up for even a reasonable tank you reduce its dmg and visa versa.
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Posted - 2009.03.22 23:07:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 22/03/2009 23:14:50
Originally by: Seishi Maru On the subject... i think is important to discover if the mega looses because its hard to fit or whatever else.
So would like to bring up to be compared a Dominix
DOMI FIT.
Want to point only that focusing in a single pair of ships might get to nowhere. Sometimes looking at similar ships might help to find out where the real problem lies.
Its a nice tank thats certain but then not fitting dmg mods and with 7 low slots available you gotta expect that. 450 thermal dmg out to 30km and a max of 824 at 3.8km is not great DMG by a long chalk even compared to lasers.
A bit useless for pirate gate camping in low sec for obvious reasons but thats the only major down side to the fit.
PS: Oh and the mega fails in RR because if it ups its tank it gimps its dmg and if it ups its dmg it gimps its tank and its the ship that needs to spend most of its life in every shiup in the hostile gangs optimal range.
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Posted - 2009.03.22 23:25:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 22/03/2009 23:24:47
Originally by: Seishi Maru I would not be THAT much worried about massive damage on a RR gang. IN fact more likely would drop that electron for a second RR. My experience on RR gangs is that surviving the volley from enemy combined with effective RR (resists, ECCM and the ammount of reps in gang) in the long run is the decisive factor.
With 2 RR on each dominix of that type a gang of 5 WILL wipe the floor with the very ganky RR megatrons. Also is very resilent to falcons both due to drones AND ECCM. Real fights have much more variables than 5 vs 5 encounters of gangs with homogeneous ships and setups :P
I agree with most if not all of this and im not to concerned about massive DMG either thats why i prefer the abaddon RR fit.
Originally by: Seishi Maru And that is also the main reason why the ammar BS have an advantage right now on RR gangs. The range allows it to cover more scenarios.
1011 raw dps out to 15km and 849 out to 45km with a very nice tank makes it a very useable ship.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: Goumindong
I am sorry, the "fit"? You made a statement about a weapon, i corrected the statement about the weapon.
We have already seen nightmareX/electrics way of posting stats about weapons and abilities that the ships cannot reasonably fit and in some casses even stand a chance in hell of fitting, so weapons and available fits go hand in hand.
Originally by: Goumindong
Gourmies RRmega/mega fit...has:
73.4, 65.5, 65.5, 52.2 for 115,436 EHP. 832 DPS at 4.5KM + 300 dps from garde T2.
Abaddon fit with RR. 81, 75.7, 71.9, 70.1 for 134,371 EHP. 802 DPS at 15km + 180 dps from garde T2.
or
76.1, 68.9, 64.1, 61.7 with 138,344 EHP. 802 DPS at 15km + 180 dps from garde T2.
Originally by: Goumindong
Gourmies RR hyperion fit...
76.6, 69.6, 69.6, 58 for 113,481 HP. 950 DPS at 4.5km + 240 dps from garde T2.
Both GALLENTE BS fits use a med sized cap injector.
Abaddon fit with 8 MP T2. 81, 75.7, 71.9, 70.1 for 134,371 EHP. 916 DPS at 15km + 180 dps from garde T2.
or
76.1, 68.9, 64.1, 61.7 with 138,344 EHP. 916 DPS at 15km + 180 dps from garde T2.
Now considering that a lot of preaching has been going on about "omni tanks" and "35% moar DMG from blasters" ect ect a LOT of people have been posts RR and other fits on this thread.
And it is plain to see that a lot of the fits do not have this mythical "35% omni tank" and a lot of the tanks people use in fact have higher resists to thermal and kinetic damage than they do EM, the phoon and domi fits are prime examples of this.
Not only that but the fitting issues on the mega and hyperion also force them to use 2 DMG mods instead of three that further reduces its damage relative to lasers ect and even after sacrificing that DMG mod it still has very large holes in its tank (52.2% explosive resist is pitiful tbh).
So we have 2 ships that have considerably weaker tanks than their peers that are doing marginally more RAW dmg at VASTLY smaller ranges and those DMG types are not the " better choice" as ppl have been led to believe but are in fact in a lot of casses against regularly used ships either no benifit at all or actually the worse to use.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: Hell'n
I'm not the sisi warrior, so why would I be bitter about you failing? ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) Keep biting, it's funny.
I think NightmareX needs a ladder, that hole he's in is pretty deep. Strange thing is, he keeps digging. ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
A liar caught is still a liar bud....
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Posted - 2009.03.23 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: Seishi Maru Want proof that tempest need boost?
It has 6 turrets with 2 damage bonus. So it shoudl be a very good candidate for a RR gagn with 2 RR required? Wrong...
Nope it poor as a RR gang ship, your phoon fit is better and im trying to get a eanm on it some how but its a little to tight..![Confused](/images/icon_confused.gif)
Originally by: Seishi Maru You can fit a megatron with exactly same setup (minus 1 ECCM) and still fit an extra 1600 RT plate. AND deal more damage.. WAY more damage even after drop one of your turrets.
The best i got out of the pest is 931dps with yuck resists and 99,006 EHP.
Originally by: Seishi Maru Give it 125/125 drone bay /bandwidth.... AC problemss solved. Give arties a 50% larger clip and make Track computer and tracking enhancers boost falloff. Arties problem solved.
The drone bay idea is ok, the ammo clip for arties im not sure about and i think that arties need help in the range department but changing comps ect so drastically with effect the oither sniper ships so i think another idea may be needed for that.
But just cos i think the solution for a few of those problems is not good does not mean i think that a solution is not needed as it most certainly is.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Seishi Maru Well truth be told. While the EANM + DC tank sis not in ALL scenarios. It is very common and you could say about half of the ships will be fitted like that giving larger resists against EM and thermal. But a GOOD setup on a RR gag should have better resists than that and have at least the explosive hole covered (on gallente ships for example).
Its a tank that CAN be fitted on certain ships but the main point is that the mega/RRmega fit has to remaove a dmg mod to do so effectivly and so does the hyperion, the domi and phoon have higher thermal and kinetic resists.
Also the fact that for most of the ppl like gourmie and nightmareX/electric the "35%" banner they have been waving involved blasters doing much higher raw dmg than they are actually capable of doing with the available fits they have compared to simularly fitted lasers.
So we have less than stated raw gun dps coupled with a weaker all around tank and rather less ships around that are fitting the tank that they are supposed to be the "prefered system" to use against.
Originally by: Seishi Maru Blasters do need some love, AC need love, arties need love. Neither need huge love. Just a tiny bit and they become competitive against torps, pulses,beams, rails etc....
Nobody is asking for big changes just fixes.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Seishi Maru
The typhoon you can get an EANM easy... Change DC II for the best named and the target painter for best named and drop 800mm into dual 650mm... just don't know if its worth.
I was trying to do it with the best named/low cpu mid slot stuff and a low isk cpu implant ect, but not changing the the DCU2 or gun as it defeats the perpose a bit.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 11:59:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 23/03/2009 12:01:08
Originally by: Seishi Maru
Originally by: Childstar
Originally by: Seishi Maru
The typhoon you can get an EANM easy... Change DC II for the best named and the target painter for best named and drop 800mm into dual 650mm... just don't know if its worth.
I was trying to do it with the best named/low cpu mid slot stuff and a low isk cpu implant ect, but not changing the the DCU2 or gun as it defeats the perpose a bit.
Another option 4 AC 3 siege . Change BCU per Gyro II. Lots of free cpu now. Loose like 30 dps to get 5k more effective HP.
Im not sure i think thats the better fit and especially considering the siege have a full choice of dmg types vs targets and that little that 30 eft dps will easily be accounted for and overcome by loading the perfect dmg type before the battle.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 14:50:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 23/03/2009 14:51:36
/waits for both gourmie and nightmareX/electric to start blubbing feeble excuses...![ugh](/images/icon_bear.gif)
Oh oh this is way to good to be wasted on a old page..
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Posted - 2009.03.23 14:52:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 23/03/2009 14:55:34
Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: Childstar
Gourmies RRmega/mega fit...has:
73.4, 65.5, 65.5, 52.2 for 115,436 EHP. 832 DPS at 4.5KM + 300 dps from garde T2.
Abaddon fit with RR. 81, 75.7, 71.9, 70.1 for 134,371 EHP. 802 DPS at 15km + 180 dps from garde T2.
I neither understand what you're trying to say nor understand what you did to my fits
I did nothing to your fits i pointed out the DPS, its available range (that you again cut out RE-ADDED), the EHP and the gaping holes in the resistances of the mega compared to the abaddon.
Originally by: Goumindong Also, according to your numbers before resistanecs the mega has 15% more DPS and the abaddons 16% more DPS. Which means that after resistances, the homogeneous mega gang will wipe the floor with your baddons. Resistance has a roughly 15% spread towards blasters and away from lasaers... 1.15 x 1.15=1.3225. Irony, thy name is Childstar.
Ok its ownage time...![Very Happy](/images/icon_biggrin.gif)
1. The drones do thermal only damage.
2. Your fit shows the mega doing 30 more raw GUN DPS and that is LESS THAN 3.8% more raw GUN DPS than the abaddon.
3. The abaddon has 75.7 thermal and 71.9 kinetic resists and the mega does 58% more kinetic DMG with its guns than thermal so including the drones and after the abaddons resists:
The mega starts with 7 guns and RR with 832 gun dps and 300 drone dps to be assigned.
300 thermal drone dmg from gaurd less 75.7% = 72.9 DPS. 482.56 kinetic damage from its guns less 71.9% = 135.6 DPS. 394.44 thermal damage from its guns less 75.7% = 84.9 DPS.
THE MEGA GETS A TOTAL OF 293.4 MAX DPS AT 4.5KM vs THE ABADDON.
4. Your mega has 73.4 em, 65.5 thermal resists and the abaddon does 58% more EM dmg with its guns than thermal so including the drones and after the megas resists:
The abaddon starts with 7 guns and RR with 802 gun dps and 180 drone dps to be assigned.
180 thr drone dmg less 65.5% = 62.1 DPS. 465.16 gun em damage less 73.4% = 123.8 DPS. 336.84 gun th damage less 65.5% = 116.2 DPS. THE ABAD GETS A TOTAL OF 302.1 MAX DPS AT 15KM vs YOUR MEGA.
![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
So wheres the 35% now pal?.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
THE ABAD GETS A TOTAL OF 302.1 MAX DPS AFTER RESISTS AT 15KM vs YOUR MEGA. THE MEGA GETS A TOTAL OF 293.4 MAX DPS AFTER RESISTS AT 4.5KM vs THE ABAD.
The mega actually has 3% LESS DPS and 300% less range, and a WEAK 52.2% explosive resist hole and also has 18% LESS EHP.
OWNED.![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
The end.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 15:22:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 23/03/2009 15:25:35
Originally by: Electric Universe
Can i ask why you are comparing Blaster Mega at 4.5 km and then compare a Laser Abaddon at 15 km.
Hey smartpants. Compare 4.5 km to 4.5 km.
The blaster ship only has a optimal of 0-4.5km at its max available damage.
While the laser ship has a 0-15km optimal at its max available damage.
Is this the best you can do?....you know for somebody who goes on about "proof" ect you really do not like it when it does not suit your preferances do you?..![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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Posted - 2009.03.23 15:30:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 23/03/2009 15:31:40
Originally by: Electric Universe
But then we can for sure say that your doing things here terribly wrong .
Good work for showing that you can't do the right math and do the right things when it's about comparing ships etc.
The math is fine.
T2 Pulse with faction MF get 0-15km optimal. T2 nuets with faction AM get 0-4.5km optimal.
And the damage amounts given for each ship are using those ammo types.
Try harder.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 15:57:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 23/03/2009 16:02:33
Originally by: Electric Universe
Try harder to do the math at 4.5 km with both ships.
At 4.5km the mega does raw 832 gun dps + 300 raw drone dps.
At 4.5km the abad does raw 802 gun dps + 180 raw drone dps.
The actual DMG after each ships resists and damage types are taken into account:
The abad gets a total of 302.1 DPS at 4.5km vs the mega. The mega gets a total of 293.4 DPS at 4.5km vs the mega.
The abad can continue to do its 302.1 damage against the mega out to 15km.
While the megas 293.4 damage drops off considerably as it goes beyond 4.5km.
Any transversal issues reducing dmg will be non existant due to multiple webs as well as the relative positions of each gangs ships, while in general RR gang combat that includes other ships like the RR phoon fit ect the mega is also at a major disadvantage as it has awful EX resists as well as lower EHP than the abaddon.
The points about the megas holed tank and EHP were mentioned in the original post, and transversal not being even a slight issue in close range BS gang combat is obvious to all.
Maybe you should try reading the original post a little more carefully?.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 16:33:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 23/03/2009 16:34:48
Originally by: Electric Universe
Yeah, your tripple HS II fitted Abaddon are doing a total of 302.1 DPS at 4.5km vs the mega. While you compare that to a one MFS II fitted Blaster mega that does the total of 293.4 DPS at 4.5km vs the mega.
Wow, talk about being smart ass .
As i told you before you should read more carefully.
It was gourmindongs 2 MFS RR MEGA/STD MEGA fit that the blaster DMG and resistance figures were taken from not the 1 MFS fit.
And it was my 7 x pulse 3 x HS abaddon fit the laser DMG and resistance figures were also taken from.
Both ships and fits are readily available to each race.
Originally by: Electric Universe Maybe you should read this: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1016708&page=36#1063
A post initially about the phoon and using two RR instead of one...., and later commenting on how blasters are supposed to be "a brutal face pwnage system".
A comment that has now been proven totally wrong when it is compared to the abaddon as after resists are taken into account the RR abaddon out damages gourmies mega fit at the megas own optimal.
Originally by: Electric Universe And this: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1016708&page=36#1074
Ok so he is talking about putting twin RR on a mega, il go over the figures and do another comparison.
Originally by: Electric Universe When you see that this is how things are, then we are going to listen to you. But atm your doing nothing more than EFT warrioring and e-peen stroking on who have the highest EHP etc etc.
Who are you to talk about how things are?????, yesterday you did not know how to even fit a mega with a single RR let alone two.
And as far as your idea of a hyperion fit goes it was a joke FFS you slapped 8 T2 nuets and 2 LARS on and it ran out of PG before you even fitted a single module in its mid slots or any plates/resistances...
You know nothing about this topic and never did you are just a alt of a troll that got banned.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 17:20:00 -
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Twin RR mega vs Twin RR abaddon.
The twin RR mega has a max dmg out put of 713 gun dps that is 58% kinetic and 42% thermal and 300 sentry drone dps that is thermal.
300 thermal drone dps less 75.7% = 72.9 dps. 413.54 kinetic gun dps less 71.9% = 116.2 dps. 299.04 thermal gun dps less 75.7% = 72.6 dps.
The mega hits the abaddon for a total of 261.7 dps from 0-4.5km after resists.
The twin RR abaddon has a max dmg output of 687 gun dps that is 58% em and 42% thermal and 180 sentry drone dps that is thermal
180 thermal drone dps less 65.5% = 62.10 dps. 398.46 em gun damage less 73.4% = 105.99 dps. 288.54 th gun damage less 65.5% = 99.54 dps.
The abaddon hits the mega for a total of 267.6 dps from 0-15km after resists.
The mega actually has 2% LESS DPS and 300% less range, and a WEAK 52.2% explosive resist hole and also has 18% LESS EHP.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 17:55:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 23/03/2009 18:03:40
Originally by: Marn Prestoc
I have no idea what you lot are doing, a 1v1 fight does not help balance ships appart from in 1v1 situations.
It is not a 1 v 1 fight it is a comparison on how they perfom relative to each other as RR ships and the DMG out put they do against each others tanks.
It also shows the issues megas have in gang combat due to the awful explosive hole in its resists.
Originally by: Marn Prestoc If you only compare EHP, Damage and Range vs a Abaddon then of course it will win.
In a RR BS gang vs RR BS gang or even standard BS gang vs BS gang situation EHP, damage and range are the most important factors.
And as ppl are saying that the blaster mega is supposed to be the uber close range pwn mobile for close range RR/standard BS combat a perspective on the fact that it is not should be given.
It cannot even out dmg a abaddon when they both have 1 or 2 RR and 7 or 6 guns and that needed to be shown as well as a look at the holes in its tank.
Originally by: Marn Prestoc For example you arn't taking into account cap use (seriously 2xLRAR Abaddon? LOL cap use).
Yes i did.
With both ships fitted the same way (TWIN RR) the mega has 4 mins of cap without burning its mwd and 1 min with burning it and the abaddon has just under 3 mins without its mwd on and also 1 min with.
And obviously the abaddon would need to burn its MWD very rarely if at all, while the mega is renouned for needing to do just that just so it can get into good dmg range.
Originally by: Marn Prestoc Your also comparing a tier 2 to 3 so cheaper ship vs more expensive (even after insurance).
They are both easily available to buy and fit as they use no implants or faction mods, and quibbling over a bit of isk differance when a player is going to HAVE to buy a ship anyway is just silly.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 18:51:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 23/03/2009 18:54:32
While the stats and figures were put together in a way that seemed a 1 v 1 fight the point of the post was to illustrate that:
1. The so called "omni tank" that is supposed to (according to gourmie and others) give blasters a 35% dmg advantage in blaster optimal over lasers does not exist when available ships are used and properly/standardly fitted.
2. To do this i initially put a T2 and best named fitted abaddon with 1 RR and 7 guns along with its normal/available tank and dmg mod fit a VS a T2 and best named fitted mega with 1 RR and 7 guns that had its normal/available tank and dmg mods fitted.
It was not done to show that the abaddon could beat the mega in a 1 v 1 fight or anything like that, it was done to show just how few BS conform and actually fit this mythical "35% more blaster dmg than lasers omni tank".
I honestly thought that the mega would be doing slightly more dmg against the abaddon than the abaddon would do against the mega and was very supprised when it turned out that the higher DPS after resists was being done by the abaddon in both cases.
Not only that but after reading the other RR fits people use like the phoon ect that also have higher resists against kinetic and thermal than they do EM thermal its clear that the idea that this "35% omni tank" does not exist as far as regular available fits for armour tanking BS is concerned, or at least as far as the sort of fits ppl actually use on armour tanking BS.
So it seems that the tank ppl refer to as the "omni tank" and how it supposedly borks laser dmg while being blaster friendly is not as widespread, good or as used as the ppl would have us believe.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Childstar So it seems that the tank ppl refer to as the "omni tank" and how it supposedly borks laser dmg while being blaster friendly is not as widespread, good or as used as the ppl would have us believe.
While not wanting to enter this fight on either side, I will say that CCP specifically nerfed the omnitank's effect on EM damage. EM damage has been a very reasonable damage type for a very long time now.
Ok, continue forum warrior'ing.
-Liang
It needed to be pointed out clearly as gourmie and his cohorts have a tendancy to include the drone DMG that is all thermal when deducting for EM as well as using levels of EM resists that ships do not fit.
And best of all ignoring that a amarr BS and others that are regularly fitted and flown have higher resists against kinetic and thermal than they give them credit for and in some cases higher than em and therm.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: Electric Universe
Yes his math is right at 15 km.
But try to fit an Abaddon with 1 HS II and a Megathron with 1x MFS II and compare them both at 4.5 km, who wins that again? .
The math is right at 4.5km and the fits used are those available and used by the ships in question on TQ.
Originally by: Electric Universe Childstar doesn't want to admit it that a Megathron inside the remote rep range is just extremely powerfull. So he have to use examples with an Abaddon with 3x HS II against a 2 MFS II fitted Mega at 15 km, just to prove that the Abaddon outdamage the Mega by some few DPS at 15 km lol.
THE EXAMPLE IS AT 4.5KM AND THE FITS USED ARE THOSE AVAILABLE AND USED BY THE SHIPS IN QUESTION ON TQ.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Marn Prestoc
Ok RR gang, just looking at Aba, Geddon and Mega. RR Tank/Damage
RR Tank/Damage 2
till 25km+
Ok i have looked over these graphs and TBH i think they are a rather unrealistic.
Firstly the 2 x eanm tank + DCU you act like everybody will be shooting at is only actually used on the RR hyperion.
The mega cannot fit it due to CPU issues, the domi and phoon fit shown on here used a mix of active hardeners ect for a much better over all result and the abaddon that also fits it gets a bonus to its armour resists per level.
I think you should update the graphs in regards to reasonably available fits for the BS in question including how they would operate in a gang vs gang scenario where multiple racial RR BS are shooting at each other while buddies will be RRing them.
You should include the RR ships actual available/normal fits and the resistances each ship actually gets.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Electric Universe
Use 1 HS II on the Abaddon and one MFS II on a Mega, then take with the drones DPS, and then do the maths on how the DPS is at 4.5 km.
Why would anybody wish to gimp the abaddons DMG by only fitting 1 HS when they do not need to?. The abaddon has great armour resists over the entire spectrum with 3 dmg mods, plenty of armour for it to soak up damage while being RR'd.
Oh and before i forget it does not have a dirty great hole in its armours explosive resistance like the MEGA does so its actually properly tanked for RR gang combat against ALL races of ships and damage types.
Just because the mega has fitting issues as well as being poor in actual gang combat where ALL dmg types will be used no reason to fit the abaddon badly and make you feel better and it look better than it actually is.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 21:12:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 23/03/2009 21:14:57
Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: Childstar
Ok its ownage time...
I am sorry, what is your fit again?
(I.E. how much armor do you have to chew through, because that matters)
Why are you going to move the goal posts again?.
You tried to include the dmg from thermal drones in you EM % reduction figures.
FAILED.
You tried to include the thermal dmg from the guns in your EM % reduction figures.
FAILED.
You tried to convince ppl that the standard fit for RR BS is a 2 x eanm and DCU giving RR ships high laser resistances compared to blasters.
FAILED. The only RR ship fits posted on here that can or do actually fit that are the hyperion fit and the abaddon. The rest posted on here have better thermal and kinetic resists.
The abaddon has great resists accross the board a good armour buffer for RR and it does NOT have a dirty great hole in its armours explosive resistance so its good at actual multi racial RR PVP instead of being gimped.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:03:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 23/03/2009 22:06:13
Oh and for anybody who is interested when one of the few ships that actually can like the HYPERION does fit the all singing all dancing full bells and whistles "2 x eanm and DCU omni tank" that is supposed to drive laser ships from the skies in terror with its "35% more resists vs lasers" it gets:
With its standard single or twin RR fit the HYPERION actually only gets LESS THAN 5% MORE dmg at its 4.5km optimal vs the equivalant single or dual RR abaddon fit.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:17:00 -
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Originally by: Electric Universe Edited by: Electric Universe on 23/03/2009 22:05:23
Originally by: Childstar Edited by: Childstar on 23/03/2009 21:07:50
Originally by: Electric Universe
Use 1 HS II on the Abaddon and one MFS II on a Mega, then take with the drones DPS, and then do the maths on how the DPS is at 4.5 km.
Why would anybody wish to gimp the abaddons DMG by only fitting 1 HS when they do not need to?. The abaddon has great armour resists over the entire spectrum with 3 dmg mods, plenty of armour for it to soak up damage while being RR'd.
Oh and before i forget it does not have a dirty great hole in its armours explosive resistance like the MEGA does so its actually properly tanked for RR gang combat against ALL races of ships and damage types.
Just because the mega has fitting issues as well as being poor in actual gang combat where ALL dmg types will be used is no reason to fit the abaddon badly and make you feel better and the mega look better than it actually is.
LOLOLOL, this is just getting better and better for every of you replies.
Talk aboout someone that doesn't have a clue about comparing things and about gang PVP. I'm lolling again.
Just to say it. You either gimp your DPS or you are gimping your EHP advantage.
Choose what you want to have as advantage?.
Why do you keep telling ppl they have no clue about gang pvp when you could not even fit a mega or a hyperion for it yesterday...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
It does not gimp its EHP by fitting 3 HS.
3x HS RR abaddon = 81.3em, 75.7th, 71.9ki, 70.1ex resists with 134,371EHP.
Great coverage vs ALL DMG types so it is well suited for actual RR pvp against ALL races and weapons that hit it.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Mila Prestoc
Originally by: Childstar
Originally by: Marn Prestoc
Ok RR gang, just looking at Aba, Geddon and Mega. RR Tank/Damage
RR Tank/Damage 2
till 25km+
Ok i have looked over these graphs and TBH i think they are a rather unrealistic.
Firstly the 2 x eanm tank + DCU you act like everybody will be shooting at is only actually used on the RR hyperion.
The mega cannot fit it due to CPU issues, the domi and phoon fit shown on here used a mix of active hardeners ect for a much better over all result and the abaddon that also fits it gets a bonus to its armour resists per level.
I think you should update the graphs in regards to reasonably available fits for the BS in question including how they would operate in a gang vs gang scenario where multiple racial RR BS are shooting at each other while buddies will be RRing them.
You should include the RR ships actual available/normal fits and the resistances each ship actually gets as well as realistic DPS from the amount of dmg mods guns they would have fitted.
Your arguement about being unrealistic is about ANP vs EANM?
No my argument is about such a generalization being used when only one unresistance bonused RR BS regularly fits it.
And the numbers given were not these the numbers given were "Blaster get 35% more DMG in optimal than lasers vs OMNI TANKS".
It also convieniently ignores the fact that the fit leaves a large explosive hole in most tanks and that is why that all but the hyperion and mega that cannot do anything about it and the abaddon that does not need to because of its bonus choose other styles of omni tank that actually have therm and kinetic as the highest resist and good ex and em.
Originally by: Mila Prestoc The difference between using a ANP or EANM wouldn't change the trend, just the specific numbers, and I don't think doing 300 dps after res or 280 dps after res will make people go "oh that needs a boost".
Maybe you should read this and other threads as in reality 7% or so more or less dps after resists are taken into account along with other things are what this thread is all about.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron It should be repeated:
pure damage advantage of blasters over mega pulse is 16.7%
That 16.7% damage advantage is not worth the different in optimal: 4.5km for blasters and 15km for mega pulse.
While i agree its not enough you need to factor in the availability of fittings and the abilities of the available ships for these systems.
For instance if all BS blaster ships can only fit a realistic max of 2 DMG mods due to CPU and tank/mid slot requirements(and that is quite accurate tbh) that 16.7% is suddenly a 0 or minus number when compared with a race that has a ship that can easily accomodate 3 dmg mods and a simular or even better tank.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Electric Universe
The only reason i did not find a setup to the Megathron so it could compare to the tripple HS II fitted Abaddon was ONLY because you was EFTing just to find a setup that an Abaddon could fit while the Abaddon could fit. Your comparing a tier 3 ship to a tier 2 ship though.
Just remember that the Abaddon both have more CPU and more powergrid than the Mega.
So either compare with a setup that both ships can fit without any problems and with the same med and low slot. So we can see the real stats on the ships.
I know what the ships have, i know what tier they are and i know that the abaddon has more CPU and PG.
I also know that it is a AVAILABLE ship for a amarr pilot to fly and fit and it is the one i have chosen because it is the most in the effective RR ship in the amarr fleet fitted as i have done it.
Its EHP is fine if not better compared to the megas because it does not have a 47.8% hole in its explosive resists like the mega does.
So in actual RR gang combat the abaddon is going to tank a gang of multiple race ships much easier than the mega, especially as the missile ships will always have explosive loaded and the mini ships guns do mostly explosive dmg as well.
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Posted - 2009.03.23 23:40:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 23/03/2009 23:45:45
Originally by: Kagura Nikon Maybe its not that simple. Now compare the speed difference between abaddon and mega. Mega is quite faster. So fight will usually end at megatron best range. The question remains, can he close up fast enough to compensate abaddon advantage at medium range? That is a pretty complicated calculation in fact.
In a gang fight EVERY MEGA would need to burn towards EVERY primary target and get within 4.5km as soon that target became primary and do so as quickly as possable, as every volley the megas fire outside 4.5km they are getting reduced DPS and the farther out from 4.5km they are the greater reduction is.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: Kagura Nikon
I am just raising the question. You are trying to answer it. And I again say. It s more complicated. each scenario is different. Depend on gang size and deployment. On the 1v1 extreme the mega has advantage..
Maybe although you must factor the dmg it recieves while approaching and how much it will have left and if it will give it enough time to get through the abaddons tank before it pops.
Then you have tracking ect but a good BS pilot will counter web and burn in a str8 line to reduce that anyway and its not like webbed BS even when comparing the mega and abaddon are exactly nimble.
But thats 1 v 1 crap and not a likely or reaslitic measure anyway.
Originally by: Kagura Nikon I have few doubts that 50 pulse ships can wipe the floor with 50 blaster ships. Possibly killing half of them even before they have to switch from scorch to MF. But again, that is only 1 of the infinite number of scenarios.
Its all relative to dmg and tank even in a 50 vs 50 racial fight the abaddons do not need to kill close to half on approach to gain a overwhelming advantage.
Firstly depending on the tank fit of the abaddons they can either have a 3% advantage per ship in DPS using MF against AM even at the megas 4.5 optimal and thats after each ships resists have been taken into account and against equal numbers.
Or they can be fitted slightly differantly and have a much larger EHP tank compared to the megas but have 5% per ship less DPS after resists than the megas in the megas 4.5km optimal using MF against AM.
Also again all the megas need to be at 4.5km from each and every primary to be doing their max available DPS.
Also factor in that in a 50 vs 50 fight every ship the abaddons kill on approach is 2% less DPS they are gaurenteed not to ever recieve from the mega gang. So realistically its not like the abaddons need to kill many ships before the abaddons have a large DPS advantage along with their already large EHP advantage.
Those little details is always lost/ignored by the "blasterz iz uber" crowd mostly because they have never flown them and only look at the raw stats of how much dmg 10 or 20 or 50 blaster BS will do.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: Electric Universe
If Abaddons would be so much better, then why is not most of those Blaster pilots in Abaddons then?. They have had years to cross train to Amarr if they wanted to go there. But no, it's not happening as peoples says here.
It doesn't takes years to cross train from Gallente to Amarr anyways.
It has not been years stop lying, and i have only just finished cross training over myself and i had all the tertiary gunnery and PG/CPU ect skills done before i decided to do it.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: Electric Universe
Originally by: Childstar
Originally by: Electric Universe
If Abaddons would be so much better, then why is not most of those Blaster pilots in Abaddons then?. They have had years to cross train to Amarr if they wanted to go there. But no, it's not happening as peoples says here.
It doesn't takes years to cross train from Gallente to Amarr anyways.
It has not been years stop lying, and i have only just finished cross training over myself and i had all the tertiary gunnery and PG/CPU ect skills done before i decided to do it.
So tell me exacly how long time it is since the Lasers got the tracking boost?. Also when Lasers got boosted.
It was after that the FOTM warriors started to praise Amarr up to the sky.
Stop lying your self maybe?.
Its not been years thats for sure, as it was just before the nano/web nerf and that is when ppl started realizing how good they had become because of those changes.
Try exhagerating less and knowing wtf your talking about more.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: Mila Prestoc
Did you not read my explanation and list of OMNI tanking ships? More than 1 ship OMNI tanks... to say otherwise is blatent lying. At least put an explanation for no OMNI tanking Mega, Abaddon, Geddon, Tempest, evidence would be amazing to.
The mega cannot fit the omni tank you used as the example with a RR fit it does not have enough CPU, the abaddon does but has a natural resistance bonus skewing the results, the geddon cannot fit the modal you use either and the pest using it has weak explosive resistance and gets much better overall resists using a hardener and plate setup. The RR domi and phoon are also better off using active hardeners to boost their resistances instead of the omni fit.
Originally by: Mila Prestoc I have never brought up that arguement, although looking at the graph the peak difference between geddon and Mega does appear to be about 25%. Between 7 turret Abaddon and Mega about 35%.
It would do considering you have totally stacked the deck against laser ships by using biased resistace modals.
Originally by: Mila Prestoc The range at which the same level of advantage is reversed comes after 20km. Thats about 10km of superiority, 10km of similar levels of performance then the lasers have 20km of superiority, but personally for me superiority in 20-40km is less valuable than 0-10km. But then I use AC's so used to not having superiority at any range :p.
The levels of advantage are not equal to the figures you have given because most the ships you base your calculations on cannot fit the tanks described OR some actually have better tanks than you describe.
Originally by: Mila Prestoc As i've just replied to Kagura above, the best Exp damage dealer does less than the Mega, at less range, with less tracking, unless you fly it like a tin can.
The RR phoon fit i saw did around 10% more damage vs the FULL 2 x eanm and DCU omni tank than the RR mega does and the phoon does not use the onmi tank (nor does the mega or at least the full one) as the phoon gets better overall resists by using active hardeners a DCU and twin plates. So i honestly doubt i would be flying the RR pest when i can be flying the RR phoon. Just like flying the RR abaddon is better than the RR geddon.
Originally by: Mila Prestoc 7% more or less dps compared to other ships. But the difference in changing a EANM to ANP increases the DPS of ALL ships shooting the target and not just one.
Your right but your graphs ignore the fact that the ships and systems in question like the RR blaster mega get the decrease in resistances while ships like the abaddon actually have better resists. And as with the phoon and domi along with others a lot of ships do not fit the omni tank as they get better results from other fits.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Originally by: Mila Prestoc
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Don't agree 1 little bit.
2 Gyros Tempest is not comparable to a 2 MFS Mega. The tanks are widely different (~95k EHP vs ~115k EHP). 1 Gyro Tempest is the equivelent setup to a Mega. You've also used Hail and not mentioned it, which is a huge factor because it turns AC's into worse optimal and falloff than blasters, and worse tracking than lasers. So if anything is going to lose damage due to those factors, the ACs with Hail will do first, losing its damage type advantage.
1 Gyro Tempest (still with Hail) does less damage (~300 vs ~325) than 2 MFS Mega.
No drones were included here or in the graphs, hence the Mega still has a 50m3 drone advantage yet to include for its total damage (since we included seige launcher).
Well temepest have a huge issue that is, CCP does not want to give us a decent faction AMMO. So we must use T2. But if the megatron is in the fight IT will be the ones trying to get up close. So not hard to get into range. Hail has about same range and falloff than AM in a blaster ship.
A Single Gyro tempest still outdamages a megatron after resists on a standard 2 EANM + DC tank (dont forget the Siege launcher), but by a very small margin. That to not talk about the typhoon that has a massive advantage on damage after resists.
REesistance distribution IS important.
Havign an OPTIMAL tank is not having the higher overal resists.
Example. You face 4 enemy threats in a day. Each oen dealing hypothetical 400 dps of damage one of each type.
First Ship can tank (or be tanked trough RR) 1000 DPS EM 600 DPS thermal 350 dps kin 300 dps explosive (total 2250) Second ship can tank (or be tanked trough RR) 500 DPS EM 500 DPS Thermal 500 DPS kin 500 DPS explosive (total 2k)
First ship has larger total resists. But would die in 2 fights Secodn ship has "inferior"resists, but would die in neither fight.
That is just a simple theoretical example. Just pointing why its useless to check your effective HP when almost all of it is on EM ronly.
Show him this...
Phoon dmg vs mega dmg against the ledgendary "UNBER DMG WITH BLASTERS VS OMNI TANK"....
RR Phoon gets 382 dps after FULL omni tank resistances. RR Megas gets 356 dps after FULL omni tank resistances.
The joke is thart the mega cannot fit the FULL omni tank and the phoon does not cos its gets better overall resists with a hardener/dcu/twin plate setup.
Oh and in their ACTUAL AVAILABLE fits...
The phoon hits the mega for 422.3 dps after the megas resists. The mega hits the phoon for 311.3 dps after the phoons resists.
As you can see the phoon fit tanks blasters better than the omni tank 311.3/356 so well over 10% better. As well as doing more damage against the mega than the FULL omni tank as the mega cannot fit it 422.3/382 so this time just under 10%..![Very Happy](/images/icon_biggrin.gif)
The phoons fit has 118,112ehp and nice balanced all over resistance coverage from 65.6 to 75.1.
The megas fit has 115,436ehp and a dirty great explosive hole (52.2) along with weaker thermal and kinetic (both 65.5) resists than the phoon...![Very Happy](/images/icon_biggrin.gif)
Now put that pest down and get in a good RR ship...![Wink](/images/icon_wink.gif)
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Mila Prestoc The general eve population are like sheep, where one goes they follow. They see enough topics and posts (even if its the same people over and over) they will start to believe what they read, hence FOTM's occur.
Belief cannot stand against the truth.
For a long time now ppl have been preaching the line "35% moar blaster dmg vs lasers" every chance they get, but the truth is that those dmg ratios do not exist when applied to the available ships in question. And ignores massive flaws in the ships that do fit it or close to its tanks.
Originally by: Mila Prestoc Nothing was wrong with lasers even in 2007, it was some of the ships. They didn't need tracking boost and didn't need base EM resistance changing (which screws none-Omni tanks). But thats all it took for people to go "oh i'll give them a try then", throw in some exposure (Kil2/Cown ect) and you have a FOTM forming, and here we are.
No it also took a total removal of nano that made range the new and best "tertiary tank" that ships can use to reduce incoming damage.
The web nerf amoung other things made BS that were or could be previously used for solo work highly vulnerable to smaller ships that can now kite and hold until reinforcments arrive or in a lot of casses kite and kill. While the BS themselves took a massive hit/reduction in available tacklable/holdable/killable targets.
All this made BS gang combat either with or without RR the only close range option as well as blaster BS like the mega and the hyperion poor relative choices for such due to fitting constraints and the afore mentioned range issues.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 11:57:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 24/03/2009 12:00:48
Originally by: Traderboz
Still, I have yet to see many comparisons to Matar ships and how blasters stack up against them. At first glance they seem pretty balanced in that respect, but if that's the case, it seems like lasers are the problem, not blasters. :P
ASK AND YE SHAL RECIEVE..
