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Dr Slaughter Minmatar Rabies Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.09 06:53:00 - [1] So in the UK, your personal information, doctors records, criminal record, even personal information previously protected by acts of parliament (official secrets, etc.) can now be accessed by certain government officers who didn't and probably still don't need that right. Meet the 'Justice Act'.. http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200809/cmbills/009/09009.100-106.html#j22_005 ~~~~ There is no parody in this thread. Honest.
Ratchman	Posted - 2009.03.09 15:08:00 - [2] Arrrgh. Why are bills so **ing difficult to read? I'm a very literate person, and I find these difficult. I can't imagine the people who write them truly understand them, along with all of their little clauses. Mind you, this is why there are so many loopholes. The law shouldn't be in this bastardised and convoluted form of English, but in as simple language as possible. These rights were watered down in the original Data Protection Act. I think this goes a little further (although it's difficult to tell without being fluent in legal bull**), but it has always been the case that the government is exempt from the same data protection rules everyone else has to comply with.
Brea Lafail	Posted - 2009.03.09 15:19:00 - [3] OP hates us for our freedom. In before Ralara.
TimMc Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.03.09 16:50:00 - [4] Originally by: Brea Lafail OP hates us for our freedom. Strange thing is, UK is more free than US. With how much US shouts about it, you would expect other way around.
Irida Mershkov Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.03.09 17:07:00 - [5] Originally by: TimMc Originally by: Brea Lafail OP hates us for our freedom. Strange thing is, UK is more free than US. With how much US shouts about it, you would expect other way around. Lol, surprised at Estonia being first though. That's pretty interesting, I know some hawt ladies from Estonia.
TimMc Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.03.09 17:08:00 - [6] Originally by: Irida Mershkov Lol, surprised at Estonia being first though. That's pretty interesting, I know some hawt ladies from Estonia. Canada and Ireland look like nice run away places for us lazy english speakers.
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.09 17:16:00 - [7] Originally by: TimMc Originally by: Irida Mershkov Lol, surprised at Estonia being first though. That's pretty interesting, I know some hawt ladies from Estonia. Canada and Ireland look like nice run away places for us lazy english speakers. Funny how Australia isn't even listed. Wonder where that would come in the rankings? I know there's a lot more freedom than the UK. -- Originally by: CCP Whisper No it is not an official statement. Not everything surrounded by blue bars is an official statement which can be quoted as fact until the end of time. Deal with it.
TimMc Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.03.09 17:17:00 - [8] Originally by: Dantes Revenge Funny how Australia isn't even listed. Wonder where that would come in the rankings? I know there's a lot more freedom than the UK. Its combination of personal and economic freedoms. UK is extremely liberal with its economic policies.
Irida Mershkov Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.03.09 17:38:00 - [9] Edited by: Irida Mershkov on 09/03/2009 17:38:10 Originally by: TimMc Originally by: Irida Mershkov Lol, surprised at Estonia being first though. That's pretty interesting, I know some hawt ladies from Estonia. Canada and Ireland look like nice run away places for us lazy english speakers. Yeah but Estonian chicks look nicer on paper. On Paper. Although I wouldn't mind visiting Canada, Ireland is alright too. This is now a visiting other countries thread btw.
Dr Slaughter Minmatar Rabies Inc.	Posted - 2009.03.09 17:44:00 - [10] The wording is, I think, deliberately difficult to read. They don't like taking away rights and saying that's exactly what they're doing. With regards freedom, yeah right. If I wanted that I would become a Buddhist monk... although that also precludes Estonian girls for sure ~~~~ There is no parody in this thread. Honest.
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc. Forged Dominion	Posted - 2009.03.09 17:58:00 - [11] From what I can read (preliminary read through) from the bill is it allows for easier and quicker access to data for ministers of departments of the government (including the devolved governments) where it's relevant to that department. I don't see something saying that they don't have to abide by DPA1998 or are allowed to freely distribute the data to insurance companies to to civil servants in that department. Once the governments got a file on you, it's got a file on you.
