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Slade Hoo
Amarr
xPlaguex
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Posted - 2009.03.10 01:02:00 -
[31]
*Thumbs up*
This Topic is very important to Eve's History
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Thernys
Caldari
Dark Force Recon
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Posted - 2009.03.10 01:04:00 -
[32]
It's always a bitter moment to have something nerfed in a patch. Not because CCP decided something needs to change, but because somewhere, a whiner will think he got his way.
If I didn't think sigs are a waste of space, that would be my new one.
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eFart
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Posted - 2009.03.10 01:06:00 -
[33]
 Originally by: Slade Hoo
Originally by: eFart
Originally by: Slade Hoo
Edited by: Slade Hoo on 10/03/2009 00:54:45
ECCCCM Module is obsolete. We just need to get rid of Falcons tbh. They are Sodom and Gomorra in the Eve's lowsec Scene.
if u got probs wit falcons eccm mods r yo frend your either troll or dum
No Module will fix the falcon/rook-situation. If you balance those ships out, they will be a great benefit to EVE's Gameplay. I love Eve and am member for over 4 years and are therefore will act as a soil of EVE's destiny.
u can fit multiple eccm like this
1 by a falcon
2 fit 7 eccm
3 ???
4 profit
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Slade Hoo
Amarr
xPlaguex
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Posted - 2009.03.10 01:06:00 -
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Nothing is less productive than having lots of people saying everything ios alright....
GO ON WITH YOUR RESISTANCE!!! **** FALCONS!!!!
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jade ronin
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Posted - 2009.03.10 01:16:00 -
[35]
Edited by: jade ronin on 10/03/2009 01:16:50
Originally by: Slade Hoo
Nothing is less productive than having lots of people saying everything ios alright....
GO ON WITH YOUR RESISTANCE!!! **** FALCONS!!!!
and yet you still havent said how they are broken just that they are. But gods forbid everyone else disagree with you.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.03.10 01:20:00 -
[36]
Did you find out the name of the Gallente Tier 3 Battleship yet?
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Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2009.03.10 01:21:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Did you find out the name of the Gallente Tier 3 Battleship yet?
isnt that the maelhyperrokhaddon?
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
Exalted.
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Posted - 2009.03.10 01:23:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Did you find out the name of the Gallente Tier 3 Battleship yet?
isnt that the maelhyperrokhaddon?
my, that is one odd looking ship.
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tropic89
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Posted - 2009.03.10 01:24:00 -
[39]
please cry more you whinning little *****.
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Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2009.03.10 01:25:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Originally by: Khlitouris RegusII
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Did you find out the name of the Gallente Tier 3 Battleship yet?
isnt that the maelhyperrokhaddon?
my, that is one odd looking ship.
Yeah but i'd love one.
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Slade Hoo
Amarr
xPlaguex
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Posted - 2009.03.10 01:27:00 -
[41]
You love it?
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Dizeezer Velar
Caldari
League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees
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Posted - 2009.03.10 16:01:00 -
[42]
yea get rid of ecm and delete caldari tbh.
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Max Khaos
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2009.03.10 16:08:00 -
[43]
Complete Rubbish
Counters for a Falcon =
ECCM,
Arazu,
Snipers,
Cerbs,
Interceptors,
Falcons,
etc etc
Nerf Falcons = Dumb and Lazy pilots.
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Spurty
Caldari
Amok.
Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.03.10 16:34:00 -
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this is me laughing at ECCM being considered a counter to a 'chance based module'.
Might as well fit something better in your midslot.
ECCM is a waste of time.
Oh and I fly falcons, so qq more about em. Makes me wanna dust one off.
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Esmenet
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.03.10 16:47:00 -
[45]
Nerf amarr.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.03.10 16:51:00 -
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Nerf idiots who cry for nerfs.
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Haakelen
Gallente
Angels.
Acid.
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Posted - 2009.03.10 16:56:00 -
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Confirming falcons are unbalanced. They are far too front-heavy.
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Kalrasha Cryton
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2009.03.10 17:01:00 -
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My solution for ecm boats against you, 1 have at a min 1 t2 eccm in your mids, espceially if yoru a bs. 2 have someone with a projected t2 eccm they will give you a chance to dis jam the falcons jam strength. It has been proven.
The freedom to do what you want, how you want, and when you want is not given to you, it is earned through tears, blood, sweat, and freindship. Keep your friends close, and your enemy's that much cl |
p1ccard
Caldari
Duty.
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Posted - 2009.03.10 17:18:00 -
[49]
As a falcon pilot I can say, with certainity, that I run away if someone so much as stares at me hard.
The falcon is not out of balance; it has a paper tank, is not effective against drones and doesn't always work. If you want to complain, complain against tracking disruptors (three of them on one BS will make it unable to hit another BS). Also, use Sensor damps against falcons. we hate those.