Typhoon dmg vs mega dmg against the ledgendary "UBER DMG WITH BLASTERS VS 2x eanm + dcu OMNI TANK"....
Mega gets 1132 max raw dmg. poon gets 1006 max raw dmg.
RR Poon gets 382 dps after/against FULL omni tank resistances. RR Mega gets 356 dps after/against FULL omni tank resistances.
The joke is that the mega cannot fit the FULL omni tank and the phoon does not cos its gets better overall resists with a hardener/dcu/twin plate setup.
Oh and in their ACTUAL AVAILABLE fits...
The phoon hits the mega for 422.3 dps after the megas resists. The mega hits the phoon for 311.3 dps after the phoons resists.
As you can see the phoon fit tanks blasters better than the omni tank 311.3/356 so well over 10% better. As well as doing more damage against the mega than the FULL omni tank as the mega cannot fit it 422.3/382 so this time just under 10%..![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
The phoons fit has 118,112ehp and nice balanced all over resistance coverage from 65.6min to 75.1max.
The megas fit has 115,436ehp and a dirty great explosive hole (52.2) along with weaker thermal and kinetic (both 65.5) resists than the phoon...![Very Happy](/images/icon_biggrin.gif)
Now put that pest down and get in a good RR ship...![Wink](/images/icon_wink.gif)
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:07:00 -
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Originally by: Electric Universe
Anyways. No, Both Childstar and Bellum haven't done the thing that is to give killboard links that shows that Amarr BS'es are most used Or links to some movies that shows that. Aka proofs.
We have proven plenty you just cannot accept it because your biased.
Originally by: Electric Universe So just please stop your epic whinage Child and Bellum as long you can't give any proofs of what your saying.
This from the person who says "waaaa stop fittying the abaddon so well it makes the mega look bad"...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: Electric Universe EDIT: And also, lol at all of the alts and npc corp players that have to post in this topic. Scared of letting us know who your main is ?.
This from the banned nightmareX alt whos first post in this thread was to support his own banned main and the deny really knowing him, then later saying they were buddies, and yesterday saying he was his brother.....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Tell us more about that 2 LAR +8 nuetron hyperion with 3 x repair rigs you said you used pls...just what did it have in its mids and how much PG did it use?....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.03.24 12:11:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 24/03/2009 12:12:58
Originally by: Electric Universe
I don't care what stats the ships have. All i care about what ship that is really good in gang PVP with RR's in low sec and empire.
CLASSIC...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Maybe somebody should mention to NX alt that stats = ability and performace.![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:21:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 24/03/2009 13:24:15
Originally by: Electric Universe
Oh, by looking here: http://kills.forceofevil.co.uk/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=37&view=ships_weapons
Not that i think a single link makes much of a differance but if you look on YOUR link in the:
MOST USED SHIPS AND WEAPONS LIST
http://kills.forceofevil.co.uk/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=37&view=ships_weapons
The most used close range BS turret is the MEGA PULSE II.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
In fact blasters do not even make it on the list and the only reason megas are on the list is because of rail fitted snipers....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:30:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 24/03/2009 13:30:56
Originally by: Electric Universe Edited by: Electric Universe on 24/03/2009 13:26:03
Originally by: Childstar
Originally by: Electric Universe
Oh, by looking here: http://kills.forceofevil.co.uk/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=37&view=ships_weapons
Not that i think a single link makes much of a differance but if you look on YOUR link in the:
MOST USED SHIPS AND WEAPONS LIST
http://kills.forceofevil.co.uk/?a=alliance_detail&all_id=37&view=ships_weapons[/url]
The most use close range BS turret is the MEGA PULSE II.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
In fact blasters do not even make it on the list and the only reason megas are on the list is because of rail fitted snipers....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Wow, only because it shows that Mega Pulse Laser II's are most used med range weapons system, and then that you see that the Blasters isn't used because of the range FOE is fighting at, so peoples use rail and artilleries instead, then yeah.
Yes Gallente and Minmatar have to use the Railguns and Artilleries to get up to the same range as Pulses, then it ofc tells me why.
What's your point again ?
Well i know you just argue for the sake of it and from reading above about your posts about you main you have terible a memory... But considering this thead is about BS BLASTERS and that link clearly shows NOBODY using them that you posting the link as some sort of proof that blasters are fine is kind of dumb....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
But then im sure you wil try to dig/troll your self out of this hole you have yet again dug your self...![Wink](/images/icon_wink.gif)
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Posted - 2009.03.24 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Electric Universe
Do i need TQ Blaster experience to read some killboards and watch some movies?.
No you do not just to watch a movie but then a movie and KB link only shows those ships being used it does not show if they are balanced or how they compare to other ships as far as effectivness is concerned in todays eve.
Videos could be from ganking a noob or a fool and KB link could be from gate camping pirates who sit in low sec on gates in the ships that they have already trained.
Only actual experiance and statistics count and you have no real experiance and the stats you preach cannot fitted or be used on the actual ships because of cpu/pg issues.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Electric Universe
The FoE kb link only showed that because of FoE's play style and the range they are fighting at. Then MANY are using Rails and Arties. Because Rail and Arties are the only weapon Gallente and Minmatar can use at those ranges.
So then Amarr ships use Mega Pulse Laser II's because that weapon is the perfect weapon FOR AMARR on those ranges FoE is using to fight at.
Again, your point is?.
That if blaster BS were as good as you claim they would not need to use rails and work at range, they could work in close and "pwn" as you call it...![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: Electric Universe Edited by: Electric Universe on 24/03/2009 14:03:33
Originally by: Childstar
Originally by: Electric Universe
Clearly, if the ship had been as poor as you say it is, then they for sure would cross train to Amarr.
BUT WHY ISN'T THAT THE CASE?.
It is poor and ppl are training over including myself, but i know NOBODY who is training amarrr that is going to stop doing so and start training gallente...
Yeah, and it's going to take another 5 years to cross train so many Gallente players to Amarr so it can be more Amarr players than it is Gallente? .
Maybe you should do it a bit faster LOL.
LOL, even after the Amarr FOTM started 1 year and 2 months ago, there haven't been so much more Amarr players tbh. Maybe a little, but that's all.
What i'm seeing is more Gallente players instead. Or Caldari because that's the race most noobs start to use.
FACT ppl asking on the forums for the best race to train for pvp are not told gallente.
They are toild amarr or in some casses mini depending on what type of pvp they prefer, but mostly amaar.
And amarr fotm did not start 1 yr 2 months ago it started after the web/nano nerf and even then it took a while for the changes to sink in and for ppl to realise how eve had changed and what were the best ships for it.
This thread is a fine example of those changes still being in progress.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Theron Gyrow For NightmareX: Atomic Battle Penguins. One of the main makers of films showing remote repping battleships. The #1 weapon in their killboard? Mega Pulse II.
Given that they _did_ use Megas a lot earlier, I imagine that the pulse will gain more lead over time.
LULZ he used ABP videos to try and make a point about blasters being fine and now the very corp he used as his poster child has switched or is in the process or switching to using PULSE BS.
PWND...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:24:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 24/03/2009 14:25:20
Originally by: Electric Universe Edited by: Electric Universe on 24/03/2009 14:18:20
Originally by: Childstar
Originally by: Theron Gyrow For NightmareX: Atomic Battle Penguins. One of the main makers of films showing remote repping battleships. The #1 weapon in their killboard? Mega Pulse II.
Given that they _did_ use Megas a lot earlier, I imagine that the pulse will gain more lead over time.
LULZ he used ABP videos to try and make a point about blasters being fine and now the very corp he used as his poster child has switched or is in the process or switching to using PULSE BS.
PWND...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
But then, how many times are the Mega used over the Amarr BS'es ?.
The Megathron is even used more than the Abaddon and Armageddon is used together .
Like you have been told things have changed and i guess you will need to find another corp to fanboi over now that one has switched to pulse.
Oh and FYI MEGA PULSE are being used by ABP more than nuetron blasters if you look at weapons used...![Very Happy](/images/icon_biggrin.gif)
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Electric Universe
Yeah, i'm looking forward to the Amarr BS'es being used more than Blaster Megas or other fitted Megas in 5-6 years.
See you then, maybe we can talk then?.
I have no problem at all with the thought of you shutting the .... up for 5-6 years.
But then i doubt that was what you meant as you yet again resorted to exhageration and leaps to conclusions that do not exist...![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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Posted - 2009.03.24 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Electric Universe
Can you please give me some proofs that Amarr BS'es is so popular in RR BS gangs today?.
Surely there have to be some proofs somewhere if that's the case. Right?.
Most used weapon MEGA PULSE II.
Mega Pulse II
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Electric Universe Edited by: Electric Universe on 24/03/2009 14:53:41
Originally by: Childstar Edited by: Childstar on 24/03/2009 14:47:19
Originally by: Electric Universe
Can you please give me some proofs that Amarr BS'es is so popular in RR BS gangs today?.
Surely there have to be some proofs somewhere if that's the case. Right?.
Most used weapon MEGA PULSE II.
Mega Pulse II
Now these weapons tend to be fitted on amarr BS mostly as far as im aware???....![Wink](/images/icon_wink.gif)
So your saying that the Mega Pulses are a ship?.
Looking at ships used is stupid as ships can be fitted lots of differant ways like with rails ect ect, you look at weapons used for the truth of things.
MEGA PULSE are the MOST used weapon that amarr BS are the most used close range BS in that corp, PULSE fit on amarr BS.
Actually because the mega is at the top of the used ships list by quite a large margin and blasters are below pulse on used weapons it does give a good indication how much pulse are used and how little blasters are used compared to their races ships......
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:30:00 -
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Originally by: Electric Universe
So you mean that if the Lasers get way more kills than Blasters because of the range to Lasers are the only thing that proves that Amarr BS'es is most used in RR BS gangs, then your wrong.
See you are starting to understand why lasers are so much better and how the shortcommings of blasters makes what little more damage they may do against very rarely used tanks rather insignificant.
And i thought you said ppl used blasters cos they were uber....![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:47:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 24/03/2009 15:48:39
Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: Childstar
Looking at ships used is stupid as ships can be fitted lots of differant ways like with rails ect ect, you look at weapons used for the truth of things.
MEGA PULSE are the MOST used weapon that amarr BS are the most used close range BS in that corp, PULSE fit on amarr BS.
Actually because the mega is at the top of the used ships list by quite a large margin and blasters are below pulse on used weapons it does give a good indication how much pulse are used and how little blasters are used compared to their races ships......
Or its that killmails may not be reporting weapons correctly.
That or its possible that i am fitting Omens on the Omens i fly... To give an example of this happening.
Would you search for and use that excuse if the thread showed blasters as the most used weapon?.
Are spelling errors, comments on belief systems and points about killboards being broken all you have to add?.
And if thats all you did have to add why not do so when nightmareX's alt was posting stupid KB links all over the thread?.
You preach about balance but the truth is your amarr and biased in their favor and it shows in every post you make or do not make depending on what side of the fence it is on.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:58:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 24/03/2009 16:02:17
MEGA vs ABADDON RR FIT COMPARISON.
The abaddon has 75.7 thermal and 71.9 kinetic resists and the mega does 58% more kinetic DMG with its guns than thermal so including the drones and after the abaddons resists:
Your mega starts with 7 guns and RR with 832 gun dps and 300 drone dps to be assigned.
300 thermal drone dmg from gaurd less 75.7% = 72.9 DPS. 482.56 kinetic damage from its guns less 71.9% = 135.6 DPS. 394.44 thermal damage from its guns less 75.7% = 84.9 DPS.
YOUR MEGA GETS A TOTAL OF 293.4 MAX DPS AT 4.5KM vs THE ABADDON.
4. Your mega has 73.4 em, 65.5 thermal resists and the abaddon does 58% more EM dmg with its guns than thermal so including the drones and after the megas resists:
The abaddon starts with 7 guns and RR with 802 gun dps and 180 drone dps to be assigned.
180 thr drone dmg less 65.5% = 62.1 DPS. 465.16 gun em damage less 73.4% = 123.8 DPS. 336.84 gun th damage less 65.5% = 116.2 DPS. THE ABAD GETS A TOTAL OF 302.1 MAX DPS AT 15KM vs YOUR MEGA.
THE ABAD GETS A TOTAL OF 302.1 MAX DPS AFTER RESISTS AT 15KM vs THE MEGA. THE MEGA GETS A TOTAL OF 293.4 MAX DPS AFTER RESISTS AT 4.5KM vs THE ABAD.
The mega actually has 3% LESS DPS and 300% less range, and a WEAK 52.2% explosive resist hole and also has 18% LESS EHP.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 15:59:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 24/03/2009 16:01:39
Phoon dmg vs mega dmg against the ledgendary "UNBER DMG WITH BLASTERS VS OMNI TANK"....
Mega gets 1132 max raw dmg. Typo gets 1006 max raw dmg.
RR Phoon gets 382 dps after/against FULL omni tank resistances. RR Megas gets 356 dps after/against FULL omni tank resistances.
The joke is thart the mega cannot fit the FULL omni tank and the phoon does not cos its gets better overall resists with a hardener/dcu/twin plate setup.
Oh and in their ACTUAL AVAILABLE fits...
The phoon hits the mega for 422.3 dps after the megas resists. The mega hits the phoon for 311.3 dps after the phoons resists.
As you can see the phoon fit tanks blasters better than the omni tank 311.3/356 so well over 10% better. As well as doing more damage against the mega than the FULL omni tank as the mega cannot fit it 422.3/382 so this time just under 10%..
The phoons fit has 118,112ehp and nice balanced all over resistance coverage from 65.6 to 75.1.
The megas fit has 115,436ehp and a dirty great explosive hole (52.2) along with weaker thermal and kinetic (both 65.5) resists than the phoon...
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:26:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 24/03/2009 16:30:47
Originally by: Mila Prestoc
THERE IS NO BIAS. Would you be happy if I produced the same graphs with ANP+EANM+DC?
There is bias and no a anp+eanm+dc graph would not change my mind either and if i need to work out the results and resists from it i could do so easily anyway.
I do not think that using either omni tank formula is valid for balancing of the races systems anymore.
Originally by: Mila Prestoc RR Abaddon is not better than RR Geddon, especially not for the cost.
The cost is the only thing the geddon has over the baddon and the actual differance in isk is a joke when you are looking for the best tool for the job.
Originally by: Mila Prestoc So your end arguement is the damage graph against a constant target does not take into account the ships shooting tank? WOW thats because it a comparison of damage output and not there own specific tanks.
Its not a comparison of just damage output its a comparison of dmg output against a very specific tank.
A lot of the fits now not only use active hardeners to plug holes but others cannot fit the full omni tank, and while the ANP fit means they take more damage from ALL types the damage a ship is going to take from ALL types because of the tank it can fit directly relates to its abilities, weapons range and its general usefulness in available pvp and its balance compared to other ships used in the same pvp and their available tanks, range, abilities.
Plug and plate fits are far more popular now because of the dmg coverage they give over every dmg type.
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Posted - 2009.03.24 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: coney fitzwarren
Originally by: Childstar Edited by: Childstar on 24/03/2009 16:30:47
The cost is the only thing the geddon has over the baddon and the actual differance in isk is a joke when you are looking for the best tool for the job.
Geddon does more dps, 5% rof adds more dps than 5% damage, both can fit up to seven turrets with a RR and the geddon has one more low and more dronebay. Not everyone will be after the best tool for the job, in most cases that would be an aeon but a geddon costs less.
I know the stats and slot layout on the ships, now go try fitting them....
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Posted - 2009.03.24 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Kagura Nikon Why don't you guys form up 2 teams and go test it in a gang vs gang battle on sisi. Death match ftw:P
At least would allow to discharge the blood-lust each side is feeling towards the other.
And please fraps it with Voice comms recording :P
Why bother?..myself and a lot of the others pvp regularly actually on TQ that is how we know that there are problems, instead of needing to rely on old vids and a few KB links showing megas on killmails...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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Posted - 2009.03.24 19:05:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 24/03/2009 19:12:10
Originally by: Mila Prestoc
Just because you say it doesn't make it true. No bias, prove otherwise. You say 2 ships (domi+Typhoon) don't omni tank, that leaves Abaddon, Tempest, Mega, Geddon so thats 2/3's OMNI tank. With less commonly used RR BS raven and Hyperion also using Omni tanks. So please prove this bias when the majority omni tank. Don't just say yet again "there is bias" because that is not proof.
The abaddon and mega do not have the omni tank resists you used in your graphs nor does the geddon and the pest also gets much better overall resists when fitted with active hardeners +dcu and plates.
So its you who are left with the hyperion that i agree fits the omni tank you used.
Originally by: Mila Prestoc "Tiny bit of damage" is actually a lot... 7 turrets with ROF bonus and 125m3 vs 7 turrets (1 dropped for RR) with DMG bonus and 75m3. Thats not a tiny bit of damage, if that is a tiny difference then the difference between 2xEANM vs ANP+EANM is miniscule.
It is when you factor in the third dmg mod on the abaddon along with its resist bonus per level.
Originally by: Mila Prestoc Its a comparison of damage output against the most common tank, omni tank. The most commonly plugged is exp for gallente, if you do 3 hards then you leave a big hole in EM.
And as i pointed out, the RR hyperion is the only gallente bs that fits your graph omni tank, the RR domi can do much better and the RR mega lacks cpu.
Originally by: Mila Prestoc "plug and plate" fits are more popular now? yet you said most can't fit them cos of cpu!!! MAKE YOUR MIND UP.
No i said the RR mega and RR geddon cannot fit it due to cpu, the RR abaddon has the cpu but does better with the omni tank cos of its bonus filling the explosive hole.
The other RR BS however do have the cpu to do so, and can be fitted accordingly.
Originally by: Mila Prestoc If you want to fit 3 actives and leave EM as the lowest resistance on shields and armour, thats up to you, I certainly won't do it.
Shield is nothing in a armour RR gang and you get better overall coverage fitting 3 actives on a lot of the RR ships than you do with the omni fit and the em resist is not even close to as low as the ex hole your omni fit gives.
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Posted - 2009.04.04 08:16:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: Liang Nuren I just illustrating that it can be done... not that it's a great idea.
-Liang
Yes, most things is possible to fit on battleships. You can even fit a capital gun to a BS. Not smart to do though, but still it's possible to do.
The point is that a Hyperion with 2x Medium Capacitor Booster II's will get in cap troubles really fast. And a setup like you posted is not good or not used by anyone in PVP to.
Now, show me a setup with 8x t2 Neutrons, 1x 100MN MWD II, 1x Heavy Capacitor Booster II and 2x LAR II's .
Well certain ppl have no clue how to fit a BS but still try to pitch clueless "OMG look how much this can rep" comments, even though they have no argument.
Originally by: Electric Universe
I'm not saying the Hyperions will survive though. I'm saying that with Dual LAR and 2x EANM's and one DC II + one MFS II, the Hyperion does 1029 DPS with 4x Ogre II drones.
With 3x Aux Nano Pump I's and one Strong Exile Booster pill, your going to rep 4036 armor HP every 9.56 sec before overload. With overload on, you can rep 4150 armor HP every 9.56 sec.
This is with 75.1% Em and 67.6% Thermal and kinetic + 55.1% to Explosive resists. But then, it can repaier over 4.1k armor hp every cycle.
It still have the highest resists to Lasers (Em and Thermal).
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Posted - 2009.04.04 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: Childstar Well certain ppl have no clue how to fit a BS but still try to pitch clueless "OMG look how much this can rep" comments, even though they have no argument.
Well certain peoples had to take the Megathron into a comparsion with a tier 3 ship where the Abaddon could fit a setup with 3x damage mods and then only do it because the Megathron couldn't fit the same type of setup.
So you are saying that amarr skilled players cannot get into a abaddon if the gang they are facing has megas in it?....cos i was comparing AVAILABLE ships and fits but hey if you and your alt need to cry about it....![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX Congrats for showing that you could do that to show that your just a better EFT warrior .
Well as the position for not knowing how to fly or even fit gallente ships had already been taken by you i thought it was a good idea...
Originally by: NightmareX Anyways. The Blaster Mega still does more DPS with 2x damage mods than a 3x damage mods Abaddon with 8 guns does .
With 2 mag stabs the mega does 832 gun dmg + 300 drone dmg (sentry 2's) = 1132 raw dps from 0-4.5km.
With 3 heat sinks the Aba does 916 gun dmg + 180 drone dmg (sentry 2's) = 1096 raw dps from 0-14.5km.
So thats only 36 more RAW dps from blasters with 300% less range .
The mega has 115,436 EHP and 73.4em, 65.5th, 65.5ki, 52.2ex resists.
The abad has 134,371 EHP and 81.3em, 75.7th, 71.9ki, 70.1ex resists.
The mega hits the abaddon for 293.3 dps.
The abaddon hits the mega for 336.12 dps.
The abaddon hits the mega harder by 42.82 dps that is 14.6% MORE.![Wink](/images/icon_wink.gif)
Iwould have thought getting owned on this topic on your alt as well as your main you would have remembered....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.04 17:28:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
To your first thing.
No i'm not saying it, i'm saying that in most of the times when your in a RR gang, you will have LOTS of Blaster Megas in the gang. Included with RR Domis. But you can still use your Abaddon, but you have to waste one gun then if you want to be in a RR gang.
The abaddon RR fit also does more dmg against the mega than the mega does about the abaddon.
Originally by: NightmareX I know how to fit Gallente ships. You only did that comparsion with the 3x HS II fitted Abaddon against the 3x MFS II fitted Mega ONLY because you did know by your uber EFT warrior skills that the Mega couldn't fit it without getting into CPU problems.
Exactly the megas fitting issues gimp it badly.
Originally by: NightmareX Remember i'm not a god who knows how every setups is without checking it in EFT. But you are that, so do the chest beating on whos the best EFT warrior is not a point to do with you .
No you are a clueless sissi warrior with no clue about the reality of TQ.
Originally by: NightmareX Just remember though that your comparing a tier 3 ship to a tier 2 ship when it's about stats. Oh noes, really?, is the tier 3 ships really better than the tier 2 ship stats wise? .
No its comparing a available racial ship to a available racial ship.
Originally by: NightmareX With a cheap faction fit you can fit 3x MFS II on your Mega. And by that, how much more DPS does the Neutrons does over the Pulses then lol?.
The 3 mag stab mage would do 320.62 dps against the abaddon but the mega would have 93,164 EHP.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
The abaddon hits the mega for 336.12 dps but has 134,371 EHP.
So the abaddon STILL hits the mega harder that the mega hits it by 15.5dps so 4.8% HARDER alongwith 300% more range and 50% more EHP......![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.04 17:37:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 04/04/2009 17:41:33 Edited by: Childstar on 04/04/2009 17:40:40
Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 04/04/2009 17:32:46
Originally by: Childstar
The 3 mag stab mage would do 320.62 dps against the abaddon but the mega would have 93,164 EHP.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
The abaddon hits the mega for 336.12 dps but has 134,371 EHP.
So the abaddon STILL hits the mega harder that the mega hits it by 15.5dps so 4.8% HARDER alongwith 300% more range and 50% more EHP......![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Do you really think that those eft stats really help you so much in REAL PVP combat ?.
They show what the ship is capable of and how it works so YES they are very important and help a lot all things being equal like skills and pilot ability.
They are also important when balancing and fixing ship issues, lets be honest for a long time now certain individuals have been preaching the line of "30% more dmg from blasters vs lasers" every chance they get but the facts are that in BS when comparing available ships and fits on both sides that is just not true and in some cases the oposite.
And comments about "real pvp combat" would be better recieved from sombody who actually did it instead of hid from it on sissi...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.04 17:42:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 04/04/2009 17:43:23
Originally by: NightmareX EDIT: With my skills. And with a setup that use 3x MFS II on a Neutron Mega, then it does 1230 DPS before overload. Yeah your fantasy Abaddon is doing more DPS than that LOOOOOOOOOOL. What kind of dream world are you in?.
My figures are correct emo boy i suggest you check before you rant.
The 3 mag stab mega would do 320.62 dps against the abaddon fit but the mega would have 93,164 EHP.
The abaddon hits the mega for 336.12 dps but has 134,371 EHP.
So the abaddon STILL hits the mega harder that the mega hits it by 15.5dps so 4.8% HARDER alongwith 300% more range and 50% more EHP......
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Posted - 2009.04.04 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 04/04/2009 17:45:32
Originally by: Childstar Edited by: Childstar on 04/04/2009 17:43:23
Originally by: NightmareX EDIT: With my skills. And with a setup that use 3x MFS II on a Neutron Mega, then it does 1230 DPS before overload. Yeah your fantasy Abaddon is doing more DPS than that LOOOOOOOOOOL. What kind of dream world are you in?.
My figures are correct emo boy i suggest you check before you rant.
The 3 mag stab mega would do 320.62 dps against the abaddon fit but the mega would have 93,164 EHP.
The abaddon hits the mega for 336.12 dps but has 134,371 EHP.
Is that with 7 or 8 guns on the Abaddon?.
Post 1344.
You chose the fits pal not me....whats the matter do you need to move the goal posts yet again due to another massive ownage on a subject?.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Like i have told you many times 1. think 2. test 3. then test again to be sure 4. then if you are correct make a post...![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Steaming in with a deranged rant about things you know nothing about is never a good idea.
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Posted - 2009.04.04 18:00:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 04/04/2009 18:00:27
Originally by: NightmareX
If that DPS thing you posted over is with 8 guns, then fine. It might do some few more DPS than the Mega..
THESE FIGURES ARE FROM STANDARDLY FITTED RR MEGAS AND ABADDONS (as nobody fits 3 mag stabs on a RR mega).
Your mega starts with 7 guns and RR with 832 gun dps and 300 drone dps to be assigned.
300 thermal drone dmg from gaurd less 75.7% = 72.9 DPS. 482.56 kinetic damage from its guns less 71.9% = 135.6 DPS. 394.44 thermal damage from its guns less 75.7% = 84.9 DPS.
YOUR MEGA GETS A TOTAL OF 293.4 MAX DPS AT 4.5KM vs THE ABADDON.
4. Your mega has 73.4 em, 65.5 thermal resists and the abaddon does 58% more EM dmg with its guns than thermal so including the drones and after the megas resists:
The abaddon starts with 7 guns and RR with 802 gun dps and 180 drone dps to be assigned.
180 thr drone dmg less 65.5% = 62.1 DPS. 465.16 gun em damage less 73.4% = 123.8 DPS. 336.84 gun th damage less 65.5% = 116.2 DPS. THE ABAD GETS A TOTAL OF 302.1 MAX DPS AT 15KM vs YOUR MEGA.
THE ABAD GETS A TOTAL OF 302.1 MAX DPS AFTER RESISTS AT 15KM vs YOUR MEGA. THE MEGA GETS A TOTAL OF 293.4 MAX DPS AFTER RESISTS AT 4.5KM vs THE ABAD.
Your mega actually has 3% LESS DPS and 300% less range, and a WEAK 52.2% explosive resist hole and also has 18% LESS EHP.
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Posted - 2009.04.04 19:06:00 -
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Your mega fit sucks.
1. A med cap injector on a RR Blaster BS?.....LOL just LOL you really have no idea about how much blaster ships need to mwd do you?, let alone RR as well.
2. I make it 118,904 EHP with that fit and all level 5 skills NOT 128,450.
3. I make it 1132 raw dps with gaurd 2's and 1148 with ogre 2's although the instant dmg from sentries makes up for the lower dps as ogres only travel at 1000ish ms so against multiple targets thats a lot of lost dps from traveling.
4. You have a dirty great resistance hole in explosive (54.2% ) that makes your EHP figures a lot lower in actua combat than EFT shows due to how it figures them.
So you are short of cap be miles for starters and your EHP seems to be out by almost 10k.
I prefer my abaddon fit it uses sentries for starters has a little less EHP than your abaddon fit and still a lot more than the mega and also much much better overall resistances with no massive holes in 81.3em 75.7th 71.9ki 70.1ex (so a lot more practical in actual combat).
Also if you use a solace RR and a faint point you do not need any implants.
Well at least you can say you are consistant as you fitted both ships rather poorly imho...![Wink](/images/icon_wink.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.04 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 04/04/2009 19:06:26
Originally by: Traderboz You don't see anything wrong with fitting faction EANM on one ship and not the other when comparing EHP?
Who cares?, the Amarr Navy EANM is diry cheap anyways.
Not like 2.5% more to all resists have so much to say anyways. And it's all about to be able to fit the setup on the Mega.
If you use a normal t2 EANM, you have to use a -5% to turret cpu usage implant. And those implants is not cheap. So then you can buy a -3% one and then buy a faction EANM instead that are much much more cheap than the -5% implant.
And yet you did not bother to fit them on the abaddon??...can you spell biased?...![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Anyway i corrected your abaddon fit, and pointed out some rather large problems with your mega.....
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Posted - 2009.04.04 19:41:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
1. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. You can't fit a Heavy Cap Booster on a Neutron fitted Mega anyways dumbass . Not on a Mega with the setup i posted over though.
Iknow you cannot you muppet.
The fact that you do not consider that a rather large issue makes you the dumb ass btw..
Originally by: NightmareX 2. No, EFT says 128450 EHP with 2x plates and 2x MFS II's with all skills on level 5. I just checked that if the All Skills On Level 5 profile had any implants, but it doesn't have any implants on.
All level 5 on my eft says 2 x plates, 1 x amarr navy eanm, 1 x t2 adaptive plate, 1 x t2 DCU, 2 x mfs = 118,904 according to my figures.
Originally by: NightmareX 3. Like sentry drones will help if the Blaster Megas warps right in on top of you and sits 4 km from you and LOL at you .
They cannot be 4km from all the oposing ships, if you flew on TQ in gang pvp instead of warp to 0 fights in BF areas on sissi you would understand that.
Originally by: NightmareX And no, the EHP is still EHP no matter what the resists are. EFT calculate the EHP after how much Shield, armor and structure and how much resists you have.
The EHP can't get lower in real combat only because a ship have a low resist to something. The resist overall is the EHP.
Wrong its about good overall resists, if you had 95% kinetic resists but only 30% thermal eft would show you having good EHP but the truth would be that your tank would suck badly and the mega may have reasonable em resists but its explosive resists suck.
Originally by: NightmareX EDIT: Dude, didn't i fit Solace RR on both of the setups i posted over?. Oh god, your blind hahah.
Idid not fail at anything, you ninja edited your stupid fit while i was correcting it and pointing out how stupid it was.
I told you before think, test, think again then post...when will you learn?.
Originally by: NightmareX No you didn't correct anything on my setup at all, you only manipulated it so the Abaddon will gets better stats in every possible ways.
THE STATMENT OF THE YEAR........![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
What was i thinking fitting the abaddon correctly???....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.04 19:49:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 04/04/2009 19:49:55
Originally by: NightmareX
1. Fitting 3 HS II on the Abaddon when comparing it to 2x MFS II fitted Mega is not stupid at all then?.
The abaddon can handle it, if the mega cannot then that just shows yet another reason it needs fixing.
Originally by: NightmareX 2. The Megathron capacitor with 7x neutrons and one Solcace RR and a Medium Cap Booster II, 2x Plates and 2x MFS II is going to last is 1 min and 19 secs after what EFT says, while the Abaddon with a Heavy Cap Booster II only last for 1 min and 22 secs with 7 guns and 1 RR. This setup is with 3x HS II's . Oh boy, cap hungry ships is always fun to fight.
Give it a rest , the mega needs to run its mwd a LOT, while the abaddons have the range to hardly ever need to use it.
Originally by: NightmareX 3. If i did write in a t2 RR on the Abaddon earlier, then it was a typo. Because when i started to compare the stats on the Abaddon and the Megathron, then both of the ships in EFT had a solace fitted. So the stats are the same anyways. Fixed the typo now though.
If the abaddon fits your cheap faction eanm's it gets:
82.7em, 77.5th, 74.0ki, 72.3ex with 142,111 EHP![Shocked](/images/icon_eek.gif)
And thats with the single plate fit i prefer...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.04 20:06:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
1st thing. Yes the Megathron can handle 3x MFS II's perfectly fine if you fit the setup i posted.
Is that the med cap injector fit?...hows its tank with 3 mag stabs btw?...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX 2nd thing. The Mega doesn't need to run the MWD that much anyways.
Ladies and gentlemen we have a winner for the most clueless player in eve.
Originally by: NightmareX Last thing. No the Abaddon doesn't get that stats with my setup and with one Amarr Navy EANM fitted. The EM resist on EM goes from 76.1 to 77.1 on the Abaddon with one Amarr Navy EANM.
Learn to read i said my fit, you know the one done properly and with 2 eanm, 1 dcu, 1 plate, 3 heat sinks and 82.7em, 77.5th, 74.0ki, 72.3ex with 142,111 EHP.![Shocked](/images/icon_eek.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.04 20:15:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 04/04/2009 20:16:04
Originally by: NightmareX
First. If you use the same setups on the mega and Abaddon as i posted earlier, then the tank on the Mega will last long enough.
So if the abaddon is badly fitted without the benifits of the faction gear the mega may win?...i doubt it tbh but i wont find out as badly fitting a abaddon is just stupid...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX Second thing. learn to read MY FIT if you want to have a megathron with 3x MFS II fitted.
YOUR mega fit with 3 x mag stabs has 95,663 EHP and still the massive explosive hole.....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
MY 3 HS abaddon has 142,111 EHP with all holes well and truly plugged.
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Posted - 2009.04.04 20:46:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 04/04/2009 20:53:02
Originally by: NightmareX
Does the Abaddon need the faction EANM to be able to fit the setup?. No it doesn't. The Megathron does need it to fit 3x MFS II's on the setup.
Of course the abaddon does not need to cos the abaddon does not suck...although on the uber fit i just showed you it uses 2.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX No my Megathron with 3x MFS II's have 102886 EHP in EFT.
I have checked my EFT and a mega with:
3 x t2 mag stabs. 1 x t2 dcu 1 x amarr navy eanm 1 x t2 adaptive nano plating 1 x 1600 reinforced rolled tungston plates 1
Gets 95,663 ehp with all level 5 skills, so unless my eft is buggered (again) id say you maybe have a differant fit or a t2 rig or maybe a implant on the ship not your clone.
Originally by: NightmareX If you want to fit the Abaddon without using a -5% CPU implants for turrets, then you have to use 1x DC II, 2x 1600mm RTP, 1x EANM II and 3x HS II. Fit that in low slot and you can get away with fitting a -3% CPU implant for turrets.
Stop lying the 3 x HS RR abaddon does not need any implants if its fitted correctly.
7 x MP 2 1 x solace RR
1 x t2 HEAVY injector 1 x MWD 1 x fleeting web 1 x t2 warp disruptor
3 x HS 1 x t2 dcu 1 x 1600 reinforced rolled tungston plates 1 2 x amarr navy eanm (if you can use em so can i )
uses 699.25 cpu out of 700.
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Posted - 2009.04.04 21:28:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 04/04/2009 21:29:28
Originally by: NightmareX
Didn't you get the memo earlier?. You need to invest a little more isk on the megathron to get it to work very very nice.
I got it so i invested a little isk in the abaddon and made it even better...![Razz](/images/icon_razz.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX Second thing. No, you don't have that on all skills on level 5. Because if i take the profile to NightmareX, not All skills on level 5, also on how my skills are now, then i get around 94k EHP. But not when you have it on all skills on level 5. I get the 102+k EHP when it's on All skills on level 5.
Look i dunno whats going on then cos i have checked the mega fit and my all lvl5 eft dude and even gone over his skills to make sure that actually ARE all lvl5 and none are less burt it still comes out lower (95,663 ehp) for some reason.
Originally by: NightmareX Third thing. Yes yes, you edited my setup and changed the t2 EANM out for faction ones, and then you tell me i'm lying. Did i lie to you that you couldn't fit the t2 setup you posted earier without using a -5% cpu implant for turrets?.
On the one of the mega setups you used amarr navy eanm's but for some reason you ignored them even though they worked for my abaddon fit and chose to make a song and dance about it needing to fit a +5% expensive implant...like i said biased..
PS: stop ranting.
Oh and the megas resists with your 3 mag stab fit are 74.6em, 66.9th, 66.9ki, 54.2ex.
The abaddons with my uber fit are 82.7em, 77.5th, 74,ki, 72.3ex.
YOUR 3 x MFS mega fit hits the abaddon for 298.85dps after resists.
MY 3 x HS abaddon hits the mega for 289.19dps after resists.
So the mega does a grand total of 9.66 dps more after resists. Its gonna take you a while to get through the extra 40,000 EHP the abaddon has more than the mega at 9.66 dmg per second bud...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
And you still only have that med injector....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.04 22:04:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 04/04/2009 22:06:08
Originally by: NightmareX
Ok, since your using 2 faction modules, then i'm also gonna use 2 faction modules .
I did change the ANP II out for a faction ANP. So my resists are now higer. So now my Mega have one Amarr Navy EANM and one Dark Blood ANP.
How much id the DB ANP compared to the amarr navy ANP as only reasonably priced modules apply?.
Originally by: NightmareX But you know, EHP is not everything in PVP. It's alot more than that that are more important.
Like cap?..your using a med injector in a blaster BS pal.
Like DMG?..you only do 9.66 more dps after resists.
Like range?..you have 300% less range and anything outside your perfect 4.5-5km optimal your dps drops while the abaddons does not.
And yes 40,000 more ehp on the baddon is very significant as well.
Originally by: NightmareX Maybe i haven't seen it yet, but can you tell me how you gets to the numbers of '3 x MFS mega fit hits the abaddon for 298.85dps after resists' and 'Your 3 x HS abaddon hits the mega for 289.19dps after resists'?.
