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Ivory Kantenu D.F.A. Deep Space Exploration Insane Asylum 19	Posted - 2012.04.27 05:09:00 - [1] - Quote I feel like this guide would be useful for this forum above all else. So here goes. FAQ What exactly is it that you do? I'm a private Wormhole Explorer / Seller. Why would you do this? My EVE Income is made solely on finding vacant Wormholes, and selling them via Forums / Third Party postings. How much money can you make? This is a very complicated question. I'll quickly state here that my highest sale so far has been 2 Billion Isk, and my lowest was around 300 Million. Down below, I'll go over how I price my finds a little better. Wow, sounds like easy money! This is the absolute worst assumption to this type of work. The odds of finding an unoccupied Wormhole are slim. The chances of finding one that might be worth selling? Even smaller. Again, I will go over this below. [] Exploration Abound! What skill set is required for such a job? I started exploring for Wormholes on this character at around the 2 Million Skill point range. However, you can do it much lower marks. Recommended Starter Skills- Cloaking III (Racial) Frigate IV Astrometrics IV Astrometric Pinpointing III Astrometric Acquisition III Astrometric Rangefinding III With these basic skills, you can get yourself in a Tech I Frigate with a basic Probe Launcher and a cloak to use while immobile. You can look into fitting an Expanded Launcher, which I do recommend, however with low SPs, you may run into CPU Troubles. Eventually, you'll want to get yourself to (Racial) Frigate V, and into a Covert Ops Frigate, and Cloaking IV. The ability to warp around while cloaked within a Wormhole is invaluable for such a task. It will also help you avoid detection in case you get pinned in, and give you a small mean of Safety while you find the way out, should you have lost it. [*] Actually Exploring Now! The first thing you need to do, is figure out where you want to go hunting for your Wormholes to sell. Theres a few things to keep in mind. Most Highsec Wormholes are taken. Most of which are also HEAVILY defended, as they experience visitors often. Lowsec Hunting brings Lowsec Risks. Gate camps, smart bombing ships, all hazards that are present in Lowsec will often haunt your search. Nulsec Wormholes are hard sales. Most Alliances living in Nulsec that own Wormholes with Nulsec Statics, have found them themselves. You may get an odd hit on a sale, but unless you find yourself a VERY good system, chances are you'll end with more heartbreak than triumph from attempted sales. [] Verifying the Wormhole is Empty. D-Scan. D-Scan. D-Scan. It is your BEST. FRIEND. for this kind of thing. ALWAYS BOOKMARK THE EXIT BEFORE WARPING OFF. I CANNOT STRESS THIS ENOUGH. ITS A MASSIVE TIME SAVER AND A DAY ONE HABIT TO LEARN. The easiest way to track down towers in a Wormhole, is Combat Scanner Probes. A personal thing I do, is create a scanning filter that shows only Structures, and I start stick hunting. Bookmarking the ones you find is a good idea. However, warping to them, even 100KM off, IS NOT THE GREATEST of ideas. What do I personally recommend? Warp to the planet the Moon is anchored on, and hit your D-Scan. If the words Force Field do NOT show up, congrats, the Stick is dead. You can go about your business of checking other PoSs for signs of life. If the word Force Field even shows up on your D-Scan, get out. Save yourself the potential hassle of getting caught. There is no Local Chat List in Wormholes. Just because you see no one there, doesn't mean anyone is watching. You could warp back to the Wormhole, and hello, there's a bubble. See you at the Medical Facility, champ! [*] My Wormhole is empty!!!!...Now what? Now, here comes the fun part. Pricing your Wormhole for sale. What should you factor into pricing? Static Probables Wormhole Effects Number of Planets / Moons Planetary Interaction Level Class Active Signatures The biggest things that will effect the sale of your Wormhole are Static, Class, and Planetary interaction. To find out these details, I recommend these sites: http://www.staticmapper.com/ http://www.eveplanets.com/ These two sites will tell you everything you need to know in a few punches of the Keyboard. Keeping in mind what I said earlier. Static High Wormholes are usually in high demand. However, most are very much taken, so they are quite hard to come by. Static Lows can be desired, but most starter Corps / Alliances may not be inclined to work the Logistical Headaches of moving Billions of isk of stuff through Lowsec. Static Nuls are very hard sales. Most will never sell. However, it can happen. Class 1-3 Wormholes are the most desired. 4-6 are harder Sales. 5-6 specifically being the hardest. Planetary interaction matters a lot to most Alliances. The more PI goods the Wormhole can produce, the easier the sale can be. Per example: This Wormhole has poor / average PI, and would be somewhat undesirable to most eyes. This Wormhole has relatively good PI. Some T4 Items, as well as the ability for the Corp / Alliance to get the items required to produce their own fuel within the Wormhole. Wormhole Effects will also effect your sales. Pulsar Effects are highly desired, and Wolf Rayarts are generally quite low. Keep this in mind as well. Learn the basics of Wormhole Selling: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101693&find=unread