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p1ccard
Strike Commander
Duty. |
Malin folkungs
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Posted - 2009.03.10 17:32:00 -
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For all you ECCM rtards out there you will still get permajammed with dual overheating ECCMS and 100+ sensor strength. But no worries the falcon is in balance. I'm sure you would all want a pilgrim in your fleet just as much as a falcon.
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Dwain Chambers
Big S Triangle
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Posted - 2009.03.10 17:47:00 -
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Why the falcon is too powerful:
1 falcon + 1 T1 BC of your choice > 5 HACs
Basically falcons are too powerful against small fleets of smaller ships. IMO either they need to increase the sensor strength of small ships and/or add a sig radius factor into ECM. As for people arguing that damps/drones etc make the falcon balanced... if you are a smart falcon pilot and have appropriate bookmarks etc then there is rarely a need to uncloak with anything closer than ~200km making virtually ever counter measure bar ECCM worthless (this is also why the speed nerf made falcons more powerful).
As a disclaimer I fly falcons quite a lot and recognise that a heavy handed nerf could very easily make them worthless again and right now I think that they are pretty balanced against BS and up.
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Arch Miner
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Posted - 2009.03.10 17:52:00 -
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All you have to do is hit a falcon with a civilian gatling and it's toast.
They are not overpowered. They do what their purpose in life is. If they only were marginally ok at it, nobody would fly them.
Besides, if you nerf them, there wont be any caldari pilots left that fly caldari ships....
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GOUSGOUNIS THEOS
Minmatar
Mean Corp
Mean Coalition
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Posted - 2009.03.10 17:52:00 -
[53]
LOL blobs use 20 ships with 10 falcons just to make sure nothing can shoot back. Falcons are kinda over the top compare to all the other ecm ships.
M34N Killboard
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Sun Clausewitz
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Posted - 2009.03.10 17:56:00 -
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You can kill a Falcon with an Ibis. After Burner + 2 Smart Bombs = dead Flacon and lots of lulz
Ibis tank is better than Falcon
Ibis DPS ia ebtter than Falcon
Boost Falcon
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Rafael Tonka
Point of No Return
Blade.
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Posted - 2009.03.10 18:09:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Sun Clausewitz
You can kill a Falcon with an Ibis. After Burner + 2 Smart Bombs = dead Flacon and lots of lulz
Ibis tank is better than Falcon
Ibis DPS ia ebtter than Falcon
Boost Falcon
Would love to see one of hose killmails :)
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Sun Clausewitz
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Posted - 2009.03.10 18:22:00 -
[56]
Edited by: Sun Clausewitz on 10/03/2009 18:21:54
Originally by: Rafael Tonka
Originally by: Sun Clausewitz
You can kill a Falcon with an Ibis. After Burner + 2 Smart Bombs = dead Flacon and lots of lulz
Ibis tank is better than Falcon
Ibis DPS ia ebtter than Falcon
Boost Falcon
Would love to see one of hose killmails :)
Would love to see the kill-mails with all the amazing kills Flacon's score
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Tippia
Raddick Explorations
BlackWater.
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Posted - 2009.03.10 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Max Khaos
Complete Rubbish
Counters for a Falcon =
ECCM,
Arazu,
Snipers,
Cerbs,
Interceptors,
Falcons,
The problem really is that ECCM doesn't change the fact that it's chance-based, so even if it stacks things more in your favour, you won't notice it (can't tell if you're not being jammed because he hasn't activated a module on you or because the ECCM is actually working).
Arazus should be a counter, but aren't since they don't have the range required to reduce the range of a range-fitted Falcon (that's a lot of "range"  )
Snipers, cerbs, interceptors… yup… although interceptors tend to just be jammed too, which leads back to the ECCM problem (can't tell if you're not jammed because he has dedicated one module to the 'ceptor or because he's just not bothered with you at them moment).
Falcons should ideally not be on the falcon-counter list — if a ship is its own counter, then it kills diversity almost by very design. Yes, it works, but other things should work better since it's too easy to just pile on more of the same thing otherwise.
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in =v=…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Sissy Fuzz
Amarr
Sissy Fuzz Communications
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:35:00 -
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Originally by: Slade Hoo
The Falcon is out of balance. Everyone in this Forum will agree to this statement. This is a statement against Falcons in the way it is implemented by CCP right now. We vote againt unbalanced ECM that is used right now in smaller or medium warfare in EVE. Everyone who is against Falcon-Warfare in small engagements shall vote by signing this thread:
Use ECCM. That's the whole idea.
Sissy Fuzz
The cutest n00b evarh
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Chronos VIII
Amarr
Malevolent Evolution
The Church.
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:41:00 -
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I personally don't think that falcons are unbalanced in general, but the fact that you can jam up to 250km is kinda ridiculous tbh.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Dara Cothrom
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Posted - 2009.03.10 20:53:00 -
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If you want falcons "nerfed" then suggest an alternate role and/or ECM mechanism. (Good luck - no-one's succeeded in 5 years)
If you just want ECM brought down to the same range as damps/TDs, then let's add some speed, a drone bay, a secondary EW and remove the need for 3x sig distort amps.
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