I'll just want to see if your doing everything right here.
If you know how to do it to check then you do not need me to explain it to you, figure it out your self, oh and i used sentries on both ships.
Originally by: NightmareX Yeah, the Neutron Mega only have a Medium Cap Booster II. Not like it need anything more though. I have never had problems with that when i have been testing out a Megathron with Neutrons and that with only a Medium Cap Booster II. I have in fact never been in cap troubles.
You have never flown it in RR gang combat on TQ, playing around with it on sissi is worthless.
The only reason ppl use the mega now is because they have nothing else trained cos if they could fly amaar they would, even the RR phoon fit is better than the standard RR mega.
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Posted - 2009.04.04 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX And you know, it's like 1 year and 4 months since the FOTM of Amarr started.
Amarr got better 1yr 4 months ago but it was the web nerf that screwed a lot of blaster BS pilots and that was not 1yr 4 months ago. Anyway the very fact that their have been dozens of threads about the problems with blaster BS all full of very experianced blastyer BS pilots pointing out the problems gives you a clue.
Originally by: NightmareX Then why don't we see any more Amarr battleships in gangs now than it was before that?. Or maybe there is some few more % that use an Abaddon or Geddons now.
We do, even the guys you tried to show as blaster users have started using more amarr BS now.
Originally by: NightmareX Yes i know this is about a Kronos here, but that's not the point.
That is part of the point, the rest is that it proved and showed nothing other than sissi bears no resembalance to TQ.
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Posted - 2009.04.04 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX You only think boohoo, it's sisi so it can't be true. But when you have done thousands of times in a RR gang on Sisi, i'm sure i have tried every possible ways you can fight and do RR gangs in. Then i'm sure i can say how RR gangs works.
If you have tried every way then its about time you grew a pair and did it on TQ instead of hiding on sissi where the ships and uber fits are dirt cheap.
Originally by: NightmareX How often do you find enemies that just want to set up a gang with 10 ships only because you have 10 ships?. It's almost never happening.
On TQ?..never and thats the point, you play on sissi cos you NEED to organise fights that suit you instead of getting on TQ and needing to fully adapt, properly scout and be prepared to be blobbed half way through a fight.
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Posted - 2009.04.04 23:27:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
1. I have done it when i have had the time yeah. I'm the person who like to test out things to and not just waste isk on TQ just to test out something that you can test for free on sisi. That's what the test server are for. You can test out EVERY possible ways that have with PVP to do.
YUou do not tesat on sissi you play on sissi because its easier to post in local and ask for a gang or ship to fight than it is on TQ to go looking for one and maybe getting owned. You have been playing on sissi for years and the excuse "im testing stuffs" got old long ago.
Anyway my PC seems to be borked as windows defender will not start and my update manager refuses to work so i need to figure out wtf is going on with it.
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Posted - 2009.04.05 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
All of my setups on sisi is all pure t2 on all of the ships.
Including rigs and HG implants making any data you gather worthless for TQ.
Originally by: NightmareX The only ship i have on sisi, that i also have on TQ with the same setup is the Megathron Navy Issue. And it's fitted with faction and officer modules.
That's the only ship i have that are fitted with faction & officer modules.
The Navy Mega with the setup on TQ is worth around 1.1 bill isk atm.
And you have never pvp'd in it....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Pretty much sums you up tbh...
Originally by: NightmareX Oh while thinking on faction BS'es. What faction BS does Amarr have that is a good close range BS ?. Oh wat, don't say me that the Navy Apoc is a good close range BS lol.
What makes you think your faction fitted navy mega is good for close range BS pvp when you have never tried it?.
Il tell you pal it is good....a good target..![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.05 01:19:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
1. So your saying that no one on sisi is using t2 rigs and HG slave / crystal sets there?.
No i am saying that they do and because of that the data they gather is worthless for TQ.
PS: do you really need to explain every little thought and deluded rant that runs through your brain?
I DO NOT CARE SO UNLESS YOU HAVE MORE SILLY FITS OR ON TOPIC SUBJECTS TO POST STFU ABOUT YOUR SISSI CRAP COS ITS IRRELAVANT.
Communicating with you is like talking to a 11 year old, grow up or go away.
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Posted - 2009.04.05 01:49:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 05/04/2009 01:50:19 Megas resists with your 3 mag stab fit are 74.6em, 66.9th, 66.9ki, 54.2ex with 95,663 EHP.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
The abaddons with my uber fit are 82.7em, 77.5th, 74,ki, 72.3ex 142,111 EHP.
Megas 3 x MFS mega fit hits the abaddon for 298.85dps after resists.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
MY 3 x HS abaddon hits the mega for 289.19dps after resists.
The mega has 0-5km of range with that dps.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
The abaddon has 0-15km of range with that dps.
The abaddon can fit a LARGE INJECTOR.
The mega can only fit a MEDIUM INJECTOR.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
So the mega does a grand total of 9.66 dps more after resists.
The abaddon has 40,000 more EHP.
VS
nightmarex saying:
![Crying or Very sad](/images/icon_cry.gif) ![Crying or Very sad](/images/icon_cry.gif) WAAAAAAA "BUT PPL FLY MEGAS STILL" WAAAAAAAAA.![Crying or Very sad](/images/icon_cry.gif) ![Crying or Very sad](/images/icon_cry.gif) ![Crying or Very sad](/images/icon_cry.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.05 02:03:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 05/04/2009 02:05:53
Originally by: NightmareX Pointless 1 vs 1 stats comparsion is pointless.
Its not a 1 v 1 stat its a comparison of the available attributes that the ships have.
Originally by: NightmareX I ONLY cares about what ship is the best RR BS ship to use today, not what kind of ships that have the highest EHP.
The RR phoon and the RR abaddon are much better than the RR mega.
And the reason you are so focused on the fact that the mega is still flown is because you lost every rational and factual argument so you needed to find a (il)logic loop. So you are trying to use the fact that the mega is still flown to leap to non-existant conclusions about it being uber, its rather sad actually.
PPL still fly lots of ships in eve that suck and always have, when amarr sucked ppl still flew them and the same applies now, only its blaster battleships that suck and ppl aint trained another race yet or cannot be bothered to as they know things will eventually get changed.
You tried to spin the same crap with your electric alt and you are doing it again here so so so sad...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.05 02:25:00 -
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Originally by: Traderboz Part of me is entertained by this thread, another part could care less, and yet another part is annoyed with the obvious bias in some of the failfits posted and the faulty conclusions drawn therefrom. I'll probably keep reading it just because I can't seem to look away. ![Neutral](/images/icon_neutral.gif)
Maybe you would like to post a list of win fits if your such a pro...
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Posted - 2009.04.05 02:47:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 05/04/2009 02:51:42
Originally by: NightmareX
1. Yes it was clearly a 1 vs 1 stats between the Abaddon and megathron you did. And that's pointless when we are talking about RR gangs.
They were comparative stats that fully apply to RR gang combat.
How is 40,000 more ehp per ship with better resists and no holes pointless in RR gangs?.
How is a large cap injector pointless compared to a medium in RR gangs?.
How is 300% more range at the dmg amounts mentioned pointless in RR gangs?.
Originally by: NightmareX No the Abaddon is not better than the Mega when it's about RR gangs. The Typhoon might be better for RR, but then, you need a crap ton of SP behind your character before you can use the Typhoon effectivly.
The abaddon is better in every way unless you fit the mega with 3 mag stabs then the mega does 9.66 more dps on the abaddon at 4.5km than the abaddon does against it....LOL.![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Oh and just in case you cannot do the math in a 20 vs 20 RR BS fight that is 192 more dps for the mega gang.....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
And 800,000 more EHP for the abaddon gang...![Very Happy](/images/icon_biggrin.gif) ![Shocked](/images/icon_eek.gif)
You had no idea how to fit a blaster ship for TQ before this thread educated you and you certainly do not know how to fly them or understand their weaknesses.
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Posted - 2009.04.05 02:53:00 -
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Originally by: Fatality Killer
Originally by: Childstar You tried to spin the same crap with your electric alt and you are doing it again here so so so sad...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Ehm, i'm not sure how many times i have told you that me, Fatality Killer is NightmareX's alt.
Maybe i should write a letter to you where the same is written so you have it documented on paper, so you don't forget is like you have done now for the 46947649867494th times now?.
You could try and stop lying about it, i bet that would help a little..![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Childstar
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Posted - 2009.04.05 09:39:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
About the Heavy Cap Booster vs the Medium Cap Booster.
Do you know how much cap the Abaddon eats every minutes?. And do you know how much cap the Blaster Mega eats per minute. The Pulse Abaddon eats butt load more cap than the Blaster Mega does. So that's the reason the Mega doesn't need the Heavy Cap Booster.
The mega needs to MWD a lot even if they land close to the other gang by the time they kill the primary the other gang will have moved away, the laser ships do not.
Originally by: NightmareX And then about the 300% more range.
Do you really think 300% more range will help if the other gang with Blaster Megas and RR Domis will warp in right on top of you?. And when 6 Gallente BS'es warps in on your 6 man gang, i'm sure they will spread points and webs on most of you anways, so your not going anywhere.
Keep lowering the numbers pal im sure you may find a tiny niche where blasters may not suck.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX
You say i didn't know how to fit a Mega before this topic started?. Oh, so you mean that the Navy Mega i have had for many months before this topic even started is not good fitted because i didn't know how to fit it?.
LOL, with my current setup and the HG Slave set, my Navy Mega have 340k EHP (74.9k Armor HP). And it's still doing 1013 DPS.
Is that the one you have NEVER flown in combat on TQ?...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
PS: LOL at you getting spanked by your own alliance members for being a clueless troll.
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Posted - 2009.04.05 13:59:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 05/04/2009 14:06:06
Originally by: NightmareX
1. I don't care how low your capacitor skills is, but i for sure don't have a problem to MWD a bit with a Medium Cap Booster II. I still have plenty on cap left after i have been MWDing a bit.
Like i have said, i have never had any problems with that. So if you have problems to use a Medium Cap Booster, then for sure don't use it.
I have perfect tertiary skills, and the reason you do not run out of cap is because you fly on sissi and ask in local for the exact type of gang fights you want at the range you want.
Instead of being on TQ where things are not aranged to be just as you want them to be.
Originally by: NightmareX 2. It's still the fact, when the Blaster megas and some Domis warps right in on you, then i'm sure you omguber awesome 300% more range wont help no matter what you say.
So what if they warpin at the perfect range against the abaddon the megas only do 9.66 more DPS lol.....but the ABADDONS have 40,000 more EHP and better resists, and thats without getting a bit of distance or needing to approach every target like the megas would need to.
Get a clue.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX I got spanked by my own alliance mate?, hah, nah i don't think so. He didn't know that i had a RL and that i had been doing some inty ops the last days when i saw that i had time. And he said i don't read the alliance forum, but in fact i'm on there and check the forum every day.
He did not care if you have a RL he thinks you are a tool just like the rest of us do. And he clearly pointed out that your own alliance uses RAIL MEGAS for RR BS gangs cos blasters suck at it...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
You did not know how to fit TQ megas before this thread.
Your exaple of a pvp corp uses rail megas and amarr BS the most.
Your own alliance members think you are a total fool with no clue and they also use RAIL MEGAS.
Just how owned do you need to be on this topic?.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.05 15:05:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 05/04/2009 15:06:42
Originally by: NightmareX
1. LOL, so your saying that my capacitor is much lower on TQ than it is on Sisi?. LOL, your funny.
Show me where i said that?.
Originally by: NightmareX 2. Your pointless 1 vs 1 comparsion between the Abaddon and the Mega is still useless in a RR gang situation. How many times do i have to tell you this?.
Its not a 1 v 1 comparison its just a comparison, you just wanna call it a 1 v 1 comparison in the hopes of discrediting the FACTS.
Originally by: NightmareX 4. Yes i did know how to fit a Mega on TQ long way before this topic started. FYI, i started to use the Megathron almost 2 years ago. And i can say for sure that after 1 month after i had used it the first time, i did know already what kind of setup that was the best that time. But just take note, that time was not the time when Omni tanks was so much used. So i had more of an Dual LAR setup that time.
Blah blah blah... nighmarex 0 kills in a mega found on any KB in eve...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX 5. I don't care what kind of weapons that is used. The thing is that the Megathron is the most popular BS on 90% of all of the killboards that are here today from EVE.
![Very Happy](/images/icon_biggrin.gif) ![Very Happy](/images/icon_biggrin.gif) ![Very Happy](/images/icon_biggrin.gif)
OMG a BLASTER BS thread and now you are moving the goal posts to gallente BS..........HOW OWNED?.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
MASSIVLY OWNED![Shocked](/images/icon_eek.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.05 15:20:00 -
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So other than trying to change the topic to "gallente ships are flown in eve so im right about everying i say about anything ever" do you have anything that is actually on topic to add?.
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Posted - 2009.04.05 18:47:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 05/04/2009 18:48:13
Originally by: NightmareX 1. When you say that ow boohoo, its only on sisi you use the Mega and more boohoo rabble, then why are you saying that?.
Because:
1. you do not fit it TQ style you pimp it with HG implants and T2 rigs, you even use navy megas or marauders....![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
2. You ask in local for ppl to fight instead of trying to find ppl.
3. You even ask for specific numbers ffs...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
4. Between fights you reload cap boosters ect, summat that a lot of roaming gangs CANNOT do.
5. The ppl you fight do not fit TQ style either.
Originally by: NightmareX 2. What kind of comparsion is that then?. You are clearly comparing the Megathron to the Abaddon, and that's not a comparsion to a 1 vs 1 in stats?. LOL.
When you compare things you show both their stats and abilities, i was showing the abilities of both when used in RR gangs. The abaddon won by far and you emo raged and tried to turn the post into a 1 v 1 troll to try and discredit it.
You are a pathetic, lying, clueless troll whos own alliance members think is a total idiot and no matter if you post on your electric alt or anybody else you always will be. Oh and i did not see the point of responding to the rest of your pathetic attempt at a self justifying rant..![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Now why dont you go away and spew your worthless trolly crap somewhere else.
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Posted - 2009.04.05 19:27:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 05/04/2009 19:30:07
Originally by: NightmareX 1. So when does HG slave set or Crystal set or t2 trimarks have anything on how i use my MWD on Sisi?.
I NEVER SAID THEY EFFECTED YOUR MWD ALTHOUGH I HAVE SAID THEY MAKE ANY DATA YOU GATHER WORTHLESS.
DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT ON TQ YOU CANNOT ALWAYS CHOOSE THE EXACT RANGE YOU FIGHT AT OR THE RANGE HOSTILE REINFORCMENTS LAND AT???, AND THAT MEANS A LOT OF MWD USAGE FOR BLASTER SHIPS.
ALSO THE 295,000+ EHP YOUR LG NAVY MEGA HAS, OR EVEN THE EXTRA EHP A NORMAL MEGA WOULD HAVE USING THOSE RIGS AND IMPLANTS DO YOU THINK WOULD NOT EFFECT THE SHIPS FIGHTING THEM AND THEIR CAP USAGE?????.
ARE YOU REALLY THAT CLUELESS???...DO YOU ACTUALLY GET IT NOW ITS BEEN EXPLAINED????...
Originally by: NightmareX
Anyways, because i have alot of isk, i rather buy a Navy Mega with 3x t1 Trimarks and fit it up with a t2 setup rather than using an Abaddon. Because the Navy Mega is a fuk ton better in DPS and EHP than the Abaddon ever can dream of.
yeah like i have said, i'm always after the best ship for the different tasks i can do on TQ.
YOU HAVE NEVER USED IT ON TQ SOLO OR IN A RR GANG OR NORMAL GANG SO STFU UNTIL YOU DO.
AND CLAIMING YOU DO NOT HAVE THE TIME TO PLAY IS RUBBISH AS YOU HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO TROLL THIS THREAD EVERY DAY FOR HOURS.
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Posted - 2009.04.05 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX You know that almost everywhere i go, i have access to the internet.
WOW 7 days a week 24 hours a day unable to play eve....yet constantly trolling......![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
I think we have heard enough lies fron you and your alts on this thread already.
Originally by: NightmareX
Answer me why i should use an Abaddon over a Navy Mega i have when it's about DPS and EHP?.
When you actually use the navy mega on TQ i will answer you.
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Posted - 2009.04.05 19:57:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 05/04/2009 20:03:04
Originally by: NightmareX
Yes i'm going to start using my Navy Mega when i have the time to get my sec status back up to -1.9. And when that will happen i have no answers for.
Or maybe you can tell me why i should use an Abaddon over a Navy Mega right now, because if you really convince me to go to an Abaddon over a Navy Mega, then i don't have to wait, i can just start training for the Abaddon right now.
Isn't that a good idea ?.
Stop lying about being to busy, grow a pair and get in your navy mega im looking forwards to seeing either a gang with you in it ganking solo ships and easy kills, or your loss mail....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
What is the exact gang fit you "say" you are going to use on TQ?.
I suppose you have no choice but to faction fit it cos of the cpu problems...![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.05 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 05/04/2009 20:08:47
Originally by: Childstar Edited by: Childstar on 05/04/2009 19:57:33
Originally by: NightmareX
Yes i'm going to start using my Navy Mega when i have the time to get my sec status back up to -1.9. And when that will happen i have no answers for.
Or maybe you can tell me why i should use an Abaddon over a Navy Mega right now, because if you really convince me to go to an Abaddon over a Navy Mega, then i don't have to wait, i can just start training for the Abaddon right now.
Isn't that a good idea ?.
Stop lying about being to busy, grow a pair and get in your navy mega im looking forwards to seeing either a gang with you in it ganking solo ships and easy kills, or your loss mail....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
What is the exact fit btw?.
I'm very busy in RL atm. I don't have a job though, but i have other 'VERY' important things to take care of atm.
My setup on my Navy mega is posted several times on this forum, so you should find it.
But meh. Just to to my link under my signature and then go to my web page as i have linked to in that post and then go to the Setup page and then look under Megathron Navy Issue setups where i have written (My Current Setup). And just ignore the implants and stats i have fitted there atm. Because i don't have those implants there on TQ now. Just look at what setup i have on the ship.
The implants there is only the implants i would use if i have had the isk for it. It have LG Slave set on though and some other damage implants and a ROF implant etc.
The LG Slave set is implants i will buy when i'm ready to use the Navy Mega anyways.
Still with the med cap injector....expensive fail but still fail.
I see why you do not fly it on TQ now...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.05 20:23:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 05/04/2009 20:23:23
Originally by: Trader20 Nightmarex and Childstar, why don't you both go on sisi and have an arranged 1v1 fight and solve this problem?
1 v 1 on sissi is for ppl without the balls to fly on TQ, so i suppose nightnare would be up for it but i only use sissi for valid TQ fit testing.
EDIT for lulz after reading nightmares reply...
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Posted - 2009.04.05 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: Childstar Still with the med cap injector....expensive fail but still fail.
I see why you do not fly it on TQ now...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
I would fly it all the time on TQ if i could do it now.
Well even with the Medium Cap Booster, i'm doing great with both MWDing and RRing. I have never had cap problems even with both running .
So that is in fact not a problem at all.
You have always flown it in a controled environment before....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.05 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: Childstar
Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: Childstar Still with the med cap injector....expensive fail but still fail.
I see why you do not fly it on TQ now...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
I would fly it all the time on TQ if i could do it now.
Well even with the Medium Cap Booster, i'm doing great with both MWDing and RRing. I have never had cap problems even with both running .
So that is in fact not a problem at all.
You have always flown it in a controled environment before....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Yes only when i have been testing the ship against specific ships.
But anyways, read my reply before you replied here now.
I read and responded, med cap injector on a RR BLASTER BS = FAIL.
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Posted - 2009.04.05 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 05/04/2009 20:58:17
Originally by: Childstar I read and responded, med cap injector on a RR BLASTER BS = FAIL.
You clearly haven't tried a Megathron with Neutrons i see .
If you want to see something that is REALLY fail, then try to fit one Medium Cap Booster II on your Abaddon lol.
I have flown nuetron megas on TQ pal thats how i know they are fail now, and thats more than you have ever done.
And why would i do something so stupid as to fit a med cap injector on a abaddon when it can easily fit a large????...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Have you noticed that all your scenarios need the abbadon to be fitted totally stupidly and the mega to be using faction or in this case a faction BS and fit.....![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
The real fail in this thread is YOU..![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.05 21:53:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 05/04/2009 21:54:46
Originally by: Traderboz My view on it is that if you can't fit Neutrons + RR + Heavy Cap booster, the best solution isn't to downsize your booster to a medium, because that's simply not going to be able to keep up with guns+mwd+RR. IMO you really should consider a second booster or upgrading to a large cap booster, even if that means possibly downsizing your guns.
Of course, that doesn't do good things for the DPS argument, lol, but I'm just saying. I really, really don't think a medium cap booster is sufficient to power neutrons+mwd+RR for any practical/useful length of time.
Its not enough bud....., especially if you consider being low on cap from the start from a warpin...and nightmare seems to always be able to warp in at the perfect range for blasters in his scenarios...![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
So initially low cap from warping + The med booster runs at 12ish seconds per cycle with a 10 second reload so 22ish seconds per 800 cap.
Instead of 800 cap every 12ish seconds for 5 cycles and then a reload cycle that you get with a T2 injector.
Lets not talk about nuets bud (even though they are regularlky fitted on gang ships) ....., after all he has gone from not being able to fit a mega for TQ properly, to using faction gear and still getting owned...and now he says he needs to use a fation mega......is we keep going he will start claiming to is gonna fly on TQ in fully pimped fed navy mega gangs....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.05 22:06:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 05/04/2009 22:12:16
Originally by: NightmareX
If you go back and read what i have said, i said that i would buy a Navy Mega with 3x t1 Trimarks and T2 fitting ANY days before i buy an Abaddon if it's about having the most DPS and EHP. I didn't say that i would buy a Navy Mega to 1.1 bill isk before i would buy a T2 fitted Abaddon.
What ever, the T2 fitted T1 rigged navy mega should be interesting to fit though...
With that extra low slot cpu is gonna be a big issue i think...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX Yes when you are using a ship that have 25% better resists than the Mega have, then i can for sure use a Navy Mega that have 25% more HP than the normal Mega to comnpare against the Abaddon.
Im using a ship that is easily and cheaply (compared to the navy mega) gained and fitted for pvp.
If you think the megas bonuses suck or it has such bad fitting issues compared to the abaddon that you need to buy a faction mega to compensate then you have learned summat else about how bad blaster BS are now....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.05 22:20:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 05/04/2009 22:23:14 Edited by: Childstar on 05/04/2009 22:20:45
Originally by: NightmareX
What?, your saying that your low on cap after a warp?. LOL it's not like your going to do a 300 AU warp though.
I don't know how low your capacitor skills is, but my skills is definly good enough to be able to use a Medium Capacitor Booster on a Neutron fitted Mega for a goooooood time.
I have perfect skills in all the tertiary systems for flying ships, and less cap is less cap.
Originally by: NightmareX Actually after what EFT says, then the Abaddon's cap lasts 3 secs longer with a Heavy Capacitor Booster II than the Megathron's cap does with a Medium Capacitor Booster II fitted. LOL, aint that funny?. And not only that, but the Abaddon have like 800 more capacitor than the Mega to.
No the funny thing is that with a available range of 0-15km then out to 45km with scorch that you are so stupid to think the abaddon will need to run its MWD even close to as much as the megas........![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX You didn't even know that a RR fitted Neutron Mega couldn't fit a Heavy Capacitor Booster II on the ship with Neutrons.
ERM excuse me but IM the one saying blaster BS suck (along with your alliance mates ) and yes i already knew it could not fit a large cap injector..that is one of the problems ffs..
Originally by: NightmareX If you haven't got the memo yet, i'm going after the best ship when it's about DPS and EHP. ISK is not a problem for me. So when i want the best that way. Then i'm going for the Navy Mega.
Fine lets see your T2 only T1 rigged NAVY MEGA fit then.....![Very Happy](/images/icon_biggrin.gif)
EDIT: This is gonna be gooooooooooooooood...how many times have i told you to check things before you post...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.05 22:41:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 05/04/2009 22:42:10 Limiting it to T2 mods and T1 rigs again causes major issues even on the navy mega...
So far i have got it with:
7 t2 nuetrons 1 solace RR
1 t2 mwd 1 MED cap injector 1 fleeting web 1 faint point
3 t2 mag stabs 1 t2 dcu 2 1600 rolled plates 2 t2 adaptive nano plating
That pushes the cpu usage to 682.25/687.5 so its does not have even enough to fit a t2 point if it uses 3 mag stabs, and even if it drops a mag stab it still cannot fit a T2 eanm unless it uses faction or a implant.
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Posted - 2009.04.06 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren Yea because a navy mega with a med cap booster makes it so much better...
It makes it a better target...you should see hit faction 1.1 bil navy RR mega it has a FACTION MED injector![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Shocked](/images/icon_eek.gif) along with lots of other faction mods......![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
He claims he is gonna use it but i think its for waggling at girls and impressing noobs with tbh...![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.06 00:37:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
First i will say that i used the gang skills on both of the ships. So the stats is better on the Navy mega no matter hoe you twist it.
Ofc i'm not an idiot and does not include gang bonuses when we are talking about RR gangs here .
You will get the armor bonuses in a gang like that anyways.
Fine all lvl5 skills for gang bonuses ect gives the NAVY MEGA 152,147 EHP and the abaddon 153,882EHP.
The abad has more ehp and also better resists....![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.06 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: Childstar
Originally by: Liang Nuren Yea because a navy mega with a med cap booster makes it so much better...
It makes it a better target...you should see hit faction 1.1 bil navy RR mega it has a FACTION MED injector![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Shocked](/images/icon_eek.gif) along with lots of other faction mods......![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
He claims he is gonna use it but i think its for waggling at girls and impressing noobs with tbh...![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Yeah my Navy Mega with a pooooooor and crappy Medium Capacitor Booster still pwn your Heavy Capacitor Booster II fail Abaddon anyways .
Oh look its waggling.....and he thinks that a 1.1 bil faction ship beating a t2 fitted standard BS in 1 v 1 is impressive enough to crow about....![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.06 00:49:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 06/04/2009 00:52:36 Edited by: Childstar on 06/04/2009 00:51:44 By my all level5 figures the navy mega with:
7x Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L 1x Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
1x 100MN MicroWarpdrive II 1x Warp Disruptor II 1x Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I 1x Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
1x Damage Control II 1x Amarr Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane 2x Adaptive Nano Plating II 1x 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 3x Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Gets 77.3em, 70.5th, 70.5ki, 59.2ex with 152,147 EHP and 1235dps with gaurd t2.
Are you including gang skills or summat?.
And that (unless it my eft thats gimped) is less EHP and much less resistance than my 3 HS abaddon fit (82.7em, 77.5th, 74ki, 72.3ex with 153,822EHP)
Your NAVY MEGA hits my abaddon for 296.75 dps from 0-5km.
My abaddon hits your NAVY MEGA for 258.05 dps from 0-15km.
That is a differance of 38.7 dps at 5km.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
So at VERY BEST and if its my EFT that is gimped your NAVY MEGA gets 38.7 more dps at 5km and 3000 more EHP than my abaddon fit....
If its your EFT thats gimped the abaddon gets 1675 more EHP.
And like i said for a crappy med injector fit and 3k more ehp it aint woth jack let alone the cost of a navy mega..![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.06 00:51:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 06/04/2009 00:54:00
Originally by: NightmareX
I'm talking about the t2 fitted with one faction EANM fit you dumbass.
Stop thinking about the 1.1 bill isk setup and concentrate on what i'm talking about.
Maybe you should read what i was talking about and what you replied to dumbass.
Post 1477 was about your other silly pimped navy mega, so if you wanted to troll the convo you should have specified.
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Posted - 2009.04.06 00:58:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 06/04/2009 01:01:24
Originally by: NightmareX rant
Read my convo with liang for context in 1477 noob, i was telling her about youR silly pimped navy mega and you came flying in to the convo saying it would pwn without specifying the T2 one.
LTR AND SPECIFY AS I TOLD YOU.
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Posted - 2009.04.06 01:10:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 06/04/2009 01:12:51
Originally by: NightmareX
Abaddon fit...ect
With this setup, you have 149678 EHP. And you have 76.1% EM, 68.9% Thermal, 64.1% Kinetic and 61.7% Explosive resists with all skills on level 5.
And just remember again, the Navy Mega need the Amarr Navy EANM to be able to fit the 3x MFS II setup. But you don't need it because you have enough CPU to fit it with only a -3% CPU usage on turrets implant.
The abaddon with 1 or 2 amarr navy eanm does not need a implant and has 153,882 EHP with 82.7em, 77.5th, 74ki, 72.3ex with 2 eanm and 1 plate.
With 1 amarr navy eanm and 2 plates it has 154,439EHP 77.1em, 70.2th, 65.6ki, 63.3ex.
Both of those fits have higher EHP than your navy mega, but then you knew that and tried to avoid it.....more bias'd fitting crap from you as per usual..![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.06 01:14:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 06/04/2009 01:12:59
Originally by: Childstar
Originally by: NightmareX
Abaddon fit...ect
With this setup, you have 149678 EHP. And you have 76.1% EM, 68.9% Thermal, 64.1% Kinetic and 61.7% Explosive resists with all skills on level 5.
And just remember again, the Navy Mega need the Amarr Navy EANM to be able to fit the 3x MFS II setup. But you don't need it because you have enough CPU to fit it with only a -3% CPU usage on turrets implant.
The abaddon with 2 amarr navy eanm does not need a implant and has 153,882 EHP with 82.7em, 77.5th, 74ki, 72.3ex.
With 1 amarr navy eanm it has 154,439EHP 77.1em, 70.2th, 65.6ki, 63.3ex.
Both of those fits have higher EHP than your navy mega, but then you knew that and tried to avoid it.....more bias'd fitting crap from you as per usual..![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Do you want to know how much EHP my Navy Mega have with one faction EANM and one faction ANP?. Yes when you are using 2 faction modules then i for sure will use it.
Using 1....and your still in a navy mega btw...![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
With 1 amarr navy eanm it has 154,439EHP 77.1em, 70.2th, 65.6ki, 63.3ex.
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Posted - 2009.04.06 01:20:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 06/04/2009 01:18:37
Originally by: Childstar Using 1....and your still in a navy mega btw...![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
With 1 amarr navy eanm it has 154,439EHP 77.1em, 70.2th, 65.6ki, 63.3ex.
Yes the Navy Mega need the one faction EANM to be able to fit the setup so the one faction EANM i use is something that we don't need to think about. How many times do i have to tell that?.
And because you then trow in one faction module then only because i HAVE to use one faction module to be able to fit my setup, then i will for sure use one extra faction module to.
Anyways with 1x Amarr Navy EANM and one Dark Blood ANP the Navy Mega have 154926 EHP AND still does 24% more DPS than your Abaddon.
So a whole 487 more EHP more than the abaddon and all you need are 2 faction mods and a NAVY MEGA that can only fit a MED injector...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.06 01:39:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 06/04/2009 01:41:18 Edited by: Childstar on 06/04/2009 01:39:40
Originally by: NightmareX
Or lets say that i land right on top of you. Oi oi, now you have to spend 2400 cap every 43 secs while i only have to spend 955.5 cap every 43 secs . Now who are going run out of cap first here?.
You are because you need to sit close to the primary while the baddons can burn away even without mwding and rep while doing so (at least initially).
After the first ship is down the second target you go for will be way out side 4.5km so you will need to either do a lot less damage due to its range or MWD after it.
And you will need to do this for every single hostile ship.
MWD and lose your cap very quickly or do a lot less dmg than the abaddons cos you are way outside 4.5km from them.
You choose..
Know you know why your alliance uses rails, you would to if you every pvp'd in RR gangs on TQ with them.![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.06 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: Childstar Edited by: Childstar on 06/04/2009 01:39:40
Originally by: NightmareX
Or lets say that i land right on top of you. Oi oi, now you have to spend 2400 cap every 43 secs while i only have to spend 955.5 cap every 43 secs . Now who are going run out of cap first here?.
You are because you need to sit close to the primary while the baddons can burn away even without mwding and rep while doing so (at least initially).
First off, again your still terrible at readin what i'm saying. Was i talking about a gang now?, no i was talking a comparsion between the Navy Mega and the Abaddon when they shoot at each others on who are using most cap. or on whos most cap stable.
This was a PURE comparsion between the 2 ships on whos using most cap etc. It was not about how it is in a gang.
![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
As i said earlier all my fits and scenarios applied to gang combat, but you tried to spin them into 1 v 1 matches and discredit them because of that.
You not only failed miserably at doing that but now you have the stupidity to deliberatly ignore the gang scenario and actually say your comparing them while not in a gang![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ...![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Im going to bed i suggest you stfu unless you have something to add to this thread that does not involve navy megas or silly faction fits or anything else that is just not used on TQ.
Maybe you could even take a few lessons in actual pvp from your alliance members cos unless you have eft on you ipod or what ever you use you must be at you PC (did you think that nobody would notice that you use EFT a lot in this thread but also claim you are away from you PC im looking forwards to you spinning a new tale to cover that tbh.).
Try logging to TQ in and learning summat.
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Posted - 2009.04.06 09:06:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 06/04/2009 09:08:28
Originally by: NightmareX
What do you do when you compare the stats on 2 ships?, you can't just start to compare the capacitor stats from both of the gangs then when i want to find out what ship that is the most cap stable between a Navy Mega and an Abaddon.
Or are you to dumb to understand that?. I'll guess so.
You mean you do not know what ship is more cap stable?.......ask yourself why your own alliance RR gang megas fit rails as that is cap related.
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Posted - 2009.04.06 09:18:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 06/04/2009 09:19:36
Originally by: NightmareX
No you don't have control of the fight in FFA 1 on sisi either . Like right now, the Abaddon i tried got massivly spanked by 10 frigs, 2x t3 cruisers and a Rook on sisi in FFA 1. And the next mega i warped in there, and the Mega after that to.
Guess what i did, yes i did bring in a new battleship with ECCM after some tries and then they couldn't jam me much and i managed to kill some of them and they started to lose there and the rest warped out. Victory for me there i'll guess .
So you lost 1 abaddon and 2 megas but eventually managed to kill a couple of cruisers or frigs and you consider that a victory... Typical sissi warrior attitude when things cost 100 isk...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX How is that's not like it is on TQ, if not, then i don't know what you take as most realistic TQ fights.
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Im actually gonna bookmark this as its totally classic....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.06 09:25:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 06/04/2009 09:10:50
Originally by: Childstar
Originally by: NightmareX
What do you do when you compare the stats on 2 ships?, you can't just start to compare the capacitor stats from both of the gangs then when i want to find out what ship that is the most cap stable between a Navy Mega and an Abaddon.
Or are you to dumb to understand that?. I'll guess so.
You mean you do not know what ship is more cap stable?.......ask yourself why youyr own alliance RR gang megas fit rails as that is cap related.
Yes, the Neutron fitted setups on the Megas is way waaaaaaay more cap stable than your Pulse Abaddon ever can dream of. And yeah, i don't have a problem to fit Rails and RR's on the Megas when we are doing the type of PVP we are doing. Because i can still fit 2x Large RR's my self on my Sniper Tempest with 1400mm t2 guns anyways.
The reason why most ppl fit rail megas for RR is because blaster megas they use up way to much cap MWDing around to get into range and do crappy damage while doing so.
If you flew on TQ you would know that.
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Posted - 2009.04.06 09:29:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
EDIT: LOL was checking on how long my cap is lasting with the current setup i use on my Navy mega on TQ WITH A DARK BLOOD MEDIUM CAPACITOR BOOSTER. And LOL, my cap is lasting for 1 min and 46 seconds with one Medium Cap Booster, also 24 secs longer than the Abaddonss cap would last with a Heavy Capacitor Booster II.
Now isn't that epicly funny ?.
Yes, i mean thinking that the abaddon will need to mwd even close to as much as a blaster BS is so epically funny...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX with the current setup i use on my Navy mega on TQ.
This part is expecially amusing as you have NEVER used it on TQ...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.06 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
Are you really this dumb?. Did you actually read what really happened after i changed to an ECCM?. no you didn't. You was to busy to do the emo posting.
I read it all and your the one who is dumb.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX I said that i did use an ECCM so they coudn't jam me much, and by that, i managed to kill half of the 12-14 man gang that was in FFA 1. And then the gang started to fall back because they couldn't jam us and kill us before they would die.
You did not say half you said "some".
Originally by: NightmareX So yeah, still a victory for me. Because i didn't lose the Mega i had to the 12-14 man gang this time. And when all of them was gone from FFA 1 i was still alive.
You lost 3 BS they lost a few cruisers....you lost big time.
Originally by: NightmareX Ok, tell me how TQ PVP is then?. If you really are so smartypants are you think you are.
On TQ pvp most ppl would not be stupid enough to think they had won anything by losing 3 BS on the trot to a bunch of cruisers and frigs....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX Its not like i did know what i was going to meet in FFA 1 the first time i warped in.
Yet again a unrealistic attitude brought on by 100isk per module....no scout before warping into a situation gaurenteed to be hostile...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX And it's not like that it was a controlled envoronment when i was fighting 14 other players .
Thats why you lost...![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX So your point is?.
You made my point well enough and my point is that you are totally clueless.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.06 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: Liang Nuren [Megathron, Neutron RR Mega] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Coreli C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating Coreli C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
100MN MicroWarpdrive II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Warp Disruptor II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Large 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I
Bouncer II x5
/shrug /popcorn
-Liang
Mmmmmm. Yes that's correct Liang. You actually repaired one error for me.
