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Hieronimus Rex Minmatar Infinitus Sapientia New Eden Research	Posted - 2009.03.08 18:38:00 - [1] If missions have a better ISK/hour income, on top of having better lowsec opportunities (lowsec mining lol) and being easier to solo?
Ted Nguyen	Posted - 2009.03.08 18:51:00 - [2] I can solo Level 4 mining missions quite easily. I can even kick butt with courier missions. But I'm not sure the pay is as great as you suggest.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.03.08 19:03:00 - [3] Semi-AFK mining is your answer. And the fact the training time needed is quite low for a decent mining char, while the training for a decent combat char is much longer. Also, that mining on multiple accounts scales pretty damned well (I've heard of people who mine on 8 accounts with a little effort only), while mission-running doesn't (good luck controlling more than 2 accounts in missions, you'll need it). _ Create a character \|\| Fit a ship \|\| Get some ISK
Braaage Ministry of Craft	Posted - 2009.03.08 20:42:00 - [4] You're gonna think I'm weird for saying this but I mine for the pleasure and relaxation not the ISK -- POSs, Outposts, Exploration, Mining, Invention, Boosters, EA EVE Database, Character Generator & more
Avalon Champion Gallente Defence Evaluation Research Agency	Posted - 2009.03.08 21:00:00 - [5] Originally by: Braaage You're gonna think I'm weird for saying this but I mine for the pleasure and relaxation not the ISK Not at all, I have to agree mining (especially Ice) is very cathartic, especially after a chaotic week at work.
Dennmoth Ferdier	Posted - 2009.03.08 22:54:00 - [6] Originally by: Akita T I've heard of people who mine on 8 accounts with a little effort only One is waste of time, two is decent money, three gets your hands full, four messes up you efficiency with all 4 and is as good as 3 efficiently managed, fifth as a miner is waste of a good account, sixth is in an orca, seventh is there to protect you from the 5k rats and eight is there only so you can say you mined with 8 accounts. You can't multitask over 3 hulks so that you wouldn't make very close to the same amount mining in the 3 with better focus. The efficiency drops horridly. ------ Heart for isk, Balls for risk.
De'Veldrin Minmatar Special Projects Executive	Posted - 2009.03.08 23:35:00 - [7] I mine because I like to mine. I also make stuff with the minerals I mine, or sell them, depending on what I end up with. (and no, I don't do the I mined it, it's free crap - that's just dumb). I also do missions, though mostly to get a better refining tax rate, and lower my assembly line costs - so for me missioning is more about the standings than the ISK. --Vel There is no right or wrong way. There is only what works and what leaves you waking up in a clone vat.
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.03.08 23:52:00 - [8] Originally by: Dennmoth Ferdier Originally by: Akita T I've heard of people who mine on 8 accounts with a little effort only One is waste of time, two is decent money, three gets your hands full, four messes up you efficiency with all 4 and is as good as 3 efficiently managed, fifth as a miner is waste of a good account, sixth is in an orca, seventh is there to protect you from the 5k rats and eight is there only so you can say you mined with 8 accounts. You can't multitask over 3 hulks so that you wouldn't make very close to the same amount mining in the 3 with better focus. The efficiency drops horridly. Wat? I regularly mine with 4 hulks and an orca and have yet to miss a cycle even though I'm always watching a show or hoaring the forums. Hell I've been know to run a four account gank gang to excellent effect as they all act as one(me:P) instead of 4 individuals trying to coordinate in realtime. You must find a game of checkers taxing then. Yay! Got meh sig back! ♥ Weatherman
cpt Mark	Posted - 2009.03.09 00:03:00 - [9] There is a sense of satisfaction, when you haul all your ore, refine it and maybe make things out of it. - Cpt Mark, miner for 2 hours
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2009.03.09 00:04:00 - [10] Originally by: Dennmoth Ferdier You can't multitask over 3 hulks so that you wouldn't make very close to the same amount mining in the 3 with better focus. The efficiency drops horridly. Only if you're lousy at multi-tasking. I mean, hello, just how much effort/attention do you need to do something that takes 3-5 seconds every 2-3 minutes on separate accounts ? Ok, say 20 seconds every 120 seconds, that's still 6 accounts with little effort. _ Create a character \|\| Fit a ship \|\| Get some ISK
Psi Draconis	Posted - 2009.03.09 00:06:00 - [11] Originally by: Dennmoth Ferdier Originally by: Akita T I've heard of people who mine on 8 accounts with a little effort only One is waste of time, two is decent money, three gets your hands full, four messes up you efficiency with all 4 and is as good as 3 efficiently managed, fifth as a miner is waste of a good account, sixth is in an orca, seventh is there to protect you from the 5k rats and eight is there only so you can say you mined with 8 accounts. You can't multitask over 3 hulks so that you wouldn't make very close to the same amount mining in the 3 with better focus. The efficiency drops horridly. lol.. You really have poor micromanaging skills..
Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2009.03.09 00:15:00 - [12] Originally by: Psi Draconis lol.. You really have poor micromanaging skills.. Maybe he thinks mining with multiple accounts is stacking nerfed. Yay! Got meh sig back! ♥ Weatherman
Dennmoth Ferdier	Posted - 2009.03.09 00:58:00 - [13] Edited by: Dennmoth Ferdier on 09/03/2009 00:59:29 Say what you will, but I have my hands full managing cycles on 2 hulks. I can understand it being easy to have 6 hulks, 3 on two different belts, locking on and mining all the roids and switching when the roid pops, but I'm talking maxing out the yield per second, no empty or partial cycles, and maybe someone can multitask 3 hulks that way, but above that it's just lock and pop, in which case yes, it is quite easy. But I can still make the same amount with 2 hulks as you can with 3. ------ Heart for isk, Balls for risk.
E Prime	Posted - 2009.03.09 08:17:00 - [14] maybe people just like mining more then missioning or do it to help out their corp like i do
Venture Caldari Ganja Unlimited CORE.	Posted - 2009.03.09 10:21:00 - [15] I AFK mine in a hauler because I might be able to log on to Eve but just don't have the time to sit there and do long missions.
Draconyx	Posted - 2009.03.09 13:34:00 - [16] Because it is NOT about the ISK. I mine because I enjoy it, and could care less about missions. It really doesn't get any simpler then that. And the minerals go to good use for corporation projects.
Pwett QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2009.03.09 15:23:00 - [17] Scalability, to be honest. Missions are perfect for two accounts, they can be done with 3 accounts, but after that, the profit per account hour keeps declining. Ore Mining expands with even more characters and even ICE mining has a role with enough accounts. _______________ <Q> QUANT Hegemony A man creates; A parasite asks 'Where is my share?' Item Database
brinelan Caldari Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.03.09 17:45:00 - [18] Originally by: Hieronimus Rex If missions have a better ISK/hour income, on top of having better lowsec opportunities (lowsec mining lol) and being easier to solo? Because not everyone A) wants to min/max and B) some people like playing other parts of the game Some days you're the bug, some days you're the windshield.
Ikserak tai	Posted - 2009.03.09 18:53:00 - [19] When I get burned out flying missions, I get my mining/production alt some time in the saddle. Once you've got an Isk stash, it's not always how much you make per hour. Eve does present different challenges other than locking onto red crosses and pressing F whatever. I like to build my own ships, that way I know the plumbing works and there are no tribbles in the ventilation systems. We all more or less lust for results, Isk is just one result of many to be had. Mining has its own rewards, Isk-wise and mental health wise, to be sure. YOU'VE NEVER ROCKED 'TIL YOU'VE UNDOCKED.
Seragon Caldari VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.03.09 19:07:00 - [20] tbh.... I can mine at work. I can pull down 200 mil a day easy while still getting everything I need done. Ratting or mission running takes a lot more focus than dark glitter or mercoxite. I also am sick in the head and enjoy mining. It's very relaxing for me.
Clair Bear Perkone	Posted - 2009.03.09 21:40:00 - [21] I mine because it's hard to properly trade in Jita while maniacally clicking on rats. Mining fits the "something to do while remotely babysitting orders" bill just fine. And yes, I am a domi jockey and yes, I can completely afk L4s. Mining just works better for afking.
Enthral	Posted - 2009.03.09 21:54:00 - [22] Originally by: Hieronimus Rex If missions have a better ISK/hour income, on top of having better lowsec opportunities (lowsec mining lol) and being easier to solo? Feel free to post a RL picture of yourself so we can dress like you and adapt the same hair style. Not everyone enjoys the same thing as you do. -Enthral
Crudze	Posted - 2009.03.09 22:37:00 - [23] Can you make 2-2.5b in a wk to 1.5 wks running missions?
