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Lord Flatulence Caldari Spack Lords	Posted - 2009.03.09 12:38:00 - [1] Maybe i'm missing something but i cant see why you would ever choose to fit an ECCM Omni module over a single sensor type ECCM module. The Omni boosts all 4 sensor types but since each ship only uses 1 sensor type what use is boosting the other 3? It also costs double the cap use when compared to the single sensor type ECCM module. Am i missing something here?
Cmndr Griff Capitalistic Tendencies Red Dwarf Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.09 12:41:00 - [2] Boosting the other three would lower the chance of a non-racial specific jam hitting home. It might be a Falcon has prioritised another ship of the same race leaving a non-racial jammer for you (unless Caldari as most Falcons will double up in this area).
Lord Flatulence Caldari Spack Lords	Posted - 2009.03.09 12:46:00 - [3] Thats very interesting. A jammer of a different racial type can still jam a ship? I was under the impression that it had to be the same type to have any affect.
Majin82 Caldari The 5th Freedom Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2009.03.09 12:53:00 - [4] It is all chance based. A racial ECM has a higher chance of jamming a ship of that same race because the strength is higher vs that particular ships sensor strength. ------------------------------------- The difference between a Pirate and an Anti-Pirate is that an Anti-Pirate fights ships fitted with guns! Passive Drake For The Win
Walker Bulldog Minmatar VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD	Posted - 2009.03.09 13:19:00 - [5] Originally by: Cmndr Griff Boosting the other three would lower the chance of a non-racial specific jam hitting home. Does not compute. ECCM boosts sensor strength by a percentage. Zero strength boosted by any percentage is still zero.
Gartel Reiman Civis Romanus Sum	Posted - 2009.03.09 13:22:00 - [6] Originally by: Cmndr Griff Boosting the other three would lower the chance of a non-racial specific jam hitting home. That is not true. Let's say you're in a Minmatar ship (ladar sensors) and someone is using a Caldari (gravimetric) jammer against you. The "off-racial" jam might succeed not because it somehow affects your non-existent gravimetric sensors, but rather because all jammers have a ladar component, and this weaker component succeeded against your own sensors. So increasing your gravimetric strength by 80% (from zero, to zero) won't do anything to improve your chances of not being jammed, be it by multispecs, correct racial or off-racial jammers. The only sensor strength that matters is the one that your ship actually has - and since sensor backup arrays don't actually add a backup sensor clustor of a given type, but act just like ECCM, you will only ever have sensors of the usual type for your ship. Thus yes - the OP is right that Omni ECCM offers no advantages over racial-specific ECCM, and you always know what the type of your own sensors are. The only time I can think it might be useful is in terms of logistics; if a corp's manufacturing division wants to get some blueprints researched for ECCM, or wants to transport a massive pile of ECCM for the corp hangar - then you can be sure that Omni ECCM will work just as well on all ships. (But with the low volume of the modules, and the ridiculously cheap prices on meta 4 racial ECCMs in trade hubs, I can't see this ever being an issue in practice).
Miyamoto Uroki Caldari Katsu Corporation	Posted - 2009.03.09 13:23:00 - [7] Useless mod since CCP changed it to percentage boost. The racial eccm mods are the only usefuls. Remote Omni ECCM is another thing, though (if there is such a mod ingame)
Sazkyen	Posted - 2009.03.09 13:29:00 - [8] Edited by: Sazkyen on 09/03/2009 13:29:54 Quote: Thats very interesting. A jammer of a different racial type can still jam a ship? I was under the impression that it had to be the same type to have any affect. I wonder why stuff like this has to be so ambiguous. Guess it would take too much effort to make a proper guide to the game.
Cruthensis Gallente Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2009.03.09 13:41:00 - [9] Edited by: Cruthensis on 09/03/2009 13:44:48 Well, if you want to make yourself super-immune-to-jamming or some such, you could fit a lo-slot backup array, giving you an additional type of sensor strength. The ECCM omni would then boost that type as well as your regular sensor strength. I'm not suggesting that this is necessarily a good idea. Edit: checking them again, I see their strength listed as a percentage. Ugh. So do they, or don't they give your ship a chunk of different sensor type? I thought that was their whole point, being called "backup array". _________________________ The "Lofty" trick is no more. Fleets are BACK! Coming soon to farmer infestation near you: Fleets of the Willing
Lord Flatulence Caldari Spack Lords	Posted - 2009.03.09 14:26:00 - [10] Thanks guys. So since it's only ever your ships racial sensor type that's factored into the "chance to jam" calculation i wonder why the Omni modules exist at all? I can only surmise that they exist from a time when ECM / ECCM worked differently to the way it works today.
TimMc Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.03.09 14:31:00 - [11] Originally by: Walker Bulldog Originally by: Cmndr Griff Boosting the other three would lower the chance of a non-racial specific jam hitting home. Does not compute. ECCM boosts sensor strength by a percentage. Zero strength boosted by any percentage is still zero. This. Only reason omni is useful is for lack of others on market. The racial ECCM use less cap.
TimMc Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2009.03.09 14:34:00 - [12] Originally by: Walker Bulldog Originally by: Cmndr Griff Boosting the other three would lower the chance of a non-racial specific jam hitting home. Does not compute. ECCM boosts sensor strength by a percentage. Zero strength boosted by any percentage is still zero. This. Only reason omni is useful is for lack of others on market. The racial ECCM use less cap.
TraininVain	Posted - 2009.03.09 15:12:00 - [13] Edited by: TraininVain on 09/03/2009 15:13:17 Show Info on a racial jammer. Note that it lists a weaker jam strength for the other three sensor types as well as the stronger jam strength on the sensor type it is made for. So if someone jams you using an off-type racial it's because they got lucky with the weaker jam strength listed for your sensor type. So boosting your sensor strength on the other types doesn't do anything.
Letifer Deus 181st Legion W A S T E L A N D	Posted - 2009.03.09 16:46:00 - [14] Originally by: Cmndr Griff Boosting the other three would lower the chance of a non-racial specific jam hitting home. It might be a Falcon has prioritised another ship of the same race leaving a non-racial jammer for you (unless Caldari as most Falcons will double up in this area). I amazed ther are people that actually believe this. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!"
Cmndr Griff Capitalistic Tendencies Red Dwarf Alliance	Posted - 2009.03.09 17:03:00 - [15] Originally by: Letifer Deus Originally by: Cmndr Griff Boosting the other three would lower the chance of a non-racial specific jam hitting home. It might be a Falcon has prioritised another ship of the same race leaving a non-racial jammer for you (unless Caldari as most Falcons will double up in this area). I amazed ther are people that actually believe this. Yeah that was drivel my bad, it occurred to me when out and I couldn't edit. Note to self, post once tea has been drunk in the morning.

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