Still getting shown how to fit your ships are you.....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX But wait a sec here, what does that actually means for me ?.
Yes it means the Megathrons is actually a better choice than the Abaddon any days now when i see that i can use a Heavy Cap Booster on a Mega instead of a Medium one.
At least, thanks for proving my point that the Mega is actually a very good ship in RR gangs now.
It means the mega still sucks cos that fit has 103,319EHP and because it uses blasters it has to burn a lot of cap if it uses faction AM unlike the abaddon that has the range not to need to.
Not only that but it is using NULL. to try and mitigte some range issue.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Could you be more clueless?.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.06 10:02:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 06/04/2009 10:04:11
Originally by: NightmareX
1. No it's you who are dumb for not understanding the whole point with that. Try better next time.
I did you are now adding to it cos you realise how stupid you are.
Originally by: NightmareX 2. Yeah, half of them are still some .
Yea right you mean you killed one or two (if any at all as you are proly lying about everything AGAIN) but when that was pointed out to be pathetic you now say half, you are a liar.
Originally by: NightmareX 3 & 4. Ehm , yes, when you manage to kill one t3 cruiser on the last try, then i can for sure say it would be worth the 3x BS losses if this had been on TQ . Dangit, you pwned your self there.
And yet you did not bother to mention that in the first post???...more lies and back sliding to stop yourself from looking like the tard you are...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX 5. It's not about what the modules cost dumbass, it's about what your going to fight. The whole idea is that this could have been on TQ and it would still be the same, i would probably lose 3 BS'es if this had been on TQ to if i had been alone.
Its exactly about how much the modules and ships cost as ppl fly differantly when price is taken out of the equasion.
You would know that if you flew on TQ.
Originally by: NightmareX But the whole point is that i found out a tactic to use to make that gang lose half of the ships and to bugger off with 4 frig losses 1x cruiser and 1x t3 cruiser loss. If that's not good for 3 BS losses, then i don't know what you take for a victory .
You found nothing cos you are a liar.
Originally by: NightmareX 6. And you point is?.
You are a liar and a idiot.
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Posted - 2009.04.06 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
1. Oh noes, Liang did the work for me to prove that the Mega is much better than the Abaddon .
Its not better its still a lot worse than the abaddon.
Originally by: NightmareX 2. Yes it have lower EHP, but it's for sure more cap stable than the Abaddon. The Abaddon will run out of cap long before the Mega runs out.
Now that you are using NULL and do not need to mwd as much you use up all your cap boosters before you cap out, but then so does the abaddon but it can carry a few less charges in its hold.
HOWEVER THE MEGA:![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Now does 745 gun dps out to 11km and has 103,319ehp still with a explosive hole.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
My abaddon fit has MUCH MUCH higher resists and no explosive hole with 153,822EHP does 802 gun DPS out to 15km then has scorch if it needs it.
The mega still sucks compared to the abaddon.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.06 10:36:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
3. It's not about what the modules cost on either sisi or TQ
Yes it is as ppl fly differantly when its only 100isk per ship and module....i do not know anybody who would lose 3 BS on the trot warping into a 14 man gang on TQ...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX Now rather than doing this epic emo posting, then just try and find a better setup on the Abaddon with 3x HS II's that makes it better than the Navy Mega that doesn't cost more than the Navy Mega setup cost.
Why?, nobody uses the navy mega in RR gangs on TQ....yet more unrealistic ships and fittings.....![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Lets recap on your attempts so far to make the blaster RR ship look good...
1. First you tried pimping the standard mega (FAILED) the abaddon was still better.
2. Then you tried making me fit the abaddon badly (FAILED) the abaddon was still better..
3. Then you tried a T1 rig T2 only navy mega(FAILED) the abaddon was still better..
4. Then you tried your slightly pimped navy mega fit(FAILED) although it was very close the cost and med injector + range issues from blasters made it suck.
5. Then (after you were shown how![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ) you fitted a normal mega with a heavy injector (FAILED) the abaddon was still better.
NOW:
6. You want to compare a pimped NAVY MEGA to a abaddon?...
What do you think you are going to prove other than you are a self absorbed fool who is unable to deal with the fact that he is wrong about standard blaster megas (you may have forgotted in your ranting but that is what this thread is about) normally used on TQ...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.06 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
1. The mega is better than the Abaddon in cap stability by miles .
2. No, i'm using faction Antitmatter.
If you are using faction antimatter then then the mega is not more cap stable in gang combat on TQ
Originally by: NightmareX 3. Why do you use the gun dps and not the whole DPS with drones?.
To show how much null reduces DPS, but with drones and null the mega does 1045dps out to 11km, with the abaddon fit does 982 out to 15km, thats 63 raw dps differance with 4km less optimal much weaker resists and 50,563 lessEHP.
Originally by: NightmareX 4. The Megathron is both way more cap stable than the Abaddon, and the Megathron is doing way more DPS (24%) than the Abaddon does at 4.5 km. So for me it doesn't do so much that the EHP is lower.
At 4.5km you are using antimatter so you will need to MWD so you are not more cap stable, it is not even close to 24% after resists and higher resists on the abaddon + 50,563 more EHP is very significant.
Originally by: NightmareX 5. Like i have said earlier, the explosive resist hole is the last thing i'm worried about. Simply because it's not often you come over ships that does explosive damage anyways.
All missile ships withh be doing it as well as mini ships and the RR phoon is also better than the RR mega....![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.06 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
2. I know alot of players that use a Navy Mega in RR gangs, simply because it pwns. It's the best DPS, EHP and RR ship you can use atm.
Link to KB of players that use BLASTER RR NAVY MEGA GANGS on TQ or stfu.
Originally by: NightmareX 3. And you still don't get it that the mega need the faction EANM to be able to fit the setup. How many times have we told you this now?.
Iknew it before you did fool as i was the one loling at you first attempts at fitting the mega.
Fitting issues is one of the reasons the mega needs a buff, thanks for pointing it out yet again and making my point.
Originally by: NightmareX Now i didn't try to fit the Abaddon badly. I was in fact fitting it with the 3x damage mofs setup you used. Oh at least you did say your own setup sucks, HAHAHAH, thanks for that.
My setup was fine it was you who tried using the wrong mods and claiming it needed implants ect...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX Yes the Abaddon was better EHP wise yeah. But the Mega is doing way more DPS than the Abaddon and the Mega is way more cap stable than the Abaddon is.
It has a little more dps after resists if you are using faction antimatter but then it is not as cap stable as the abaddon, if it uses null it is more cap stable but does less dmg after resists.
Originally by: NightmareX And if you haven't seen it, but my last setup on the Navy Mega have a heavy Capacitor Booster II. And it have 3x ANP's that is costing the whole 54 mill isk. Yikes, that's a lot. yes that's really a pimped setup dude .
The fact its a navy mega means its already a pimed, adding other faction mods just makes it more pimped.
Originally by: NightmareX And then the last thing, yes EHP wise the Abaddon is better, but not DPS and cap stability wise . Still, EHP isn't all in PVP dude.
The abaddon has better EHP and damage if you use NULL.
Or it has better EHP and cap if you use faction AM with only slightly less dmg at 5km after resists.
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Posted - 2009.04.06 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
Yes it is. EFT says so, and EFT doesn't lie when it's about how much cap you use with faction Antitmatter L.
With faction Anitmatter L, the t2 Neutrons are using 13.65 cap every 4.3 secs, that is 95.5 cap every 4.3 secs with 7 t2 Neutrons, while the Abaddon use 30 cap per 4.3 secs that is 240 cap every 4.3 secs if the Abaddon have 8 gunsfitted.
After 43 secs, the Abaddon have used 2400 cap only by using the guns, while the Mega have only used 955.5 cap only with the guns there.
So in other words, within those 43 secs, the Megathron can do 2x MWD cycles and do 2x RR cycles and still shoot all the time within the 43 sec and still have lesser cap usage than the Abaddon with 8 guns and faction Multis as crystal have been using within those 43 secs.
Isn't that funny?.
So wanna prove EFT wrong to ?.
Who care about that when for the first 43 seconds of the fight both ships have enough cap to fire RR and in the megas case MWD as well?.
The first 43 seconds in a RR gang vs gang fight is nothing, its the start of the fight. You see how much cap those megas use up burning after each target for the rest of the fight and then start talking about cap stability.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX The only thing you can TRY to prove, is to prove that you can find a better setup to the Abaddon that makes it better in stats than the Navy Mega is with only using the same amount of isk as the Navy Mega setup does cost.
How much does the navy mega + its fittings actually cost then?.
Lets see if its worth it...![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.06 12:16:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
1. No i'm not gonna do the work FOR YOU, not with the epic emo posting here from you.
So you were lying about corps of BLASTER RR navy mega gangs on TQ....like nobody already knew that...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Proof or stfu.
Originally by: NightmareX 2. Yeah i'm all in for that. BUFF THE MEGA'S CPU BY 15-20 CPU AND WE HAVE A BETTER MEGA .
Its a start anyway although the ammount of cpu buff should be fully tested.
Originally by: NightmareX 4. It doesn't have more DPS after the resists on the Navy Mega .
5. LOL, i don¿'t care if you call the Navy Mega for pimped or what, the Navy Mega is dirt cheap anyways. And i can fit it with 3 Coreli ANP's and the rest with t2 stuffs and make the Navy Mega waaaaaaaaaaay way better than the Abaddon.
Your new navy mega fit gets 156,176 EHP with 78.2em, 71.7th, 71.7ki, 60.8ex resists.
My abaddon fit has 153,822 EHP with 82.7em, 77.5th, 74ki, 72.3ex resists.
So 2354 more EHP using the NAVY MEGA for starters....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
The NAVY MEGA hits the abaddon after resists for 296.7dps out to 4.5km with faction AM and gaurde T2.
And with NULL and gaurde T2 the NAVY MEGA hits the abaddon after resists for 250.2dps out to 11km.
The abaddon with faction MF and gaurde T2 hits the NAVY MEGA after resists for 247.66dps out to 15km.
So with faction AM at 4.5km the NAVY MEGA gets 2354 more ehp and 49.04 more DPS.
And at 11km with NULL the NAVY MEGA also gets 2354 more EHP but only 2.54 more DPS.
Does that fit on the NAVY MEGA have a little more EHP than the abaddon?.
YES, but not enough to be significantly important.
Does that fit on the NAVY MEGA have a very tiny but more dmg at 11km than the abaddon?.
YES, but not enough to be significantly important (2.54 lol), although the ability to work at that range makes the NAVY MEGA more cap stable.
Does that fit on the NAVY MEGA have quite a bit more DPS at 4.5km?.
YES, but needing to work at 4.5km for that extra DPS makes the NAVY MEGA very unstable as far as cap is concerned along with the fact that also in gang combat the NAVY MEGA losses tonnes of DPS when its outside 4.5km.
Is it worth buying a NAVY MEGA and fitting it like you have for RR gang combat on TQ?.
Never in a million years.
It will be a gaurenteed primary target for every oposing RR gang and with only 2354 more EHP and lower resists than the abaddon it will die a lot.
Its a waste of ISK.
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Posted - 2009.04.06 12:31:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 06/04/2009 12:32:24
Originally by: Childstar
The differance is not worth it.
Your new navy mega fit gets 156,176 EHP with 78.2em, 71.7th, 71.7ki, 60.8ex resists.
My abaddon fit has 153,822 EHP with 82.7em, 77.5th, 74ki, 72.3ex resists.
So 2354 more EHP using the NAVY MEGA for starters....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
The NAVY MEGA hits the abaddon after resists for 296.7dps out to 4.5km with faction AM and gaurde T2.
And with NULL and gaurde T2 the NAVY MEGA hits the abaddon after resists for 250.2dps out to 11km.
The abaddon with faction MF and gaurde T2 hits the NAVY MEGA after resists for 247.66dps out to 15km.
So with faction AM at 4.5km the NAVY MEGA gets 2354 more ehp and 49.04 more DPS.
And at 11km with NULL the NAVY MEGA also gets 2354 more EHP but only 2.54 more DPS.
Does that fit on the NAVY MEGA have a little more EHP than the abaddon?.
YES, but not enough to be significantly important.
Does that fit on the NAVY MEGA have a very tiny but more dmg at 11km than the abaddon?.
YES, but not enough to be significantly important (2.54 lol), although the ability to work at that range makes the NAVY MEGA more cap stable.
Does that fit on the NAVY MEGA have quite a bit more DPS at 4.5km?.
YES, but needing to work at 4.5km for that extra DPS makes the NAVY MEGA very unstable as far as cap is concerned along with the fact that also in gang combat the NAVY MEGA losses tonnes of DPS when its outside 4.5km.
Is it worth buying a NAVY MEGA and fitting it like you have for RR gang combat on TQ?.
Never in a million years.
It will be a gaurenteed primary target for every oposing RR gang and with only 2354 more EHP and lower resists than the abaddon it will die a lot.
Its a waste of ISK.
Originally by: NightmareX For you it is, but not for me that only cares about having the best ship when it's about DPS, EHP and RR combined.
Thats because you never have flown it and never will and nor does anybody else on TQ.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Its a EFT paper fantasy that is NEVER used on TQ.
Originally by: NightmareX But we are not talking about the setup i have on TQ right now on my Navy Mega. We are talking about the setup i posted earlier that have 3x Coreli ANP's and 3x damage mods.
I know im using the 3x Coreli ANP's and 3x damage mods stats....do pay attention..![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX When i want the best of that, then i gladly pay for a Navy Mega.
Easy claim to make considering you never use them or even normal blaster megas on TQ ever...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.06 12:55:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 06/04/2009 13:06:16
Originally by: Seishomaru Quick question.. how much a navy mega pays out in insurance? (i never lost a navy BS to know). ISit same as standard mega?
Yes.
NAVY MEGA FIT COST.
NAVY MEGA = 470mil unfitted btw.
Correli c-type adaptive nano plating = 20MIL each and his fit uses 3 so 60 mil.
The webs and points are roughly the same price as the abaddons and Mega pulse T2 are about half a mil more that T2 nuetrons but MEH tbh.
The abaddon costs 142mil and change but is insurable and the amarr navy eanm's i fitted it with cost 30 mil each and i used 2.
So 530 mil + other fitting costs for 3000 ish more EHP and also gaurenteed to be primary in any gang fighting, and only standard mega insurance return.
VS
200 mil + other fitting costs for 3000ish less EHP but full insurance payout.
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Posted - 2009.04.06 15:00:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 06/04/2009 15:00:28
Originally by: NightmareX
1. If your starting the fight with your RR Blaster Mega / RR Domi gang, you start by warping in right on top of their asses, your not starting the fight at 30 km dude, you warp right in on their asses. And then you do the epic LOLLING after that when there are explosions everywhere because they pop like cruisers .
Wrong, the standard mega fit has low EHP poor resists with a large explosive hole and does less dmg vs the abaddon than the abaddon does against it.
So the explosions you will see are the megas going pop and the loling will be done by the abaddons.
Originally by: NightmareX But then, it's not like that your going to be able to keep us scrambled or webbed if you warp in at 30 km if both of the gangs are only in BS'es. Oh crap, you didn't think about that heh.
If both gangs are only BS's then both gangs are idiots, but then why warp in at 30km why not 20 or 15, i mean the baddons can own the megas at the megas 4.5km optimal so coming in at a bit longer range like 15-20 just reduces the losses for the baddons even further.
Look who is not thinking...![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX If the cap is such a problem for you in your Gallente BS'es and cannot MWD for 20 km to get them into web range. Then do the easy thing by warping out and warp in on them again if you can.
So you think warping out and then warping back would not drain your cap?...![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Plus at 20km you will be pointed and in 0.0 you can bet you will be bubbled.
Originally by: NightmareX 2. Like there is so many that do explosive damage nowdays .
All missile users all mini.....so 2 races out of 4...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX 3. Do you know why?, because someone have to use a fail fit because they don't have the isk to buy 1 or 2 faction modules to make the mega very good.
The standard mega even with the faction modules on it is still not as good as the abaddon.
Originally by: NightmareX 4. Navy Mega outperform the Abaddon in mostly everything. The Navy Mega with a t2 setup and 3x Coreli ANP's is way better than the Abaddon in most ways.
Its not way better, it has a little more EHP (less than 3000 lol) and does insignificantly more dmg at 11km (less than 3dps) and 40 or so more dmg at 4.5km.
And it costs around 550-600 million to buy and fit and only gets standard mega insurance.
Oh and most importantly if you do fly it in a RR gang vs RR gang fight you can bet you are going to be primary so LOL at the extra 3k EHP...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.06 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Yewandeh
Feeding the trolls but, isn't the reason of a rr gang to outlast normal gang?
No its to out tank them while killing them.
Originally by: Yewandeh So what's the deal with this neutron heavy dps fitting which leaves your cap empty very soon? And why am i talking about rr gang in a blaster thread?
Cos noobmareX thinks that neutron RR megas are the best RR ships in the game and tried to use that to prove blasters are ok.![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
He has now been educated although he did try pitching a neutron NAVY MEGA RR gang ship and even made claims that their are corps in eve that use gangs of them and roam around with them all the time ect....poor troll imho.
Originally by: Yewandeh Also, why compare a blaster ship to a laser ship in a blaster thread?
Fixing/balancing a system involves comparing it to other systems in its class.
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Posted - 2009.04.06 21:33:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 06/04/2009 21:34:40
Originally by: NightmareX
Childstar, if you think the Abaddon is better than the Navy Mega, then where is your setup that proves it?. I'm still waiting for it.
Show me where i say my abaddon fit is better (STAT WISE) than your navy mega fit?.
If you actually bother to check i clearly go into great detail to show the exact dmg and EHP of both fits...
Originally by: NightmareX So before you post a setup to the Abaddon that beats the Navy Mega, then we all can say the Navy Mega is a better RR, DPS and EHP ship than the Abaddon is stats wise.
Its a waste of isk and a gaurenteed primary target and dead duck in a RR gang v gang fight.
So as i clearly said above your NAVY MEGA is MARGINALLY better stat wise but its also not worth flying due to the cost and the fact it will ALWAYS be primaried and melted.
Originally by: NightmareX And yes, the Navy Mega now cost 470 mill isk. But when i bought it i payed 315 mill isk for it with 3x t1 Trimarks on it.
You are probably lying yet again but even if you are not it does not matter cos they NOW cost 470+ 60 for the faction mods and whatever else for the rest of the fit.
So what is that?, 580-600mil depending on the area for the full rigged fit...and all for less than 3000 more EHP than the abaddon....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX But like i have said, i will pay for the Navy Mega any days over the Abaddon to get the most out of the DPS, EHP and the RR.
You may now have good EHP and adequate resists by using a NAVY MEGA but that is what the standard RR mega with a T2 fit should have already considering the range it is forced to work at in combat.
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Posted - 2009.04.06 22:24:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 06/04/2009 22:31:35
Originally by: NightmareX
1. Why are you arguing with me that the Abaddon does have better stats than the Navy Mega then?.
Il say again show me where i say this.
Originally by: NightmareX It's not a waste of isk FOR ME. And you know, when i'm out to PVP, i like to get shoot to get more action .
Yea you love the action....you must watch it on fraps though cos you have never flown the ship on TQ you liar, in fact you only learned how to fit it less than 24 hours ago..![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX 4. 24% better DPS before the resists, some few more % EHP on the Navy Mega than the Abaddon is just way more than marginally better dude.
Ok muppet heres the thing![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
THE STANDARD 3 MAG STAB MEGA GETS THE SAME DPS AS THE 3 MAG STAB NAVY MEGA...
YOU ARE PAYING NEARLY 600 MIL ISK FOR JUST 2354 MORE EHP THAN THE ABADDON...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX And because the Navy Mega already have higher resists than your Abaddon except for the explosive resists, then the DPS actually will be a little more than just 24% more than the Abaddon.
Its 21% more DPS at 4.5km not 24% (1235 vs 982 = 21%).
My abaddon fit has 153,822 EHP with 82.7em, 77.5th, 74ki, 72.3ex resists. Your navy mega has 156,176 EHP with 78.2em, 71.7th, 71.7ki, 60.8ex resists.
YOUR NAVY MEGA HAS LESS RESISTS THAN MY ABADDON FIT SO IT DOES LESS THAN 21% more DPS AT 4.5km in fact its only 10-15% or so more.
Originally by: NightmareX 5. Yeah and?, if i want the best DPS, EHP and RR combined, then i'm paying for the best. To get the best, you have to spend some isk on it.
600ish mil just to get the same raw DPS as the standard mega, 2354 more EHP than the abaddon and still have LOWER resists than the abaddon...Oh and to be gaurenteed primary...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
NOT WORTH IT...and only somebody with no intention of flying it on TQ would say otherwise![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.06 22:36:00 -
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Read this carefully:
THE STANDARD 3 MAG STAB MEGA GETS THE SAME DPS AS THE 3 MAG STAB NAVY MEGA...
YOU ARE PAYING NEARLY 600 MIL ISK FOR JUST 2354 MORE EHP THAN THE ABADDON...
And your NAVY MEGA FIT also has lower resists than my abaddon fit...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Its not worth it.
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Posted - 2009.04.06 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: Traderboz Navy Mega is definitely better than the Mega, but that's obvious. If you can only fly Gallente BS, I'd probably go with Mega for RR (although Domi is sort of tempting to me). I doubt I'd drop the extra ISK's for a Navy Mega though, just because you're guaranteed to be called primary if you engage any opponent capable of fighting back.
Catch 22, if you use a navy mega and only engage easily beatable gangs then you may as well use a standard mega, but if you engage equally sized gangs you will be primaried instantly...![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Originally by: Traderboz If you have max skills for both Gallente and Amarr ships, it's a tougher call imo. All these comparisons have done nothing other than show the damage/EHP are pretty close between mega/abaddon, but most of those comparisons are using the Mega's DPS at 5km or thereabouts.
NMX goes total EMO if you even mention a range past the perfect blaster optimal even though most fights do not happen at 4.5km. But even with the figures at 4.5km the abaddon easily out clases the mega anyway.
Not only that but a mega is always gonna be within the range of ALL the hostile ships but it also has one of the weakest tanks out of all the RR ships if it fits to do good dmg.
Originally by: Traderboz IMHO, the Mega isn't completely outclassed, but a lot of things have to go its way for it to perform better than the Abaddon. The Abaddon wins out overall with higher EHP and comparable damage at close ranges, while still retaining the ability to reach out to enemies at longer ranges.
Thats why NMX needed to whip out the navy mega fit, he tried faction fitting the std mega but the abaddon still owned it even at blaster optimal so he switched his spin to a faction fitted navy mega instead.![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Toyally ignoring the fact he not only lost every argument up to that point in a desperate attempt to try and get some sort of victory...also forgetting in his desperation to do so that the topic is about standard blaster ships...![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.06 23:41:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
A real RR mega is gonna be running rails, MWD/Hvy Cap Booster/ECCM/SeBo, and tank (resists/HP). It might have one damage mod. Obviously, the light of reality makes pretty much all the fits posted (including the one I fit with Neutrons+MWD+Hvy Booster) all fail fits. And if you run the numbers, I think you'll see that the Abaddon can put together a superior tank with superior damage and superior range - even if it has to sacrifice a high to the RR.
I know that, you know that certain other individuals who have only just learned how to fit a mega let alone fly one on TQ seem to want to continuosly troll the thread with unsubstantiated claims about RR blaster BS..![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Originally by: Liang Nuren In the end, the Domi is the Gallente RR BS, just like the Abaddon is the Amarr RR BS and the Raven is the Caldari RR BS and the Phoon is the Minmatar RR BS. (Yes, I realize that there are arguments for using the Geddon, but please tell me where you plan to fit the MWD+Hvy Booster+ECCM+SeBo...)
The domi is a good RR ship in its own way, it can fit a great tank and multiple RR, its dmg is lacking compared to the baddon but it can also easily fitted with heavy nuets making it a utility RR BS more than a damage dealer imho.
Unfortunatly this thread is about the viability and usefulness of blaster BS on TQ and it clearly shows that they are not...![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.06 23:54:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX Rant with some math that has already been done.
Read post 1530 or 1535 you clown i did the math and the comparative dmg ammounts for these fits hours ago...![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
I used gaurde T2 on both fits.
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Posted - 2009.04.07 00:12:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 07/04/2009 00:14:48
Originally by: NightmareX
Yeah, using long range targeting drones when i'm fighting in close range is REALLY smart.
Nice way to lose the DPS on the Navy Mega here dude .
I keep forgetting that all the fights you have ever had in a mega on TQ are actually only in your head.
So you always put yourself at perfect optimal from every ship and those ships are all right next to each other so drones have 0 travel time ect EVER....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Even at 4.5km it takes ogre T2's over 5 secs to reach the first ship and thats over 2 volleys from the gaurdes then factor in travel time every time you switch targets......
Originally by: NightmareX
And not only that, but as you say all the time, the Mega's have to MWD a bit to. .
1050ms for the drones to get into range 800ish ms for the mega to get into optimal if it needs to (and it will need to a lot). So 1km per second for the drones and less for the mega..... now do you wanna talk about lost DPS????...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.07 00:23:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: NightmareX Oh god, this is sooooooo funny right now.
Oh, you have no idea.
![Shocked](/images/icon_eek.gif)
-Liang
Do you think he knows the differance in dmg ogre T2's get compared to gaurde T2's with max skills?...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.07 00:30:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
1. Still when i don't do PVP on TQ as you say i do , then i still pwned your ass in here because you was wrong and i proved you to be totally wrong About the Abaddon and the Navy Mega.
You proved nothing as i made no wrong statments, you just said i did because you are a sad little boy who cannot deal with failing.
Originally by: NightmareX 2. When i warp right into you. Then i don't think my normal t2 drones need to use time to move around to get to the primary, secondary and the next ones.
Switching targets ect causes travel time muppet.
Originally by: NightmareX 3. Yeah it only help you with a kick start on the damage from the sentry drones UNTIL you start to move to the next target that might be moving and then the sentry drones can't hit them for sh*t.
A plated webbed to hell and back BS?...they aint gonna miss.
Originally by: NightmareX No, i use Ogre II anydays over Gardes on my Navy Mega.
Thats because in reality you do not use either..![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX I really like to see if your sentry drones can hit anything that are moving faster than 100 m/s .
Even a mega at non webbed max speed transversal gets hit easily by gaurdes.
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Posted - 2009.04.07 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
T2 Garde does 50 thermal damage while the T2 Ogre does 48 thermal damage.
And also, with 5x Ogre II i'll do 1226 DPS in the Navy Mega with 3x damage mods, but with 5x Garde II i'll do 1209 DPS. So no, i'm not lowering my DPS by doing that.
Are you brain dead?, if by your (WRONG) figures ogres do 2 less dps per drone and use 5 how the hell do you get a reduction of 1226 to 1209???...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
5 drones doing 2 less dmg each = 10 you clown..![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
ANYWAY YOU GOT THE BASE NUMBERS WRONG IN THE FIRST PLACE.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
The correct figures after skills is:
LOL after skills OGRE T2 do 63dps each and GAURDE T2 do 60 dps each.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
So you lose 15 dps as 3 dps x 5 drones = 15.
Now consider that gaurdes can hit instantly and on your mega do 300 dps vs 315 from ogres T2's but the gaurdes get at least 1 volley in before the ogres reach the first target and every time you switch the gaurdes get another volley or so.
Ogres travel at 1km per second so that 0 dmg for every km they need to travel vs 300 dmg from the gaurdes...you will never make back that 15dps using ogres..![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.07 00:54:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
1. I proved that my Navy Mega setup does 24% more DPS than your Abaddon at 4.5 km. Go back and read the calculation i did.
The 3 mag stab navy mega with gaurdes does 1235 dps the 3 x HS abaddon with gaurdes does 982 dps.
That is 20.5 more not 24% for a start.
Although the Abaddon has better resists so the figure is actually lower if they are shooting at each other its only around 16% more.
Originally by: NightmareX The Navy Mega does more DPS than the Abaddon out to 11-12 km. And from there, the Abaddon starts to do more DPs than the Navy Mega.
Thats a little misleading as it only does that if its fitted with NULL so the reload from AM would gimp any figures.
But if you just had null fitted and did not need to reload the navy mega does 2.6 dps more than the abaddon with null from 0-11km.
Originally by: NightmareX 2. Not if most of the targets are close to us and webbed and scrambled . Have you ever heard about spreading points and web?.
So what?, every second your drones (-300 dps for every second/km ogres need to travel is a LOT) or ship needs to move its dps is gimped to hell using blasters and ogres...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX 3. So?, i'm still lowering my DPS by using Sentry drones.
You do not lower your dps using gaurdes you make it much much higher in gang combat.
You are so clueless...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.07 01:06:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 07/04/2009 01:10:09
Originally by: NightmareX
Oh noes, i lose 15 DPS on my Navy Mega by not using Sentry drones over Ogre II's. It's really the end of the world.
You do not lose dps you gain a LOT trust me your mega is much more dangerous using gaurdes A LOT MORE dangerous.
Originally by: NightmareX Fine, then we can say my Navy Mega is doing 23% more DPS than your Abaddon with Gardes then just to round the number down to one whole number.
Its still 21% and less (16%ish) after resists.
Originally by: NightmareX Anyways, i'm still using Ogre II's over Garde II's on my close range Navy Mega. Because i like to have as highest possible DPS as i can get.
Then use gaurdes the ON PAPER dps of ogres is useless and misleading.
Originally by: NightmareX And what if you have to go after a Hurricane that use his MWD a bit for example, your sentry drones can't hit that Hurricane at all then if it's moving at max speed with the MWD active. LOTS of wasted DPS then.
Also, you have to go after the Hurricane and manage to web him before you can hit him with your sentry drones. But with Ogre II's, you can hit that Hurricane long before that.
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A UNWEBBED hurricane at a MAX SPEED of 1311MS with MAX transversal can easily be hit by gaurdes.
Your ogres T2's do a max speed of 1050ms btw so they can NEVER catch it if its not webbed.......![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Think, check, recheck, then post...omg how many times do you need to be told you clown..![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.07 01:19:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
The Abaddon ONLY have better resist to explosive over the Navy Mega.
WRONG I SUGGEST YOU RECALCULATE
You navy mega fit 156,176 EHP with 78.2em, 71.7th, 71.7ki, 60.8ex resists.
My abaddon fit has 153,822 EHP with 82.7em, 77.5th, 74ki, 72.3ex resists.
The abaddon has 4.5% more EM, 5.8% more thermal, 2.3% more kinetic, 11.5% more explosive.
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Posted - 2009.04.07 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
1. No it's more dangerous for me to use sentry drones when a BS can insta pop them in one volley because they don't move.
So you think in a RR BS GANG VS GANG FIGHT ppl will be targeting your drones?...wtf are you on?.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX How do you get those numbers?. If you use the setups as i used, and then look at my math earlier, then it's 24% better DPS with Ogre II. And this topic was not about sentry drones either. We have ALWAYS talked about Ogre II drones in this topic until you saw that you was beaten, and then switched over to another types of drones just to have another poor excuse.
More lies...,i have always used sentry drones in my calculations as they are better.
Originally by: NightmareX 4. Did i say he was MWDing all the time?, no i wasn't. He's going to slow down at some points anyways.
The gaurdes can hit him while he is mwding, your ogres cannot even catch him.......and you said it was the total oposite and the gaurdes would miss and the ogres hit you total clown...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX And i still use my Ogre II's over the gardes, because the Gardes is just a big instapop target to Battlecruisers and Battleships.
Nobody shoots drones in a gang fight and also gaurdes are less likely to be hit by a smart bomber if there ever is one as they do not apporach........![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.07 01:34:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 07/04/2009 01:36:16
Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 07/04/2009 01:24:16
Originally by: Childstar
Originally by: NightmareX
The Abaddon ONLY have better resist to explosive over the Navy Mega.
WRONG I SUGGEST YOU RECALCULATE
You navy mega fit 156,176 EHP with 78.2em, 71.7th, 71.7ki, 60.8ex resists.
My abaddon fit has 153,822 EHP with 82.7em, 77.5th, 74ki, 72.3ex resists.
The abaddon has 4.5% more EM, 5.8% more thermal, 2.3% more kinetic, 11.5% more explosive.
Ok yeah, your right, but i still do more DPS on you in my Navy Mega no matter what (just look at my math earlier on why i'm doing more DPS), and i still have more EHP than you.
I already did the calculations about how much dmg the mega does hours and hours ago and i have told you and given you the numbers of the posts with them in once already (post 1555)....,are you mental or summat?..![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
The 3 mag stab navy mega does the same raw DPS as the 3 mag stab standard mega.
But the navy mega has 2354 more EHP than the abaddon but lower resists...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
It also would suck massivly in gang combat cos it would always be primaried being a faction BS....![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.07 01:41:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
1. Yes they can, just to nerf you DPS overall in the fight . Lost sentry drones is lost DPS for the rest of the fight.
Great, so while your gang is losing ships (meaning the gun and drone dps per ship lost is gone) you will be killing drones only?...![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX 2. It's only in the last few pages you have started to use sentry drones. Why didn't you use them from the start of this topic when you did know they was better?.
I have always used them in my DPS calculations, check back if you do not believe me.
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Posted - 2009.04.07 01:49:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 07/04/2009 01:48:46
Originally by: NightmareX
3. Yeah my Navy Mega have lower resists, but still do more DPS on your Abaddon after the resists to, and still have 2354 more EHP than you.
580-600 mil for a ship that does the same raw dps as the standard mega and has only 2354 more EHP than the baddon along with a bulls eye painted on it is a joke.
Originally by: NightmareX 4. Like i have said, it can be used as a bait ship so the rest of the gang know who to RR right away. And it's a very nice ship to use if you like to get shoot alot and to have most action as possible. How many times have i actually told you this now lol?.
Its a crappy bait ship the way you have it fitted, 154k ehp on a bait navy mega is bloody awful, its nothing but a lossmail waiting to happen and the only use for it is for a fool like you in this thread to use as a paper tiger stat ship.
But in practical terms its a waste of isk.
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Posted - 2009.04.07 01:53:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 07/04/2009 01:55:10
Originally by: NightmareX
1. I think this is better to do. To kill most of your sentry drones right away to just lower your DPS drasticly in the beginning of the fight.
Really so in a RR BS gang v gang combat you will be locking drones (loooooooooong lock time) and popping them while i pop your ships (losing you drone AND gun dps as well as a RR for every loss?....)?.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
I suggest you log in to TQ right now and tell your alliance buddies your idea......i hope it gives them as much lulz as it did me...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.07 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
Meh, i'll gladly pays 300 mill alone just for the looks of the Navy Mega.
2. LOL, my Navy Mega on TQ have waaaaay more than 154k EHP on TQ in a gang with armor bonuses. This is ofc when i have the LG Slave set fitted.
My Navy Mega setup on TQ have 295k EHP with a LG Slave set and with armor hp gang bunuses. I will call it a great bait ship .
A proper bait navy mega should not fit dmg mods at all it should firstly fit for as much ehp and resists as it can pack into its lows, then a injector/mwd combo.
After that its what ever else you can get on it cos jumping into a camp and doing a mwd turn back to the gate ect and soaking up dmg to give aggro so your gang can jump in and kill then jumping out is one of its jobs.
In a RR gang the same applies only it soaks up and gets repped, but should always be looking for a way out in case its tank starts to break.
Originally by: NightmareX And also, the t2 fitted Navy Mega with 3x Coreli ANP's are not a bait ship, it's a pure DPS ship.
Its not a dps ship as it does the same dps as a standard mega, its a loss mail waiting to happen.
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Posted - 2009.04.07 02:11:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
yeah, i wont say more.
Best idea you have had since you joined this thread.
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Posted - 2009.04.07 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
1. A proper Navy Mega fit should not ONLY be bait fitted. It should have ALOT of EHP while it can do great DPS. Because after all, your gonna use your 7 guns to something to.
Its first and primary role is to soak up dmg, its dmg output is secondary.
Originally by: NightmareX 3. The normal Mega doesn't have EHP enough to be a bait ship with 3x MFS II's anyways, so it's better to be used as a DPS ship then.
The navy mega does not have enough EHP with 3 mag stabs to be a good bait ship either, unless you are baitiung VERY small gangs...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX
Did you had any better ideas to come with in this topic at all?. No wait, you haven't had a good idea at all in this topic so far. All have been very poor and crappy with some poor explanations in most of your replies.
You have done nothing in this thread but troll and look like a total and clueless idiot, you have lost argument after argument and changed your pitch from normal megas in gang combat, to RR gang combat and now you are trying to pich your crap with navy megas.
And every time all you manage to do is look even more stupid, clueless and trolly.
This thread is about BS blaster ships that are used on TQ, so mostly standard megas and hyperions and unless you have any worthwile comments about them stfu and go troll elsewhere..
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Posted - 2009.04.07 10:06:00 -
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Originally by: Mag's OMG Electric Universe NightmareX, just when I think you've posted the funniest thing ever, you come up with another gem. ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Never stop posting.
He does post some gems but THIS i think is the crown jewel.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX
No you don't have control of the fight in FFA 1 on sisi either . Like right now, the Abaddon i tried got massivly spanked by 10 frigs, 2x t3 cruisers and a Rook on sisi in FFA 1. And the next mega i warped in there, and the Mega after that to.
Guess what i did, yes i did bring in a new battleship with ECCM after some tries and then they couldn't jam me much and i managed to kill some of them and they started to lose there and the rest warped out. Victory for me there i'll guess .
How is that's not like it is on TQ, if not, then i don't know what you take as most realistic TQ fights.