KingsGambit Caldari Knights	Posted - 2009.03.09 18:13:00 - [12] This topic is indirectly related to the (controversial) ID card scheme being developed/trialled in the UK. Though there are other reasons behind a national identity card system, one of the main ones is centrally accessible information, and despite my personal misgivings about the ID cards, this information sharing is actually brilliant and long overdue IMO. It offers two main benefits really, one to govmt and one to us. For govmt, being able to share information between depts cuts out a LOT of needless bureaucracy, saves time and most importantly, makes it harder to get away with fraud. Like any country with social welfare schemes, there are sadly many who abuse the system, welching off the taxpayer, claiming benefits they shouldn't be entitled to and so on. By sharing this information, frauds won't be able to get away with telling one thing to one dept. and another to the next. For us, it can potentially save a lot of headaches when dealing with local govmts. How many times have you had a conversation along the lines of "But that dept told me to call you because it wasn't something they handled. This is the third time I've been passed around". At present, the left hand of local govmts doesn't know what the right is doing. If it can make life easier, for example when seeking planning permission, discussing benefits or income tax, then it can only be a good thing. Also, if medical records can be accessed centrally, that would be an incredible benefit to hospitals who can bring up a patients history, allergies, religious beliefs and so on, so they know exactly the kind of care they need to provide, whichever hospital you go to. I think the OP is intentionally making the bill out to be a sinister, Orwellian type affair because there hasn't been a UK bashing thread for more than a couple of days. Data Protection will still apply and there's zero chance some low-level clerk will have access to your life history. Information will be shared between depts. that need it, as and when. -------------
Andrest Disch Amarr Letiferi Praedones	Posted - 2009.03.09 18:50:00 - [13] Originally by: Dantes Revenge Funny how Australia isn't even listed. Wonder where that would come in the rankings? I know there's a lot more freedom than the UK. Isn't the Australian government working to create a national internet filter that can't be turned off that filters out illegal stuff? Pretty sure I read that, so not exactly completely "free". =s
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2009.03.09 19:16:00 - [14] Considering that list was made in 2006 im sure alot has changed between then and now. It would be interesting to see what countries make up the top 10 list now and in what slots. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Irida Mershkov Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2009.03.09 20:13:00 - [15] Originally by: Jacob Mei Considering that list was made in 2006 im sure alot has changed between then and now. It would be interesting to see what countries make up the top 10 list now and in what slots. The US would probably be lower. Lulz.
Feilamya Minmatar	Posted - 2009.03.09 20:22:00 - [16] Originally by: Irida Mershkov Originally by: TimMc Originally by: Brea Lafail OP hates us for our freedom. Strange thing is, UK is more free than US. With how much US shouts about it, you would expect other way around. Lol, surprised at Estonia being first though. That's pretty interesting, I know some hawt ladies from Estonia. The simple fact that US is in the list makes me question their methodology.
Elysarian Minmatar dudetruck corp	Posted - 2009.03.09 20:25:00 - [17] Originally by: KingsGambit I think the OP is intentionally making the bill out to be a sinister, Orwellian type affair because there hasn't been a UK bashing thread for more than a couple of days. Data Protection will still apply and there's zero chance some low-level clerk will have access to your life history. Information will be shared between depts. that need it, as and when. Unless someone leaves a CD/laptop/memory stick with a backup of the database on it on a bus/tube/in a taxi that is... ===================================== It smells of spoon! =====================================
Cyonidicus	Posted - 2009.03.09 21:54:00 - [18] Edited by: Cyonidicus on 09/03/2009 21:54:03 In Soviet UK dental records belong to your doctor!
Jacob Mei	Posted - 2009.03.09 23:38:00 - [19] Originally by: Irida Mershkov Originally by: Jacob Mei Considering that list was made in 2006 im sure alot has changed between then and now. It would be interesting to see what countries make up the top 10 list now and in what slots. The US would probably be lower. Lulz. Wouldnt matter to me. I for one intend to become a new overlord. -------------------------------- To borrow a phrase: Players who post are like stars, there are bright ones and those who are dim.