Ivory Kantenu D.F.A. Deep Space Exploration Insane Asylum 19	Posted - 2012.04.27 05:15:00 - [2] - Quote And now, Pricing. Per example. This Wormhole here has Good PI. It has 5 planets, and 6 moons. However, since it is a Static Nul probable, it's value drops in the eyes of most potential buyers. As an experienced seller, I would expect such a Wormhole to net you in the neighborhood of 300-400M Isk. The general rule of thumb I personally follow is this: Class 1-3 : +100M Static High Probable: +100M Static Low Probable: +100M Static Nul Probable: +50M Poor PI: -100M Average PI: 0 Good - Great PI - +100M / +200M This wormhole, on average, would be around 400-500M Isk. Extra probables in a Wormhole will add to value, such as bridges to other Class # wormholes. Wormhole effects should of course also be factored in. However, these are hard to factor, as one person might have a preference to say Pulsars, and another to Mag. Again. These are just guidelines. There is no set market for such a job. However, it can be highly profitable. And there will be days, weeks at a time where you find NOTHING worth selling. [*] Final Thoughts Again, these are just basic layouts for anyone that may be considering Wormhole selling. When it comes down to the final sale, ALWAYS use a Third Party Broker. Most people will never be dumb enough to give you isk outright for a Wormhole that may collapse on their way to it, or you may just gank them for a laugh. I personally use Taggart , however, there are many other third party services available. Feel free to leave comments and suggestions for changes / additions. Happy hunting! Learn the basics of Wormhole Selling: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101693&find=unread
Joran Jackson The Red Circle Inc. 20	Posted - 2012.04.27 05:52:00 - [3] - Quote Who buys these things? Is there a steady market for actually selling them? I can't imagine people just not caring enough to scan.
Ashimat Reconfiguration Nation Transmission Lost 19	Posted - 2012.04.27 06:06:00 - [4] - Quote Joran Jackson wrote: Who buys these things? Is there a steady market for actually selling them? I can't imagine people just not caring enough to scan. I would probably not ever pay just for a empty WH, but I would imagine that there is a (small) market for specialist orders. Like, "find me a C4 pulsar with a static C2". Or maybe, find me two Starbridge systems ;)
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 121	Posted - 2012.04.27 06:14:00 - [5] - Quote Joran Jackson wrote: Who buys these things? Is there a steady market for actually selling them? I can't imagine people just not caring enough to scan. if i have the choice between searching for an appropriate hole for weeks or just paying a few hundred mil to get one, i just take the latter and let the extra income pay the bill.
discordigant Doomheim 34	Posted - 2012.04.27 06:39:00 - [6] - Quote Yeah i have bought three holes that i have lived in, and all the cost was recouped the day after moving in. Its meaningless and saves the hassle.
Oxandrolone Bite Me inc Exhale. 36	Posted - 2012.04.27 10:40:00 - [7] - Quote interesting read, the other day i came across a totally empty c6 s c5 magnetar that was totally empty, i imagine this would be good for somewon just wanting to cap escalate?
Jack Miton Bite Me inc Exhale. 263	Posted - 2012.04.27 11:13:00 - [8] - Quote People who buy WHs have t be the laziest people in EVE.
Xanista Skadi Imperium 0	Posted - 2012.04.27 11:39:00 - [9] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: People who buy WHs have t be the laziest people in EVE. I wouldn't say so. There are so many variables to wormholes, and people are often looking for specific types of wormholes, with certain statics, with certain effects. Finding that C3 Pulsar with a C4/HS static, unoccupied can take a long time even if you scan it yourself. ... Plus the money you make IN the wormhole is more than enough to cover the costs
Ivory Kantenu D.F.A. Deep Space Exploration Insane Asylum 19	Posted - 2012.04.27 13:23:00 - [10] - Quote Joran Jackson wrote: Who buys these things? Is there a steady market for actually selling them? I can't imagine people just not caring enough to scan. There is a steady buyers market (Check the Want Ads and Trades Forum), however, the sellers market is slim, seeing as, like I said, good unoccupied Wormholes are hard to find. This is not an easy money profession. I've had dry spells weeks at a time. It's quite often that I will actually run into Previous wormholes I've sold / found before in Lowsec. Seems odd, but It's just how the cards fall sometimes. To give you an idea of how far I'm personally willing to go for exploration, this is my map. Keep in mind, this is a 4 month old Character. Learn the basics of Wormhole Selling: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101693&find=unread
Fr00b Snap Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 2	Posted - 2012.04.27 13:37:00 - [11] - Quote Good read, was looking for something like that. But how do you actually sell wormhole? Lets say you found empty hole that you want to sell, so next you write ad on forum etc Meanwhile are you just sitting in this wormhole or create alt for that or a lot of alts to be placeholders for all holes you find? And maybe can you give little bit more info which is good and which is bad PI?