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So cos of jumping into the middile of a 14 man gang and losing 3 BS on the trot is how "real" pvp is done on TQ?....by r****rds maybe...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Then making up a silly story about fitting ECCM and pwning to try and sooth a well spanked bottom is just sad TBH.......in the delusion were they mid slot eccm....did you drop your web, point, mwd, or injector?....
Why did the cruisers and frigs get within web range then sit still in that range long enough for a slow ass BS to kill them?.
Why are you such a sad and pathetic liar?...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.07 10:41:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 07/04/2009 10:46:24
Originally by: NightmareX
Awesome dude, maybe you should look some posts back where you already replied to what you replied to now?.
Aww, memory problems lol?.
I have no memory problems, you were a liar then you are a liar now its that simple.
Originally by: NightmareX Anyways. No matter what you say, my Navy Mega with 3x damage mods does 24% more DPS than your Mega with Ogre II's and still have more EHP, so i'll guess it's a more DPS and EHP ship than the Abaddon anyways .
For your 600 million.
1. The same DPS as the standard mega with 3 mag stabs.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
2. 2354 more EHP is just sad.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
3. ALL weaker resists than my abaddon fit.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
4. Insta primary and melt cos of being a faction ship.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Your navy mega fit sucks for TQ pvp, its a paper tiger fit for losers who never pvp in reality.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.07 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
Link to the proofs where i'm a liar?.
link to proof your not.
Originally by: NightmareX 1. Yeah, and if the DPS had been the same as a Nyx, then what?, it's still 1226 DPS no matter what ship you try to compare it to .
Yes exactly the same as the standard mega...and you 500 mil more...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX 2. 300 mill isk of those 600 mill isk is easily paid only for the looks of the Navy Mega. So do i care?.
LOL just LOL.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX 3. And your point is?. I still have more EHP than you so booohoo, cry some more.
2354 more EHP for 500 more million....= LOL.
Originally by: NightmareX 4. A Navy Mega will not be melted if it's properly fitted. And that is when the Navy Mega isn't fitted with the uber fail fit with 3x damage mods .
At least you admit your silly fit is FAIL...progress at last..![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX Any Battleship today that are an armor shipis is best to use 1 or 2 max damage mods anyways.
The abaddon can easily fit 3 dmg mods and operate well due to the fact it can work at longer range than all the other races BS as well as the fact its not a faction ship so will not be insta primaried.
Im not saying your navy mega has a bad tank on paper compared to standard BS cos its a good tank if it was on a normal BS, its just that cos its a faction BS it will get insta primaried as well as costing around 600mil.
If you could get the EHP stats on your blaster rr navy mega on a blaster rr standard mega or at least close to them without spending tonnes of isk (roughly the same cost as my abaddon fit) that would make the standards mega a more reasonable gang ship considering the range it needs to operate in.
Roughly the same EHP as the abaddon but much less range due to blasters would be at least a little more balanced for gang combat. And if ppl still chose to fit rails then the reduced DPS from them would also balance things.
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Posted - 2009.04.07 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX Because you was telling that your Abaddon did more DPS than my Navy Mega, and you was totally wrong like i always said.
I did not say that, i clearly posted the exact raw dps figures from each ship and how much they hit each other for after resists.
Originally by: NightmareX I did give you the proofs that the Navy Mega does more DPS than the Abaddon up to 12.5 km with Caldari Navy Antimatter L ammo.
You gave no proof, you just "claimed" it did with 0 proof or math to back it up.
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Posted - 2009.04.07 11:39:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 07/04/2009 11:41:10
At 12.5km the navy mega does 703 raw gun dps.
As you insist on using ogre T2's that travel at 1050ms max speed the 317 dps from them is delayed for at least 13 seconds as they accelerate and travel 12.5km so you lose (4121 raw dps for that travel time).......its gonna take you a while to make that up at 15dps (around 5 mins)...![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
At 12.5km the abaddon does 982 raw dps as i use gaurde T2 that give instant dmg.
The navy mega hits the abaddon at 12.5km for 172.43 gun dmg after resists.
The abaddon hits the navy mega at 12.5km for 247.66 dmg after resists.
Even when your drones eventually arrive the navy mega does less DPS at 12.5km than the abaddon after resists.
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Posted - 2009.04.07 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: Goumindong
No, it doesn't the Mega in question has 8k more armor, 40% more than the Abaddon in question.
You will need to be a bit more specific.
Originally by: Goumindong In addition to the rest of the hit point disparities that means that the Mega is more efficient in this situation.
I dunno what you mean by "the rest of the hit point disparities" when the abaddon has MORE hull HP than the mega (DCU give 60% res vs all dmg on both ships hull) and MORE shield HP, with the abad doing EM/TH dmg against shields.....
Still trying to use big words and vague comments to manipulate ppl gourmie?....you never learn.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.07 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
TBQFH, this entire discussion is useless because it doesn't address operational realities on TQ. You just don't fly triple MFS blaster megas (of any variety) in RR fleets. You're doomed to fail from the moment you fit the ship. Fit rails. Fit heavy boosters. Fit lots of resist/hp tank. Fit a large RR or two. Fit ECCM. Fit SeBo. Maybe, maybe fit a damage mod or two if you've got a metric crap-ton of HP.
-Liang
Well at least somebody actually knows how to fit a RR mega properly.....although its still not particularly good and also shows just how poor blaster BS are (for those who remember what the topic is actually about).![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.08 11:55:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 08/04/2009 12:03:48
Originally by: Goumindong No one was suggesting it. The guy was claiming that a 3 HS abaddon was better than the 2 MFS mega, i was explaining why its not true.
The discussion was about DPS and how claims of "30% MORE DMG FROM BLASTERS THAN LASERS" that liars like YOU preach about every time ppl try to fix blasters and especially BS blasters is totally wrong given available and contemporary fits.
Originally by: Goumindong As well, the lower number of armor hit points means the chances of volleying through armor are much higher on the Abaddon.
The abaddon can fit 2 x 1600 plates and a eanm for 138,344 EHP (32,128 armour 4k more than the mega) with HIGHER resists than the mega.
Or it can fit 2 x eanm with 1 plare for 134,371 EHP (24,144 armour, 4K less than the mega) but with MASSIVLY higher resists.
The abaddon can fit either way depending on the size of RR gang, in a smaller RR gang that will not be fighting massive blobs it can fit the higher resistance fit as it does not need to worry about monster alpha.
And in larger gangs it can fit the twin plated fit that still has higher resists than the mega but also more armour HP.
Originally by: Goumindong edit: don't know why you're discussing a navy mega, the normal mega is plenty fine for RR in this manner.
Cos NMX lost evey argument involving the standad mega and needed desperatly to win any sort of argument and so started telling us about these mythgical RR navy mega blaster gangs that roam around TQ and how uber they are...he is a even worse liar than you...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: Goumindong
No, the more reps the more guns the Abaddon loses in comparison to the Mega(which is relying more on drone DPS), the more guns the abaddon loses the more its DPS drops. The slight advantage in resistance is not offset by the drop in DPS.
With 7 guns each:
The mega does 1132 raw dps. The abad does 982. raw dps.
= -150 raw dps.
With 6 guns each:
The mega does 1013 raw dps. The abad does 867. raw dps.
= -146 raw dps.
So -4 raw dps...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Now shall we take into account that the laser ship is now doing less EM dmg relative to its over all raw DPS and that the mega is now doing LESS kinetic relative to its over all DPS????.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
The real time dmg done by reducing the number of guns is actually more favorable to the abaddon due to the dmg type done by each system and the resistances on the ships.
Wanna tell some more lies gourmie?.....you never learn.![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.08 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: Irida Mershkov Mother of god, NightmareX are you seriously trying to compare a Navy Megathron to an Abaddon? what the ****?
I just proved that Gallente had the best DPS, EHP and RR combined ship . Nothing more.
You proved that they have the WORST not the best.
Originally by: NightmareX Dominix is the best RR BS, but lack DPS and EHP.
Its the best gallente RR BS, but its not the best when compared to the other races available ships.
Originally by: NightmareX Or maybe we can say the Abaddon is owerpowered and need to be nerfed when we have to use a faction BS to compare with when we are comparing ship to an Abaddon and then the Abaddon pretty much have the same stats at the faction ships.
Its not the abaddon thats the problem its blasters and the PG/CPU of the mega and hyperion.
Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: Laur Khal i'm not sure there's a winner in this thread but the loser is definitely NightmareX.
Oh look, another alt is used to say that. Hahah, you clearly don't have the balls to post with your main. And that means you fail.
Or maybe this is one of your 86549673498573 alts Childstar / maralt?.
How much money does it cost to run enough accounts to have 86549673498573 alts????...you are such a tool...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Its not a alt of mine, and comments about having the balls for posting with mains would be better recieved from ppl who did not praise their own mains on alts like you did to yourself with electric.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
L.O.S.E.R.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.08 19:26:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 08/04/2009 19:32:53
Originally by: NightmareX
Yeah i had to show that the Mega is not good with your uber ****ty 3x Damage mods setup. Oh lol, a ****ty setup makes a ship to be crap.
Congrats for using the only setup that made the Megathron to be crap.
The 3 x dmg mod mega was your idea and fit you clown not mine.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
And you spent god knows how many pages trying (AND FAILING MISERABLY) to show how good it was.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX You was dumb enough to not see that the number was not that much. But still said it because you thought that it was the number i meant lol.
You really are a ranting and drooling idiot aint ya???...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Shocked](/images/icon_eek.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX Yes i can say it's one of you 8475874 alts when you can say that Electric is my alt. Deal?.
Erm no deal.
Electric IS your alt but i have no idea who this other fella is apart from the fact he is yet another person who sees what a total clown you are.
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Posted - 2009.04.08 19:51:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 08/04/2009 19:52:54
Originally by: NightmareX
1. Yeah i had an idea to fit 3x damage mods when you didn't want to use 2 damage mods like i used. Happy now?.
Well you are learning to actually tell the truth a little so its a improvment.
Although one of the points of the abaddon using 3 x dmg mods and still having a great tank was to show just how relativly weak the mega is compared to its rivals in RR combat. Especially when you conside the range the mega is forced to work in, its available tank even with 2 dmg mods and the constant cap it needs burn to get into those ranges in gang combat. And most especially the ACTUAL damage it does AFTER resists compared to lasers.
Originally by: NightmareX 2. Wanna try using 1 or 2 damage mods to see if you Abaddon is any better?. Or wait, your DPS on the Abaddon will be so crappy then that it will sucks horribly by only that .
It will just give the abaddon a even larger tank and still more or close to matching dmg after resists.
Originally by: NightmareX 3. I just made a point like you made a point there .
No i made a point, you made yet another stupid and INCORRECT statment.
Originally by: NightmareX 4. Ok fine, stop calling Electric for my alt when it's not my alt if you want me to stop calling all of the alts everywhere here for your alts. Deal?.
NO DEAL.
Electric is your alt, and i have no idea who the other fella is but if yopu wanna say every poster on this forum is my alt go ahead it only really shows what a total prat you are..![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.08 20:08:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 08/04/2009 20:12:26
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Now the question is what that problem is. Is it that blasters are overall not a worthwhile time investment right now, as most people assert?
Is it that the Megathron itself is kinda meh?
BOTH.
The mega is ok as a sniper with full sniper fit.
But as a blaster ship it lacks PG and CPU to be fitted well even passivly tanked, and this is a real issue for a BS that engages at 4.5km for its full damage, not at 15km or even out as far as 45 like pulse BS can.
Giving the mega and maybe the hyperion maybe a boost in PG and CPU so they can actually fit proper tanks for their so called "roles" would be a start to help the ships.
Maybe giving blasters a boost in dmg output in the 8-15km range without increasing their max range would make blaster a little better as a choice in gang combat.
Originally by: Liang Nuren Is it that the Abaddon and/or lasers are OP?
Difficult question tbh, I HATE NERFS as i think it a easy and short sighted way of doing things and lacks imagination.
Id much rather see the other systems and ships be adjusted to fix any imbalance.
Originally by: Liang Nuren Is it that you're using blasters at all in a RR discussion?
Actually if you read the history of the thread the fact is that RR is being used in a blaster discussion as NMX has spent a LOT of time trying to convince every body that BLASTER megas are the best RR BS in the entire game as a way of proving blasters were ok....
Or at least thats what he started to do but like most trolls winning ANY argument became more important that the original topic so he ended up using faction fits and ships ect ect....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.08 21:07:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 08/04/2009 21:15:27
Originally by: Goumindong Gourmies mega fit + Gourmies abaddon fit and a lot of other crap.
OK LETS BEGIN.
Acting like blaster BS do not need to mwd is just a joke and when you consider guns, 2 x RR and MWD cap usage the megas are dry in 1 min 2 secs and that is before the FIRST reload of the t2 heavy injector is even finished...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
So the megas are dry of cap in 62 secs and dead in the water.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Who do you think you are kidding?.![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
PS: I did you a favor and fitted the correct MWD for the job in my figures as well...
Not the T1 basic version you used in your non-mwd RR only joke of a scenario.....you know the named mwd that only kills 19% of a ships cap not 25% like the one you used does......![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
You are still a lying manipulative piece of crap....you never learn.![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.08 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
1 & 2. Ok, because there is mostly only 1 vs 1 comparsion between 2 ship here, then why is it that i in most cases wins over an Abaddon when i'm using a Blaster Megathron on sisi with 1 damage mod and when the Abaddon is using 2 damage mods?.
We are not comparing ship in 1 v 1 combat we are comparing the ships available fits and stats for varied gang combat on TQ.
Originally by: NightmareX rant about alts ect ect
Whatever muppet.
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Posted - 2009.04.08 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
1. If your comparing them in fits and stats in gang combat, then why are you comparing 2 ships in fits and stats that only have 40 % to do in the real combat to do?.
Because you can balance stats and ships, piloting and team work skills can be learned by anybody willing to learn them.
Originally by: NightmareX And omfg, is this really possible?. Just warped my Blaster Mega into FFA 1, got primaried by 4 BS'es, 2x Abaddons, one sniper Apoc and one Maelstrom.
Question, what do you think happened here Child?.
I think nothing at all happened at all, as you are a proven liar.
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Posted - 2009.04.08 21:49:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 08/04/2009 21:52:37
Originally by: NightmareX
Still, being smart is a very important of the PVP system. If your smart, you can do the most crazy things in PVP, but if you dumb, you can lose an Abaddon to an Ibis.
You can lose a mega to the same ibis, but the fact is that you cannot ignore problems with ships and systems just because a total tard can lose a good ship against a bad one.
You base things on personal skills being equal.
Originally by: NightmareX If you don't believe me, then fine, but don't think that your going to get anyone here to believe your crap here either.
Everybody believes me because my data and FACTS and stats are indisputable, i do not make up silly fights that prove nothing i give raw DATA.
You on the other hand make up bullsh*t after bullsh*t, and are now make claims of sissi ffa1 fights that never happened.
Originally by: NightmareX If you say that we are liars, then you are a liar your self.
Who is WE???? there is only YOU making these claims of non existant fights....are you mental or summat?.
A split personality and both of them total d*ckheads...unlucky![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.08 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron Ibis can't break passive shield recharge rate of Abaddon
Player skill level and experience are of course very important in pvp, however it doesn't enter the balance equations.
You can't say that "ship A is very powerful but only dumb people fly it, ship B is weak but very smart people fly it, this way both are equally powerful with their own advantages and disadvantages"
Exactly.
Originally by: Ephemeron For balancing purposes, designer should assume that all people playing are highly skilled and experienced.
Or total idiots....![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.08 22:05:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
1. Still, a Megathron is just as good as the Abaddon no matter what you say.
Rubbish, the abaddon is a much much better ship at gang pvp, the mega is a better sniper maybe but then amarr have another BS for sniping that is better than the mega so...
Originally by: NightmareX 2. Yeah you gave one fact that i proved you to be wrong in. Oh yeah, we are going to believe you when your lying about the thing i proved you to be wrong in.
Even if i had made a calculatory error it would have been a genuin mistake and i would have corrected it as soon as it was pointed out, it is you who covers mistakes or errors with lies on top of lies.
Im here for total accuracy it is you who tries to manipulate and decieve instead of being honest and open.
Originally by: NightmareX I have eyes and can read. Everytimes someone is saying things against you, you claim them to be liars and muppets.
Its now everytime its only when they lie, manipulate or decieve that i say that and i always point out what they have done how they did it and add corrections.
I think its disgusting that those who claim to be unbiased and about balancing and fixing things stoop to badly fitting ships just to manipulate stats in their favor.
Gourmindong is by far the worst for it, its makes me sick.
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Posted - 2009.04.08 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
1. Then why did i pwn one Abaddon on sisi earlier when i was shoot by the Abaddon i killed and another Abaddon + one Maelstrom and a sniper Apoc?.
Maybe my skills and experience with the Mega is good enough to be able to do that heh?.
And maybe you are totally full of crap and lying.
Originally by: NightmareX 2. Hahaha, good try but that doesn't make that your not a liar dude. I said multiple times that the setup that i used on the Navy Mega was doing a little little bit more DPS than the Abaddon after resists. But you still was denying it that my Navy Mega was doing more DPS.
I did not deny it, in fact i went to great detail to work out show exactly how much more dmg it did vs rsists.
With null it was 2.6 more dps at 11km i think.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
I suggest you read back, this is not the first time you have made this claim and i have corrected you and shown you where i say it does more on several occasions.
So yet again its you who are lying, only this time about me lying..irony of iroinies...![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX Yeah when you think they are lying, but when we tell you that your lying, then no, your never lying. That's the problem with you.
I prove it when others are lying about stats/fits ect, but if i make a mistake i admit it and correct it, that is the differance.
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Posted - 2009.04.08 22:49:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 08/04/2009 22:50:15
Originally by: NightmareX
Those names is lannycameron and Aeryn Scorpius. If they are not on sisi when you log on there, then you have to wait, or you can ask them on TQ.
Il do so if i get the chance, but they could be buddies of your so...![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX Yeah you denied it and had to make a math of it just to prove it that you was right.
I denied nothing and when a fit is posted i always work out the relative DPS.
Originally by: NightmareX And when i saw your HUUUUUGE error, then i told you was lying and was not right.
It was not a HUUUUUGE mistake it was a minor math error as i got the 2.6 more dps in the abaddons favor instead of the megas by mistake.
Originally by: NightmareX But you still was saying your maths and on how accurate you was 100% right sometime after i told you that, until someone else said that my math was right there.
None of that heppened as i corrected myself as soon as i noticed the error and 2.6 more DPS as a mistake is totally insignificant.
Originally by: NightmareX Should such a pr0 pvper like you do such mistakes ?. Any pvpers that do such huge mistake when it's about doing the math in DPS and resists are noobs tbh.
Making such a big thing about me saying that the abaddon did 2.6 more DPS then the mega when it was the other way around and that i corrected str8 away is just pathetic.
You are now lying and exhagerating what happened because you have failed at everything else in this thread and have only a tiny math error to go on about.
You are a sad pathetic little boy.
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Posted - 2009.04.08 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: Goumindong
This means "the EHP that the ship has against the others attacks. I.E. the Mega has 119k EHP against the DPS of a 6 turret 3 garde, max skilled Abaddon. The Abaddon has 136k EHP against the DPS of a 6 turret 5 garde, max skilled megathron".
That is a poor way to compare as in gang combat ALL dmg types are likely to be used, it is a pure 1 v 1 style of comparison.
Originally by: Goumindong RR gangs do not MWD to their targets.
Blaster BS do if they wanna do even close to the DMG ammounts you are going on about.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: Goumindong I am not really sure how you do not know this.
How can you not know that above?.
Originally by: Goumindong They MWD once and they all MWD roughly the same distance. They use their MWD to move into RR range and then they start engaging.
Exactly and RR range of each other is not going to put all the ships at 4.5km of the enemy no matter how much you try and claim it is.
Originally by: Goumindong Typically this is right on top of the other RR gang which is also not moving.
Rubbish.
Take your silly scenarios and pointless stats elsewhere they do not reflect reality of using blasters in gang combat RR or other wise.
And to claim such high DPS values from ships that spend most gang fights not even close to 4.5km from the targets or if they do burn buckets of cap mwding is just a joke.
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Posted - 2009.04.08 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
2. You denied it all the time when i said the Navy Mega was doing more DPS than the Abaddon before i did come with the maths that did prove what i said all the time.
It started on pg51 in post 1523 when i said this:
The abaddon has better EHP and damage if you use NULL.
You said i was wrong but posted 0 math proving anything.
I denied nothing but went back and retested and it turned out that the navy mega got 2354 more EHP and 2.54 more dps at 0-11km with null.
And i clearly posted these details in post 1530.
Originally by: NightmareX 3. Yeah and mistakes like that are not done by any experienced PVPers, just so you know.
It was a simple math error and one i never denied and also corrected. And you will not bait me by making silly comments like that, as real pvpers do make math errors but they do not make massive fitting errors as knowing how to fit a ship properly is pvp 101 and you failed...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX About the Null damage yeah, but that wasn't what we was talking about, we was talking mostly about Caldari Navy Antimatter L and other faction ammos. And my maths about the Navy Mega with CN Antimatter L was always right, even before i did the calculations to just to prove you wrong there. Until some others said i was right there AND THEN you changed you mind about the Navy Mega with CN Antimatter L right after.
Link or post/page numbers and if i was wrong i will admit it and even point it out like i did above.
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Posted - 2009.04.08 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: Goumindong
No, its not. Its a homogeneous style of comparison. For the moment, we know that if the choice came between the Mega and the Abaddon, the Mega would have 40% more DPS under reps(before overloading) and the Abaddon would have more range.
No we do not know anything because we are assuming that the mega is at perfect optimal for the entire of the fight against every ship it faces without using its mwd ever, that it is being shot at by only laser ships ever and that it is only shooting back at laser ships ever.
We are also assuming that your base figures are correct and that i highly doubt tbh.
Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: Childstar Getting into RR range of each other is not going to put all the ships at 4.5km of the enemy no matter how much you try and claim it is.
This game is not played on SISI, please do not claim it is.
Is that the best you can do to a totally accurate assesment?.
Why do you think most RR fits use rails?, why is it that you yourself have said to use RR rail fits in this and other threads time and again?.
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Posted - 2009.04.08 23:52:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 08/04/2009 23:56:09
Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: Childstar Link or post/page numbers and if i was wrong i will admit it and even point it out like i did above.
Here.
That was posted ONLY to prove that you was totally wrong about the thing that an Abaddon was doing more DPS than the Navy Mega with Caldari Navy Antimatter L ammo after the resists.
You was saying that all the time before i posted that and before another one said my math was right.
But as you see there, you was sooooooo very wrong about that.
I see your post in that link saying that the navy mega did more dmg with caldari am than the abaddon ect but i NEVER claimed that the abad was doing more dmg after resists than it with that ammo EVER.
You were replying to post 154 and that does not mention anything about the abad doing more dps than the mega with AM fitted?.
Show me where i do make that claim as i think you will find i do not.
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Posted - 2009.04.09 00:00:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 09/04/2009 00:02:54
Originally by: NightmareX
It was the only reason i did that math, because you was claiming the DPS on the Abaddon was better than the Navy Mega with CN Antimatter L.
Show me where i claim it them ffs as if i did i will admit it and correct it.
Cos the post you replied to in the rant about AM dmg said nothing about me saying any such thing.
In fact your reply is post 1549 but i clearly show the dmg amounts in posts 1530 and post 1535 BEFORE.
I think you are having another delusion tbh.
So why the heck would you say i was contradicting myself after i had made 2 clear posts agreeing with you ffs?.
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Posted - 2009.04.09 00:08:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 09/04/2009 00:10:48
Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: Childstar Edited by: Childstar on 09/04/2009 00:02:54
Originally by: NightmareX
It was the only reason i did that math, because you was claiming the DPS on the Abaddon was better than the Navy Mega with CN Antimatter L.
Show me where i claim it them ffs as if i did i will admit it and correct it.
Cos the post you replied to in the rant about AM dmg said nothing about me saying any such thing.
In fact your reply is post 1549 but i clearly show the dmg amounts in posts 1530 and post 1535 BEFORE.
I think you are having another delusion tbh.
So why the heck would you say i was contradicting myself after i had made 2 clear posts agreeing with you ffs?.
Read my reply over.
I did and you need to learn how to read before you rant, i suggest you read the post of mine you linked more carefully than you did when you first replied to it and obviosly than you did just now.![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
I say nothing about the abaddon doing more dps than the navy meg with AM fitted wtf are you smoking?.
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Posted - 2009.04.09 00:20:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 09/04/2009 00:22:50
Originally by: NightmareX
When you say the Navy Mega are doing the same DPS before taking the damage mods on the guns into picture, then yes, you was wrong.
I said that the navy mega does the same dps as the standard mega when they both have 3 dmg mods fitted.
Quote: THE STANDARD 3 MAG STAB MEGA GETS THE SAME DPS AS THE 3 MAG STAB NAVY MEGA...
See?... and thats true.
Originally by: NightmareX Yes the math there are about the same in DPS, or the Navy Mega is doing marginally better DPS BEFORE gun damage mod.
No its not cos both the normal and navy megas get the same bonus to hybrids so when they are fitted the same they get the same dmg output...
Originally by: NightmareX But why are you saying the Abaddon is doing the same DPS like that even before you took the damage mods into the picture there?.
WHERE DO I SAY THE ABAD IS DOING THE SAME DPS?????...I DO NOT EVEN MENTION THE DPS FROM THE ABAD FFS, ARE YOU MENTAL?.
I say that you are paying nearly 600 million isk for just 2354 more EHP than the ABAD.
Quote: YOU ARE PAYING NEARLY 600 MIL ISK FOR JUST 2354 MORE EHP THAN THE ABADDON...
See?........you can see that cant you, on your link and in this post?.
Then i show you both resists and the abads are a little better but thats all, i do not mention the abads dps at all.
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Posted - 2009.04.09 07:11:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
1. Why do you even tell us that the normal Mega and Navy mega are doing the same DPS, when it's clearly that they always have done that?.
Because it shows that the only thing you get for your 600ish mil is the same dmg output as a standard mega but a little more EHP and even that is only a little more than the abaddon.
Originally by: NightmareX 3. Did we talk about comparing the damage output to the Mega and the Navy Mega there?, or did i compare the damage output there between the Navy Mega and the Abaddon there?.
We already knew what the dmg output from the navy mega would be cos its exactly the same as the normal mega with the same fit.
Originally by: NightmareX 4. I don't want to read through 30+ pages just to find the reply you said it.
The navy mega was not discussed for 30 pages stop exhagerating, and if you want to find the dmg figures i posted look on pg51 in posts 1530 and 1535.
Originally by: NightmareX 5. Do i care if it cost 600 mill isk?. If i want to do the best DPS, have a very high EHP and can do RR combined, then yes, i choose the best i can find for that .
If i want the best ship for RR gangs, then i buy it no matter what.
Well you messed up cost its dps woulkd suck due to range and its tank was crap compared to how much it would get primaried.
And you never have used such a ship in pvp on TQ either, so what you were looking for was to win a argument ANY argument like a child having a tantrum.
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Posted - 2009.04.09 07:15:00 -
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Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: Childstar
No we do not know anything because we are assuming that the mega is at perfect optimal for the entire of the fight against every ship it faces without using its mwd ever, that it is being shot at by only laser ships ever and that it is only shooting back at laser ships ever.
This is not true, we are simply defining the game.
It is exactly true, you are defining the game to be a impossability of range, cap usage and time.
Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: Childstar
We are also assuming that your base figures are correct and that i highly doubt tbh.
If you don't believe me. Check them. turn all their stuff on except the MWD's.
No need to say anymore after that silly statment when you are discussing blasters tbh.
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Posted - 2009.04.09 07:26:00 -
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Originally by: Goumindong
First off, the effective range of the megathrons in question is over 25km. They hit 27km with their blasters at optimal + falloff with t2 long range ammo and 30+30 with the Gardes. No one is suggesting(except you) that anyone is going to be MWDing between primary targets.
If that is true then redo your figures using NULL not faction anti matter at its perfect optimal.
Originally by: Goumindong Second off, the majority of combat that it matters for is going to happen at ranges around 5km. DPS at 30km is not nearly as important in an RR fleet as it is at <5km. The reasons for this are twofold.
Rubbish it will happen where it happens and that is gaurenteed for MOST if not ALL of the ships NOT to be at 5km.
Originally by: Goumindong Even if the other RR gang is not at zero on the gate or station, they are going to be in a single blob not moving; so that they themselves can take advantage of their RR. If they're not then they've given up the advantage of RR. This means, at the very most, you're going to have a single burn to get to your targets, and not multiple burns. That, or you're going to organize a warp. (or disengage, you can do that since you're at zero on a gate)
They can be as far as 8+km away from each other let alone hostile ships, so for a bunch of other BS to ALL get to a perfect 4.5km optimal of them while also getting into RR range of each other is impossable.
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Posted - 2009.04.09 13:37:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 09/04/2009 13:41:17
Originally by: NightmareX
1. A little more EHP?. LOL. Have you seen how much difference it is with the same low slot setup from the Navy Mega to the normal Mega?. Just take one 1600mm plate away because the normal mega have one lesser low slot.
I will not just call that a little more EHP .
Then considering the abaddon gets roughly the same give or take a few thousand you can understand how much the standard mega needs help.
Originally by: NightmareX 2. Yeah and why even talk about that then?.
Because if im going to pay 550-600 million for a ship and fittings instead of 150-180 id not just want it to have more tank, especially when that more tank was only a few thousand more than my opositions that paid a bucket tonne less.
Originally by: NightmareX 3. I know it wasn't for 30 pages, but was still a point that i didn't want to go through lots of pages just to find it where you mentioned it.
Have you considered that exhagerating all the time is not such a good idea in topics that involve precise figures and statistics?.
Originally by: NightmareX 4. I have given enough proofs anyways on why i choose a Navy Mega over an Abaddon any days. Simply, the Abaddon is not good enough. It sucks compared to the Navy Mega.
On paper at 4.5km id agree in fact my posts on page 51 show that clearly, but on TQ in gang combat your fit on the navy mega would be a poor choice as it would just be a expensive loss mail.
Originally by: NightmareX 5. Yeah oh wow, i just missreaded one post. How many posts from me have you been reading totally wrong lol ?.
I have no idea but im sure it has been a few times i have misinterpreted you and visa versa, although id attribute it on both sides to the fact that your english being very good is sometimes just slightly phrased wrong, and as such on occcasion i can interpret what you have posted and you can interpret what i have posted incorrectly.
I mean no disrespect nor critasism or blame towards you in this regard it is mearly a observation, especially considering i would not know where to begin if i had to make posts in a non english/native launguage.
Originally by: NightmareX 6. Still, i'm a close range fighter that fights within 10 km anyways when i'm using a Mega / Navy Mega, so i don't care how much longer range the Lasers have on your Abaddon. If i'm 95% of my time in the 10 km range, then yeah, a Mega or Navy Mega is my best ships in RR gangs.
If in eve on TQ a player could pick and choose their fights so that 95% of the time it was 1 v 1 BS without worrying about reinforcments and at a range of under 10km and also get that sort of PVP regularly i woulds still think the mega needs more CPU and that gallente needed a good gunnery gang ship.
But you can NEVER gaurente that range even 25% of the time even if you did find another BS on its own looking for 1 v 1, and in gang combat RR or not you may get lucky and land at your optimal on one ship, but pilots in eve are not stupid (at least some of them are not) and they will never sit toe to toe with a mega or hyperion waiting for their turn to be primary and its naive to think they would.
Originally by: NightmareX I haven't used my Navy Mega yet in PVP because of my sec status. But just wait until i have the time to take my security status up to -1.9. Then i'm going to use it in PVP.
Its easy enough to get a ship moved accross empire if you really wanted to pvp in it or you could easily get your sec status up in just a few hours by speed ratting/system hopping, lets face it you have been posting about that setup for a long time now in many much older threads than this.
And you also have used it on sissi in FD- so you obviosly do not have such problems moving it accross empire on the test server.![Wink](/images/icon_wink.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.09 15:04:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 09/04/2009 15:10:34
Originally by: NightmareX
1. I would not say the Megathron is bad, i will rather say the Abaddon is to overpowered .
And only because an Abaddon (tier 3) ship have better stats than the Megathron (tier 2), it doesn't automaticly means the Abaddon is better when it's about combat. In stats the Abaddon is better.
Nerfing the abaddon will not solve the blaster or mega/hyperion issues.
Originally by: NightmareX You still know that the more EHP the better the ship is for RR gangs right?. I don't care if i can get a normal Mega to 180 mill isk when i can get a fuk ton better ship with a Navy Mega.
That is a easy claim to make when you never have used one, if you pvp'd in one regularly with your fit you would lose it a lot of the time you got into a gang v gang battle, and eventually ditch the idea.
You are not even close to being as rich as some ppl in eve and even they would not waste isk flying in a navy mega the way you fitted it. Originally by: NightmareX Don't talk about precise figures and statistic. You should first of all start to learn to read before and also make sure you does the maths right and before you comes with some stats lol .
Considering the sheer amount of stats, fits and math i have done on here its hardly supprising that a few small mistakes would crop up, but i always correct them and never deliberatly fake or gimp a fit to try and mislead.
You on the other hand have avoided fitting a entire rack of mid slots because it showed that the tank you were claiming to be able to fit was not possable, it took loads of posts just to get you to admit it.
And that was not a mistake it was a deliberate avoidance to fudge results. Originally by: NightmareX 4. If you fit the Navy mega right, it wont be that of an easy loss mail. Believe me .
But you did not fit it right and the crappy fit was the fit being discussed.
Originally by: NightmareX Yes, as i have said earlier, the only boost the normal Mega needs is a CPU boost. Do that and you can then fit much better setups on the Mega. Problem solved then.
I would not say it was problem solved but it would at least be a start.
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Posted - 2009.04.09 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
1. By thinking more about it, i don't think the Abaddon is the thing that need to be nerfed, it's more the Scorch ammo that need to be nerfed. Because when you compare the stats you have on the Scorch over what you get with Null, then yeah, the Scorch is a bit tad better than Null.
Null have x1.25 in optimal range while Sxorch have x1.50. If the Scorch gets down to x1.25 or 1.20, then it will be much better.
Because giving Scorch such huge optimal range bunus while the lasers already have pretty long range on the Lasers is kinda meh.
I still do not see how that helps blasters and the mega/hyperion, especially when you consider the MF has a longer optimal than NULL by 4km although slightly less falloff.
Originally by: NightmareX 2. I don't need to use the Navy Mega to know that. Because everyone says the more EHP you have in an RR gang the better it is.
Against a known number of ships and fitted correctly the navy mega is a good bait ship, but in the sort of larger scale RR fighting that happens on TQ its a expensive loss mail.
Originally by: NightmareX 3. Yes, that's fine. I have never done mistakes on my calculations / maths though.
You rarely do math, but you are right you do not make mistakes as you have actually deliberatly misled and posted part fittings..there was no mistake about it unless you count the fact that you thought you would not get caught.![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX I only fitted your crappy setup ONLY because you wouldn't use anything else than 3x damage mods. But i still said that my setups was much much better, and they are by miles.
The abad can get away with it, the ships you used cannot but you tried for pages to claim they were the best when they were a waste of isk on the navy mega and had a totally crappy tank on the std mega.
Originally by: NightmareX If you think about the range a Blaster Mega have, then no, the Blaster Megathron have always been a very close range ship and it will still be it forever. And i don't take this as a problem at all.
Nobody is asking for blasters to have more range, just that the mega gets enough pg and cpu to be fitted reasonably well, and blasters have the tracking to hit at the uber close ranges they operate in and that they do a bit more dmg at the 10-20km ranges so they are a little better in gangs and do not need to fit rails (that reaaaly cause fitting issues) or burn out cap by mwding all the time.
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Posted - 2009.04.09 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
I would still not do mistakes on my maths even if i had been doing as much maths as you .
Yea yea, your good at claiming you would do things you never do....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX Yeah the Abaddon can get away with it, and it's one advantage the ship have. But still by that, it doesn't mean the ship is any better than other t1 bs'es because of that.
No its not just that, but combined with the dmg and range of MF/pulse, as well as the range and dmg of scorch/pulse as well as the total EASE with witch it can fit along with its resist bonus makes it the BEST gang std BS in the game for the regularly available forms of pvp on TQ.
Originally by: NightmareX The powergrid is not the problem with the Mega, it's the CPU that is the problem. You see, the Mega can easily fit a Heavy Capacitor Booster II on the ship with 7x Neutrons and 1x RR and one 100mn MWD II if we use some ANP's instead of the EANM's.
I know how to fit a mega, it was you who needed showing.
The mega needs CPU for certain, the hype needs PG and maybe cpu as well and blasters need buffing in certain ways as well.
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Posted - 2009.04.09 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Traderboz
I think you guys should calculate the damage with Null, with CN Antimatter, with ANMulti and with Scorch, and paint the picture of what damage each ship does at certain ranges (EFT could graph this nicely I'm thinking). My guess would be that once you collect the numbers, Mega will do more damage within 10km, equal damage out to ~22km and then less damage once scorch takes over.
The have been done and the mega started losing at 9km.
Also the resistances used on the target ships were rather out dated and biased in favor of blasters considering contemporary and available BS tanks.
They also did not show just how much the mega suffered from not being able to fit the tank used due to CPU issues as it can only fit a weaker one, nor did it show the LARGE explosive hole the available mega tank has.
It also did not show that the abaddon has a resist bonus per lvl so has much much better coverage.
Remember this is not a laser BS vs blaster BS thread although laser BS are being used as a yard stick, it is a blaster/blaster BS thread and is here to show their many many issues with todays eve.