Rilwar 22nd Black Rise Defensive Unit	Posted - 2009.03.09 23:22:00 - [24] Originally by: Dennmoth Ferdier Originally by: Akita T I've heard of people who mine on 8 accounts with a little effort only One is waste of time, two is decent money, three gets your hands full, four messes up you efficiency with all 4 and is as good as 3 efficiently managed, fifth as a miner is waste of a good account, sixth is in an orca, seventh is there to protect you from the 5k rats and eight is there only so you can say you mined with 8 accounts. You can't multitask over 3 hulks so that you wouldn't make very close to the same amount mining in the 3 with better focus. The efficiency drops horridly. Does tying your shoes fuddle you? Do you constantly find that when you open doors, they hit you in the face? I really, really pray for everyone around you that you do not possess a drivers license, good lord. ---O-H--S-H-I-T---
Dennmoth Ferdier	Posted - 2009.03.10 00:04:00 - [25] Edited by: Dennmoth Ferdier on 10/03/2009 00:04:51 Originally by: Rilwar I really, really pray for everyone around you that you do not possess a drivers license, good lord. That blow found its place. ------ Heart for isk, Balls for risk.
VicturusTeSaluto Metafarmers	Posted - 2009.03.10 00:29:00 - [26] Its easier to afk mine than to afk mission.
Ronha Ottrit Minmatar	Posted - 2009.03.10 00:40:00 - [27] Originally by: Rilwar Originally by: Dennmoth Ferdier Originally by: Akita T I've heard of people who mine on 8 accounts with a little effort only One is waste of time, two is decent money, three gets your hands full, four messes up you efficiency with all 4 and is as good as 3 efficiently managed, fifth as a miner is waste of a good account, sixth is in an orca, seventh is there to protect you from the 5k rats and eight is there only so you can say you mined with 8 accounts. You can't multitask over 3 hulks so that you wouldn't make very close to the same amount mining in the 3 with better focus. The efficiency drops horridly. Does tying your shoes fuddle you? Do you constantly find that when you open doors, they hit you in the face? I really, really pray for everyone around you that you do not possess a drivers license, good lord. I think your being a little hard, a normal person is going to have a hard time managing 8 hulks at the same time.
Seragon Caldari VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2009.03.10 16:51:00 - [28] Originally by: Ronha Ottrit I think your being a little hard, a normal person is going to have a hard time managing 8 hulks at the same time. You can fit two cycles in a hulk's cargo bay with expanders. Over 8 hulks that means you have 40 seconds each to manage jetcans. Very, very, very doable. The orca / rorqual you have picking up the cans is the only one that may be a bit busy. A properly fit hulk can also mine ice for half an hour without emptying. I think for me to be as involved in mining as I am when I pvp, I'd need at least 8 accounts. Planning ahead makes it much less difficult.
Edith Bunker	Posted - 2009.03.10 17:04:00 - [29] I mine (and I use the semi-afk method alot) because I like to build things and have an affect on the market. I can come and go as I please without any restrictions. Mission rewards are fine and all but they are are too restrictive. Once you start you are stuck till you finish and you have the time bonus to worry about or a standings loss if you dont finish. Not to mention those mind numbing multi part missions.
Gabber359 Caldari Gulliver Corp Prismatic Refraction	Posted - 2009.03.10 17:22:00 - [30] Originally by: Ronha Ottrit Originally by: Rilwar Originally by: Dennmoth Ferdier Originally by: Akita T I've heard of people who mine on 8 accounts with a little effort only One is waste of time, two is decent money, three gets your hands full, four messes up you efficiency with all 4 and is as good as 3 efficiently managed, fifth as a miner is waste of a good account, sixth is in an orca, seventh is there to protect you from the 5k rats and eight is there only so you can say you mined with 8 accounts. You can't multitask over 3 hulks so that you wouldn't make very close to the same amount mining in the 3 with better focus. The efficiency drops horridly. Does tying your shoes fuddle you? Do you constantly find that when you open doors, they hit you in the face? I really, really pray for everyone around you that you do not possess a drivers license, good lord. I think your being a little hard, a normal person is going to have a hard time managing 8 hulks at the same time. No, he's being a ****head What gives you the right to bash someone for stating his opinion? What makes you better then the next guy? If you want to refute his claims, start your sentence with "Well, I disagree, because..." and add what you think, not your filthy mouth. It's people like you that make me disgusted with the human race sometimes. We're all playing with internet spaceships, so chill out. I use 3 and that's also my limit, you have to pay attention to all the details out in 0.0 and even in highsec. Roids pop after 1-2 cycles. You also have to micromanage them. Do you really want your strips eating a 50ore roid for 3 minutes? Damn waste if you ask me. Then there's T2 mining drones to consider. So the more accounts you run, the less efficient you will become. The only thing I fear, is running out of beer!

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