Ivory Kantenu D.F.A. Deep Space Exploration Insane Asylum 19	Posted - 2012.04.27 13:48:00 - [12] - Quote Fr00b Snap wrote: Good read, was looking for something like that. But how do you actually sell wormhole? Lets say you found empty hole that you want to sell, so next you write ad on forum etc Meanwhile are you just sitting in this wormhole or create alt for that or a lot of alts to be placeholders for all holes you find? And maybe can you give little bit more info which is good and which is bad PI? This character sits in the Wormhole and waits for a buyer. I do have a main, however, this alt is my primary source of Income. The most I'll usually wait for is a week to sell the Wormhole. However if it's a really good system, I'll hold out for the sale. Here's what one of my sale threads typically look like. In terms of what is good and bad PI, you have to look at what a system can produce. Any system that produces little T3 Items and no T4 items is considered to be more or less a bad system for PI. Granted, T2 items do sell well, however only in large quantities. Whereas T3 and T4 items sell in high amounts, but require a bit more work to shell out. Again this is all in the eyes of the buyer. Having this basic know how going into it, though, is one of the most valuable things I can provide for you guys. Learn the basics of Wormhole Selling: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101693&find=unread
Invictra Atreides Toward the Terra 90	Posted - 2012.04.27 13:49:00 - [13] - Quote 1-2 years ago I would also say that selling WHs is a fools trade, but today where most WHs(Higsec Static) are taken, it's a good trade. How long would it take to find a C1 with HS static? Paying 500+ mill compared to the time investment is pocket money. Blog \|-áTutorials \| Youtube "I donGÇÖt know everything, I just know what I know."
Sidrun Life sucks then you die Ltd. 19	Posted - 2012.04.27 15:52:00 - [14] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: People who buy WHs have t be the laziest people in EVE. Not wanting to spend possibly weeks, trying to find the right wormhole, is hardly lazy. It's called smart. Think with your brain, not your brawn.
Longinius Spear Double-Down Narwhals Ate My Duck 72	Posted - 2012.04.27 15:56:00 - [15] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: People who buy WHs have t be the laziest people in EVE. not true..just because I don't change my own oil doesn't mean i'm lazy..I have enough money and too little free time to do it myself.. .. some people just have enought money to not want to search for the hole they want, makes finacial sense really.
Stealthgogi Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness 2	Posted - 2012.04.27 16:04:00 - [16] - Quote Free bump for quite a piece of work, Ivory. Nicely done. CEO, VoS Executor and Senior Taggart Broker Taggart WH sales and 3rd party services Forum post Taggart WH sales Ads
Ivory Kantenu D.F.A. Deep Space Exploration Insane Asylum 19	Posted - 2012.04.27 18:39:00 - [17] - Quote Stealthgogi wrote: Free bump for quite a piece of work, Ivory. Nicely done. Thank you, Stealth. It's always a pleasure working with you and your crew. :) Learn the basics of Wormhole Selling: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101693&find=unread
Balcony Jumper Absinthe Solutions Aurora Irae 17	Posted - 2012.04.27 20:51:00 - [18] - Quote Ivory your name looks familiar. Are you the one I shot at in low sec last night? Someone in a cov ops... I wanted to see if I could take them out with torps and the station guns got me real quick.
Ivory Kantenu D.F.A. Deep Space Exploration Insane Asylum 19	Posted - 2012.04.27 21:04:00 - [19] - Quote Balcony Jumper wrote: Ivory your name looks familiar. Are you the one I shot at in low sec last night? Someone in a cov ops... I wanted to see if I could take them out with torps and the station guns got me real quick. Not me. I haven't been running around much until today. I've actually been parked in my Alliance Wormhole for a few weeks. Learn the basics of Wormhole Selling: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101693&find=unread
Arkata Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness 0	Posted - 2012.04.28 01:16:00 - [20] - Quote As a Taggart WH Broker,I've safely facilitated approximately 20B in wormhole sales. This is definitely the goto topic for anyone interested in the business. Fantastic job Ivory!