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Posted - 2009.04.09 18:28:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 09/04/2009 18:29:46
It has been shown many times that pulse have no problem at all hitting other BS or BC that are orbiting them, and in gang combat their are lots of webs to slow smaller ships that get close.
So tracking is not a issue.
The rail mega has a better cap managment than the abaddon due to it not needing to MWD around like the blaster mega does although it needs a cap injector as well to properly and effectivly function. And both the rail mega and the pulse abaddon will run out of charges long before they run out of cap just using guns and all the mid slot mods apart from the mwd (that they do not need to use as they have high available DMG range).
The blaster mega however is another matter as its available range forces it to burn its MWD a lot if it is going to keep its damage to a reasonably high level.
As far as cap is concerned the rail mega is better than the abaddon although they both are cap stable until they run out of charges, but if the blasters are used the cap issues can be crippling from using the MWD or if you choose not to MWD the dmg is poor.
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Posted - 2009.04.09 20:10:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 09/04/2009 20:13:59
Originally by: NightmareX
Pulses on an Abaddon doesn't have tracking issues? LOL. Maybe not at longer ranges, but in close combat, thery for sure have tracking issues.
Well maybe not while shooting BS'es, but try to hit a Hurricane that orbits you with the Pulse Abaddon, and then you do the same in a Blaster Mega.
What ship of the Abaddon and the Mega is going to kill the Hurricane first?.
Who cares?... as you have said in this thread many times already 1 v 1 stats are irrelavant. And in gang combat any target ship will be well and truly webbed as well as have transversal relative to very few ships.
Originally by: NightmareX The tracking on the Pulses on the Abaddon have 0.04219 while the Neutron Mega have 0.07442. And by that, the Megathron with Neutrons have 76-77% better tracking than the Pulse Abaddon.
The mega with rails and faction AM has a tracking of 0.01653 and yet they are used in RR gangs a lot by many alliances.....including your own as you were told in this very thread.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX Don't tell me that Abaddon doesn't have tracking issues when peoples here on the forum here already want a tracking boost to the Large Blasters, while the Neutron already have better tracking than Pulses before bonuses.
The tracking boost is because the hyperion and mega are supposed to be effective solo BS and since the web nerf they hit poorly at their optimals against small ships with only 1 web on them, they do not suffer from tracking issues in gang combat.
Originally by: NightmareX And no, the Abaddon is not cap stable at all when it use 2400 cap every 43 secs ONLY by guns . And you have to use cap boosters all the time to keep the cap up at a good level, if not, your most likely to cap out after a short time while you wait for the cap boosters to be used.
It runs out of boosters before it runs out of cap is what i said so it is cap stable as long as it has boosters, it is not like the blaster ship that can run out of cap before it runs out of boosters due to mwding.
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Posted - 2009.04.09 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
1. I care, and i just made a valid point why i will never use an Abaddon when it comes to hitting smaller ships than BS'es.
That is a broad comment and incorrect as the abaddon hit smaller targets fine in gang combat, its only in solo work it suffers but then so do blaster ships that is why ppl want the tracking buffed.
Originally by: NightmareX Used by many alliances?, yeah, but where does those alliances do the PVP?.
0.0/lowsec/empire depending where they are tbh, but mostly 0.0.
Originally by: NightmareX Not in empire or low sec, that's for sure.
A 0.0 alliance will still fight in low sec and empire if it wants or needs to.
Originally by: NightmareX But the thing that you don't see is that Blasters Megas are used waaaaaaaay more than Rail Megas with RR
I have seen no proof of that tbh.
Originally by: NightmareX because like 75% of the EVE population in EVE are in empire and low sec. And because in empire and low sec is where Blasters and RR's are mostly used.
75% of eve player base may or may not be in empire but that 75% are not all pvpers not even close, and the few percentage that are pvpers are not ALL gallente spec'd, and some of those that are gallente spec'd will use rails instead of blasters in gang v gang combat unless they are just ganking.
Originally by: NightmareX Yeah it's all about how fast you om nom nom nom nom nom you cap boosters then . And i think that's pretty fast.
Run a MWD, blasters, just 1 x RR, point, web on your mega and then you will see om nom nom nom nom nom...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.09 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
1. Yeah the Abaddon is limited to only gang combat before the ship works good. The Abaddon is not even near the Megathron by million miles when it's about doing very small scale PVP.
Im not interested in getting into a "best dodo catcher" argument its pointless.
Originally by: NightmareX Take an example, like the corp Atomic Battle Penguins (ABP), how often do you see they use Rails on their Megas when they do RR gangs in empire and low sec?. Never.
They use more mega pulse 2 than the do neutron blasters 2, and sitting outside stations popping undockers is not that impressive tbh, and in that rather easy scenario blasters work fine.
Originally by: NightmareX So there are a butt load more PVPers in empire and low sec than it is in 0.0 space anyways.
Maybe maybe not as 0.0 players either pvp or lose space, empire huggers do not need to pvp, and a LOT of low sec pvpers are gankers not gang v gang pvpers.
Originally by: NightmareX I have done that and my Neutron Mega with RR and MWD is still way more cap stable than the Abaddon no matter what you say.
No you have not and it is not.......or link to KB with proof.
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Posted - 2009.04.09 21:13:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 09/04/2009 21:15:43
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: NightmareX 4. See point 2. if you use some few hours to look around killboards from corps that are in empire and low sec, and when you look at their setups, you will see that i'm all true about what i'm saying.
How about you provide us the links since its your claim.
ABP killboard...top weapon used MEGA PULSE 2.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Favorite amarr BS..............ABADDON.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
http://www.killboard.atomicbattlepenguins.com/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=1234&view=ships_weapons
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Posted - 2009.04.09 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
1. You should look up those killboards your self. But i can name 2 of them right now while i remember it. The United and Atomic Battle Penguins. You don't find Large Rails in the list over most used weapons there.
Maybe no rails but plenty of MP T2.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX 2. Low sec is a good place to PVP in only if you use some little time to actually find the right place .
Low sec is a good place to gank unscouted noobs and fools on a gate and any ship can do that.
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Posted - 2009.04.09 21:26:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 09/04/2009 21:26:16
Originally by: NightmareX
Hey, you must be blind LOLOLOL.
Take a look again on the stats there. Neutron Blaster Cannon II - 713 kills + Ion Blaster Cannon II - 219 kills. And what is 713 + 219?, yes it's 932. Aka Blasters is most used.
Because Mega Pulse Laser II have 871 kills.
Does it feel good to be pwned again Child ?.
I hope you have vasaline handy...
A loss from ABP.
http://www.killboard.atomicbattlepenguins.com/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=5986
They use mixed fits of NEUTRONS AND IONS ON THE SAME SHIPS......1 SHIP LOSS = 2 GUNS REGISTERED ON THE KB (1 ION 1 NEUTRON).....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
I hope i was not to rough for you?...![Shocked](/images/icon_eek.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.09 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
Do you know why they do it?. No you don't.
They do it so they can fit a Heavy Capacitor Booster instead of having to buy multiple faction modules just to be able to fit a pure t2 setup.
They are a Mercenary corporation, and they need to have minimal with losses. And by buing lots of faction modules will not make their ISK income to be good enough.
Oh you wasn't so smart anyways .
I never made claims WHY they did it just that they do, so MP2 ARE the most used weapon cos the ions and neutrons are on the same ships...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.09 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
Blasters can't do that, and that's why MPL II have more kills. But hold on still. What ships is most used again ?.
Its true i mean the mega is used WAAAAAAAY more than any other BS.....
1660 megas used compared to only 885 abaddons.....
And yet mega pulse are the most used/successful weapon system...
And as YOU clearly pointed out there are no rails recorded.....
Just how bad do blasters suck that megas can be used so much more when fitted with them......and yet pulse are on top of weapons used....![Shocked](/images/icon_eek.gif) ![Shocked](/images/icon_eek.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Think before you post...how many times have i told you...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.09 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 09/04/2009 21:47:50
Originally by: Childstar
Originally by: NightmareX
Blasters can't do that, and that's why MPL II have more kills. But hold on still. What ships is most used again ?.
Its true i mean the mega is used WAAAAAAAY more than any other BS.....
1660 megas used compared to only 885 abaddons.....
And yet mega pulse are the most used/successful weapon system...
And as YOU clearly pointed out there are no rails recorded.....
Just how bad do blasters suck that megas can be used so much more when fitted with them......and yet pulse are on top of weapons used....![Shocked](/images/icon_eek.gif) ![Shocked](/images/icon_eek.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Think before you post...how many times have i told you...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
It's not all about having most kills dude .
It's about using the best ship for the tuype of PVP your gonna do.
It was when you started mentioning ABP, but as per usual you lost the argument and are moving the goal posts yet again.![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.09 22:06:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 09/04/2009 22:10:08
Originally by: Farjung
And Neutron Blasters + Ion Blasters is a valid total, because the figure comes not from one loss producing one of each, but each kill mail which the megathron participated in only displaying one or the other.
Perhaps but im not going to take your word for it tbh.
Originally by: Farjung 1842 megathrons (including navy) - 713 Neutrons + 219 Ions = 932 blaster participations 1370 baddon + geddons - 871 MP II participations
Nothing particularly illuminating about all this.
So if your right at best 500 more ship uses in the megas for only 61 more guns registered is not what id call a stella recomendation for a weapon system.
Originally by: Farjung This is all irrelevant because the point was that blasters are still being used on battleships in some situations. That they are limited to use mostly in empire gankings is tragic, but an inevitable result of the game's growth.
1. Nobody has denied that they are still being used.
2. What is being denied is that because they are being used proves they are the "best gang weapon in eve" ect as NMX insists it does.
3. Systems/ships need to grow with the game and blasters/blaster ships need a major growth spurt as they have been left behind.
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Posted - 2009.04.09 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: Childstar 2. What is being denied is that because they are being used proves they are the "best gang weapon in eve" ect as NMX insists it does.
Uhm, your now digging up lies about what i have said.
Did i say the Blasters was the most popular in gang PVP?, or did i say the Blaster Megathron (not only Blaster) was the most popular ship in RR gangs?.
I was actually refering to the blaster megathron as that has been the main ship you have been ranting on about, but i suppose i should have been more specific as you do tend to be a bit emotrolly on obvious details if they are not clearly pointed out.![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.09 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
Yeah it's the main ship i have been talking about. Have i ever done the comparsion that the Blasters is used more than Lasers?, no i haven't, because that's not what this is all about.
STFU, you went on about RR blaster megas being the most popular and used ship/system and so the best RR gang ship in eve for pages and pages.
There was no real point responding to the rest of the bulls**t in your post.
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Posted - 2009.04.09 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
My entire viewpoint is that an Abaddon is a ship that have to be used in a more big gang to work very good, while a Blaster Mega can do solo and very small scale PVP without ANY problems.
Because of the very poor tracking the Abaddon have compared to the Blaster Mega, then the Abaddon need MANY in the gang that can web the targets. Because without many webs on the targets the Abaddon is not going to hit anything.
So that's what i'm saying, and that's why i say the Blaster Mega is much much more popular than the Abaddon because of that.
And also because the Abaddon is a cap om nom nom nom'er at best, then i think many decide to use the more cap stable Blaster Mega over the Abaddon to.
And because when your fighting in empire and low sec, your not only going to shoot BS'es and Battlecruisers.
So in short. The Blaster Megas is limited by the range. While the Abaddon is limited to be only using in more bigger gangs to work very good.
So it's all up to what you choose to use .
This has been your view point for the last page or so because every other stupid idea you have had has been blown out of the water.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
1. The blaster mega is ineffective at solo work due to, lock time, the web nerf and the available and catchable/killable targets BS have been reduced to having. While many smaller ships can now kite and kill or kite and tackle until back up arrives a blaster mega or most other BS for that matter easily.
2. The blaster mega has no advantage in small gang combat although its fitting issues gimping its tank and the need to mwd to do its full dmg also gimps its cap and or dmg.
3. In larger gang combat its lack of a good tank and cap issues become even greater of a issue as it will be recieving even more dmg from larger gangs as well as needing to mwd around more to get into its optimal against each hostile ship as they are called primary or do reduced damage.
4. The mega/blasters lack good damage at 10-20km that would improve its ability in gang combat.
So to recap the mega/blasters lacks:
1. The ability to solo as well as a available solo target selection. 2. Fitting/tank. 3. Cap due to needing to mwd to do good dmg. 4. Good DMG within its longer (10-20km) available ranges.
Im only using the abaddon for referance and a yard stick but:
1. It is also poor at solo work but then most BS are now. 2. Its fine at small gang because of its available range as long as it has a tackler/webber along (but the mega needs those as well). 3. It has great fitting options and tank. 4. Its cap is fine if a booster is fitted and better in gang combat than the blaster megas cos with 45km of range it will not need to mwd. 4. Great range and DMG.
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Posted - 2009.04.09 23:11:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 09/04/2009 23:14:10
Originally by: NightmareX
LOL, your just bitter because Farjung told you the exact truth on how things are today with the Blaster Mega in empire and low sec.
He said eve had left them behind and that they were LIMITED to being of only any use for ganking in empire and it was TRAGIC...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: Farjung
That they are limited to use mostly in empire gankings is tragic, but an inevitable result of the game's growth.
Why are you so full of crap?.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.09 23:33:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
I'd take an Abaddon in lowsec, but I'd probably use a Mega in empire. Lots more station ganking in empire so range isn't as big of a deal.
-Liang
The thing is its not that the blaster mega is particularly better or the best at station ganking although it does ok, its that station ganking is one of the only things the mega can do reasonably well without losing dmg due to range or cap due to needing to MWD.
But even so if i was waiting for a good sized gang to undock sitting at 15km or even further away in a well tanked abaddon and having al lot of the incoming dmg reduced due to that range while still doing good dmg myself is summat id prefer tbh.
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Posted - 2009.04.09 23:44:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 09/04/2009 23:45:33
Originally by: NightmareX
1. The Blaster Mega still works much better in solo PVP than the Abaddon does anyways. Any smart Blaster Mega pilots can kite ships like cruisers, BC's to if they are smart.
Blaster megas can kite dmg from cruisers and BC?...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX 2. Blaster Mega have a good enough advantage in small scale PVP, the nice DPS advantage and the fact that Kinetic and Thermal damage is both very good damage to take in armor and shield.
Only if they are in range.....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX 3. It's not a problem for me. I have never had cap problems EVER in the Blaster Mega. But the Abaddon i tried yesterday on sisi on the other hand . I don't even want to talk about it.
You have never flown the mega on TQ.
Originally by: NightmareX 4. The Mega is not lacking damage if your fighting in the web range. What's the problem here when me and many others are fighting in the web range?. The Blaster mega is the king there.
Its getting into web range that is the issue.
Originally by: NightmareX 1. It have really nice DPS. And are doing great damages in both armor and shield. Lasers are BAAAAAAAAD at doing damages on armor omni tanks.
And yet the mega does not have the fitting ability to use the omni tank.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX 2. It's not a cap om nom nom nom'er like the Abaddon is, so for me the Blaster Mega is more a safer ship to use, because i don't have to worry about the capacitor. But on the Abaddon i was using yesterday, i was crying over the 10 cap boosters i had to use very fast yesterday because i was shooting all the time and was MWDing sometimes to. Cap was gone in no times.
You have never used the mega on TQ or you would understand about the cap.
Originally by: NightmareX 3. The Blaster Mega is the best solo / very small scale PVP battleship because of the tracking, so it hits targets smaller than BS'es much much easier than Abaddon do at close range.
Both BS suck at solo, and the abaddon is better at small gang cos it has the range to hit anything that is tackled.
Originally by: NightmareX 4. And i use the normal Blaster Megathron over the Abaddon because the Mega is like 50 mill isk cheaper than the Abaddon.
A change from "WWWAAA I DONT CARE ABOUT ISK I WANT A NAVY MEGA"... ...and you do not use the mega....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX 5. I use Blaster Mega because you have to WORK for your kills rather than pressing some buttons to get some easy kills.
Actually you do NOT use the mega at all...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX 6. I use a Blaster Mega because it feels much much better to have worked for your kills rather than sitting at gate and pressing F1-F8. You not a good pvper by pressing some few buttons to get some easy kills .
This is the same as 5...and you stll do not use the mega...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX 7. I use a Mega because it's looking really nice. Abaddon looks good to, but it's not near to look as good as the Mega.
You a tool...and you STILL do NOT use the mega....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX 8. I use the Blaster Mega because that's the ultimate pwn in your face ship in close range.
No its not the hyperion is...AND YOU STILL DO NOT USE THE MEGA...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.09 23:48:00 -
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Why do you keep lying about using the mega when you NEVER DO....,or link here to a KB with PROOF....![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.09 23:53:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
And no, i'm not listening to you Child, i'm more listening to those who are using Blaster Megas everyday in low sec and empire today on what's the best solo / small cale PVP / RR gank BS in EVE now.
They are not saying anything in this thread..., the only ppl in here are those who think your clueless and that the mega is only good for ganking noob empire bears...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: Farjung That they are limited to use mostly in empire gankings is tragic.
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Posted - 2009.04.10 00:01:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
1. I can, but can you ?.
Proof or stfu.
Originally by: NightmareX 2. Yeah they have always been in the range for me.
TQ is not like sissi, if you ask for a 1 v 1 BS fight on TQ a player does not warp to 0 in a BF area....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX 3. And you point is?. I still have flown the Mega way more on sisi.
You just made it with your comment on sissi....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX 4. Getting into web range have never been an issue for me.
That is cos you fly on sissi.
Originally by: NightmareX 5. Yes it have if you use one Ion Blaster and 6 Neutrons. Problem solved.
Learned another mega fit have you?..this thread has really educated you hasnt it..all you knew before here was how to pimp a navy mega and marauder on TQ...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX 6. So the capacitor usage on my mega is different on sisi than it is on TQ ?.
NO BUT YOU CANNOT PRE ORDER A BS TO FIGHT AND ARRANGE A RANGE TO START THE FIGHT AT ON TQ......![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.10 00:03:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 10/04/2009 00:05:19
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: NightmareX Do i need to use the Mega to understand how the PVP in EVE today is?.
No i don't.
But you have to .
That means i'm smarter than you.
And also, you don't want to know how smart i will get in PVP when i finally are going to use the Blaster Mega and the Navy Mega in PVP on TQ.
This statement boggles my mind. It's almost sig worthy.
-Liang
Disapointment tends to make him go major emo and start ranting...i think the video bloke pointing out that all blaster BS were good for is ganking empire bears hit for a major blow as he had hopes of a bit of back up....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.10 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
1. I asked you first. Proof or STFU your self.
Can i while flying in a plated mega kite the DMG of a cruiser?...er NO....unless im at 200km away and he is using blasters....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.10 00:31:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 10/04/2009 00:31:49
Originally by: NightmareX
Kiting damage and kiting ships is 2 different things smartypants.
Kiting damage is one thing, but kiting ships into you and lure them into a trap is something else .
And talking complete crap and making up nonexistant phrases is a third thing and summat you do because you are a pathetic little boy who cannot deal with losing.......![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.10 00:40:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
I told the difference with those 2 things, and then you comes with a rabble that was just to twist you away from the fact that i told the truth.
Care to give me a reason why i'm wrong?.
1. "kiting dmg", exists as regularly a used term in eve.
2. "kiting ships into you and lure them into a trap is something else", was made up by you a few minutes ago because you are a pathetic lying and stupid troll who cannot deal with being wrong.
Why dont you just sod off and take your bullsh*t, troll and pathetic argumentative and juvinille posting elsewhere.
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Posted - 2009.04.10 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX back to trolling
The last few pages have seen you well and truly bent over so i suppose its only natural that you would resort to your standard trolly ways.
I think im gonna head to bed and leave you to make a few comments about god knows what and look like a total fool as usual...
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Posted - 2009.04.10 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: Farjung Please don't go overboard analysing what I said. It was just an off-the-cuff remark when I checked back on these forums as I do every few months and saw a 50+ page thread on blasters. The following two statements may well be true. I wouldn't know, I haven't played seriously in a long time, and am no longer as familiar with the combat mechanics as I was.
a) Blasterthrons are one of the most effective solo PvP battleships
b) It's not really possible to solo PvP in battleships in 0.0 any more
I couldn't really say if a) is true. Last time I played, in a 1 v 1 battleship situation where both sides were PvP setup and expending slots on tackling and mobility, blasterthrons performed fairly well, but that was a long time ago. But even then, such situations were hard to come by on TQ.
When I last played, if you went out into 0.0 without a scout in a combat-fit battleship, you were going to lose it. Looking back at Axel's videos from many years ago, and then looking at mine, and then recalling how the game was a year later around the time I stopped playing, the potential to go out in a battleship hull by oneself and score kills without getting pinned down and ganked steadily diminished as a function of increased server population. It's logical to assume that nowadays it would just be an exercise in futility. If you limit yourself to only a sub-set of the population, via empire war, this problem disappears, but just going for a solo roam (truly solo, no alt scout) through 4 0.0 regions on an evening and scoring a bunch of kills is a thing of the past, and has been for a few years.
And this is as intended and encouraged by CCP - the battleship as a solopwnmobile was intentionally castrated over the years, in addition to the effects of higher population density.
Its was pretty much dead and then CCP decided to introduce a web nerf that made tackling, holding and killing smaller ships almost impossable and that pretty much put the last nail in the coffin.
Originally by: Farjung Once you start talking about gangs, the dynamics become a whole lot more complex. The size of the gang, the nature of the support. The bigger the gang, the more obvious the handicap of having to be within 15km of the target before doing appreciable damage is. Trying to generalise is futile - and it'll be more down to the quality of the warp-in and your EWar options vs theirs in a truly small gang scenario, and as the numbers scale it'll degenerate into how much damage each side can do how quickly, without being neutralised by falcons. The smaller the gang, the less handicapped the megathron is - the longer each target will last, and so the smaller the percentage of combat time spent getting into range is. If you assume that most of your combat will be within 15km of your warpin, blasterthron remains strong. Just as all you need to do is look at the optimal on mega pulse IIs to work out that laser boats will offer much more flexibility and scale better as gang size increases.
Small gang with BS is not really used either as their are smaller ships that can do great dps but are a lot more manouverable for the hit and run type of pvp small gangs do.
A blaster BS in small gang still needs to approach and stay close to the target/s to do high DPS, while a laser BS can land/lock/align and fire all at a more reasonable range making it more survivable if a blob/support turns up as well as being capable of doing its max dmg upon landing.
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Posted - 2009.04.10 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX picture + troll.
Nice self portrait, i assume that is YOU when your hero Farjung told you SOLO BS pvp is dead and also blaster BS suck at all but small gang pvp and even at that laser BS are better...
QQ more troll.![Very Happy](/images/icon_biggrin.gif)
PS: You only have 200 kills EVER and NONE are in blaster BS you LIAR.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.10 11:38:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 10/04/2009 11:43:06
Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: Mag's I guess you could stretch the kills to 220 at best, and that's giving you the benefit of the doubt. But none of those are in a Mega, lying and saying 600, is just daft.
Mind you, you would have us believe Electric Universe wasn't you, so I guess adding more kills is neither here nor there.
When you take the kills that i posted on the TunDraGon killboard and when you take the other kills i didn't posted on Battleclinic that time, because i was not the person who like to post on public killboards that time. And i don't really like it now either.
The epic rabble about my kills here is a good enough reason to stay away from that crap.
1. TunDraGon kills are on BC.
2. The link you gave to a KB with "other" kills on it was looked at briefly and there were NO BLASTER MEGA kills, and the kills i looked at and checked were also on BC although i did not check them all.
3. You want ppl to believe that in all the time you have played the BC just happened to miss 300% of you kills and EVERY kill and loss you took in a blaster BS?.
You have shown in this thread that you do not know how to fit, fly or even comprehend the problems blaster megas have on TQ, but you seem to want us to believe that you are knowledgable enough to tell ppl who have flown them that the problems do not exist?.![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX
EDIT: Mag's, do you have any comments about this?: link......
I prefer this one...
http://bl3h.evekb.co.uk/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=200369&view=ships_weapons
Hey look somebody with proof of blaster XP on TQ.
And he has more kills than you on BC...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Childstar
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Posted - 2009.04.10 12:07:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 10/04/2009 12:08:23
Originally by: NightmareX
1. Yeah but not mine.
How convienient.... /....liar...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX 2. Because that was like 5-6 kills out of the 400+ kills that is not on Battleclinic. But still, i have a little over 600 kills in total.
Proof of 400 more kills or STFU.
Originally by: NightmareX 3. I have some Blaster Mega kills back in the days, not from today.
Proof of blaster XP or STFU.
Originally by: NightmareX 4. I have shown that i'm not the pr0 master in EFT. But i have shown that i'm the pro master in doing maths.
You have shown you have no idea how wtf you are taking about and that you are a liar on many occasions. And you have done maths maybe 1 time....that hardly makes you a master although it is more than you have ever flown a blaster BS so i suppose you consider yourself experianced at maths after 1 sum...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX 5. Thats the last one. Yeah because he have posted his kills on there. I haven't.
You do not need to post kills or losses on BC it updates from many KB's on eve so if a loss or a kill gets posted by anybody on a KB linked to it BC gets updated.
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Childstar
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Posted - 2009.04.10 13:50:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 10/04/2009 13:51:32
Originally by: NightmareX
Ok so your not a liar at all ?.
I have no need to lie.
Originally by: NightmareX 5. And your not a liar because?.
Because i do not need to lie.
You make a lot of claims about them and what you did and what you flew and how many kills you got considering how short a time you were in the corp.....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Odd that in all the years you have played eve that the most active time and most uber killing spree just happen to be totally unprovable....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
You lie a lot, this is just another lie on top of all the others...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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Childstar
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Posted - 2009.04.10 13:54:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 10/04/2009 13:56:05
Originally by: NightmareX
And you don't lie much because?.
Because i do not need to, you on the other hand continuosly talk crap and lie and everybody sees you do it your a joke on this forum, in your own alliance and in the game.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Childstar
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Posted - 2009.04.10 14:08:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 10/04/2009 14:09:37 Edited by: Childstar on 10/04/2009 14:08:09
Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: Childstar
Originally by: NightmareX
And you don't lie much because?.
Because i do not need to, you on the other hand continuosly talk crap and lie and everybody sees you do it your a joke on this forum, in your own alliance and in the game.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Only because you say so?.
Proof or STFU .
You want proof?...sure...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Your alliance member calling you a cluless lying fool..![Very Happy](/images/icon_biggrin.gif)
Originally by: ChalSto
For gods shake.....look at your own alliance before you post such crap.
The megathron is a common ship in RR-gang...yes....but with RAILGUNS!
A RR-rep-bthron SUCKS in RR-gangs.
In 6 years of EvE, I havent seen a SINGLE working RR-rep-Bthron-gang. Not a freaking single one. The ones that tryed it got owned so badly that it wasnt even funny. And now YOU come here, trying to tell ME, that a RR-bthron is awesome?
Even the RR-rep-Railthron is outperformed to badly by a rr-rep-typhoon, that I fly one insteat of a mega in FoE gangs. And FoE are specialists in RR-gangs.
Hundreds of people tell you, that you are wrong. And yet you claim, that you have enough experience to tell people like ME, that that I am wrong? God damit....even CCP Nozh admited, that there¦s something wrong with blasters!
Its like you trying to tell Chribba how to mine veldspar.
You dont read the alliance forums You dont participate on ops You are barly online on TQ Your experience with Bthrons are pretty limited
Normaly I wouldnt dare to smack allaince-m8s, but its getting pathetic.
OWNED.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Childstar
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Posted - 2009.04.10 14:13:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 10/04/2009 14:13:27
Originally by: NightmareX
Only because you say so?.
Proof or STFU .
Your alliance member calling you a cluless lying fool..![Very Happy](/images/icon_biggrin.gif)
Originally by: ChalSto
For gods shake.....look at your own alliance before you post such crap.
The megathron is a common ship in RR-gang...yes....but with RAILGUNS!
A RR-rep-bthron SUCKS in RR-gangs.
In 6 years of EvE, I havent seen a SINGLE working RR-rep-Bthron-gang. Not a freaking single one. The ones that tryed it got owned so badly that it wasnt even funny. And now YOU come here, trying to tell ME, that a RR-bthron is awesome?
Even the RR-rep-Railthron is outperformed to badly by a rr-rep-typhoon, that I fly one insteat of a mega in FoE gangs. And FoE are specialists in RR-gangs.
Hundreds of people tell you, that you are wrong. And yet you claim, that you have enough experience to tell people like ME, that that I am wrong? God damit....even CCP Nozh admited, that there¦s something wrong with blasters!
Its like you trying to tell Chribba how to mine veldspar.
You dont read the alliance forums You dont participate on ops You are barly online on TQ Your experience with Bthrons are pretty limited
Normaly I wouldnt dare to smack allaince-m8s, but its getting pathetic.
OWNED.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Childstar
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Posted - 2009.04.10 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: Ambrosse Brutus
Originally by: Maggot The total effective damage for all guns, the intergral of dps vs range, given all other factors should be equal.
I am using blasters on my next ship due to the fact that they have the best tracking speed of any other turret weapons which is a variable you seem to have not considered in your analysis. This would not lend itself well to a heavy slow ship such as a typical battleship but for a fast light cruiser or frigate blasters are a much better option.
Exactly, this is also why i use Blaster Megas when it's about smaller targets over an Abaddon.
But when it's ONLY about going after smaller targets than BS'es, then a Tempest is pretty nice though.
1. You need to learn how to read and comprehend...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Quote:
This would NOT lend itself well to a heavy slow ship such as a typical battleship but for a fast light cruiser or frigate blasters are a much better option.
2. YOU DO NOT FLY MEGAS AT ALL....STOP LYING.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX Exactly, this is also why i use Blaster Megas when it's about smaller targets over an Abaddon.
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Childstar
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Posted - 2009.04.10 14:22:00 -
[324]
Originally by: NightmareX
Only because you say so?.
Proof or STFU .
Your alliance member calling you a cluless lying fool..![Very Happy](/images/icon_biggrin.gif)
Originally by: ChalSto
For gods shake.....look at your own alliance before you post such crap.
The megathron is a common ship in RR-gang...yes....but with RAILGUNS!
A RR-rep-bthron SUCKS in RR-gangs.
In 6 years of EvE, I havent seen a SINGLE working RR-rep-Bthron-gang. Not a freaking single one. The ones that tryed it got owned so badly that it wasnt even funny. And now YOU come here, trying to tell ME, that a RR-bthron is awesome?
Even the RR-rep-Railthron is outperformed to badly by a rr-rep-typhoon, that I fly one insteat of a mega in FoE gangs. And FoE are specialists in RR-gangs.
Hundreds of people tell you, that you are wrong. And yet you claim, that you have enough experience to tell people like ME, that that I am wrong? God damit....even CCP Nozh admited, that there¦s something wrong with blasters!
Its like you trying to tell Chribba how to mine veldspar.
You dont read the alliance forums You dont participate on ops You are barly online on TQ Your experience with Bthrons are pretty limited
Normaly I wouldnt dare to smack allaince-m8s, but its getting pathetic.
OWNED.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Childstar
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Posted - 2009.04.10 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
Only because you say so?.
Proof or STFU .
Your alliance member calling you a cluless lying fool..![Very Happy](/images/icon_biggrin.gif)
Originally by: ChalSto
For gods shake.....look at your own alliance before you post such crap.
The megathron is a common ship in RR-gang...yes....but with RAILGUNS!
A RR-rep-bthron SUCKS in RR-gangs.
In 6 years of EvE, I havent seen a SINGLE working RR-rep-Bthron-gang. Not a freaking single one. The ones that tryed it got owned so badly that it wasnt even funny. And now YOU come here, trying to tell ME, that a RR-bthron is awesome?
Even the RR-rep-Railthron is outperformed to badly by a rr-rep-typhoon, that I fly one insteat of a mega in FoE gangs. And FoE are specialists in RR-gangs.
Hundreds of people tell you, that you are wrong. And yet you claim, that you have enough experience to tell people like ME, that that I am wrong? God damit....even CCP Nozh admited, that there¦s something wrong with blasters!
Its like you trying to tell Chribba how to mine veldspar.
You dont read the alliance forums You dont participate on ops You are barly online on TQ Your experience with Bthrons are pretty limited
Normaly I wouldnt dare to smack allaince-m8s, but its getting pathetic.
OWNED.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Childstar
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Posted - 2009.04.10 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
Only because you say so?.
Proof or STFU .
Your alliance member calling you a cluless lying fool..![Very Happy](/images/icon_biggrin.gif)
Originally by: ChalSto
For gods shake.....look at your own alliance before you post such crap.
The megathron is a common ship in RR-gang...yes....but with RAILGUNS!
A RR-rep-bthron SUCKS in RR-gangs.
In 6 years of EvE, I havent seen a SINGLE working RR-rep-Bthron-gang. Not a freaking single one. The ones that tryed it got owned so badly that it wasnt even funny. And now YOU come here, trying to tell ME, that a RR-bthron is awesome?
Even the RR-rep-Railthron is outperformed to badly by a rr-rep-typhoon, that I fly one insteat of a mega in FoE gangs. And FoE are specialists in RR-gangs.
Hundreds of people tell you, that you are wrong. And yet you claim, that you have enough experience to tell people like ME, that that I am wrong? God damit....even CCP Nozh admited, that there¦s something wrong with blasters!
Its like you trying to tell Chribba how to mine veldspar.
You dont read the alliance forums You dont participate on ops You are barly online on TQ Your experience with Bthrons are pretty limited
Normaly I wouldnt dare to smack allaince-m8s, but its getting pathetic.
OWNED.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Childstar
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Posted - 2009.04.10 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
Only because you say so?.
Proof or STFU .
Your alliance member calling you a cluless lying fool..![Very Happy](/images/icon_biggrin.gif)
Originally by: ChalSto
For gods shake.....look at your own alliance before you post such crap.
The megathron is a common ship in RR-gang...yes....but with RAILGUNS!
A RR-rep-bthron SUCKS in RR-gangs.
In 6 years of EvE, I havent seen a SINGLE working RR-rep-Bthron-gang. Not a freaking single one. The ones that tryed it got owned so badly that it wasnt even funny. And now YOU come here, trying to tell ME, that a RR-bthron is awesome?
Even the RR-rep-Railthron is outperformed to badly by a rr-rep-typhoon, that I fly one insteat of a mega in FoE gangs. And FoE are specialists in RR-gangs.
Hundreds of people tell you, that you are wrong. And yet you claim, that you have enough experience to tell people like ME, that that I am wrong? God damit....even CCP Nozh admited, that there¦s something wrong with blasters!
Its like you trying to tell Chribba how to mine veldspar.
You dont read the alliance forums You dont participate on ops You are barly online on TQ Your experience with Bthrons are pretty limited
Normaly I wouldnt dare to smack allaince-m8s, but its getting pathetic.
OWNED.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Childstar
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Posted - 2009.04.10 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
Only because you say so?.
Proof or STFU .
Your alliance member calling you a cluless lying fool..![Very Happy](/images/icon_biggrin.gif)
Originally by: ChalSto
For gods shake.....look at your own alliance before you post such crap.
The megathron is a common ship in RR-gang...yes....but with RAILGUNS!
A RR-rep-bthron SUCKS in RR-gangs.
In 6 years of EvE, I havent seen a SINGLE working RR-rep-Bthron-gang. Not a freaking single one. The ones that tryed it got owned so badly that it wasnt even funny. And now YOU come here, trying to tell ME, that a RR-bthron is awesome?
Even the RR-rep-Railthron is outperformed to badly by a rr-rep-typhoon, that I fly one insteat of a mega in FoE gangs. And FoE are specialists in RR-gangs.
Hundreds of people tell you, that you are wrong. And yet you claim, that you have enough experience to tell people like ME, that that I am wrong? God damit....even CCP Nozh admited, that there¦s something wrong with blasters!
Its like you trying to tell Chribba how to mine veldspar.
You dont read the alliance forums You dont participate on ops You are barly online on TQ Your experience with Bthrons are pretty limited
Normaly I wouldnt dare to smack allaince-m8s, but its getting pathetic.
OWNED.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Childstar
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2009.04.10 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
Are you going to convince me to use an Abaddon over a Blaster Mega, or are you gonna do the emo posting like you do now?.
You do not use the mega so i do not need to do anything.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
PS: do you like my sig?.
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Posted - 2009.04.10 14:53:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
Ok so if i'm not using the Mega, then you REALLY should convince to use an Abaddon before i start to use a Blaster Mega LOL .
Do you think i care if you decide fly a mega or a abaddon?, this thread is about the problems with BS blasters and some of the ships that fit them not a stupid and clueless troll.
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Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2009.04.10 17:08:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 10/04/2009 17:10:18
Originally by: Liang Nuren
No, this is the worst thread I've ever seen on Eve-O. Hell, even my disagreements with Goum and the Great Amarrian Whine Squad of Olde were semi-civil and action packed with numbers and logical arguments.
-Liang
Logical arguments have been done, figures and stats have been posted and compared and realistic available scenarios on TQ have been discussed.
Unfortunatly when they showed what NMX did not want them to show his arguments became based on pimped fits, faction ships and a lot of ranting about experiance and pvp he has never had or done.
Then when that did not work out so well we have now a page or so full of his delusions about solo BS pvp being fully and readily available on TQ and the effectivness of the blaster mega as a solo ship.
If you look at the progression through the thread it goes.....
NMX makes a absurd claim, claim gets disproved, NMX goes on a emo rant, NMX changes his mind or makes up another claim. This progression repeats itself on several subjects throughout the thread from fitting to tanks to relative DPS to RR effectivness ect ect.
