That's not something that we're planning on supporting - if they're going to be corp hangars, they really should be corp-restricted

Been years since I played with an orca so doubtless everyone gets to point at me and laugh at my comical lack of knowledge but.....

.... anything preventing barges just jettisoning ore and the orca tractoring in the cans?

we're considering properly revisiting the functionality of these ships and changing it from a "corp hangar" to a "fleet hangar" that's more closely aligned with what the actual use-cases are.

.... anything preventing barges just jettisoning ore and the orca tractoring in the cans?

The issue is likely to be temporary.

There is nothing preventing them from doing that.

However, jet cans can be stolen from and it's a fair bit more work to use jet cans rather than just letting your fleet members drop the ore directly into the orca.

As usual there will be whines and outrage from a small number of people who will generate a disproportionate number of forum posts. Meanwhile, everyone else just adapts and overcomes.

For 6 months, or 5 years like a pos ?
It does not sound like there is any current formal proposal, timeline, assigned resources or a design as yet.

CCP have announced that the bug is not going to be undone

its a fleet ship. The point to fleeting randoms is (a) fun, (b) conversation and (c) getting a pool of contacts, some of whom you may do future business with or invite to corp or whatever, or just to deal with the fact that its 3am and your corpies aren't online.

The whole idea of having half of the function of the fleet ship failing at this point in time, and not even actually having the feature on a development path with a delivery date seems fairly anti-multiplayer on an MMO ?

I would even go further and say the tabs are in fact an important part of fleeting as they allowed my alt to run a capitalist operation where I paid for ore delivered to the hanger - as it was delivered, because I could assign each miner a tab and could essentially privately see who delivered what, and deal with it straight away (toss it in cargo, a spare tab or the ore hold when paid for).

A single fleet hanger is not equal to that task, and will require a further bag type object, or for a clone tab system. Communist ops are good for punishing the best miners (ie the ones that short cycle, pay attention etc) by averaging out their income with lazy miners.

its a fleet ship.

The whole idea of having half of the function of the fleet ship failing at this point in time, and not even actually having the feature on a development path with a delivery date seems fairly anti-multiplayer on an MMO ?

While I can understand your disgust at CCPs inability to effectively test and control changes, this is nothing new and very much part of the EVE experience. To be fair, they are actually getting better, so railing against them now doesn't really serve your needs at all.

It serves mine though

What bothers me is that apparently CCP devs have the green light to make undocumented changes to game functionality completely outside a project plan. As a professional project manager, this boggles the mind.

You do not 'fix' old code that allows unexpected functionality without considering...

a) Is this unplanned functionality used by your user base?
b) Are there negative consequences to this functionality?

I've had employees delete 'unused' columns from database tables in our products, only to have to deal with 2 dozen angry emails from clients complaining that their custom solutions that rely on that database are suddenly broken.

Eve has always promoted novel thinking, and players expand the sandbox in all sorts of unintended ways. When the net result is positive, this is called free content, and you leave it be. When the net result is negative, we call it an exploit, advertise that it is being removed, and then remove it.

You don't just remove it without even doing an assessment, which is clearly what was done here.

Very unprofessional.

While I can understand your disgust at CCPs inability to effectively test and control changes, this is nothing new and very much part of the EVE experience. To be fair, they are actually getting better

Orcas have been bugged and stealth nerfed so that they could not take minerals from non corp members.

CCP have announced that the bug is not going to be undone, actually:





This means:

~Nothing~

And more factors that don't exist.


Result: Nothing

I hardly see this having a HUGE impact. Newbie non-corp miners likely won't have ORCA support anyway. For the small percent of mining ops effected, well, they can just join up in a corp.

so how did you discern anything about orcas from wicks and candlesticks and chicken entrails, i'm confused