Nuala Reece Caldari Starlancers SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2009.03.10 17:05:00 - [20] Originally by: Dr Slaughter So in the UK, your personal information, doctors records, criminal record, even personal information previously protected by acts of parliament (official secrets, etc.) can now be accessed by certain government officers who didn't and probably still don't need that right. Meet the 'Justice Act'.. http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200809/cmbills/009/09009.100-106.html#j22_005 Meet the Coroners and Justice Bill - it's a small but important difference. An Act is a law, but a bill is only a proposed law and as such the Government do not currently have the power to use the Information Sharing Orders which were tucked away at the end on the bill. The Coroners and Justice Bill had its second reading in the House of Commons at the end of January. Many people had already been alerted to the inclusion of Information Sharing Orders (which would allow agencies to share information otherwise protected by the Data Protection Act) and had contacted their MPs. During the debate numerous MP's from the Tories and Lib Dems rose the issue as a serious attack our rights to privacy if it was to become law, and the Tories noted that while they wouldn't oppose the Bill on its second reading they would on the third (and final) reading if the clause creating Information Sharing Orders was not significantly altered. The Bill has yet to have its third reading and, as I understand it, the Secretary of State for Justice has the job of sorting the thing out. So there's still time to point out to her, through your MP, some of the reasons why they should drop this clause altogether.
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.10 18:29:00 - [21] Originally by: Xen Gin From what I can read (preliminary read through) from the bill is it allows for easier and quicker access to data for ministers of departments of the government (including the devolved governments) where it's relevant to that department. I don't see something saying that they don't have to abide by DPA1998 or are allowed to freely distribute the data to insurance companies to to civil servants in that department. Once the governments got a file on you, it's got a file on you. Hell, why not publically announce they will share the information since they've been sharing it with everyone for so long now, every time they lose a laptop or a load of files with sensitive data on. -- Originally by: CCP Whisper No it is not an official statement. Not everything surrounded by blue bars is an official statement which can be quoted as fact until the end of time. Deal with it.
F'elch	Posted - 2009.03.10 18:54:00 - [22] That's it. I'm moving to ****ing Australia!!!
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc. Forged Dominion	Posted - 2009.03.10 20:35:00 - [23] Originally by: Dantes Revenge Originally by: Xen Gin From what I can read (preliminary read through) from the bill is it allows for easier and quicker access to data for ministers of departments of the government (including the devolved governments) where it's relevant to that department. I don't see something saying that they don't have to abide by DPA1998 or are allowed to freely distribute the data to insurance companies to to civil servants in that department. Once the governments got a file on you, it's got a file on you. Hell, why not publically announce they will share the information since they've been sharing it with everyone for so long now, every time they lose a laptop or a load of files with sensitive data on. Well, there is that, there really, really needs to be a massive overhaul of the transportation of data within the government and civil servants. What does worry me is most of this data seems to be unencrypted or even the cds/laptops/hardrives are simply password protected.
David Kang	Posted - 2009.03.10 21:22:00 - [24] Edited by: David Kang on 10/03/2009 21:27:36 Edited by: David Kang on 10/03/2009 21:24:56 Well I am speechless UK Government Wants To Kill Net Neutrality In EU UK Government Wants To Bypass Data Protection Act This happened within the same week (this week) Btw little Britain.. the Europeans are slightly **ed at us (lol - couldn't of guessed why) Just some nice little quotes for you English guys "it is just one step from here to a fascist regime. every kind of laws that violate magna carta has been implemented. british public did nothing. i cant believe my eyes." "Why exactly did Great Britain fight **? Churchill said some crap about liberties, freedom & stuff like that. (of course he was a racist pig and a cancer-inducing chronic smoker who slept when London burned). Seems **'s ideas won after all. Lets step back a moment and analyze him: 1) He kept saying that the Soviets are a menace and communism must be wiped out. Which became the mantra of UK and USA after WW2. 2) He racially profiled people: USA does the same under Truman, FDR and Bush. UK does it explicitly. Hell churchill was an exponent of freedom for all, but vehemently (and violently) denied the same to British Colonies. 3) He believed in Rule of law (the Reich laws of racism were based on US laws). So does UK and USA. 4) He refused to prosecute the Reich Police and Armed Forces who violated the law. Tasering police and fasle-evidence-planting police and murdering soldiers go scot-free in UK and USA. 5) He always thought that the State was bigger than the Individual. Hell yeah! 6) He was a proponent of tracking the smallest activity of the individual. So does UK. So, it is proven as a theorem that **'s ideals are what UK is following. Looks like he won after all! Wow! Our brave Hurriance pilots, the brave lonely men in Bombers who did not return home, the men who braved Omaha and Gallipoli, and the countless WACs who wept when their men died will all be happy to learn this." "Why is it that every time I read "UK" in a news headline I instantly think "what stupid -like decision did these idiots make this time?"? And why is this sense of forboding always correct?" " off you British tossers. Keep your ing pound and get the out of the Community." "and they try to infect others. that's the way with fascism. it never stays in its box. now, its trying to infect something that is far greater than any of the countries that ever been on earth in terms of its philosophy - Eu. im turkish and seems that i am a future citizen of eu whether i like it or not. but there is one thing i dont like - that ** perpetrated by fascist uk government. i am not going to oblige my country to a union that can be herded by neo fascists. " "UK government has done nothing but blindly follow and copy the worst of USA for the past 10 years, thereby turning itself into a 1984 puritanist state. It's time that they acknowledge tat they are not a part of EU, never will be, and act on it. UK should gtfo from EU and join USA or AU instead." Its time to leave England and get out WHY you can. "Secure" "Watchful EYES" You are living in a fascist state.