We just covered cap and tracking and solo work for BS (although he NOW claims that has been his point all along ) and have just about got past the emo rant stage.....i hope.![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2009.04.10 21:28:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 10/04/2009 21:32:11
1 x RR Blaster Mega with 2 x mag stabs vs 1 x RR Typhoon with 1 x BCU.
Mega gets 1132 max raw dmg. Typo gets 1006 max raw dmg.
RR Phoon gets 382 dps after/against FULL omni tank resistances. RR Megas gets 356 dps after/against FULL omni tank resistances.
The joke is that the mega cannot fit the FULL omni tank and the phoon does not cos its gets better overall resists with a hardener/dcu/twin plate setup.
Oh and in their ACTUAL AVAILABLE fits vs each others resists/tank...
The phoon hits the mega for 422.3 dps after the megas resists. The mega hits the phoon for 311.3 dps after the phoons resists.
So even with 1 dmg mod on the phoon, and the mega with 2 dmg mods the phoon hits the MEGA for 111 dps more AFTER their relative risists.
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Posted - 2009.04.10 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Rogue Lilly
Originally by: Childstar
1 x RR Blaster Mega with 2 x mag stabs vs 1 x RR Typhoon with 1 x BCU.
Mega gets 1132 max raw dmg. Typo gets 1006 max raw dmg.
RR Phoon gets 382 dps after/against FULL omni tank resistances. RR Megas gets 356 dps after/against FULL omni tank resistances.
The joke is that the mega cannot fit the FULL omni tank and the phoon does not cos its gets better overall resists with a hardener/dcu/twin plate setup.
Oh and in their ACTUAL AVAILABLE fits vs each others resists/tank...
The phoon hits the mega for 422.3 dps after the megas resists. The mega hits the phoon for 311.3 dps after the phoons resists.
So even with 1 dmg mod on the phoon, and the mega with 2 dmg mods the phoon hits the MEGA for 111 dps more AFTER their relative risists.
you are correct that a phoon flown by a character with 50m sp will do a lot of damage, now compare ANY other ship, especially anything below battleships size.
You do know that this is about problems BS sized blasters and the ships that use them dont you?.
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Posted - 2009.04.10 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Rogue Lilly
Originally by: Childstar
You do know that this is about problems BS sized blasters and the ships that use them dont you?.
oops, no, I kept seeing the brutix being brought up so I thought it was blasters in general. But it seems that every large weapon system has issues except rails and lazors.
Rails are ok for sniping but a pain to fit with a good tank on the mega if you wish to use them in RR gangs along with the dmg being rather meh....
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Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2009.04.10 22:34:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 10/04/2009 22:35:29
Originally by: Cache Oblivion
- every laser ships does 1k dps while tanking anything at 45k
Nobody has said that, and the abaddon was mostly under discussion not every amarr BS.
Originally by: Cache Oblivion has the ehp of the chinese wall and cap is no problem at all even though its amarr.
That the abad has the best standard BS ehp relative to simular fittings is not in question, and cap is not as much of a problem as ppl claim with a injector fitted.
Originally by: Cache Oblivion in the meantime blasters have problems tracking bs at close range and lasers kill anything at the same range cause they track like -50% better when the mega uses Null Ammo.
Are you on medication?.
Originally by: Cache Oblivion In remote rep situations the amarr ships rock cause they are super awesome when it comes to running guns and rep at the same time, every enemy target will be right at the scorch optimal of pulse lasers so a blaser mega will need to mwd 45 km for each new target to kill.
What ever you are on you should stop using it.
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Posted - 2009.04.11 09:27:00 -
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Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: Liang Nuren
For example, for a long time, I flew in Metro lowsec and explosive damage is very common there. Goumindong flew down south in The Great War against BOB and insisted I was an idiot for fitting an explo hardener. I insisted he was an idiot for fitting a plate. We were both probably correct for our situations.
Actually i was saying that you cannot balance around people using more explosive damage than you should expect. If you know people are going to be flying more ships with explosive damage then fitting an explosive hardener can make sense. BUT balancing around that is foolish, since the advantage that you're gaining is from outsmarting your opponent and not anything inherent in the system.
I.E. it would be like a game of rock paper scissors. If in Metro low sec people like to play paper then playing scissors is a reasonable counter strategy. But in general, your optimal strategy is going to be "random" and if you're trying to balance the game, balancing against those situations where people play sub-optimally will imbalance the game.
And yet is a lot of posts you use the onmi tank modal to show how much more dmg blasters do vs lasers and the omni tank has:
1. Bloody awful explosive resists.
2. Very few BS can or actually do actually fit it.
Picking a form of tank that favors blasters, 1. that the mega cannot fit and the tank that the mega can fit is weak and has a massive explosive hole, 2. that the abaddon has better than 3. That the phoon ect does not fit 4. and that also leaves any other ship using it apart from the abaddon with a dirty great explosive hole is a poor choice for balancing.
If a optimal strategy is for a "random" and unbiased measurement the resistances should be set all equal to reflect each individuals ability (or inability in the megas case) to fit how they wish.
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Posted - 2009.04.11 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: Alfred AngloSaxon
thought the abaddon was getting res bonuses ? isnt it like claiming that the rokh is a better shield tank than a mega aswell? so might be a poor choice when comparing.... i might be wrong tho ![Very Happy](/images/icon_biggrin.gif)
It does and i do not think its like comparing a shield tank to a armour tank tbh.
To me its about comparing available tier 1-3 BS and realistic abilities in a reasonable way.
On one side we have a ship with no real fitting issues, a amazing range and great damage within that range, along with having a natural resistance/tank buff that gives it the best tank of any BS in the game for the sort of pvp that is readily available to BS.
Its only down side if you can call it that is a cap issue if it needs to MWD a lot (and with its available range it hardly does).
But this is not really about the abaddon its about the problems with large blasters and the BS that use them.
The mega as a RR or std gang blaster ship lacks the ability to fit a even reasonable tank, the range it gets for its full and shouted about damage is at 4.5km so by any reasonable measure it is going to be doing a lot of burning/mwding and eating cap or getting reduced dmg.
Now consider how that relativly poor tank effects it when it is almost certainly going to be in the optimal of every hostile ship due to the range it is forced to operate in, at 15km or ever greater the abaddon can mitigate a lot of incoming damage from shorter range BS along with the added bonus of a much stronger tank while doing its full damage.
While the blaster mega has the choice to either sit back and hit with longer range lower damage ammo or burn into the optimal range of every hostile ship with its much weaker tank. Even switching to rails like a lot of RR/gangs do does not allow the mega to fit a good tank although it does solve the MWD/cap issues but again with the extra trade off that reduces dmg significantly.
I think for a ship that to do its full potential damage needs to operate at such close quarters and can mitigate 0 dmg due to range ect that things are a little backwards.
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Originally by: DARTHxFREE What noob and his 10 alts is bumping this fail thread, thiers noting wrong with blasters you just want an I-win gun.
Did you really need to go into so much detail in your analysis of the topic?...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Did you even bother to check what ppl are asking for in regards to changes?...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.11 17:43:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 11/04/2009 17:44:59
Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: Liang Nuren
For example, for a long time, I flew in Metro lowsec and explosive damage is very common there. Goumindong flew down south in The Great War against BOB and insisted I was an idiot for fitting an explo hardener. I insisted he was an idiot for fitting a plate. We were both probably correct for our situations.
Actually i was saying that you cannot balance around people using more explosive damage than you should expect. If you know people are going to be flying more ships with explosive damage then fitting an explosive hardener can make sense. BUT balancing around that is foolish, since the advantage that you're gaining is from outsmarting your opponent and not anything inherent in the system.
I.E. it would be like a game of rock paper scissors. If in Metro low sec people like to play paper then playing scissors is a reasonable counter strategy. But in general, your optimal strategy is going to be "random" and if you're trying to balance the game, balancing against those situations where people play sub-optimally will imbalance the game.
And yet is a lot of posts you use the onmi tank modal to show how much more dmg blasters do vs lasers and the omni tank has:
1. Bloody awful explosive resists.
2. Very few BS can or actually do actually fit it.
Picking a form of tank that favors blasters, 1. that the mega cannot fit and the tank that the mega can fit is weak and has a massive explosive hole, 2. that the abaddon has better than 3. That the phoon ect does not fit 4. and that also leaves any other ship using it apart from the abaddon with a dirty great explosive hole is a poor choice for balancing.
If a optimal strategy is for a "random" and unbiased measurement the resistances should be set all equal to reflect each individuals ability (or inability in the megas case) to fit how they wish.
And yet nothing! Omni armor tanks are the optimally efficient tank. Therefore you balance around them. Tanks with hardeners are not optimally efficient therefore you do not balance around them
RUBBISH its the most efficient tank at making laser ships look worse than they are and blaster ships look better than they are because of the biased resistances it gives and the EXPLOSIVE HOLE you ignore.
The onmi tank you used is the LEAST used BS tank in EVE.
The mega and geddon have less cos they cannot fit it.
The abaddon has more cos of natural resist bonus.
The phoon does better with a plug and plate.
The hyperion is the only ship that can and would really fit it and that is the BS with a active tank bonus and supposed to be fitting local reppers not buffer tanks.
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Posted - 2009.04.11 18:09:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 11/04/2009 18:14:48
Originally by: Goumindong
What does this even mean? The Mega and Geddon always omni armor tank.
Post the RR neutron mega fit that uses the eanm/dcu fit used in the graphs.
Originally by: Goumindong What does this even mean? The Abaddon also always omni armor tanks.
It has more resists and no explosive hole, while the omni tank used in the graphs does.
Originally by: Goumindong I don't think you understand what omni-tank means. You see, it means fitting resistance modules that have the same bonus for all resistances. This keeps the base resistance profile of the underlying hit point type.
I unsderstand perfectly, you picked a tank to use for measuring DMG that blaster ships hit hard but cannot fit and are weaker, and laser ships hit weakly but can fit better.....![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
If you are going to use the "OMNI TANK" from the graphs as referance for measuring the DMG output of the differant systems you should at least find out if ships actually use the EXACT omni tank in question.
AND MOST DO NOT.
Originally by: Goumindong We have, in this very thread(and others) covered the math that has shown that omni-tanking is more efficient than hardener tanking.
No you have not.
Originally by: Goumindong Stop lying and saying it isn't used. Stop lying and saying plugging is better.
Im not lying you are manipulating the term to suit your perposes.
You are lying as per usual.
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Posted - 2009.04.11 19:09:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 11/04/2009 19:15:08
Originally by: Goumindong
First off: It has an explosive hole.
Wrong the abaddons explosive resist with just 1 eanm is almost exactly the same as the megas thermal and kinetic resist, with 2 it is higher.
Mega with 2 x anp = 48.5% ex.
Aba with 2 x eanm = 70.1% ex. Aba with 1 x eanm = 61.7% ex.
Oh and the Mega with 2 x anp = 62.8% kinetic and thermal.
So if the abaddon has a explosive hole the mega has 3 holes pal.
Originally by: Goumindong Second off: Yes, it indeed has more resists, if you want to look at comparative tanks, well we took your fit and did that, and your fit lost.
Wrong in a comparative system vs dmg type the abad was doing more DPS against the mega tank than the mega did againsty the abad tank with the dual eanm tank and with the single eanm blaster dmg was only slightly more in favor of blasters and these ammounts were done AT BLASTER OPTIMAL.
Along with the fact that in gang combat you must factor in ALL damage types hitting your tank NOT just those done by blasters and lasers, and that is another problem the abaddon does not have.
Originally by: Goumindong Actually what I do is I explain what is happening, and then explain how different ships as targets will produce different results. You do not need to have all ships listed because that just clutters up your graph and makes it hard to understand.
If you're not smart enough to make these rational inferences then that is your problem and there is nothing i can do to fix that.
Rubbish, what you do is post the figures you think will show the results in the best light for you. The FACTS and figures i posted show the things your graphs deliberatly avoided.
Your problem with me is that im smart enough to see through you bullsh*t, manipulations and word games and your right their is nothing yopu can do to fix it, unless you count telling the WHOLE and TOTAL truth for a change...
Originally by: Goumindong Man what? If you're talking about the claim that at 30km an abaddon[over optimal+falloff for an abaddon w/ MF] does more em than thermal, then yea, Scorch is 91% EM damage and i am absolutely correct in that estimation.
I do not remember talking about a range of 30km?, in fact most of the figures in this thread have been HIGHLY BIASED in favor of blasters (because its a blaster thread) and been worked out in faction AM optimal so ALL laser figures were worked out with faction MF.
And faction MF is 58% EM 42% THERMAL and even with 3 HS fitted the abaddon does 564.72thermal 531.28em (3x gaurde T2).
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Posted - 2009.04.11 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
Anyways, if you want the best CLOSE range BS that can fit one RR without having to take away one gun so you get a horrible DPS, then the best choice is the Blaster Mega.
Horrible DPS?...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
The abaddon gets more DPS with 7 guns than the mega does with 7 after comparative resists and the abad also has:
1. A better tank.
2. 300% more range with MF and 1000% more range with scorch.
3. Because of that ability to hit VERY hard at great range it gets a reducion in incoming DMG from shorter range systems and does not need to MWD towards each and EVERY target.
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Posted - 2009.04.11 19:49:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 11/04/2009 19:54:43
Originally by: Childstar
The abaddon gets more DPS with 7 guns than the mega does with 7 after comparative resists and the abad also has:
1. A better tank.
2. 300% more range with MF and 1000% more range with scorch.
3. Because of that ability to hit VERY hard at great range it gets a reducion in incoming DMG from shorter range systems and does not need to MWD towards each and EVERY target.
Originally by: NightmareX Are you still forgetting the DPS math i did?.
I clearly showed you there that 7x Neutrons with CN Antimatter and 3x damage mods and the rest of the fit that after the resists and before the damage mod on the guns was taken into the picture the Neutrons om the Mega was already doing a little more DPS than the Abaddon with 7 guns and one RR.
After the Gun damage mods was calculated in, the Neutron Mega was doing 24% more DPS than the Abaddon.
Isn't that more DPS than the Abaddon ?.
1. That was raw damage not AFTER resists.
2. Do you mean the NAVY MEGA and the triple faction mods?....
3. That tank on a normal mega would be bloody awful with 3 dmg mods.
...i ignored it as being irrelavant to a discussion about regularly used and available fits on TQ..
Originally by: NightmareX 1. Who cares, a Megathron is a ship that just moves to the targets and face **** everyone that are in their range and warps out. It's hit and run.
This is a new line you are ranting about hit and run BS lol....., how do your 4.5km blaster megas warp out with 24km points on them?....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX 2. Does Blaster Mega pilots cares about that oh Lasers can hit are more longer range?. No they care about melting your face when they get to you.
With 3 mag stabs it will be the megas that get melyed due to bloody useless tanks...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.11 19:59:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 11/04/2009 20:02:05
Originally by: NightmareX
Pointless rant about a faction fitted navy mega
Fixed and...
DID YOU READ THIS...
..i ignored it cos it was about a FACTION BS WITH FACTION MODS and as so it is irrelavant to a discussion about regularly used and available fits on TQ..
Now go away unless you have a standard mega with a non faction fit to discuss.
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Posted - 2009.04.11 20:12:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: Childstar
Originally by: NightmareX
Pointless rant about a faction fitted navy mega
Fixed and...
DID YOU READ THIS...
..i ignored it cos it was about a FACTION BS WITH FACTION MODS and as so it is irrelavant to a discussion about regularly used and available fits on TQ..
Now go away unless you have a standard mega with a non faction fit to discuss.
Originally by: Childstar 3. That tank on a normal mega would be bloody awful with 3 dmg mods.
I can just go to number 3. Do you know why it would be awful?, yes it's because your donkey ass setup sucks and stinks. No one would ever use 3x damage mods on a Megathron ever today.
Its YOUR donkey ass setup YOU TOTAL CLOWN, YOU BLOODY WELL POSTED IT.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: Childstar The Navy Mega and the normal Mega have the exact same DPS and resists noob.
Do they really?, now the same dps i agree with but the same resists?...after fitting?...with the navy mega having 8 lows and using 3 anps?...are you sure?...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.11 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: Childstar
So if the abaddon has a explosive hole the mega has 3 holes pal.
Abaddon's have a slightly smaller hole, but they pay for it in a slightly lower resistance to other things.(bonuses which are typically higher too)
Bullsh*t.
2 x anp mega 71.4em, 62.8th, 62.8ki, 48.5ex. 1 x eanm aba 76.1em, 68.9th, 64.1ki, 61.7ex.
All the abaddons resists are HIGHER and the fit has MORE armour and EHP.
If you want to compare tanks then do so with each ships tank being hit by a equal ammount of EACH AND EVERY dmg type. Because in a true gang fight you will be getting hit by them all, although a higher % of thermal due to drones.
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Posted - 2009.04.11 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
1. It's my donkey setup because your donkey noob ass couldn't post anything else than the donkey 3x damage mods setup on your Abaddon.
If its YOUR donkey setup do not call it mine, and i posted the abaddon fit that was best for the job if the mega has fitting issues that makes it such then this thread has done its job and you crying about it and posting stupid fits is just SAD and pathetic.
The biggest noob in this thread is YOU as you did not even know how to fit a blaster ship before you started trolling here and you have still NEVER flown one...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.11 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
1. The Neutron Mega have much more DPS than the Pulse Abaddon.
Lies it has less after resists even with 3 dmg mods and fitting 3 = awful tank.
Originally by: NightmareX 2. The Neutron Mega is much much more cap stable than the Abaddon.
Wrong the mega needs to MWD a lot in gang combat, the only place the mega has a cap advantage is station camping carebears in empire and even then the abaddon has plenty its just less than the megas.
Originally by: NightmareX 3. The Megathron is faster than the Abaddon.
18ms faster LOL...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX 4. The Megathron is 50-55 mill isk cheaper than the Abaddon.
Insignificant when you factor in insurance.
Originally by: NightmareX 5. The Neutron Mega have the best tracking off all of the normal BS'es.
Unimportant in gang combat due to multiple webs.
Originally by: NightmareX 6. Mega can fit one RR without having to take away one gun just to be able to fit one RR. So you don't lose any DPS by fitting one RR.
The mega starts with 7 guns the abaddon starts with 8 so with RR fitted they both have 7.
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Posted - 2009.04.11 20:38:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 11/04/2009 20:39:44
Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: Childstar
Originally by: NightmareX
1. It's my donkey setup because your donkey noob ass couldn't post anything else than the donkey 3x damage mods setup on your Abaddon.
If its YOUR donkey setup do not call it mine, and i posted the abaddon fit that was best for the job if the mega has fitting issues that makes it such then this thread has done its job and you crying about it and posting stupid fits is just SAD and pathetic.
The biggest noob in this thread is YOU as you did not even know how to fit a blaster ship before you started trolling here and you have still NEVER flown one...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Do you know why i used it?. It's because you couldn't use anything else than your fail 3x damage mods setup. That's the reason.
If you had used 2x damage mods, i would do that to.
That only proves you a total and childish idiot, to post a stupid and worthless fit instead of a useful one because of one stat and fit another race can easily fit without gimping its ship.
Originally by: NightmareX And do you really know what will happen if i take away one damage mod on my Navy Mega setup and put in either one EANM t2, or another 1600mm RTP?. LOL i will still do more DPS than you and still have a fuk ton more EHP than you .
Did you learn nothing from the above comment about stupid fits or ships in this thread?...WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?.
You will still have a pointless and worthless ship/fit for this thread cos you are STILL using a faction ship instead of a standard one.
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Posted - 2009.04.11 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
1. OK, be prepeared to see my stats and all with the 2x damage mods Navy Mega i'm setting up in the new EFT soonÖ. I will so lol at you when you see how much better the Navy Mega is over the Abaddon. It just adds more to the value of the Navy Mega to the isk you have to pay for the Navy Mega.
The only stats i am interested in seeing are those on the standard mega, do not waste your time posting stupid navy mega fits as they are pointless.
Originally by: NightmareX 2. How many times do i have to tell you this. I don't care if it's a faction ship or not. If i want the B E S T RR, DPS and EHP combined BS, then i will buy the Navy Mega.
This is a thread about fixing blasters and the standard mega/hyperion as they are the ships 99% of the players in eve will be flying, posrts from a sissitard about ships he has never and will never fly are worthless.
Originally by: NightmareX I'm not talking about the best normal tier 1, 2 and 3 RR, DPS and EHP battleships. I want the best RR, DPS and EHP battleship in the whole EVE.
Then sod off and start a thread about it as this is about normal BS not faction fits or faction ships.
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Posted - 2009.04.11 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
1. It have, if you don't believe it, then show me the math, or STFU.
Faction ship stats are worthless, you STFU about them and your stupid useless fits.
Originally by: NightmareX 2. Yeah it need to MWD somethimes, but did you forget to read what i wrote under that line?. Yes you did forget it or just ignored it totally. Read it and STFU.
The only time a abaddon needs to mwd is to burn back to a gate maybe as 45km of range is plenty, the mega needs to a lot.
YOU STFU.
Originally by: NightmareX 5. It still have the best tracking of all large guns. So it's better for more solo / very small scale PVP works. Abaddon would die horribly to a smart Hurricane pilot. The Megathron would at least have the tracking to hit him and kill him.
1. Solo BS work is dead.
2. Small gang pvp has plenty of webs.
3. The cane pilot would have multiple webs on him and still die, and if he tried to burn away the abad has the range to kill him while the mega woulkd need to mwd.
Originally by: NightmareX Yeah, and this was the point i was after?. I told that YOU had to OFFER ONE GUN on your Abaddon to be able to fit one RR. The Megathron don't have to. Learn to read.
So what?, 7 guns each and a RR is 7 guns each and a RR.
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Posted - 2009.04.11 21:04:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 11/04/2009 21:05:00
Originally by: NightmareX
1. The Navy mega are still with BLASTERS, that are what this topic is about. Read the subject text maybe?.
2. Oh look at the tears when you saw that i did say how it is.
3. This is a topic about Blasters, not only about Mega and Hyperion with Blasters.
4. Read my point number 1.
Faction fits and ships will be treated with the "LOLS SAD LOSER NOOB FACTION PIMPING" respect they deserve for a thread about blasters and the regular and standardly fitted ships they go on.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Unless you can show that the NAVY MEGA is more regularly used than the standard mega.
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Posted - 2009.04.11 21:28:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 11/04/2009 21:35:08
Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: Childstar
All the abaddons resists are HIGHER and the fit has MORE armour and EHP.
2 x anp mega 71.4em, 62.8th, 62.8ki, 48.5ex. 1 x eanm aba 76.1em, 68.9th, 64.1ki, 61.7ex.
If you want to compare tanks then do so with each ships tank being hit by a equal ammount of EACH AND EVERY dmg type. Because in a true gang fight you will be getting hit by them all, although a higher % of thermal due to drones.
I am sorry, i should have been explicit with you.
Relative values. The Abaddon gets 11.25% extra on its explosive, the Mega gets 14% extra on its kinetic.
Your 3 HS abaddon [1 EANM, 2 plates] does have more armor and slightly better resists, but not enough that it makes up for the DPS of the mega, which was the question before you tried to deflect it(again)
Im not trying to deflect anything you are.
1. Comparing unfitted stats when you know the mega has fitting issues is pathetically obvious.
2. After fitting it is 4.7em, 6.1th, 1,3ki 13.2ex more resists for the abad with 3,897 more armour and 31,348 more EHP.
Mega has 31,454 armour and 118,388 EHP. Abad has 35,351 armour and 149,678 EHP.
The mega MAY (i cannot be bothered to work it out at the moment) have a very marginal greater DPS after relative resists.
But considering this is at BLASTER OPTIMAL, the abad has 300% more range + plenty more tank with no holes its very clear that the megas MAYBE slight more damage is nothing.
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Posted - 2009.04.11 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX Blah blah blah rant about solo BS pvp, 1 v 1 fights and faction ships
Do you have anything worthwhile to add?.
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Posted - 2009.04.11 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Karentaki
Originally by: Goumindong stuff
more stuff
You are right about plug and plate but it depends on the ship it it fitted on, FOR EXAMPLE the phoons plug and plate fit shown in this thread is great and has awsome coverage of ALL resists and very nice EHP.
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Posted - 2009.04.11 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX blah blah blah faction fit + faction ship blah blah
Why are you wasting your time?.
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Posted - 2009.04.11 22:35:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 11/04/2009 22:34:52
Originally by: NightmareX Yet more worthless stats from a faction ship.
Whatever.
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Posted - 2009.04.11 22:47:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 11/04/2009 22:48:22
Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: Childstar
Originally by: NightmareX blah blah blah faction fit + faction ship blah blah
Why are you wasting your time?.
I'm not wasting my time at all because your fun to make fun of when you can't do maths right. And when you think the Navy Mega is not worth the isk it cost .
600 mil for:
1. The same DPS and weapons range as a normal mega (4.5KM).![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
2. ONLY 10k (7%) more EHP than the abaddon.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
3. LOWER resists than the abaddon.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
4. A MASSIVE bullseye painted on your ship, right underneath the sign syaing "hello im primary MELT ME PLEASE"...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
IT IS NOT WORTH IT.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.11 22:52:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 11/04/2009 22:53:52
Originally by: NightmareX
Not worth it for you, but for me and probably many others it is.
No its not worth it, and you are only saying its worth it because you have never flown it and never will.
Its a stupid pointless and expensive fit and i suggest you read point 4 again.
Now post a fit for a proper/regularly used standard mega or go away and stop making pointless fits.
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Posted - 2009.04.11 23:01:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 11/04/2009 23:03:36
Originally by: NightmareX
LOL, i know it's worth it even if i haven't flown it before.
LOL typical NightmareX statment...no XP, no idea, no truth, no clue, no intention of actually flying it, ............................................................................
and no chance of anybody actually believing you that you will fly it.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.11 23:07:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: Childstar
Originally by: NightmareX
LOL, i know it's worth it even if i haven't flown it before.
LOL typical NightmareX statment...no XP, no idea, no truth, no clue, no intention of flting it, ............................................................................
and no chance of anybody actually believing you that you will fly it.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Do you even know WHY i did buy the Navy Mega to begin with?. No you don't.
Use 15-20 mins to think about it and come back and tell me what you have found out.
So you could fit it with a pimped faction fit and after every mirror get moved in it to FD- so you can play YOUR easy mode, epeen posting in FD- local version of eve online....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Everybody knows that pal its hardly a secret and i do not need 15 seconds let alone 15mins to think about it....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.11 23:12:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 11/04/2009 23:12:42
Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: Childstar
Originally by: NightmareX
Do you even know WHY i did buy the Navy Mega to begin with?. No you don't.
Use 15-20 mins to think about it and come back and tell me what you have found out.
So you could fit it with a pimped faction fit and after every mirror get moved in it to FD- so you can play YOUR easy mode, epeen posting in FD- local version of eve online....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Everybody knows that pal its hardly a secret and i do not need 15 seconds let alone 15mins to think about it....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
At least add some nice stuffs like i did with the Navy Mega.
You have added nothing to this thread but stupid fits on stupid ships and a whole lot of troll.
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Posted - 2009.04.11 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX emo post to cover bailing and having 0 reasonable arguments about the actual topic
Good riddance.
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Posted - 2009.04.11 23:47:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 11/04/2009 23:47:19
Originally by: Goumindong
Quote:
2. After fitting it is 4.7em, 6.1th, 1,3ki 13.2ex more resists for the abad with 3,897 more armour and 31,348 more EHP.
These numbers are worthless. Also, do you not understand the concept of relative?
Quote: Mega has 31,454 armour and 118,388 EHP. Abad has 35,351 armour and 149,678 EHP.
Your 3 Heat Sink Abaddon does not have that much EHP. Are you playing a bait and switch game here?
Also, your raw armor numbers are just plain wrong.
1. THET ARE NOT WORTHLESS THEY ARE EXACT.
2. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF GANGS HITTING FOR ALL DMG TYPES.
The 3 HS abaddon has exactly that ehp AND armour, if it looks high add gang bonuses.
I gave the mega the same bonuses...odd how you did not point that out.....![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: Childstar
You are right about plug and plate but it depends on the ship it it fitted on, FOR EXAMPLE the phoons plug and plate fit shown in this thread is great and has awsome coverage of ALL resists and very nice EHP.
That is great, but when you omni-tank it, its even better.
No its not.
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Posted - 2009.04.12 00:25:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 12/04/2009 00:29:43
Originally by: Goumindong
Quote:
2. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF GANGS HITTING FOR ALL DMG TYPES.
Do you understand the concept that the damage that your gang does depends on the ships that are in it? Gangs DPS is not independent of the ships you bring, so if you bring a ship that does less damage against armor, it affects how well your gang performs against armor tanks.
Do you understand the dmg your gang can tank depends on the ships you bring and the tanks they can fit?.
Do you understand the DMG your ships do is dependant on the available weapon range they have?.
The only way to be reasonably realistic in measuring a ships tank is to say thermal will be the most used damage type in gang combat (due to drone dmg) and set the rest as equal.
Then do a comparison with the available tanks.
So in a gang fight out of every 1000dps say 300 of it is thermal due to drones and 233 dps each from the other dmg types.
Originally by: Goumindong
Quote: No its not.
Except that it is, unless your goal is to be killed by amarran ships.
Phoon plug and plate RR fit has > overall resists than the eanm fit, and > EM resists than the eanm fit has explosive resists.
So i guess it will be the eanm fit dying to mini and missile ships, as well as getting hit harder by all the other races than the plug and plate fit..
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Posted - 2009.04.12 10:11:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 12/04/2009 10:14:57
Originally by: Goumindong
Quote:
Do you understand the DMG your ships do is dependant on the available weapon range they have?.
Yes, and this is why lasers do less damage than blasters. Welcome to design goals circa "release day"
STFU, lasers do not do less damage than blasters at most of their available range, and even at the ranges they actually do SLIGHTLY less dmg than blasters lasers still do massive amounts of damage.
lasers vs blasters...........
Originally by: Goumindong
Quote:
The only way to be reasonably realistic in measuring a ships tank is to say thermal will be the most used damage type in gang combat (due to drone dmg) and set the rest as equal.
Then do a comparison with the available tanks.
So in a gang fight out of every 1000dps say 300 of it is thermal due to drones and 233 dps each from the other dmg types.
Not really, it kinda depends on the gang, and explosive drones are nearly as popular and kinetic drones a close third. If all you're facing is thermal drones, something is wrong.
Then there are all the droneless ships and ships not using damage drones.
In gang combat it is likely most of the drones will be thermal, as well as the fact that you will be getting hit by ALL dmg types. But if you wish set all dmg types to equal incoming damage and measuse the effeciancy of the available tanks.
Originally by: Goumindong Congratulations, you traded 94,805 EM EHP for 101 EX EHP, 115 kin EHP, and 128 thermal EHP.
Wrong.
EM: 105k Exp 138k Kin: 156k Therm: 171k
VS
200,386 Em 113,646 ex, 125,986 kin 136,411 th
EM: -95k Exp: +25k Kin: +30k Therm: +35k
It is you who traded good resists/EHP against 3 dmg types just for 1.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.12 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 12/04/2009 13:48:18
Originally by: Quixess Edited by: Quixess on 12/04/2009 13:39:24
Originally by: Laur Khal
Originally by: NightmareX
Just because your so dumb
this never fails to amuse me.
Irony at it's best, you could say. ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Says the alt(s) with no balls to post with your main character .
Says the main that posted support and praise for himself WITH a alt and then first pretended not to know himself, then claimed you were buddies, and later claimed you were brothers...all in the same thread and within a few pages......![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.12 14:27:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 12/04/2009 14:27:50
Originally by: NightmareX
Yeah i posted with my alt Fatality Killer some few times when i was on someone elses computer where i didn't had stored NightmareX as default character on my account.
Yeah we can still be friends even when we are brothers. It's not like we are enemies to each others though .
Electric is also your alt.
Originally by: NightmareX Now, have you figured out why i did buy the Navy Mega in the first place yet?.
I'll guess you haven't.
Yes i have..![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Its so you could fit it with a pimped faction fit and after every SISSI mirror get moved in it to FD- so you can play YOUR easy mode, epeen posting in sissi FD- local version of eve online....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Everybody knows that pal its hardly a secret....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.12 15:07:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 12/04/2009 15:09:42
Originally by: NightmareX
1. Where is the proof electric is my alt.
2. Now, have you figured out why i did buy the Navy Mega in the first place yet?.
I'll guess you haven't.
1. The proof is all over this thread.
2. Yes i have..![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Its so you could fit it with a pimped faction fit and after every SISSI mirror get moved in it to FD- so you can play YOUR easy mode, epeen posting in sissi FD- local version of eve online....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Everybody knows that pal its hardly a secret....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) .
And yet you have admitted on this very thread MANY MANY TIMES that you have never flown it on TQ, so all you have ever done is get it moved to FD- after every mirror....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.12 15:35:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 12/04/2009 15:37:37
Originally by: NightmareX Yes as i have said for the 7834697457469474777th time. Because of my sec status and because the location the Navy Mega is at now on TQ, i can't use it yet. Is a simple thing as this so hard to understand?. At least i have got a very nice experience on flying the ship on Sisi before i can fly it on TQ though.
More lies....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
lol navy mega fit UPDATED (so you already had it) on 2008.09.06 13:22:00
To busy to get you sec status up for all those months????...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
You do not explain you lie to cover your lies that are on top of other lies.
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Posted - 2009.04.12 15:54:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 12/04/2009 15:55:37
Originally by: NightmareX
1. You know that my Setup was the first setup i added to that page?. Yes i had the Navy Mega with that setup maaaaany months before i did put up the web page. Ops, you was wrong AGAIN LOL.
I know no such thing and who cares if it was the first or last you have still had months to use it and get your sec status up.
So i was wrong about nothing especially about you being a liar.
Originally by: NightmareX 2. As you have memory problems. Yes i have used months to get my sec status up. And lately i haven't taken my sec status up at all because, as you know, i'm very bosy nowdays.
I have no memory problems as i remember ALL the rtimes you have lied on here.
And you have had LOADS of time to play on sissi so you could have got your sec status up easily, you just like safe play on easy mode sissi...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX Dude your not convincing ANYONE here that the Abaddon is any good as you post now
Considering this is about blasters and blaster ships i do not need to, although you needing to pimp a NAVY MEGA just to try and compete with the abaddon did a lot to prove my case...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.12 15:56:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
1. You know that my Setup was the first setup i added to that page?. Yes i had the Navy Mega with that setup maaaaany months before i did put up the web page. Ops, you was wrong AGAIN LOL.
I know no such thing and who cares if it was the first or last you have still had months to use it and get your sec status up.
So i was wrong about nothing especially about you being a liar.
Originally by: NightmareX 2. As you have memory problems. Yes i have used months to get my sec status up. And lately i haven't taken my sec status up at all because, as you know, i'm very bosy nowdays.
I have no memory problems as i remember ALL the rtimes you have lied on here.
And you have had LOADS of time to play on sissi so you could have got your sec status up easily, you just like safe play on easy mode sissi...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX Dude your not convincing ANYONE here that the Abaddon is any good as you post now
Considering this is about blasters and blaster ships i do not need to, although you needing to pimp a NAVY MEGA just to try and compete with the abaddon did a lot to prove my case...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.12 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
1. You know that my Setup was the first setup i added to that page?. Yes i had the Navy Mega with that setup maaaaany months before i did put up the web page. Ops, you was wrong AGAIN LOL.
I know no such thing and who cares if it was the first or last you have still had months to use it and get your sec status up.
So i was wrong about nothing especially about you being a liar.
Originally by: NightmareX 2. As you have memory problems. Yes i have used months to get my sec status up. And lately i haven't taken my sec status up at all because, as you know, i'm very bosy nowdays.
I have no memory problems as i remember ALL the rtimes you have lied on here.
And you have had LOADS of time to play on sissi so you could have got your sec status up easily, you just like safe play on easy mode sissi...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX Dude your not convincing ANYONE here that the Abaddon is any good as you post now
Considering this is about blasters and blaster ships i do not need to, although you needing to pimp a NAVY MEGA just to try and compete with the abaddon did a lot to prove my case...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Getting spanked in public by your own alliance is embarresing![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) |
![Childstar Childstar](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1316863385/portrait?size=64)
Childstar
Minmatar Republic University
|
Posted - 2009.04.12 16:02:00 -
[375]
Originally by: NightmareX
1. You know that my Setup was the first setup i added to that page?. Yes i had the Navy Mega with that setup maaaaany months before i did put up the web page. Ops, you was wrong AGAIN LOL.
I know no such thing and who cares if it was the first or last you have still had months to use it and get your sec status up.
So i was wrong about nothing especially about you being a liar.
Originally by: NightmareX 2. As you have memory problems. Yes i have used months to get my sec status up. And lately i haven't taken my sec status up at all because, as you know, i'm very bosy nowdays.
I have no memory problems as i remember ALL the rtimes you have lied on here.
And you have had LOADS of time to play on sissi so you could have got your sec status up easily, you just like safe play on easy mode sissi...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX Dude your not convincing ANYONE here that the Abaddon is any good as you post now
Considering this is about blasters and blaster ships i do not need to, although you needing to pimp a NAVY MEGA just to try and compete with the abaddon did a lot to prove my case...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Getting spanked in public by your own alliance is embarresing![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) |
![Childstar Childstar](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1316863385/portrait?size=64)
Childstar
Minmatar Republic University
|
Posted - 2009.04.12 16:04:00 -
[376]
Originally by: NightmareX
1. You know that my Setup was the first setup i added to that page?. Yes i had the Navy Mega with that setup maaaaany months before i did put up the web page. Ops, you was wrong AGAIN LOL.