Tonali Fall-0ut 0	Posted - 2012.04.28 02:15:00 - [21] - Quote +1 WTB Sticky
Drew Atlasxtype Reborn deviants Pinked 0	Posted - 2012.04.29 16:46:00 - [22] - Quote Big thanks to Ivory Kantenu for the wormhole I purchased from you, excellent service, fast and efficient , and also to Taggart for brokering the transaction. Nice one folks thanks. Drew
Ivory Kantenu D.F.A. Deep Space Exploration Insane Asylum 19	Posted - 2012.04.30 17:07:00 - [23] - Quote Drew Atlasxtype wrote: Big thanks to Ivory Kantenu for the wormhole I purchased from you, excellent service, fast and efficient , and also to Taggart for brokering the transaction. Nice one folks thanks. Drew o7 Learn the basics of Wormhole Selling: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101693&find=unread
Scoto Timta EveMerc's 10	Posted - 2012.04.30 18:41:00 - [24] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: People who buy WHs have t be the laziest people in EVE. People who buy minerals instead of mining them so that they are "free" have to be the laziest people in EVE. People who buy ships instead of building them with their "free" minerals have to be the laziest people in EVE. People who buy deadspace and officer's modules instead of running sites have to be the laziest people in EVE. And just a note to the OP... Staticmapper is not your best option for determining the statics. It has a lot of bad/missing information. I use wormnav, which has been 100% accurate so far, and I expect it to continue that way since random people can't edit the entries and screw it up.
WolfeReign The Dead Rabbit Society 11	Posted - 2012.05.01 10:45:00 - [25] - Quote I would Imagine that people would be willing to buy a WH with awesome PI planets some sort of effect and POCO's (that will be transfered) on every planet. other then that I see no reason to except laziness. Its easy enough to take a quick stint into wh space and find a decent system.
Ivory Kantenu D.F.A. Deep Space Exploration Insane Asylum 19	Posted - 2012.05.01 13:31:00 - [26] - Quote WolfeReign wrote: I would Imagine that people would be willing to buy a WH with awesome PI planets some sort of effect and POCO's (that will be transfered) on every planet. other then that I see no reason to except laziness. Its easy enough to take a quick stint into wh space and find a decent system. See: Xanista wrote: Jack Miton wrote: People who buy WHs have t be the laziest people in EVE. I wouldn't say so. There are so many variables to wormholes, and people are often looking for specific types of wormholes, with certain statics, with certain effects. Finding that C3 Pulsar with a C4/HS static, unoccupied can take a long time even if you scan it yourself. ... Plus the money you make IN the wormhole is more than enough to cover the costs And... Sidrun wrote: Jack Miton wrote: People who buy WHs have t be the laziest people in EVE. Not wanting to spend possibly weeks, trying to find the right wormhole, is hardly lazy. It's called smart. Think with your brain, not your brawn. Learn the basics of Wormhole Selling: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101693&find=unread
Radelix Cisko The Adjustment Team 90	Posted - 2012.05.01 19:00:00 - [27] - Quote Jack Miton wrote: People who buy WHs have t be the laziest people in EVE. Confirming that I am pretty damn lazy and got a good deal on my corps hole. Came with packaged POS no less
Knug LiDi N00bFleeT Numquam Ambulare Solus 51	Posted - 2012.05.01 20:58:00 - [28] - Quote I wonder what a C1 with hisec static, average PI, 9 planets, 72 moons, 9 POCOs, and 3 capital ships tossed in would run for ? If only we could fall into a woman's arms without falling into her hands
Ivory Kantenu D.F.A. Deep Space Exploration Insane Asylum 19	Posted - 2012.05.03 03:37:00 - [29] - Quote Knug LiDi wrote: I wonder what a C1 with hisec static, average PI, 9 planets, 72 moons, 9 POCOs, and 3 capital ships tossed in would run for ? Best way to honestly go about it, is factor in the costs of the Pocos, Caps, and what you think a fair base price on the available PI would be. People will haggle with you a bit, so don't be surprised. Learn the basics of Wormhole Selling: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101693&find=unread
Haulie Berry 86	Posted - 2012.05.03 04:01:00 - [30] - Quote Ivory Kantenu wrote: Fr00b Snap wrote: Good read, was looking for something like that. But how do you actually sell wormhole? Lets say you found empty hole that you want to sell, so next you write ad on forum etc Meanwhile are you just sitting in this wormhole or create alt for that or a lot of alts to be placeholders for all holes you find? And maybe can you give little bit more info which is good and which is bad PI? This character sits in the Wormhole and waits for a buyer. I do have a main, however, this alt is my primary source of Income. How do you handle the actual transaction? I sold a wormhole once. It was a one off. We discussed the logistics of the trade, decided the sum was too small to bother with escrow, and he ended up just trusting me with the payment up front. If I were going to make a habit of it, I think I would want a system of some sort.

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