KingsGambit Caldari Knights	Posted - 2009.03.10 23:25:00 - [25] Originally by: David Kang Well I am speechless Same here...you must be rusty, taking so long to get to a UK bashing thread. Now we just have to wait for Shanzem or whatever his name is so we can ignore his posts too. -------------
David Kang	Posted - 2009.03.10 23:48:00 - [26] Edited by: David Kang on 10/03/2009 23:49:39 Originally by: KingsGambit Originally by: David Kang Well I am speechless Same here...you must be rusty, taking so long to get to a UK bashing thread. Now we just have to wait for Shanzem or whatever his name is so we can ignore his posts too. Actually I am Shanzem, And I am not bashing the UK Like I said I was speechless the English know better then this I am sure. I've actually grown fond of the English
Xen Gin Universal Mining Inc. Forged Dominion	Posted - 2009.03.10 23:53:00 - [27] Originally by: David Kang Edited by: David Kang on 10/03/2009 23:49:39 Originally by: KingsGambit Originally by: David Kang Well I am speechless Same here...you must be rusty, taking so long to get to a UK bashing thread. Now we just have to wait for Shanzem or whatever his name is so we can ignore his posts too. Actually I am Shanzem, And I am not bashing the UK Like I said I was speechless the English know better then this I am sure. I've actually grown fond of the English You are English.
Super Whopper I can Has Cheeseburger	Posted - 2009.03.11 03:51:00 - [28] Originally by: David Kang Like I said I was speechless the English know better then this I am sure. They know to bleet and moo better. While people in 'Third World Dictatorships' fight for better rights people in our 'First World Democracies' fight for less. As an expat you have more rights in China than you do in your own little backwater country and then people dare claim China is evil. Alexander the Great conquered the great Persian Empire and then became a Persian king. Japan was defeated and yet conquered the world with electronics. Russia defeated Na-zi Germany only for Na-zism to conquer the world (the US did not defeat Germany, Russia did it at Stalingrad). A certain group of whiners were killed in WWII and then went on to massacre at will themselves. History is never written by the victor but by the conquered.
mamolian Cruoris Seraphim	Posted - 2009.03.11 05:03:00 - [29] Hmm semi surprised Ireland ranked so high. Tis not a bad wee place I guess. -----------
Dantes Revenge Caldari	Posted - 2009.03.11 06:32:00 - [30] Originally by: David Kang Edited by: David Kang on 10/03/2009 21:31:32 Edited by: David Kang on 10/03/2009 21:30:59 Well I am speechless UK Government Wants To Kill Net Neutrality In EU UK Government Wants To Bypass Data Protection Act Why am I not surprised? What's left in this country hasn't got the balls to fight back. No good trying to rally defence, the Brits prefer to whine and whinge in private and let it happen all the same. Any government can walk all over them and the people would just allow them to do it, a few verbal protests that wouldn't amount to much at all. Although born in the UK, I was brought up in Asia so I consider myself to be more a Colonial than British. I would fight fiercely for civil liberties but from experience, I'd be standing alone while the rest of the pack runs to hide once the heat starts to rise. I tried it once at work and had all sorts of verbal support only to see it disappear when jobs were at stake. Nobody can think as a team and realise that they can't sack everyone, everyone thinks as an individual and only thinks about their own personal position. It was the basis for my personal quote: "Too much I and not enough WE" The Australians had the most accurate description of Brits. "Whinging Poms". -- Originally by: CCP Whisper No it is not an official statement. Not everything surrounded by blue bars is an official statement which can be quoted as fact until the end of time. Deal with it.

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