I know no such thing and who cares if it was the first or last you have still had months to use it and get your sec status up.
So i was wrong about nothing especially about you being a liar.
Originally by: NightmareX 2. As you have memory problems. Yes i have used months to get my sec status up. And lately i haven't taken my sec status up at all because, as you know, i'm very bosy nowdays.
I have no memory problems as i remember ALL the rtimes you have lied on here.
And you have had LOADS of time to play on sissi so you could have got your sec status up easily, you just like safe play on easy mode sissi...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX Dude your not convincing ANYONE here that the Abaddon is any good as you post now
Considering this is about blasters and blaster ships i do not need to, although you needing to pimp a NAVY MEGA just to try and compete with the abaddon did a lot to prove my case...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Getting spanked in public by your own alliance is embarresing![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) |
![Childstar Childstar](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1316863385/portrait?size=64)
Childstar
Minmatar Republic University
|
Posted - 2009.04.12 16:10:00 -
[377]
Originally by: NightmareX
1. You know that my Setup was the first setup i added to that page?. Yes i had the Navy Mega with that setup maaaaany months before i did put up the web page. Ops, you was wrong AGAIN LOL.
I know no such thing and who cares if it was the first or last you have still had months to use it and get your sec status up.
So i was wrong about nothing especially about you being a liar.
Originally by: NightmareX 2. As you have memory problems. Yes i have used months to get my sec status up. And lately i haven't taken my sec status up at all because, as you know, i'm very bosy nowdays.
I have no memory problems as i remember ALL the rtimes you have lied on here.
And you have had LOADS of time to play on sissi so you could have got your sec status up easily, you just like safe play on easy mode sissi...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX Dude your not convincing ANYONE here that the Abaddon is any good as you post now
Considering this is about blasters and blaster ships i do not need to, although you needing to pimp a NAVY MEGA just to try and compete with the abaddon did a lot to prove my case...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Getting spanked in public by your own alliance is embarresing![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) |
![Childstar Childstar](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1316863385/portrait?size=64)
Childstar
Minmatar Republic University
|
Posted - 2009.04.12 16:14:00 -
[378]
Originally by: NightmareX
1. You know that my Setup was the first setup i added to that page?. Yes i had the Navy Mega with that setup maaaaany months before i did put up the web page. Ops, you was wrong AGAIN LOL.
I know no such thing and who cares if it was the first or last you have still had months to use it and get your sec status up.
So i was wrong about nothing especially about you being a liar.
Originally by: NightmareX 2. As you have memory problems. Yes i have used months to get my sec status up. And lately i haven't taken my sec status up at all because, as you know, i'm very bosy nowdays.
I have no memory problems as i remember ALL the rtimes you have lied on here.
And you have had LOADS of time to play on sissi so you could have got your sec status up easily, you just like safe play on easy mode sissi...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX Dude your not convincing ANYONE here that the Abaddon is any good as you post now
Considering this is about blasters and blaster ships i do not need to, although you needing to pimp a NAVY MEGA just to try and compete with the abaddon did a lot to prove my case...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Getting spanked in public by your own alliance is embarresing![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) |
![Childstar Childstar](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1316863385/portrait?size=64)
Childstar
Minmatar Republic University
|
Posted - 2009.04.12 16:19:00 -
[379]
Edited by: Childstar on 12/04/2009 16:19:30
Originally by: NightmareX
1. You know that my Setup was the first setup i added to that page?. Yes i had the Navy Mega with that setup maaaaany months before i did put up the web page. Ops, you was wrong AGAIN LOL.
I know no such thing and who cares if it was the first or last you have still had months to use it and get your sec status up.
So i was wrong about nothing especially about you being a liar.
Originally by: NightmareX 2. As you have memory problems. Yes i have used months to get my sec status up. And lately i haven't taken my sec status up at all because, as you know, i'm very bosy nowdays.
I have no memory problems as i remember ALL the times you have lied on here.
And you have had LOADS of time to play on sissi so you could have got your sec status up easily, you just like safe play on easy mode sissi...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX Dude your not convincing ANYONE here that the Abaddon is any good as you post now
Considering this is about blasters and blaster ships i do not need to, although you needing to pimp a NAVY MEGA just to try and compete with the abaddon did a lot to prove my case...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Getting spanked in public by your own alliance is embarresing![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) |
![Childstar Childstar](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1316863385/portrait?size=64)
Childstar
Minmatar Republic University
|
Posted - 2009.04.12 16:21:00 -
[380]
Originally by: NightmareX
1. You know that my Setup was the first setup i added to that page?. Yes i had the Navy Mega with that setup maaaaany months before i did put up the web page. Ops, you was wrong AGAIN LOL.
I know no such thing and who cares if it was the first or last you have still had months to use it and get your sec status up.
So i was wrong about nothing especially about you being a liar.
Originally by: NightmareX 2. As you have memory problems. Yes i have used months to get my sec status up. And lately i haven't taken my sec status up at all because, as you know, i'm very bosy nowdays.
I have no memory problems as i remember ALL the times you have lied on here.
And you have had LOADS of time to play on sissi so you could have got your sec status up easily, you just like safe play on easy mode sissi...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX Dude your not convincing ANYONE here that the Abaddon is any good as you post now
Considering this is about blasters and blaster ships i do not need to, although you needing to pimp a NAVY MEGA just to try and compete with the abaddon did a lot to prove my case...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Getting spanked in public by your own alliance is embarresing![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) |
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![Childstar Childstar](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1316863385/portrait?size=64)
Childstar
Minmatar Republic University
|
Posted - 2009.04.12 16:27:00 -
[381]
Originally by: NightmareX
1. You know that my Setup was the first setup i added to that page?. Yes i had the Navy Mega with that setup maaaaany months before i did put up the web page. Ops, you was wrong AGAIN LOL.
I know no such thing and who cares if it was the first or last you have still had months to use it and get your sec status up.
So i was wrong about nothing especially about you being a liar.
Originally by: NightmareX 2. As you have memory problems. Yes i have used months to get my sec status up. And lately i haven't taken my sec status up at all because, as you know, i'm very bosy nowdays.
I have no memory problems as i remember ALL the times you have lied on here.
And you have had LOADS of time to play on sissi so you could have got your sec status up easily, you just like safe play on easy mode sissi...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX Dude your not convincing ANYONE here that the Abaddon is any good as you post now
Considering this is about blasters and blaster ships i do not need to, although you needing to pimp a NAVY MEGA just to try and compete with the abaddon did a lot to prove my case...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Getting spanked in public by your own alliance is embarresing![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) |
![Childstar Childstar](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1316863385/portrait?size=64)
Childstar
Minmatar Republic University
|
Posted - 2009.04.12 16:29:00 -
[382]
Originally by: NightmareX
1. You know that my Setup was the first setup i added to that page?. Yes i had the Navy Mega with that setup maaaaany months before i did put up the web page. Ops, you was wrong AGAIN LOL.
I know no such thing and who cares if it was the first or last you have still had months to use it and get your sec status up.
So i was wrong about nothing especially about you being a liar.
Originally by: NightmareX 2. As you have memory problems. Yes i have used months to get my sec status up. And lately i haven't taken my sec status up at all because, as you know, i'm very bosy nowdays.
I have no memory problems as i remember ALL the times you have lied on here.
And you have had LOADS of time to play on sissi so you could have got your sec status up easily, you just like safe play on easy mode sissi...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX Dude your not convincing ANYONE here that the Abaddon is any good as you post now
Considering this is about blasters and blaster ships i do not need to, although you needing to pimp a NAVY MEGA just to try and compete with the abaddon did a lot to prove my case...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Getting spanked in public by your own alliance is embarresing![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) |
![Childstar Childstar](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1316863385/portrait?size=64)
Childstar
Minmatar Republic University
|
Posted - 2009.04.12 16:35:00 -
[383]
Originally by: NightmareX
1. You know that my Setup was the first setup i added to that page?. Yes i had the Navy Mega with that setup maaaaany months before i did put up the web page. Ops, you was wrong AGAIN LOL.
I know no such thing and who cares if it was the first or last you have still had months to use it and get your sec status up.
So i was wrong about nothing especially about you being a liar.
Originally by: NightmareX 2. As you have memory problems. Yes i have used months to get my sec status up. And lately i haven't taken my sec status up at all because, as you know, i'm very bosy nowdays.
I have no memory problems as i remember ALL the times you have lied on here.
And you have had LOADS of time to play on sissi so you could have got your sec status up easily, you just like safe play on easy mode sissi...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX Dude your not convincing ANYONE here that the Abaddon is any good as you post now
Considering this is about blasters and blaster ships i do not need to, although you needing to pimp a NAVY MEGA just to try and compete with the abaddon did a lot to prove my case...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Getting spanked in public by your own alliance is embarresing![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) |
![Childstar Childstar](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1316863385/portrait?size=64)
Childstar
Minmatar Republic University
|
Posted - 2009.04.12 16:41:00 -
[384]
Originally by: NightmareX
1. You know that my Setup was the first setup i added to that page?. Yes i had the Navy Mega with that setup maaaaany months before i did put up the web page. Ops, you was wrong AGAIN LOL.
I know no such thing and who cares if it was the first or last you have still had months to use it and get your sec status up.
So i was wrong about nothing especially about you being a liar.
Originally by: NightmareX 2. As you have memory problems. Yes i have used months to get my sec status up. And lately i haven't taken my sec status up at all because, as you know, i'm very bosy nowdays.
I have no memory problems as i remember ALL the times you have lied on here.
And you have had LOADS of time to play on sissi so you could have got your sec status up easily, you just like safe play on easy mode sissi...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX Dude your not convincing ANYONE here that the Abaddon is any good as you post now
Considering this is about blasters and blaster ships i do not need to, although you needing to pimp a NAVY MEGA just to try and compete with the abaddon did a lot to prove my case...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Getting spanked in public by your own alliance is embarresing![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) |
![Childstar Childstar](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1316863385/portrait?size=64)
Childstar
Minmatar Republic University
|
Posted - 2009.04.12 16:46:00 -
[385]
Originally by: NightmareX
1. You know that my Setup was the first setup i added to that page?. Yes i had the Navy Mega with that setup maaaaany months before i did put up the web page. Ops, you was wrong AGAIN LOL.
I know no such thing and who cares if it was the first or last you have still had months to use it and get your sec status up.
So i was wrong about nothing especially about you being a liar.
Originally by: NightmareX 2. As you have memory problems. Yes i have used months to get my sec status up. And lately i haven't taken my sec status up at all because, as you know, i'm very bosy nowdays.
I have no memory problems as i remember ALL the times you have lied on here.
And you have had LOADS of time to play on sissi so you could have got your sec status up easily, you just like safe play on easy mode sissi...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX Dude your not convincing ANYONE here that the Abaddon is any good as you post now
Considering this is about blasters and blaster ships i do not need to, although you needing to pimp a NAVY MEGA just to try and compete with the abaddon did a lot to prove my case...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.12 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
1. You know that my Setup was the first setup i added to that page?. Yes i had the Navy Mega with that setup maaaaany months before i did put up the web page. Ops, you was wrong AGAIN LOL.
I know no such thing and who cares if it was the first or last you have still had months to use it and get your sec status up.
So i was wrong about nothing especially about you being a liar.
Originally by: NightmareX 2. As you have memory problems. Yes i have used months to get my sec status up. And lately i haven't taken my sec status up at all because, as you know, i'm very bosy nowdays.
I have no memory problems as i remember ALL the times you have lied on here.
And you have had LOADS of time to play on sissi so you could have got your sec status up easily, you just like safe play on easy mode sissi...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX Dude your not convincing ANYONE here that the Abaddon is any good as you post now
Considering this is about blasters and blaster ships i do not need to, although you needing to pimp a NAVY MEGA just to try and compete with the abaddon did a lot to prove my case...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.12 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
1. You know that my Setup was the first setup i added to that page?. Yes i had the Navy Mega with that setup maaaaany months before i did put up the web page. Ops, you was wrong AGAIN LOL.
I know no such thing and who cares if it was the first or last you have still had months to use it and get your sec status up.
So i was wrong about nothing especially about you being a liar.
Originally by: NightmareX 2. As you have memory problems. Yes i have used months to get my sec status up. And lately i haven't taken my sec status up at all because, as you know, i'm very bosy nowdays.
I have no memory problems as i remember ALL the times you have lied on here.
And you have had LOADS of time to play on sissi so you could have got your sec status up easily, you just like safe play on easy mode sissi...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: NightmareX Dude your not convincing ANYONE here that the Abaddon is any good as you post now
Considering this is about blasters and blaster ships i do not need to, although you needing to pimp a NAVY MEGA just to try and compete with the abaddon did a lot to prove my case...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.12 17:00:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 12/04/2009 17:01:47
Originally by: Goumindong
This would matter if you could get 200k ex EHP.
The plug and plate RR setup on the phoon is much better than the eanm fit in gang combat because it gives much better over all coverage.
The 200k em resistance the eanm fit gets skews the overall EHP result and makes it look better on EFT but if you look at each resist the plug and plate is much more effective in gang combat where you will be getting hit by ALL damages not just EM.
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Posted - 2009.04.12 20:31:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 12/04/2009 20:35:40
Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: Childstar
Originally by: Goumindong
This would matter if you could get 200k ex EHP.
The plug and plate RR setup on the phoon is much better than the eanm fit in gang combat because it gives much better over all coverage.
The 200k em resistance the eanm fit gets skews the overall EHP result and makes it look better on EFT but if you look at each resist the plug and plate is much more effective in gang combat where you will be getting hit by ALL damages not just EM.
We are still within one page with the numbers that prove your claim wrong. At least have the decency to wait till we're a few pages away to start lying again.
HARDNERS EM: 105k Exp 138k Kin: 156k Therm: 171k
VS
EANM 200,386 Em 113,646 ex 125,986 kin 136,411 therm
RESULT EM : -95k Exp: +25k Kin: +30k The: +35k
The only thing the EANM tanbk is better at is making lasers look bad, in actual combat against multiple dmg types the plug and plate is much BETTER.
Q. What is more likely to be faced in gang combat ?...ONLY EM dmg or ALL 4 dmg types and mostly thermal?.
A. ALL 4 dmg types and mostly thermal.
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Posted - 2009.04.13 09:56:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 13/04/2009 10:02:36
Originally by: Goumindong As explained earlier, only when you're overloading them[Good luck with a 20 second cycle time to get that right] for a very limited amount of time. And only on a single ship.
Its not so limited compared to how long a ship maybe primaried, and wtf are you blathering on about "only on one ship" for we are talking about the available tank for the phoon.
Originally by: Goumindong As for your answer, you do not need to only see EM damage to lose out in the question. So long as there is a smidgen of EM you're going to lose out.
Rubbish its your tank that loses out if theres anything but EM against it the plug and plate does good against EM and great against all the others.
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Posted - 2009.04.13 09:59:00 -
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Originally by: Raxxius Maelstrom
I disagree because when you're looking at explosive damage you're normally looking at EMP from a substandard battleship (by your own opinion) Barrage may be used but still the laser/blaster/railboats are still going to be making up a significant portion of DPS vs explosive.
1. When did i say the phoon was substandard?, its a great RR ship, not only that but the explosive dmg it does would mostly come from its missiles.
2. If the gang is mostly blasters, rail and lasers that is still more thermal and kinetic than EM.
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Posted - 2009.04.13 17:02:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 13/04/2009 17:05:33
Originally by: Goumindong
EM is just as likely a choice as EXP(or a mix) for missile users, remember you still have to go through an enemies shield.
Any missile user that uses EM dmg in gang combat is a fool as the gunnery ships will have stripped any shields of a target long before his missiles arrive....
Try harder.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Originally by: Childstar
Its not so limited compared to how long a ship maybe primaried, and wtf are you blathering on about "only on one ship" for we are talking about the available tank for the phoon.
Originally by: Goumindong
20 seconds is a long time compared to how long a ship might be primaried. If you're primaried for much longer than that[2 minutes], you run into the problem of burning out your low slots.
20 seconds is not so long if you factor lock time and RR although being primaried for 2 mins IS a long time.
Originally by: Childstar Rubbish its your tank that loses out if theres anything but EM against it the plug and plate does good against EM and great against all the others.
Originally by: Goumindong No, run the actual numbers.
I did and the eanm tank is a poor choice for gang combat as the coverage for the most used dmg type (thermal) is considerably lower, along with the fact that kinetic and explosive are also lower.
1. The most used dmg type is low on the eanm fit. 2. Two of the other dmg types are also lower.
Its quite simple really, i know you prefer to use fits when comparing dmg amounts that make lasers look worse than they actually are but as per usual when the facts are posted you fail.
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Posted - 2009.04.13 20:39:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 13/04/2009 20:40:55
Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: Childstar
20 seconds is not so long if you factor lock time
Quick question, do you play this game?
More than you do, did, and in more ways than you have ever done.
The hardeners will be active any way so in the very worst case it will be 20 secs, in most cases shorter, along with the fact they will be getting RR'd.
And last but not least even without overheating they have slightly better resists against 3 dmg types one of them being the most used (thermal).
So if they are in trouble the eanm fit is in even worse trouble.
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Posted - 2009.04.14 09:48:00 -
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Originally by: Goumindong
I see you're not getting it.
You see, there is no way to tell whether or not you're going to be shot when you're being locked. If you're pre-firing your hardeners you risk killing them before they do any good. If you're not then you consigning yourself to the "no advantage" stage for the most important 20 seconds of your EHP(when you're not currently locked for RR)
No advantage works both ways and the hardener fit still has more EHP than the eanm fit on 3 resists.
Originally by: Goumindong Not for this fit(you don't have the CPU)
Wrong again it has plenty.
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Posted - 2009.04.14 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: Goumindong
Originally by: Childstar
Wrong again it has plenty.
Not the last time i looked at it, what are you fitting on the thing?
The full fitting is in this thread, and why not post your fit that does not have enough CPU as proof.....oh thats right you made up the load of crap about fitting requirements cos you had no other argument.....![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.14 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Prez21 Well this thread has clearly gone downhill for the last however many pages, i started reading the thread from about page 56 and its just been childish arguing between and alt who seems to talk alot and mock others expierences with blasters but wont post with his main or show proof that he has any knowledge or expierence flying any ships let alone blaster ships
Well over 2k kills in all forms of pvp iuncluding blaster bs, AND I DID POST IN THIS THREAD WITH MY MAIN.
Originally by: Prez21 and comparing an abaddon vs a mega which realy hasnt got much to do with blasters and isnt realy a fair to compare those two ships anyway.
Both were claimed to be used in RR gangs or even BS gangs and both are readily available to each race, theres no issue with comparing them.
Originally by: Prez21 The megathron is still an awesome blaster ship, either in small gangs or big rr bs gangs yes i know people use rails abit now due to the short range of blasters but that is mostly in 0.0 which is better suited for rails than blasters but saying that blasters are still very common in rr bs fleets.
Blasters are used in empire in station ganks cos its the only thing they are really good for and maybe a bit in low sec although they are not so effective as other bs at that, but this is about their effectiveness and it is not in question they are being used less and less either cos ppl are cross training or cos they are using rails.
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Posted - 2009.04.14 17:54:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 14/04/2009 17:54:24
Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: Childstar
Originally by: Prez21 The megathron is still an awesome blaster ship, either in small gangs or big rr bs gangs yes i know people use rails abit now due to the short range of blasters but that is mostly in 0.0 which is better suited for rails than blasters but saying that blasters are still very common in rr bs fleets.
Blasters are used in empire in station ganks cos its the only thing they are really good for and maybe a bit in low sec although they are not so effective as other bs at that, but this is about their effectiveness and it is not in question they are being used less and less either cos ppl are cross training or cos they are using rails.
Blaster BS'es are used everywhere in low sec and empire.
Those who say they are only used for station ganking is not playing EVE at all tbfh.
Even me that don't PVP much knows that.
Learn to read, i highlighted the bits you ignored in your haste to troll.
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Posted - 2009.04.14 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
Hmm, i have heard that Gallente players are rather going to Minmatar than to Amarr, because getting the status as FOTM noob is not something they want dude.
Most are training amarr but im msure you may find a player or two cross training summat else for their own reasons and i highly doubt it for the one you claim for many of them.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Interesting attempt to change the subject after being proved wrong yet again btw.....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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Posted - 2009.04.14 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: Deadly Serpent For youe own good nightmarex shut up. I'm not the first one to say so and you should listen. You can't let it go but what you don't see is that you're humiliating yourself with every post.
Let this thread die.
More alts to this topic please.
Remember, im a juvinille tool.
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Posted - 2009.04.14 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: Childstar
Originally by: NightmareX
Hmm, i have heard that Gallente players are rather going to Minmatar than to Amarr, because getting the status as FOTM noob is not something they want dude.
Most are training amarr but im msure you may find a player or two cross training summat else for their own reasons and i highly doubt it for the one you claim for many of them.![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Interesting attempt to change the subject after being proved wrong yet again btw.....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Yeah see, they have a REASON to train for something else than Amarr.
It's the same reason as players have a reason to use a Blaster Mega over an Abaddon, simply because for them, the Blaster Mega is much much better ship than the Abaddon is because of their play style.
You have no idea how clueless you actually are and how stupid your arguments are.
This is not about the individual, or the station gankers ect, its about balancing a system with a problem, but all you can see is you and your cluless opinion on the matter.
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Posted - 2009.04.14 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
WORDS WOOOOOOOOOOORDS.
See, you can only whine and troll when you face some facts and how things are dude.
You do not post facts you post lies and clueless points.
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Posted - 2009.04.14 18:32:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 14/04/2009 18:32:14
Originally by: NightmareX
Anyways, as Prez are saying, and as i know he's very experienced in PVP, and as i have most likely been PVPing with him when i was in Tri, i will trust him over anyone else in this topic.
You only say that because his post can be twisted into summat its not, blasters still need fixing and nothing he says has not already been said.
You are so pathetic...like a little lost sheep looking for summat or somebody to follow because you have nothing of your own...![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) NoobmareX spankage |
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Posted - 2009.04.14 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Trader20
Realistic scenarios (except that they're fighting solo )
No need to say anymore than that tbh. NoobmareX spankage |
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Posted - 2009.04.14 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Trader20
Originally by: Childstar
Originally by: Trader20
Realistic scenarios (except that they're fighting solo )
No need to say anymore than that tbh.
Nightmarex is up for it so if u think amarr bs are so good and blaster suck then prove it.
I test on sissi for realistic scenarios on TQ, yours is not... NoobmareX spankage |
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Posted - 2009.04.14 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Trader20
Originally by: Childstar
Nightmarex is up for it so if u think amarr bs are so good and blaster suck then prove it.
I test on sissi for realistic scenarios on TQ, yours is not...
Why aren't they realistic, becasue they're solo?
Yes.
Originally by: Trader20 Your right, noone solos anymore but how else are you gonna see how two ships are balanced, by playing eft and playing the numbers game?
Gang combat, and that is done a lot on TQ already and as has been pointed out in this thread most gallente players are using rails unless its empire ganking where the wardeck system can protect them from unknown entities an scenarios. NoobmareX spankage |
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Posted - 2009.04.14 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Trader20
Originally by: Childstar Edited by: Childstar on 14/04/2009 19:08:57
Originally by: Trader20
Why aren't they realistic, becasue they're solo?
Correct.
Originally by: Trader20 Your right, noone solos anymore but how else are you gonna see how two ships are balanced, by playing eft and playing the numbers game?
Gang combat, and that is done a lot on TQ already and as has been pointed out in this thread most gallente players are using rails unless its empire ganking where the wardeck system can protect them from unknown entities an scenarios.
But the only way to see if two ships are balanced is to put them sided by side. Comeon , I'll be on to watch and make sure everything goes down fair. Nightmare is sittin on tq right now and hes ready. I won't tell anyone who ur ur main is.
I have never denied who my main is in fact i have posted it when asked in other threads, and i have no interest in 1 v 1 BS sissi fights. NoobmareX spankage |
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Posted - 2009.04.14 19:22:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 14/04/2009 19:22:51
Originally by: Trader20
So all that sh*t talking and all that "pwning" u been doing to nightmare and you still won't fight him lol.
I test on sissi for the sort of pvp available to the ships i fly on TQ, IF solo BS 1 v 1 pvp was a valid and reasonably available form of pvp on TQ i would have tested it and be flying the best BS for the job on TQ.
It would not be the mega or the abaddon in that case btw...
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Posted - 2009.04.14 19:35:00 -
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Edited by: Childstar on 14/04/2009 19:37:01
Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: Childstar
Originally by: NightmareX
Well i rather take a real 1 vs 1 fight for more facts about how a ship perform over some numbers.
Get on sisi now, or you are proven to be a liar about the Abaddon.
1 v 1 on Sissi proves nothing, prove me wrong in gang combat on TQ or STFU.
Your numbers proves nothing either.
It only proves numbers.
It doesn't proves how a ship is in a real fight between each others.
My numbers are absolute and undenyable, just like the abaddons longer range and greater tank they cannot be denied.
That is because 1 v 1 does not happen on TQ enough for it to be a valid test, and if it did happen a lot i would not be using a mega or a abaddon for 1 v 1 fighting in the first place. NoobmareX spankage |
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Posted - 2009.04.14 19:39:00 -
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I will NEVER use 1 v 1 BS fights on sissi to give any data concerning gang combat on TQ. NoobmareX spankage |
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Posted - 2009.04.14 19:42:00 -
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Originally by: Trader20
I know theres no more 1v1 on tq but, for testing purposes and to back up your own data you worked so hard to get, just prove to nightmarex and everyone else how gimped blasters are. By declining you are saying that your info is wrong and nightmarex is right.
If you feel that is what not doing 1 v 1 on sissi does then you are as stupid as he is.
Get a 20 vs 20 mixed gang fight together and il reconsider. NoobmareX spankage |
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Posted - 2009.04.14 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 14/04/2009 19:41:39
Originally by: Childstar
I will NEVER use 1 v 1 BS fights on sissi to give any data concerning gang combat on TQ.
LOL, then you can't just compare 2 ships to each others from EFT numbers either, because it's not showing how ships is in real TQ combat.
![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) .
I used EFT to show that the comments "30% more dmg from blasters" comments were totally wrong, and that the mega has a weak and holed tank, these facts are undenyable and DO effect it in gang combat along with its range for high dmg. NoobmareX spankage |
![Childstar Childstar](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1316863385/portrait?size=64)
Childstar
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2009.04.14 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: Childstar
Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 14/04/2009 19:41:39
Originally by: Childstar
I will NEVER use 1 v 1 BS fights on sissi to give any data concerning gang combat on TQ.
LOL, then you can't just compare 2 ships to each others from EFT numbers either, because it's not showing how ships is in real TQ combat.
![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) .
I used EFT to show that the comments "30% more dmg from blasters" comments were totally wrong, and that the mega has a weak and holed tank, these facts are undenyable and DO effect it in gang combat along with its range for high dmg.
EFT still doesn't prove anything on how things are for real on TQ combats tbh.
That is why there are so many blaster BS pilots in this thread agreeing with me and even those who do not fully agree clearly say that blaster BS are very limited. NoobmareX spankage |
![Childstar Childstar](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1316863385/portrait?size=64)
Childstar
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2009.04.14 19:56:00 -
[413]
Originally by: NightmareX
Originally by: Childstar That is why there are so many blaster BS pilots in this thread agreeing with me and even those who do not fully agree clearly say that blaster BS are very limited.
Yeah and all of those others in this topic is all of your 4378967348978439 alts right, like you admitted earlier that you have a butt load of alts .
And that's why i agree with Prez from Tri about how things are. And why i don't agree with your useless EFT numbers. One pilot i know is more worth than 10000000 alts FYI.
Alright, last time i ask, do you want a 1 vs 1 or 10 vs 10 fight on Sisi now, or are you clearly admitting that your lying all the time?.
I really hope you take this fight.
Alot of the blaster pilots in this thread are mains with a lot more kills than you, and a lot of blaster BS experiance.
Il do a 20 vs 20 mixed gang BS fight, RR or not.
And you are the one who lies a lot, theres plenty of examples of it in this thread. NoobmareX spankage |
![Childstar Childstar](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1316863385/portrait?size=64)
Childstar
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2009.04.14 19:58:00 -
[414]
Edited by: Childstar on 14/04/2009 20:00:31
Originally by: Kane Starkiller why is the mega being compared to the abaddon? abaddon is a tier 3, therefore it's gallatine counterpart is the hyperion. do you guys even play this game at all?
So if you are flying on TQ you are immune to a abaddon if your in a tier 2 ships?.
But hey if you wanna fit out a hyperion for passive tank RR (the most popular BS fit) go ahead we can compare that to the abaddon if you like...
Its about available ships pal, tiers mean nothing.
Unless you think that the apoc should not be allowed to be compared as a sniper cos of the rokh................. NoobmareX spankage |
![Childstar Childstar](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1316863385/portrait?size=64)
Childstar
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2009.04.14 20:04:00 -
[415]
Originally by: Trader20
Valid test? Testing your numbers you have been giving us the last 60 pages is not valid because......?
Gang combat is not anything like 1 v 1.
What part of that do you not understand?.....am i not saying it right or summat?
What if i fit out a pimped neut or nos domi and use that against the abad or the mega will that mean both lasers and blasters suck?.....1 v 1 means nothing. NoobmareX spankage |
![Childstar Childstar](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1316863385/portrait?size=64)
Childstar
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2009.04.14 20:05:00 -
[416]
Originally by: Trader20
Still waiting on sissi........
Dont hold your breath. NoobmareX spankage |
![Childstar Childstar](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1316863385/portrait?size=64)
Childstar
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2009.04.14 20:11:00 -
[417]
Edited by: Childstar on 14/04/2009 20:16:11
Originally by: Trader20
Originally by: Childstar
Originally by: Trader20
Valid test? Testing your numbers you have been giving us the last 60 pages is not valid because......?
Gang combat is not anything like 1 v 1.
What part of that do you not understand?.....am i not saying it right or summat?
What if i fit out a pimped neut or nos domi and use that against the abad or the mega will that mean both lasers and blasters suck?.....1 v 1 means nothing.
Then your numbers mean nothing because you didn't account for other variables (nos/nuets/td/painter/blobs)
They mean exactly what they did before, they are unchangable the variables they face are.
40K more ehp is 40k more ehp.
Higher resists are higher resists.
And greater rqange is greater range.
None of these stats change because of what a ship may face on TQ, if my gang gets neuted, nos'd, td'd or painted blobbed i still have the same ehp, resists and range. If im in the mega i get less if im in the abaddon i get more, the external things that are faced do not change these things. NoobmareX spankage |
![Childstar Childstar](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1316863385/portrait?size=64)
Childstar
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2009.04.14 20:13:00 -
[418]
Originally by: Trader20
Originally by: Childstar
Originally by: Trader20
Still waiting on sissi........
Dont hold your breath.
Lol, so you're A. Scared B. Not near a computer (your typing on the forums) C. Don't have the time (Should only take 30 min) D. You don't have Test server installed (only take 10 min)
So looks like your just scared
A. Im not scared. B. i am on my pc. C. i do have the time D. i do have sissi installed.
E. i do not waste my time on pointless sissi warrioring i only use it for valid testing.
Answer = E.
But you can believe what you wish. NoobmareX spankage |
![Childstar Childstar](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1316863385/portrait?size=64)
Childstar
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2009.04.14 20:21:00 -
[419]
Originally by: Trader20
So that 50k more ehp, higher resist, and greater range will crush that mega nightmarex is flying so.....why not fight him. Comparing two ships while in a gang is uselesss because the other ships will compensate for the ships abilities (rr, cap transfers, etc). Theres nothing wrong with TESTING ships 1v1 even though it doesn't happen in pvp alot.
WAKE UP.
IT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
Comparing the ships while in gangs is the only valid test because that is how they are used. NoobmareX spankage |
![Childstar Childstar](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1316863385/portrait?size=64)
Childstar
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2009.04.14 20:23:00 -
[420]
Originally by: Traderboz 1v1 SiSi duels prove nothing about balance. It makes a convenient ploy to draw attention away from gang performance and statistics, but it has nothing to do with realistic combat. Why? Because you don't find BS 1v1's on Tranq other than staged duels and the rarest of chance encounters.
If a Mega could win a 1v1, does that mean it's a great RR gang ship? How about this, an active tanked Maelstrom could make a great 1v1 ship to fight against an Abaddon. Does that mean it's a great RR gang ship? Does it mean anything other than it's good at fighting unrealistic 1v1's?
Honestly this is just a sad joke. You claim you don't have the time to play this game with your own alliance, but you do have time to sit on SiSi and throw your epeen around on the forums challenging people to SiSi duels? You don't see absurdity in that? ![Razz](/images/icon_razz.gif)
THIS. NoobmareX spankage |
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![Childstar Childstar](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1316863385/portrait?size=64)
Childstar
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2009.04.14 20:29:00 -
[421]
Originally by: Trader20
Originally by: Traderboz 1v1 SiSi duels prove nothing about balance. It makes a convenient ploy to draw attention away from gang performance and statistics, but it has nothing to do with realistic combat. Why? Because you don't find BS 1v1's on Tranq other than staged duels and the rarest of chance encounters.
If a Mega could win a 1v1, does that mean it's a great RR gang ship? How about this, an active tanked Maelstrom could make a great 1v1 ship to fight against an Abaddon. Does that mean it's a great RR gang ship? Does it mean anything other than it's good at fighting unrealistic 1v1's?
Honestly this is just a sad joke. You claim you don't have the time to play this game with your own alliance, but you do have time to sit on SiSi and throw your epeen around on the forums challenging people to SiSi duels? You don't see absurdity in that? ![Razz](/images/icon_razz.gif)
....hes comparing pulses and blasters in eft for 1v1 so to back up his data you would fight 1v1, I don't care if it doesnt happen on tq, hes comparing 1v1. Now if he wants to start talking about how those ships preform in gangs that different. Also he already turned down a 10vs10, hes obviously afraid or can't fly pat a t1 frig ![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
I did not compare the ships in 1 v 1 i compared them and their stats in gang scenarios, IE: EHP, range, dmg even the cap used by blasters due to approaching MULTIPLE targets....how is that 1 v 1?.
And im willing to take part in gang fighting and i clearly said so.
I suggest you read back. NoobmareX spankage |
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Childstar
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2009.04.14 20:31:00 -
[422]
Edited by: Childstar on 14/04/2009 20:31:23
Originally by: Trader20
Originally by: Traderboz 1v1 SiSi duels prove nothing about balance. It makes a convenient ploy to draw attention away from gang performance and statistics, but it has nothing to do with realistic combat. Why? Because you don't find BS 1v1's on Tranq other than staged duels and the rarest of chance encounters.
If a Mega could win a 1v1, does that mean it's a great RR gang ship? How about this, an active tanked Maelstrom could make a great 1v1 ship to fight against an Abaddon. Does that mean it's a great RR gang ship? Does it mean anything other than it's good at fighting unrealistic 1v1's?
Honestly this is just a sad joke. You claim you don't have the time to play this game with your own alliance, but you do have time to sit on SiSi and throw your epeen around on the forums challenging people to SiSi duels? You don't see absurdity in that? ![Razz](/images/icon_razz.gif)
Nope but I see the absurdity to ppl wimping out to a simple duel ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
Thats because you are the one trying to derail the topic with a pointless 1 v 1 fight in ships that would not be used for 1 v 1 even if BS had such things available on TQ....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) NoobmareX spankage |
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Childstar
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2009.04.14 20:33:00 -
[423]
Originally by: Trader20 Edited by: Trader20 on 14/04/2009 20:31:21
Originally by: Childstar
Originally by: Trader20
Originally by: Traderboz 1v1 SiSi duels prove nothing about balance. It makes a convenient ploy to draw attention away from gang performance and statistics, but it has nothing to do with realistic combat. Why? Because you don't find BS 1v1's on Tranq other than staged duels and the rarest of chance encounters.
If a Mega could win a 1v1, does that mean it's a great RR gang ship? How about this, an active tanked Maelstrom could make a great 1v1 ship to fight against an Abaddon. Does that mean it's a great RR gang ship? Does it mean anything other than it's good at fighting unrealistic 1v1's?
Honestly this is just a sad joke. You claim you don't have the time to play this game with your own alliance, but you do have time to sit on SiSi and throw your epeen around on the forums challenging people to SiSi duels? You don't see absurdity in that? ![Razz](/images/icon_razz.gif)
....hes comparing pulses and blasters in eft for 1v1 so to back up his data you would fight 1v1, I don't care if it doesnt happen on tq, hes comparing 1v1. Now if he wants to start talking about how those ships preform in gangs that different. Also he already turned down a 10vs10, hes obviously afraid or can't fly pat a t1 frig ![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
I did not compare the ships in 1 v 1 i compared them and their stats in gang scenarios, IE: EHP, range, dmg even the cap used by blasters due to approaching MULTIPLE targets....how is that 1 v 1?.
And im willing to take part in gang fighting and i clearly said so.
I suggest you read back.
kk hop on sissi and well get a gang goin
I said id take part im not spending hours trying to get 2 opposing BS gangs together, you want it you set it up and call me when your ready. NoobmareX spankage |
![Childstar Childstar](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1316863385/portrait?size=64)
Childstar
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2009.04.14 20:44:00 -
[424]
Originally by: RustyPwnStar How do we know, that what ever gang ends up on Childstars side, will be fair and above board?
NightmareX spends alot of time on sisi, who's to say he won't have friends in the right places.
Just being a neutral observer here.
Good point tbh.
How about he just logs into TQ and gets in a mega and pvp's with his alliance instead....oooops thats right they use rails....![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif) NoobmareX spankage |
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